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December 15, 2010

Concerns about Touro College of Osteopathic Medicine in Harlem

Below are the twelve concerns that we have received from multiple reliable sources whom we received complaints from especially in light of the stated mission of Touro College of Osteopathic medicine in Harlem: *Touro COM in Harlem has 0 minority chairs of department. *Touro COM in Harlem has 0 dollars dedicated for scholarships for students with financial needs who desire to become physicians. *Touro COM in Harlem has 0 dollars dedicated for recruitment at historically black colleges. *Touro COM in Harlem has 0 hospital rotations in Harlem or communities like Harlem. *Touro COM has 1 minority administrator/director. *Touro COM in Harlem has 1 full time minority faculty or professor on your faculty Particularly disturbing are the following : *Only 1 remaining full time faculty members from an original 13+ remain on staff. The other 12 have resigned or been fired. *In merely two years of existence, Touro COM in Harlem has 2 ACLU complaints regarding discrimination. *Touro COM of Harlem has received >30 accrediting body complaints or concerns regarding academics, the mission, and other concerns regarding the schools operation and overall functioning. We were informed of the following events witnessed by the previous Clinical Dean who resigned: • After being presented high quality minority faculty for consideration, administration officials stated that "the quality of the candidates is secondary to being able to control them." In response to hiring and other concerns presented to white Touro administrators, minority faculty and staff were advised to "(not) rock the boat, and just do what you are told." In fact, to give the impression that significant numbers of minority faculty were being hired, many minority faculty were offered only adjunct positions instead of full time positions and given very limited hours. Adjunct faculty were not reimbursed for mentoring to students, advising students and participating on various educational committees. • Other faculty members and staff have also complained to us that minority faculty members seeking to make recommendations regarding students, the community or the school's educational curriculum were criticized as "not being a team player" and were threatened to "get with the program and join our point of view or else." • Another top official has been reported saying that the school's Director of Admissions, who is a person of color, needs a "collar around him to control him like an animal." Dr. Goldberg has previously boasted that Touro COM has 19% underrepresented minorities in its student body. Touro COM clearly does not have a student body which is reflective of the nearly 90% Black and Hispanic community members of Harlem. The number of Black and Hispanic Students at Touro COM do not appear to be anywhere near its stated 19% of underrepresented minorities. Dr. Ron Davis, past-president of the American Medical Association, stated “The medical profession must have diversity in the physician workforce-equivalent to that in the general population…..attaining equality of opportunity in medicine may seem an audacious goal, but is not optional for the medical profession.” The current treatment of minority faculty at Touro College of Osteopathic Medicine and a paucity of African American students and Hispanic students based on the above is unacceptable in light of its stated mission. With respect to students please also note that admission should not be based on academic achievement alone, but also on the exhibition of the intellectual, personal and social traits considered most desirable in a doctor of medicine. The Empire State Medical Association feels that the student and faculty at Touro College of Osteopathic Medicine in Harlem should be more reflective of the community in which it is situated.


December 15, 2010
Recommendations for Touro College of Osteopathic Medicine in Harlem
Recommendations to Dr. Alan Kadish, President of Touro University regarding concerns of discrimination at Touro and TouroCOM. Touro has successfully created a medical school in Harlem Touro has a person conducting community affairs at TouroCOM. Touro has recruited some minority students at TouroCOM. Touro has had difficulty with retaining black faculty and preventing attrition of black students at TouroCOM and Touro. We have the following recommendations: 1) Appoint a Senior Vice President for Diversity and Assistant Financial Officer at Touro University that reports directly to Dr. Alan Kadish the President. The Colleges and schools including TouroCOM should appoint a Dean of Diversity/Assistant Financial Officer at each of the Touro Colleges/School that report directly the Senior Vice President for Diversity in addition to reporting to their respective Deans. -responsibilities include ensuring adequate recruitment of Black and other underrepresented physician and faculty with higher education experience -Ensure that there is no hostile work environment for minority faculty at all Touro Universities -responsibilities include ensuring adequate recruitment of Black and other underrepresented and students (Goal 40% minority for TouroCOM) -Ensure Financial Aid to students in need to reduce debt burden -Facilitate fundraising for scholarships for students in need -Prevent attrition with pre admission summer program assistance if needed on the front end preferably and or expanding years of training to obtain a degree (more expensive on the back end). -All faculty and students will have direct lines of communication for any reports of discrimination the Dean of Minority Affairs that can report back to Dr. Kadish. -Dean should have a reasonable budget and secretarial, support staff. -The Dean of Minority Affairs should be specific to underrepresented minorities. He should be from underrepresented minority group have input to academic affairs, student affairs, strategic planning both short-term and long-term, and monies for support for retention efforts, for outreach, and as well as for counseling and full access and transparency to review financial records as an assistant financial officer. - The dean should also have an advisory board made up of medical and educational professionals nationally to assist with recruitment of faculty, students, education matriculation of minority students at all Touro University Schools including TouroCOM. -Since Touro currently has little to no minority faculty currently. If students would like mentoring from minority physicians, Touro can contract with the National Medical Association to have students shadow physicians ($100/hour) or the Empire State Medical Association in New York for TouroCOM. - Members of the Empire State Medical Association and National Medical Association can serve on an advisory board to the Dean of Minority Affairs to insure the institution is cognizant of the community and its needs. -The Dean of Minority Affairs should also have credentials that indicate that have worked in the community, have worked in higher education, have worked in a medical school community and has displayed and can demonstrate a sensitive to the underrepresented minorities. This person should have or been instrumental in assisting minority students achieve their goals in higher education. the selection of such a person should be done by a search committee that includes either ESMA personnel, the AAMC group on diversity and inclusion and/or Harlem Community members. The person should report directly to Dr. Kadish and will be on an administrative standing whereby he/she can effect change. If a qualified person cannot be identified, then all efforts should be made to bring all interested parties (Touro College, Touro COM, ESMA/NMA consultants) to the table for a solution that is acceptable by all. -There shall be complete transparency with Job description, budget, advertising and process in identifying and hiring the Dean of Minority Affairs. -Dean will identify all faculty and student discontent and address them. -Dean will develop support systems for at risk students to ensure they matriculate. -There should be full transparency in the search for this Dean. -The presence of this Dean should be a reassurance of the commitment of Touro to Minority Students through all of its Universities, so that underrepresented minorities are not averse to coming to Touro or TouroCom. -Will implement and oversee Grassroots programs to strengthen the pipeline of minority students from elementary, high school and college levels should be encouraged and invested in with true partnerships, recruitment, and retention and nurturing with local inner city neighborhoods at all Touro Universities. -Touro and TouroCOM Admin should have transparency on the search and interview for URM faculty and Dean's. How is the search conducted? -The Dean will be an important person at the table at board meetings both downtown and various Touro Universities including TouroCOM -The Dean must sit on all committees in which student progress and performance are discussed. -Interface with feeder schools that can prepare students -Early admissions at the college level (sophomore year?) for students doing well and maintain a 3.0 GPA and minimal MCAT score. Questions: 1) With respect to faculty how many were interviewed. Where did they recruit? Admissions Office can show this for students why can't the Administration show this for the faculty search? 2) The Admission office has direct statements why URM's do not attend. Does Administration have such paper trails for recruitment of faculty and why faculty have resigned? Concerns: 1)We respect the Jewish tradition at Touro and TouroCOM and we are concerned about respecting the varied religions in Harlem including Christianity and Islam and train physicians whom are culturally competent and reflective of the community. 2) Advertisement should also occur in Black Journals such as NMA and SNMA journals, and historically black colleges for all faculty and student opportunities.

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Lots of information, ranting raving, etc. Don't know about the accuracy, but it sure seems like a wicked first post IMHO.
 
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Formatting would help. It is painful to try to read through what should be a list the way that it is currently formatted. Personally, I can't do it. While the information and points may be valid, the wall of text that you presented is going to kill off the majority of people from reading the post in its entirity. Perhaps you should edit it to present the information in a more readable format.
 
oh lord. someone dug up the empre state letter from two years ago. I have no clue where this 2010 date come from. this letter is from 2008, i read it nearly verbatim two years ago and it was shot full of "factual holes" two years ago.

- correct. we have zero minority chairs of depts. But our "chair" system is set up so that there are only four "chairs" out there (a lot of depts are under the chairs). Thats two white males, one jewish male, and one indian female who are the chairs.
Our dept heads, which includes the chairs are: 3 European White, 3 Orthodox Jewish, 2 Indian, 1 Asian Islander, 2 Black. Keep in mind that we are *also* a jewish school, and that really does get priority over hiring black doctors. Thats just the honest truth. But thats STILL some good diversity considering they consider "orthodox jewish" to be a seperate class from "white". The previous argument against TouroCOM takes advantage of a unusual naming scheme we use for chairs of the dept where chairs head 3/4 departments. Also we used to have a black chair, promoted in 2009, but she was demoted this year in favor of the Indian woman because she was caught not writing her own tests and instead copying online available ones. So that was her punishment. also, we do have other black doctors on staff, they are just not the heads of the depts.

- correct we have zero dollars in need scholarship. You are aware that 1) we are a 4 year old school, we don't have that extra money yet and 2) most schools have zero dollars in need scholarship because the US gov't will give you 100% of your school cost plus a very significant cost of living loan. Medical students are the only citizens who can take advantage of this type of loan. It sort of makes the need for the scholarships (though not paying back the money is nice) rather minimal.

- we prob dont have any money dedicated to recruitment from historically black colleges. Got us there. W recruit in the NYC metro area and California and there are none in those four states that I know of. next issue.

- The assertion that we have zero rotations in Harlem is patently false. Without clarifications. This is such a grave misconstruing of the truth that it makes me ill. Lets get the elephant out of the room first: we had a contract to make north general our university hospital, a big deal for a DO school. Just over two years ago St. George's signed a $100,000,000 contract with NYC HHC which gives them exclusivity rights in all NYC public hospitals and priority for spots over all other schools. Well that is more than enough money to buy out our contract which they did. Add into that: Ross and American University then realized they would be muscled out, so they began purchasing up all the private hospitals in Manhattan. So yea, two years ago we scrambled to find places.

of note: We still have TONS of people doing rotations in manhattan and Harlem, but you need to clarify rotations from core rotations. core rotations are when the school hands you your spot gift wrapped, non-core is you needing to apply. This overseas medical There are 19 hospitals in Manhattan. This is how many still have NYC schools training students in them for cores. Bellvue (NYU), NYU Tisch Hospital (NYU), Mt. Sinai (Einstein), New York Presbyterian (Columbia and Cornell). The other 15(!!!) hospitals of Manhattan are all overseas exclusive for core rotations or unwilling to take on core rotation students as of 2010. Also if you note, the hospitals that were unaffected were all (Except bellvue) NAMED after the medical school they still house.

And i want to address the fact that when selecting hospitals for our new core rotations, we selected hospitals in Far Rockaway, Newark, Elizabeth, and jersey city. Those four (especially 1,2, and 4) would be impossible to tell apart from Harlem from the point of view of what you'd be seeing and the type of community they are. So your assertion that we do not have locations similar to Harlem is patently false. If anything, Harlem includes Columbia's main campus (which is too far south to be served by Presbyterian) which makes some of the area served *very very* affluent.

- we have more than one faculty member who is a minority. This document you are plaigarising is 1) 2 years old and 2) released by the empire association which does not believe that hispanics, native americans, pacific islanders, or caribbean-born blacks are minorities.

-I'm not surprised most of our initial staff is gone. Remember we opened 4 years ago and last year we (Touro) were supposed to an allopathic school in North Jersey. Well we had a full staff hired and contracted for that school as well as the full staff from ours. Add in some new hires (such as our micro, immuno and pharm docs) who are were hired from a third party and we had like 40 doctors competing for 15 positions. We absorbed all the North Jersey staff and basically had "survivor: Harlem" with our doctors where we rated their performance and the best teachers kept their jobs.

I'll address everything else soon, but i have to run now. Seriously though, next time you blindly plaigarise a source, make sure its up to date and that it hasnt already been ripped full of holes for the last two years.

December 15, 2010

Concerns about Touro College of Osteopathic Medicine in Harlem

Below are the twelve concerns that we have received from multiple reliable sources whom we received complaints from especially in light of the stated mission of Touro College of Osteopathic medicine in Harlem: *Touro COM in Harlem has 0 minority chairs of department. *Touro COM in Harlem has 0 dollars dedicated for scholarships for students with financial needs who desire to become physicians. *Touro COM in Harlem has 0 dollars dedicated for recruitment at historically black colleges. *Touro COM in Harlem has 0 hospital rotations in Harlem or communities like Harlem. *Touro COM has 1 minority administrator/director. *Touro COM in Harlem has 1 full time minority faculty or professor on your faculty Particularly disturbing are the following : *Only 1 remaining full time faculty members from an original 13+ remain on staff. The other 12 have resigned or been fired. *In merely two years of existence, Touro COM in Harlem has 2 ACLU complaints regarding discrimination. *Touro COM of Harlem has received >30 accrediting body complaints or concerns regarding academics, the mission, and other concerns regarding the schools operation and overall functioning. We were informed of the following events witnessed by the previous Clinical Dean who resigned: • After being presented high quality minority faculty for consideration, administration officials stated that "the quality of the candidates is secondary to being able to control them." In response to hiring and other concerns presented to white Touro administrators, minority faculty and staff were advised to "(not) rock the boat, and just do what you are told." In fact, to give the impression that significant numbers of minority faculty were being hired, many minority faculty were offered only adjunct positions instead of full time positions and given very limited hours. Adjunct faculty were not reimbursed for mentoring to students, advising students and participating on various educational committees. • Other faculty members and staff have also complained to us that minority faculty members seeking to make recommendations regarding students, the community or the school's educational curriculum were criticized as "not being a team player" and were threatened to "get with the program and join our point of view or else." • Another top official has been reported saying that the school's Director of Admissions, who is a person of color, needs a "collar around him to control him like an animal." Dr. Goldberg has previously boasted that Touro COM has 19% underrepresented minorities in its student body. Touro COM clearly does not have a student body which is reflective of the nearly 90% Black and Hispanic community members of Harlem. The number of Black and Hispanic Students at Touro COM do not appear to be anywhere near its stated 19% of underrepresented minorities. Dr. Ron Davis, past-president of the American Medical Association, stated “The medical profession must have diversity in the physician workforce-equivalent to that in the general population…..attaining equality of opportunity in medicine may seem an audacious goal, but is not optional for the medical profession.” The current treatment of minority faculty at Touro College of Osteopathic Medicine and a paucity of African American students and Hispanic students based on the above is unacceptable in light of its stated mission. With respect to students please also note that admission should not be based on academic achievement alone, but also on the exhibition of the intellectual, personal and social traits considered most desirable in a doctor of medicine. The Empire State Medical Association feels that the student and faculty at Touro College of Osteopathic Medicine in Harlem should be more reflective of the community in which it is situated.


December 15, 2010
Recommendations for Touro College of Osteopathic Medicine in Harlem
Recommendations to Dr. Alan Kadish, President of Touro University regarding concerns of discrimination at Touro and TouroCOM. Touro has successfully created a medical school in Harlem Touro has a person conducting community affairs at TouroCOM. Touro has recruited some minority students at TouroCOM. Touro has had difficulty with retaining black faculty and preventing attrition of black students at TouroCOM and Touro. We have the following recommendations: 1) Appoint a Senior Vice President for Diversity and Assistant Financial Officer at Touro University that reports directly to Dr. Alan Kadish the President. The Colleges and schools including TouroCOM should appoint a Dean of Diversity/Assistant Financial Officer at each of the Touro Colleges/School that report directly the Senior Vice President for Diversity in addition to reporting to their respective Deans. -responsibilities include ensuring adequate recruitment of Black and other underrepresented physician and faculty with higher education experience -Ensure that there is no hostile work environment for minority faculty at all Touro Universities -responsibilities include ensuring adequate recruitment of Black and other underrepresented and students (Goal 40% minority for TouroCOM) -Ensure Financial Aid to students in need to reduce debt burden -Facilitate fundraising for scholarships for students in need -Prevent attrition with pre admission summer program assistance if needed on the front end preferably and or expanding years of training to obtain a degree (more expensive on the back end). -All faculty and students will have direct lines of communication for any reports of discrimination the Dean of Minority Affairs that can report back to Dr. Kadish. -Dean should have a reasonable budget and secretarial, support staff. -The Dean of Minority Affairs should be specific to underrepresented minorities. He should be from underrepresented minority group have input to academic affairs, student affairs, strategic planning both short-term and long-term, and monies for support for retention efforts, for outreach, and as well as for counseling and full access and transparency to review financial records as an assistant financial officer. - The dean should also have an advisory board made up of medical and educational professionals nationally to assist with recruitment of faculty, students, education matriculation of minority students at all Touro University Schools including TouroCOM. -Since Touro currently has little to no minority faculty currently. If students would like mentoring from minority physicians, Touro can contract with the National Medical Association to have students shadow physicians ($100/hour) or the Empire State Medical Association in New York for TouroCOM. - Members of the Empire State Medical Association and National Medical Association can serve on an advisory board to the Dean of Minority Affairs to insure the institution is cognizant of the community and its needs. -The Dean of Minority Affairs should also have credentials that indicate that have worked in the community, have worked in higher education, have worked in a medical school community and has displayed and can demonstrate a sensitive to the underrepresented minorities. This person should have or been instrumental in assisting minority students achieve their goals in higher education. the selection of such a person should be done by a search committee that includes either ESMA personnel, the AAMC group on diversity and inclusion and/or Harlem Community members. The person should report directly to Dr. Kadish and will be on an administrative standing whereby he/she can effect change. If a qualified person cannot be identified, then all efforts should be made to bring all interested parties (Touro College, Touro COM, ESMA/NMA consultants) to the table for a solution that is acceptable by all. -There shall be complete transparency with Job description, budget, advertising and process in identifying and hiring the Dean of Minority Affairs. -Dean will identify all faculty and student discontent and address them. -Dean will develop support systems for at risk students to ensure they matriculate. -There should be full transparency in the search for this Dean. -The presence of this Dean should be a reassurance of the commitment of Touro to Minority Students through all of its Universities, so that underrepresented minorities are not averse to coming to Touro or TouroCom. -Will implement and oversee Grassroots programs to strengthen the pipeline of minority students from elementary, high school and college levels should be encouraged and invested in with true partnerships, recruitment, and retention and nurturing with local inner city neighborhoods at all Touro Universities. -Touro and TouroCOM Admin should have transparency on the search and interview for URM faculty and Dean's. How is the search conducted? -The Dean will be an important person at the table at board meetings both downtown and various Touro Universities including TouroCOM -The Dean must sit on all committees in which student progress and performance are discussed. -Interface with feeder schools that can prepare students -Early admissions at the college level (sophomore year?) for students doing well and maintain a 3.0 GPA and minimal MCAT score. Questions: 1) With respect to faculty how many were interviewed. Where did they recruit? Admissions Office can show this for students why can't the Administration show this for the faculty search? 2) The Admission office has direct statements why URM's do not attend. Does Administration have such paper trails for recruitment of faculty and why faculty have resigned? Concerns: 1)We respect the Jewish tradition at Touro and TouroCOM and we are concerned about respecting the varied religions in Harlem including Christianity and Islam and train physicians whom are culturally competent and reflective of the community. 2) Advertisement should also occur in Black Journals such as NMA and SNMA journals, and historically black colleges for all faculty and student opportunities.
 
picking up where i left off

- I know of one. that one total bull****. A student was robbed of his phone on the streets behind the school (note: we have since changed security protocol thanks to this). and while he was being robbed he decided to fight his robber, recovered his phone and then referred to the robber by a few derogatory racial terms. Well the thief filed suit against the student and the school through the ACLU for that language even while he was being tried for attempted robbery and assault. Now... i dont know what the second one is. I actually suspect that one is probably serious. We have a few people in the administration who have been known to make some off color remarks to other administrators, one of them prob got caught up. But i cant say for certain, cause i dont know

- COCA (the acceditation board) *LOVES* us. I was personally told that we are the most successful school launch they have ever seen and that we are well below average on number of problems needing to be mended. I talked with the people myself, there is no way that your figure is anywhere near accurate. If nothing else, then as of the end of 2009 (when i talked to them) there were no signs of these concerns and complaints.

- hahaha that quote is probably true. I've never met the old clinical dean. he was before my time at the school, but i wouldnt be surprised if one of the old coots who runs touro (big touro. mother company touro) said that. They're all out of their minds.

- more quotes. see above comment. the greater touro family has a lot of ancient crazies and they are veyr involved in the board meetings. Lets get passed the crazies and their nonsensical comments since they dont interact with the school except in these board meetings.

- yes we do have a 19% hispanic and black admission rate. This "concern" is absurd since the national rate of enrollment by these two groups are 13.9%. And while yes there is probably 90% rate of these groups in Harlem, I have *no clue* what the empire association is suggesting we do. Enroll 90% black and hispanic students? Our school purpose isnt to train the harlem community, but to serve it. We're already significantly surpassing what other schools are enrolling from the minority community, I'm sure we can agree that you don't need to be a minority to treat them. This is especially true when you are trained in the area, by people from the area and have clinicals in similarly minority-heavy areas near harlem. The only way you can possibly say we have a "paucity" of minorities is in the perspective of Harlem itself, instead of the perspective of medical schools, which is what it should be in reference to.

- This letter repeatedly blends Touro (big company) and TouroCOM (semi-independant medical school) together in ways that just aren't realistic. Big Touro is a conglomerate of something like 20 undergraduate, graduate, post graduate and vocational schools, of which TouroCOM is largel independent. The repeated blending of the two institutions leads me to believe this letter wasn't even well researched.

I do want to rectify one thing, i previously said the letter was from 2008. its actually from early 2009, but my "two years ago" estimate still holds true since it is effectively early 2011 now.

December 15, 2010

Concerns about Touro College of Osteopathic Medicine in Harlem

...*In merely two years of existence, Touro COM in Harlem has 2 ACLU complaints regarding discrimination. *Touro COM of Harlem has received >30 accrediting body complaints or concerns regarding academics, the mission, and other concerns regarding the schools operation and overall functioning. We were informed of the following events witnessed by the previous Clinical Dean who resigned: • After being presented high quality minority faculty for consideration, administration officials stated that "the quality of the candidates is secondary to being able to control them." In response to hiring and other concerns presented to white Touro administrators, minority faculty and staff were advised to "(not) rock the boat, and just do what you are told." In fact, to give the impression that significant numbers of minority faculty were being hired, many minority faculty were offered only adjunct positions instead of full time positions and given very limited hours. Adjunct faculty were not reimbursed for mentoring to students, advising students and participating on various educational committees. • Other faculty members and staff have also complained to us that minority faculty members seeking to make recommendations regarding students, the community or the school's educational curriculum were criticized as "not being a team player" and were threatened to "get with the program and join our point of view or else." • Another top official has been reported saying that the school's Director of Admissions, who is a person of color, needs a "collar around him to control him like an animal." Dr. Goldberg has previously boasted that Touro COM has 19% underrepresented minorities in its student body. Touro COM clearly does not have a student body which is reflective of the nearly 90% Black and Hispanic community members of Harlem. The number of Black and Hispanic Students at Touro COM do not appear to be anywhere near its stated 19% of underrepresented minorities. Dr. Ron Davis, past-president of the American Medical Association, stated “The medical profession must have diversity in the physician workforce-equivalent to that in the general population…..attaining equality of opportunity in medicine may seem an audacious goal, but is not optional for the medical profession.” The current treatment of minority faculty at Touro College of Osteopathic Medicine and a paucity of African American students and Hispanic students based on the above is unacceptable in light of its stated mission. With respect to students please also note that admission should not be based on academic achievement alone, but also on the exhibition of the intellectual, personal and social traits considered most desirable in a doctor of medicine. The Empire State Medical Association feels that the student and faculty at Touro College of Osteopathic Medicine in Harlem should be more reflective of the community in which it is situated.


December 15, 2010
Recommendations for Touro College of Osteopathic Medicine in Harlem
Recommendations to Dr. Alan Kadish, President of Touro University regarding concerns of discrimination at Touro and TouroCOM. Touro has successfully created a medical school in Harlem Touro has a person conducting community affairs at TouroCOM. Touro has recruited some minority students at TouroCOM. Touro has had difficulty with retaining black faculty and preventing attrition of black students at TouroCOM and Touro. We have the following recommendations: 1) Appoint a Senior Vice President for Diversity and Assistant Financial Officer at Touro University that reports directly to Dr. Alan Kadish the President. The Colleges and schools including TouroCOM should appoint a Dean of Diversity/Assistant Financial Officer at each of the Touro Colleges/School that report directly the Senior Vice President for Diversity in addition to reporting to their respective Deans. -responsibilities include ensuring adequate recruitment of Black and other underrepresented physician and faculty with higher education experience -Ensure that there is no hostile work environment for minority faculty at all Touro Universities -responsibilities include ensuring adequate recruitment of Black and other underrepresented and students (Goal 40% minority for TouroCOM) -Ensure Financial Aid to students in need to reduce debt burden -Facilitate fundraising for scholarships for students in need -Prevent attrition with pre admission summer program assistance if needed on the front end preferably and or expanding years of training to obtain a degree (more expensive on the back end). -All faculty and students will have direct lines of communication for any reports of discrimination the Dean of Minority Affairs that can report back to Dr. Kadish. -Dean should have a reasonable budget and secretarial, support staff. -The Dean of Minority Affairs should be specific to underrepresented minorities. He should be from underrepresented minority group have input to academic affairs, student affairs, strategic planning both short-term and long-term, and monies for support for retention efforts, for outreach, and as well as for counseling and full access and transparency to review financial records as an assistant financial officer. - The dean should also have an advisory board made up of medical and educational professionals nationally to assist with recruitment of faculty, students, education matriculation of minority students at all Touro University Schools including TouroCOM. -Since Touro currently has little to no minority faculty currently. If students would like mentoring from minority physicians, Touro can contract with the National Medical Association to have students shadow physicians ($100/hour) or the Empire State Medical Association in New York for TouroCOM. - Members of the Empire State Medical Association and National Medical Association can serve on an advisory board to the Dean of Minority Affairs to insure the institution is cognizant of the community and its needs. -The Dean of Minority Affairs should also have credentials that indicate that have worked in the community, have worked in higher education, have worked in a medical school community and has displayed and can demonstrate a sensitive to the underrepresented minorities. This person should have or been instrumental in assisting minority students achieve their goals in higher education. the selection of such a person should be done by a search committee that includes either ESMA personnel, the AAMC group on diversity and inclusion and/or Harlem Community members. The person should report directly to Dr. Kadish and will be on an administrative standing whereby he/she can effect change. If a qualified person cannot be identified, then all efforts should be made to bring all interested parties (Touro College, Touro COM, ESMA/NMA consultants) to the table for a solution that is acceptable by all. -There shall be complete transparency with Job description, budget, advertising and process in identifying and hiring the Dean of Minority Affairs. -Dean will identify all faculty and student discontent and address them. -Dean will develop support systems for at risk students to ensure they matriculate. -There should be full transparency in the search for this Dean. -The presence of this Dean should be a reassurance of the commitment of Touro to Minority Students through all of its Universities, so that underrepresented minorities are not averse to coming to Touro or TouroCom. -Will implement and oversee Grassroots programs to strengthen the pipeline of minority students from elementary, high school and college levels should be encouraged and invested in with true partnerships, recruitment, and retention and nurturing with local inner city neighborhoods at all Touro Universities. -Touro and TouroCOM Admin should have transparency on the search and interview for URM faculty and Dean's. How is the search conducted? -The Dean will be an important person at the table at board meetings both downtown and various Touro Universities including TouroCOM -The Dean must sit on all committees in which student progress and performance are discussed. -Interface with feeder schools that can prepare students -Early admissions at the college level (sophomore year?) for students doing well and maintain a 3.0 GPA and minimal MCAT score. Questions: 1) With respect to faculty how many were interviewed. Where did they recruit? Admissions Office can show this for students why can't the Administration show this for the faculty search? 2) The Admission office has direct statements why URM's do not attend. Does Administration have such paper trails for recruitment of faculty and why faculty have resigned? Concerns: 1)We respect the Jewish tradition at Touro and TouroCOM and we are concerned about respecting the varied religions in Harlem including Christianity and Islam and train physicians whom are culturally competent and reflective of the community. 2) Advertisement should also occur in Black Journals such as NMA and SNMA journals, and historically black colleges for all faculty and student opportunities.
 
I haven't explored NY much ... why is this dumb?

not a clue. OMT/OMM is a hugely profitable business that is especially profitable in a major area like manhattan where you can establish yourself and then work 'cash only'.

so.... from a business point of view, manhattan is a great place for an DO school.

maybe he's referring to how many schools are jam packed in to NYC? idk. the comment makes no sense to me.
 
not a clue. OMT/OMM is a hugely profitable business that is especially profitable in a major area like manhattan where you can establish yourself and then work 'cash only'.

This is correct, if you are fortunate enough to attract a clientele like this. You aren't likely to be able to do this right out of school, though.

so.... from a business point of view, manhattan is a great place for an DO school.

This, not so much. Just because its great for DOs doesn't mean it's great for a DO school. This is because...

maybe he's referring to how many schools are jam packed in to NYC?

Correct. Manhattan is a terrible place to start a freestanding medical school without its own university hospital. All of the large university hospitals in Manhattan have strong affiliations with the established MD programs, some of which happen to be among the best medical schools in America. Most of the hospitals that are left in Manhattan and the Bronx are part of the HHC system. St. George's has already staked their claim with the HHC, as you pointed out, with their contract. So the hospitals that are left are the FMG factories that are really not suitable for good clerkships.

In my opinion the establishment of TouroCOM Manhattan was a mistake, a view that many of my colleagues who are aware of the existence of the school agree with. Having the school in Harlem might be great for public relations but must be a campus safety nightmare. And the fact that the students have to do their core rotations outside of Manhattan is pathetic. Being able to do 4th year rotations in NYC is not really that big of a deal - students from all over America did that all the time when I was a student. And at least NYCOM had strong affiliations on Long Island, Queens, and Brooklyn for their clerkships (although even those may be endangered by the Hofstra-North Shore LIJ school being established).

This is part of the unfortunate trend of the AOA and COCA recklessly creating new schools without regard for quality of clinical education in their goal to increase the number of DOs.
 
Correct. Manhattan is a terrible place to start a freestanding medical school without its own university hospital. All of the large university hospitals in Manhattan have strong affiliations with the established MD programs, some of which happen to be among the best medical schools in America. Most of the hospitals that are left in Manhattan and the Bronx are part of the HHC system. St. George's has already staked their claim with the HHC, as you pointed out, with their contract. So the hospitals that are left are the FMG factories that are really not suitable for good clerkships.

In my opinion the establishment of TouroCOM Manhattan was a mistake, a view that many of my colleagues who are aware of the existence of the school agree with. Having the school in Harlem might be great for public relations but must be a campus safety nightmare. And the fact that the students have to do their core rotations outside of Manhattan is pathetic. Being able to do 4th year rotations in NYC is not really that big of a deal - students from all over America did that all the time when I was a student. And at least NYCOM had strong affiliations on Long Island, Queens, and Brooklyn for their clerkships (although even those may be endangered by the Hofstra-North Shore LIJ school being established).

This is part of the unfortunate trend of the AOA and COCA recklessly creating new schools without regard for quality of clinical education in their goal to increase the number of DOs.

Thank you for clarifying ... I also agree (unfortunately) with your last statement.
 
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Campus safety certainly isn't a nightmare. Most people have an image of Harlem in their head that is reminiscent of the problems the neighborhood dealt with in the 1980's and to some extent the '90's.


And I'm not sure how our core rotations in Jersey, Staten Island, and Queens are any different from those held by NYCOM in similar areas.
Are you familiar with the city? I'm sitting in Manhattan right now and I could be at Palisades in less than 10 minutes.
 
Campus safety certainly isn't a nightmare. Most people have an image of Harlem in their head that is reminiscent of the problems the neighborhood dealt with in the 1980's and to some extent the '90's.

Relatively speaking, Harlem has improved. Crime rates in NYC improved dramatically in the 90s, including Harlem. That doesn't mean that in an absolute sense it is a safe neighborhood.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/new-york-city/1130246-truth-about-harlem-2010-a.html

And, more to the point, what is the reason for putting the school there in the first place? While Down State, for example, certainly isn't in a great neighborhood by any stretch of the imagination, this is mitigated by the fact that they have tremendous university hospitals there that their students benefit from.

And I'm not sure how our core rotations in Jersey, Staten Island, and Queens are any different from those held by NYCOM in similar areas.
Are you familiar with the city? I'm sitting in Manhattan right now and I could be at Palisades in less than 10 minutes.

The issue isn't that you are 10 minutes from Palisades. The issue is that you are 10 minutes ...from Palisades. What is great about doing core rotations in a 200 bed community hospital without any residency programs/structured GME? Especially when your medical school is located in a place with some of the best hospitals in America?

NYCOM had great clinical affiliates when I was a student. We had the option of going to North Shore Manhasset, considered to be one of the best hospitals in NY. We had Maimonides in Brooklyn, also a tremendous place to learn. Even NUMC was great for seeing lots of pathology and getting hands on experience. A lot is changing on Long Island with the advent of the Hofstra medical school, so I suspect the quality of NYCOM's clinical sites may decline in the next few years.

(Yes, I know Manhattan)
 
Relatively speaking, Harlem has improved. Crime rates in NYC improved dramatically in the 90s, including Harlem. That doesn't mean that in an absolute sense it is a safe neighborhood.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/new-york-city/1130246-truth-about-harlem-2010-a.html

And, more to the point, what is the reason for putting the school there in the first place? While Down State, for example, certainly isn't in a great neighborhood by any stretch of the imagination, this is mitigated by the fact that they have tremendous university hospitals there that their students benefit from.



The issue isn't that you are 10 minutes from Palisades. The issue is that you are 10 minutes ...from Palisades. What is great about doing core rotations in a 200 bed community hospital without any residency programs/structured GME? Especially when your medical school is located in a place with some of the best hospitals in America?

NYCOM had great clinical affiliates when I was a student. We had the option of going to North Shore Manhasset, considered to be one of the best hospitals in NY. We had Maimonides in Brooklyn, also a tremendous place to learn. Even NUMC was great for seeing lots of pathology and getting hands on experience. A lot is changing on Long Island with the advent of the Hofstra medical school, so I suspect the quality of NYCOM's clinical sites may decline in the next few years.

(Yes, I know Manhattan)

oy. your linked article abuses and misrepresents facts then links to the correct information just assuming no one will read the info graphic. The infographic shows that harlem in 2009 is 2.9x safer than midtown in 1990. Thats a pretty damn massive change. Specifically the violent crime rate in the Harlem distict touro in 1990 was 750% higher than it is now. The area just north of touro that was listed as one of the worst? 5150% higher in 1990. Thats right. And its not a typo. 51.5x higher. It created its argument by not putting a single stat in perspective of the rest of america, nor did it properly quote some stats. At certain points it blended the violent crime stat with the 'stop and search' stat, which have nothing to do with each other. But creative wording of their argument let them utilize the two stats.

and he references only east harlem. East harlem is nowhere near the school and there is no good reason to ever step foot in east harlem. For that matter, none of the places referenced in the article you list are the district any Touro student would ever have to go to for education or traveling to the subway. But lets say you wanted to go to east harlem. Sure. Lets list some places where the *entire* city has a higher violent crime rate than east harlem:
Boston, Oklahoma City, Milwaulkee and Minneapolis, Toledo, Tulsa, Nashville, Miami, Indianapolis, Philly, Cleveland, Buffalo. There are a whole bunch more, but i think my point has been made there.

The rest of the stuff you addressed has validity. Ill let others argue how much. But i couldnt let a link to a ridiculously incorrect article stay unchallenged.
 
I also want to make this clear that Harlem is not Brick, New Jersey (which was, at least a few years ago, the safest city in america.). No one should be convinced that it is. But its also an area that is split between 'average manahattan safeness' on the middle and west, and 'more dangerous than the norm' on the east. BUT is still way way way below the crime rate of even the good areas of most major cities. Keep in mind that east harlem is not that much more dangerous than midtown, statistically, and NYC is the third safest major city in america behind San Diego and Austin.
 
I am a current TouroCOM-NY student. 60% of what DocEspana said is incorrect. I'm not getting into a battle of words over this. Everyone should do their own research. But I know for a fact that most of what s/he said is incorrect.
 
I am a current TouroCOM-NY student. 60% of what DocEspana said is incorrect. I'm not getting into a battle of words over this. Everyone should do their own research. But I know for a fact that most of what s/he said is incorrect.

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I am a current TouroCOM-NY student. 60% of what DocEspana said is incorrect. I'm not getting into a battle of words over this. Everyone should do their own research. But I know for a fact that most of what s/he said is incorrect.

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Which post are you talking about? The one that is almost 3 years old and likely in need of an update, or the one that is backed up with sources from NYC crime databases that I referenced directly?

Feel free to share your opinion. I have no monopoly on information, especially since I feel very out of touch with most of the school now since I'm on rotations.
 
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i'd like to see the day that tourocom manages to snatch Harlem Hospital from the grasp of the carribean overlords.
 
i'd like to see the day that tourocom manages to snatch Harlem Hospital from the grasp of the carribean overlords.

The new clinical dean keeps saying that he's "in talks" to get Harlem Hospital as a core rotation site.. Somehow I have a feeling Columbia is never gonna let that happen.

Also way to resurrect an old ass thread..
 
The new clinical dean keeps saying that he's "in talks" to get Harlem Hospital as a core rotation site.. Somehow I have a feeling Columbia is never gonna let that happen.

Also way to resurrect an old ass thread..

isn't HH filled with carribean med students? touro should get at least one core site in manhattan. it's not really a "new" school anymore

this guy Resurrected it: member6091
 
i'd like to see the day that tourocom manages to snatch Harlem Hospital from the grasp of the carribean overlords.

Apparently someone from harlem hospital (VP of something or another) was appointed to a figurehead position in the last few days(my apologies... Dean of community affairs is clearly a vital post). I imagine that's politics to get into HH.
 
Apparently someone from harlem hospital (VP of something or another) was appointed to a figurehead position in the last few days(my apologies... Dean of community affairs is clearly a vital post). I imagine that's politics to get into HH.

hmm so they're buying out HH's authority figures..
 
They are also in talks with St. Lukes about getting more core rotations there. so far they have managed to get core psych there. I guess you gotta start somewhere. They also got a few places out in long island and Orange Regional (about 80 miles north of nyc). Harlem hospital has been jerking touro around but beggars can't be choosers; hence why touro still sucks up to them.

Either way, each year has seen growth in rotation sites and the quality of rotations; lately they have been working on opening up more residencies in the tri-state area.
 
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