Thinking about attending a DO school. What are the downsides?

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And the sad truth - people will never respect you as much as an MD.

This blanket statement is not true. I'd go out on a limb to say most laypeople (i.e. the vast majority of patients) would assume that the DO introducing them self as Dr. So-in-So in a clinical setting was an MD anyway. My mother went to an allopathic school and in her practice there are DOs; she claims that the difference in clinical prowess among the physicians in that practice vary based on the individual, not the letters behind their name. Most people don't know who is treating them. I've watched patients continue to refer to the PA as doctor despite the PA having corrected them multiple times in the same conversation. With this in mind I'd bet the patient refusing to be treated by a DO to be the exception and not at all the rule.
You weren't good enough to get into an allopathic school.

Those matriculating into osteopathic schools have lower stats on average than their allopathic counterparts, we can all agree on this. But your statement, bolded for emphasis, is based on the assumption that stats alone dictate the caliber of future physician. If this were the case DOs would not be eligible for allopathic residencies. Are they at a disadvantage for these residencies? Yes. But would they be allowed the opportunities to attend them if the governing bodies deemed them inferior? I don't think so.

I am not saying that we are all respect hungry, but for the amount of stress and hard work we put into medicine, one of the greater rewards/benefits is the respect of the public...[/B]

If you really mean this I think you're in for a rude awakening. Lots of people respect docs and a lot of people don't. For everyone who looks at you starry eyed like you're some mystical healer there will be an equal amount who think you're overpaid yuppie who doesn't know what they're talking about. One of my neighbors' son recently broke a stain glass window in my mothers house. When she asked that family to pay for the damages they said "you're a doctor why they hell do you need our hard earned money?". She's also received numerous insults and death threats (she practices in Baltimore) by her patients. You may think you're a big deal for having gone to medical school but many do not feel the same.
 
DO's have their own ortho residency programs. Many of them are top notch, rotate at phenomenal places along side MD ortho residents. There were 82 ortho spots this past year for the DO match with 200+ applicants vs. the MD match which has 630 spots with 800+ applicants (i'm pulling these ##"s from memory).

As for fellowships, basically you can apply to all as an MD or DO; they take the best applicants for the "best" spots. For example, Dr. James Andrews (sports) has DO ortho fellows in his program in FL and GA.

Is this true? I actually just watched a documentary on Andrews which was pretty cool and looked up his fellowship http://www.theandrewsinstitute.com/AREI/Education/Fellowship.aspx. I was pretty sad to see a portion of the selection process section saying "Fellows accepted to the orthopaedic sports medicine program should have completed an ACGME–accredited residency in Orthopaedic Surgery and be a graduate of a medical school in the U.S.A. accredited by the ACGME (or ECFMG equivalent)"

Of course, perhaps this isn't a hardfast rule if they have taken DO fellows. That would be good news!
 
I think an important downside to consider would be how much DO school costs. DO schools are traditionally more often private institutions. My buddy who is an M1 at Nova Southeastern told me he is paying 45k+ a year in tuition alone! Had he been able to get into his state DO school, MSUCOM, he would only be paying 36k a year! But still, even my state DO school (MSUCOM) is 8-9k/year more expensive than my state MD schools around (27k-28k/year). I don't understand it. Really makes me sad. It really seems as though the DO route will ALWAYS be more expensive, sucks if you really wanna be a DO.
 
Is this true? I actually just watched a documentary on Andrews which was pretty cool and looked up his fellowship http://www.theandrewsinstitute.com/AREI/Education/Fellowship.aspx. I was pretty sad to see a portion of the selection process section saying "Fellows accepted to the orthopaedic sports medicine program should have completed an ACGME–accredited residency in Orthopaedic Surgery and be a graduate of a medical school in the U.S.A. accredited by the ACGME (or ECFMG equivalent)"

Of course, perhaps this isn't a hardfast rule if they have taken DO fellows. That would be good news!
Who knows? For all I know the DO I saw could have been one of the few to go to an ACGME residency.
 
Just my two cents, but in exploring the possibilities of MD/DO I tried hard for MD just because I felt that it gave me the best chance at what I want to do. If it came down to it and I only got accepted by a DO school, I would go. Although some try and minimize it, there is definitely a stigma that comes with having any letters other than MD after your name and proclaiming that you're a doctor. I've worked with many DO's in the ER and find them to be just as competent as the MDs, but the stigma is still what bothers me. It's hard enough to get in, and then to do well enough to be able to match where you want. I took the option that gave me the best chance to do that. That said, if anyone tries to talk down to a DO, they're ignorant.
 
Care to name some of these top notch DO ortho residency programs as well as the phenomenal places at which they rotate along side MD ortho residents?

Chicago Ortho Program (just one example). Next question?



Christ Hospital
4440 W. 95th St.
Oak Lawn, IL, 60453

Rotation😛ediatrics/General Orthopedics

Weiss Hospital
4646 N. Marine Dr.
Chicago, IL, 60640

Rotation:Total Joint Replacement

Northwestern Memorial Hospital
645 N. Michigan Ave.
Chicago, IL, 60611

Rotation:Hand Surgery

Shriners Hospitals
2211 North Oak Park Ave.
Chicago, IL, 60707

Rotation😛ediatric Orthopedics


John H. Stroger Hospital of Cook County
1900 W. Polk Ave.
Chicago, IL, 60612

Rotation:General Orthopedics/Traume
 
Is this true? I actually just watched a documentary on Andrews which was pretty cool and looked up his fellowship http://www.theandrewsinstitute.com/AREI/Education/Fellowship.aspx. I was pretty sad to see a portion of the selection process section saying "Fellows accepted to the orthopaedic sports medicine program should have completed an ACGME–accredited residency in Orthopaedic Surgery and be a graduate of a medical school in the U.S.A. accredited by the ACGME (or ECFMG equivalent)"

Of course, perhaps this isn't a hardfast rule if they have taken DO fellows. That would be good news!

The chief resident from Ingham (MSU - DO Ortho) is going there for fellowship next year.
 
Just my two cents, but in exploring the possibilities of MD/DO I tried hard for MD just because I felt that it gave me the best chance at what I want to do. If it came down to it and I only got accepted by a DO school, I would go. Although some try and minimize it, there is definitely a stigma that comes with having any letters other than MD after your name and proclaiming that you're a doctor. I've worked with many DO's in the ER and find them to be just as competent as the MDs, but the stigma is still what bothers me. It's hard enough to get in, and then to do well enough to be able to match where you want. I took the option that gave me the best chance to do that. That said, if anyone tries to talk down to a DO, they're ignorant.

+1. Extremely ignorant
 
I've seen MDs make fun of DOs... It just is what it is. Most of that happened in surgery but I've seen it in other fields too.

and I've seen DOs make fun of MDs... Also seen IM making fun of surg. and surg. returning the favor... Same goes for any other specialty/degree... Everyone thinks that their s*** doesn't smell and they are the smartest person in the world.... But at the end no one cares and there is always someone who is smarter than you are!

And as usual, this thread turned into another famous SDN MD vs DO 😴
 
and I've seen DOs make fun of MDs... Also seen IM making fun of surg. and surg. returning the favor... Same goes for any other specialty/degree... Everyone thinks that their s*** doesn't smell and they are the smartest person in the world.... But at the end no one cares and there is always someone who is smarter than you are!

And as usual, this thread turned into another famous SDN MD vs DO 😴

You're sooo right! This happens to be the nature of many physicians. You will deal like a**holes like this even if you're an MD. The cardiologist who I shadowed and his ortho buddy made fun of EM (when I told them thats what I wanted to do). The American trained physicians look down on the FMGs. The specialists look down on the pcp's. The academics look down on the private practice. The ivy league med grads look down on state school medical grads. And the list goes on and on. Get used to it guys 🙂
 
I think an important downside to consider would be how much DO school costs. DO schools are traditionally more often private institutions. My buddy who is an M1 at Nova Southeastern told me he is paying 45k+ a year in tuition alone! Had he been able to get into his state DO school, MSUCOM, he would only be paying 36k a year! But still, even my state DO school (MSUCOM) is 8-9k/year more expensive than my state MD schools around (27k-28k/year). I don't understand it. Really makes me sad. It really seems as though the DO route will ALWAYS be more expensive, sucks if you really wanna be a DO.

Hate to call you out on this... But next time you should do some fact checking....

MSU DO and MD schools years 2, 3 and 4 cost EXACTLY the same (Tuition and Fees). First year DO school is $3000-9000 (I can't interpret their data) more expensive because their curriculum is 9 weeks longer than the MD school during first year and the cost difference is only applicable to first year. Someone has to pay people to show up to work for those extra 9 weeks.

This cost difference stuff is a big SDN fallacy.... Private DO school is comparable to private MD school in cost and Public DO school is comparable to public MD school in cost....
 
Hate to call you out on this... But next time you should do some fact checking....

MSU DO and MD schools years 2, 3 and 4 cost EXACTLY the same (Tuition and Fees). First year DO school is $3000-9000 (I can't interpret their data) more expensive because their curriculum is 9 weeks longer than the MD school during first year and the cost difference is only applicable to first year. Someone has to pay people to show up to work for those extra 9 weeks.

This cost difference stuff is a big SDN fallacy.... Private DO school is comparable to private MD school in cost and Public DO school is comparable to public MD school in cost....

I honestly did not know that. Thanks for letting me know, I've been accepted at both schools and they don't give you the info for the 2nd, 3rd, 4th year costs. One of my good friends at who is at the DO school tells me tuition only goes up for the following years. I guess I have to do some more research, but would you care to show me the prices for the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th year of these schools? I am extremely interested in seeing them.

On a side note, maybe private MD schools and DO schools are around the same thing, but how many non-private DO schools are there? I can only think of 3 public DO schools off the top of my head, and MSU COM charges 70k a year in tuition if you aren't an MI resident - so unless you are a resident of MI, Texas (TCOM), NJ (UMDNJ) - I think probability says you will more likely have a higher debt as a DO than you would as an MD.
 
Is this true? I actually just watched a documentary on Andrews which was pretty cool and looked up his fellowship http://www.theandrewsinstitute.com/AREI/Education/Fellowship.aspx. I was pretty sad to see a portion of the selection process section saying "Fellows accepted to the orthopaedic sports medicine program should have completed an ACGME–accredited residency in Orthopaedic Surgery and be a graduate of a medical school in the U.S.A. accredited by the ACGME (or ECFMG equivalent)"

Of course, perhaps this isn't a hardfast rule if they have taken DO fellows. That would be good news!

When you start looking at residency programs in 3-4 years, you will realize how much mis-information residency programs have on their website.

For example, assuming that they actually meant what they said in their quote, then they would never be able to recruit fellows EVER! Because neither ACGME nor ECFMG accredit medical schools in the US or elsewhere.
 
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I honestly did not know that. Thanks for letting me know, I've been accepted at both schools and they don't give you the info for the 2nd, 3rd, 4th year costs. One of my good friends at who is at the DO school tells me tuition only goes up for the following years. I guess I have to do some more research, but would you care to show me the prices for the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th year of these schools? I am extremely interested in seeing them.

On a side note, maybe private MD schools and DO schools are around the same thing, but how many non-private DO schools are there? I can only think of 3 public DO schools off the top of my head, and MSU COM charges 70k a year in tuition if you aren't an MI resident - so unless you are a resident of MI, Texas (TCOM), NJ (UMDNJ) - I think probability says you will more likely have a higher debt as a DO than you would as an MD.

Again the OOS tuition for MSU CHM very closely mirrors the one from MSU COM.

You also forgot WVSOM....

And that's not the issue; the issue is that If you go to a private school, you will pay comparable private tuition... If you go to a public school you will pay comparable public tuition... Anything more than that is just useless generalizations...

CHM: http://finaid.msu.edu/read/budchm.pdf
COM: http://finaid.msu.edu/read/budcom.pdf
 
Again the OOS tuition for MSU CHM very closely mirrors the one from MSU COM.

You also forgot WVSOM....

And that's not the issue; the issue is that If you go to a private school, you will pay comparable private tuition... If you go to a public school you will pay comparable public tuition... Anything more than that is just useless generalizations...

CHM: http://finaid.msu.edu/read/budchm.pdf
COM: http://finaid.msu.edu/read/budcom.pdf

I'm gonna check it out! Thanks!
 
FWIW: Real training comes in residency, so once you match into whatever you match into, it doesn't matter. However, the biggest thing no one says is that DO cost $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ because they are all private schools and few are associated wtih hospitals. I'm at a dual residency and seriously my DO counterparts have over $300K in debt.
If you go DO because you are interested in OMT and not just allopathic medicine, great. But being a DO who doesn't do OMT and is $300K+ in debt just to get trained as a physician is in my view, pretty stupid. Wait a year or two, get into a good allopathic state school and save yourself $$$.
 
FWIW: Real training comes in residency, so once you match into whatever you match into, it doesn't matter. However, the biggest thing no one says is that DO cost $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ because they are all private schools and few are associated wtih hospitals. I'm at a dual residency and seriously my DO counterparts have over $300K in debt.
If you go DO because you are interested in OMT and not just allopathic medicine, great. But being a DO who doesn't do OMT and is $300K+ in debt just to get trained as a physician is in my view, pretty stupid. Wait a year or two, get into a good allopathic state school and save yourself $$$.

Same thing can be said about private MD schools with regards to their tuition.... Also getting into a "good" allopathic state school to save money is a ridiculous statement, because the only allopathic (or osteopathic) state school that saves you money are the ones in YOUR state... So you can't pick and choose state schools to save money.....

Also, extra 1-2 years of earning physician salary compensates for any difference between state MD school and the private DO school tuition... (assuming one's work life/years are constant and by waiting an extra 1-2 years you are reducing your overall earning potential by 1-2 years)....
 
I think we need a battle royale/hunger games like contest to settle the MD vs DO vs Caribbean debate once and for all
 
Same thing can be said about private MD schools with regards to their tuition.... Also getting into a "good" allopathic state school to save money is a ridiculous statement, because the only allopathic (or osteopathic) state school that saves you money are the ones in YOUR state... So you can't pick and choose state schools to save money.....

Also, extra 1-2 years of earning physician salary compensates for any difference between state MD school and the private DO school tuition... (assuming one's work life/years are constant and by waiting an extra 1-2 years you are reducing your overall earning potential by 1-2 years)....

This is true. The extra 80k or so for DO can easily be made up with 1-2 years of physician pay. You may also say well why not use that extra two years to improve your app then? Well family life etc gets brought into the mix then as well as the fact that nothing is a sure bet. If you get into a respectable US school these days it would be almost foolish to turn it down. Without knowing when the economy will turn around more and more people may turn to the stable career of medicine (as seen in the record number of applicants this year).
 
half the DO students aren't matching into ACGME ortho. In 2011 only two DO grads matched into ACGME ortho.

Source: http://www.nrmp.org/data/resultsanddata2011.pdf

I am sure the ortho application rate among MD students than among DO, but how much higher, I don't know if it's 3x.

Bravo for the tenacity you've shown to DO bash on every single "DO vs MD" thread to have graced pre-allo for the last few years. Considering the volume and frequency at which these threads come up, it's truly a feat and a testament to your persistence.

Source: your post history and the search function

Seriously bro, I don't know if a DO gave you the weird eye or something but at some point I have to believe that there has to be more important things worth your time than these dead horse topics. Exactly what crucial, fundamental piece of knowledge are you adding that's being consistently left unsaid? It's almost as if you've taken it upon yourself to fight a righteous crusade against the most trivial matters of human history.

Not even mad, just hoping you find a book to read.
 
Have any of these DO vs. MD threads ever been held to less than, say, 20 posts? Doesn't matter how they start, people can't resist....
 
I don't have a problem with DO schools; they're a great alternative for those who don't get into allo schools, they just carri drawbacks when applying for ACGME residencies.

Bravo for the tenacity you've shown to DO bash on every single "DO vs MD" thread to have graced pre-allo for the last few years. Considering the volume and frequency at which these threads come up, it's truly a feat and a testament to your persistence.

Source: your post history and the search function

Seriously bro, I don't know if a DO gave you the weird eye or something but at some point I have to believe that there has to be more important things worth your time than these dead horse topics. Exactly what crucial, fundamental piece of knowledge are you adding that's being consistently left unsaid? It's almost as if you've taken it upon yourself to fight a righteous crusade against the most trivial matters of human history.

Not even mad, just hoping you find a book to read.
 
more difficult... definitely. as far as western Europe and Asia, DO have practicing rights in a handful of countries like UK, Germany, Finland, Sweden, Taiwan, and Hong Kong.

http://www.westernu.edu/bin/ime/international-practice-rights.pdf
But it is limited in France and UK and and not recognized in Korea, Japan, and Spain. Don't get me wrong here brother (or sister), I'm not bashing DO; why would I when I'm going to be one. Just stating some qualms I have since I'll be interested in those two East Asian countries if I want to go abroad.
 
Bravo for the tenacity you've shown to DO bash on every single "DO vs MD" thread to have graced pre-allo for the last few years. Considering the volume and frequency at which these threads come up, it's truly a feat and a testament to your persistence.

Source: your post history and the search function

Seriously bro, I don't know if a DO gave you the weird eye or something but at some point I have to believe that there has to be more important things worth your time than these dead horse topics. Exactly what crucial, fundamental piece of knowledge are you adding that's being consistently left unsaid? It's almost as if you've taken it upon yourself to fight a righteous crusade against the most trivial matters of human history.

Not even mad, just hoping you find a book to read.

Don't let his comments beat you down; from what I've seen, drizzt is a brutal realist, but he always offers useful, practical advice to members here. His advice has helped me as well 🙂. I don't always agree with him, but then again his goal is (I'm assuming) the best ACADEMIC residency programs in COMPETITIVE fields, so he does bring some great insight into the discussion.

In a nutshell, the dude gives solid advice backed up with data and reliable trends, so lend an ear friend.
 
But it is limited in France and UK and and not recognized in Korea, Japan, and Spain. Don't get me wrong here brother (or sister), I'm not bashing DO; why would I when I'm going to be one. Just stating some qualms I have since I'll be interested in those two East Asian countries if I want to go abroad.

FYI, you get FULL/unlimited license in the UK as a DO... It's only limited in France..... I don't know/care about East Asian countries....

Also, regardless of the type of degree (DO or MD), unless you are citizens of those countries (especially in the EU) the chances of you getting licenses is close to zero.... Almost all EU countries have a surplus of physicians and don't let foreign (e.g. US) physicians further dilute their physician force.
 
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Sometimes people go MD just because other people with high stats are going MD. Some people like ROAD specialties because it's competitive and they want to get something they see as valuable in the eyes of others.

Personally, I want to go MD even though it'll probably take me an extra year or so just because OMM takes 2+ hours a week (valuable time!), I don't feel like studying for both the COMLEX and the USMLE, since I think I'd do worse on both and spend a lot of precious time during those years. This specific MD school I want to go to has more research being done, and since I like doing research, I want to go there.

Also, I've noticed a lot of residencies for MD schools are at academic institutions. Is it better or worse? I have no idea. But DO med students on SDN brag about their academic residencies, so they're probably better, right?

Honestly, who cares about DO practicing rights worldwide unless you plan on working there? Not a lot of people do because the pay for doctors in other countries suck.

By the way, when I do apply, I'll apply to both DO and MD. Stupid California doesn't have a cheap state school.

So many rambling thoughts, but it's 5am and I've done so much forum browsing to help make my decision. By the way, for anyone else doing the same, try to look for student's opinion on DO or MD after 3rd or 4th year. Also, browse the residency forums to see what life will be like down the line if you're a DO or MD. Different levels of DO-friendliness based on the state you're in. Different locations of AOA residencies vs. MD ones. In regards to happiness and stuff during residency, I've noticed patterns based on whether people went to a DO school vs. an MD school. This one DO guy had an RN be his preceptor, for example. The differences definitely go beyond just the philosophy and the tenets of osteopathy. Interesting history on osteopathy.

Either way, someone who's passionate about medicine will become a great doctor, DO or MD. It's just up to them. It's a scary thought, though. Everything is up to you. Scary, but empowering. Make every moment count.

I'll now get back to studying for my microbiology class. 😀 Thanks for reading.
 
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The chief resident from Ingham (MSU - DO Ortho) is going there for fellowship next year.

When you start looking at residency programs in 3-4 years, you will realize how much mis-information residency programs have on their website.

For example, assuming that they actually meant what they said in their quote, then they would never be able to recruit fellows EVER! Because neither ACGME nor ECFMG accredit medical schools in the US or elsewhere.

Thanks for the info guys
 
Back to the OP,

With ortho in particular, DO schools have fewer research opportunities, which can be a factor in the allopathic match. Going the DO route would most likely mean an AOA residency, which are fine if you are ok with that.

Plus, with the personalities of most orthopods, would you be surprised if the low DO match rate into allopathic residencies was a result of discrimination? I'm sure you'd find the same attitudes as on these boards...😛
 
And the sad truth - people will never respect you as much as an MD. You weren't good enough to get into an allopathic school.
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Truth: stats in almost all allopathic schools are higher than that of osteopathic schools.

But keep in mind, there are many allopathic reapplicants and applicants who took time off to boost up their application prior to applying MD.

Truth: A fair number of DOs would have made it into allopathic schools if they spent another year or two doing SMPs, bulking up ECs, and/or retaking MCAT etc etc
 
Truth: A fair number of DOs would have made it into allopathic schools if they spent another year or two doing SMPs, bulking up ECs, and/or retaking MCAT etc etc

Yep... because we all have the thousands of dollars and gobs of free time needed to do "a year or two" of hoop-jumping for the MD schools. It's not like you'd have student loans to start paying on that would require a job or anything.

The entire process is gawdawfully expensive; and frankly, the difference between a comparably-priced MD and DO program is marginal enough that, if you have the option, you're likely better served going instead of wasting your time on "bulking up EC's." That 200 hours of OMM you're doing would be far less time than the 15,000+ hours you'd spend not progressing toward a medical degree.

IMO, the question you have to ask yourself is "do I want to be a physician?" or "do I want an MD degree?" It's all good if you feel like you have to be an MD, but it's silly to bash anyone who chooses a different route.
 
Hey, guys. You're making this thread ridiculous.

OP, just do a search and look up this information in every other thread about this topic. It always devolves into a shouting match with half of those commenting deriding DOs and the other half defending them. That should give you all the information you need.
 
Hey, guys. You're making this thread ridiculous.

OP, just do a search and look up this information in every other thread about this topic. It always devolves into a shouting match with half of those commenting deriding DOs and the other half defending them. That should give you all the information you need.

Bam, here it is.
 
Yep... because we all have the thousands of dollars and gobs of free time needed to do "a year or two" of hoop-jumping for the MD schools. It's not like you'd have student loans to start paying on that would require a job or anything.

The entire process is gawdawfully expensive; and frankly, the difference between a comparably-priced MD and DO program is marginal enough that, if you have the option, you're likely better served going instead of wasting your time on "bulking up EC's." That 200 hours of OMM you're doing would be far less time than the 15,000+ hours you'd spend not progressing toward a medical degree.

IMO, the question you have to ask yourself is "do I want to be a physician?" or "do I want an MD degree?" It's all good if you feel like you have to be an MD, but it's silly to bash anyone who chooses a different route.

might have been the way I phrased it, but I think we are both in agreement. Your reasoning above is exactly why I applied DO and MD concurrently instead of doing a SMP.

I am just saying that just because a candidate went with DO, doesn't mean that he/she couldn't have made it to an MD if XYZ and thus disproving what GomerPyle posted.
 
99% of DO's are MD rejects. I'm sorry if that hurts feelings but it's true
 
99% of DO's are MD rejects. I'm sorry if that hurts feelings but it's true

This is why there can't be intelligent dialogue about this subject on SDN. The trolls come out and make snide baseless remarks that offer nothing to the discussion.
 
99% of DO's are MD rejects. I'm sorry if that hurts feelings but it's true

With your mentality 99% of MDs are MD rejects (couldn't/can't get into a school ranked better than their school; basically anyone who doesn't go to Hopkins or Harvard)..... Who gives a s***

Being an a**hole is not the only way to deal your own personal insecurities.....
 
Many MD rejects are individuals with amazing life experience (health care, engineering, raising a family, etc.) that didn't have that perfect college plan handed to them at 18 by their parents. Many of these "rejects" will make great doctors.
 
Implying that MD students had their admission handed to them by their parents is precisely as ignorant as that guys statement
 
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People who belittle others (MD/DO/RN/Janitor) do so as a defense mechanism to compensate for their own weaknesses and insecurities....

You don't have to explain yourself to them.... Just ignore them and they will have no choice but to go deal with their real issues then....
 
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Implying that MD students had their admission handed to them by their parents is precisely as ignorant as that guys statement

I know this is shocking news, but there are many individuals that had a rocky start to adult life and did not have the opportunities/motivation to initially excel academically to the same extent as an individual that has supportive (and/or wealthy) parents which help them during their college years. I am one of them.

Personally, I was homeless between the age of 12-14 living with a single, drug-abusing, suicidal mom. As a result, I missed a lot of school and flunked most of jr. high. This left me unprepared for rigorous coursework in high school, and subsequently, in college. As a result, my early college record looks like crap. Then, due to my mother's addiction relapse, I ended up having to raise my younger sister from age 5 to present (she's 14 now.) Around this time I started working at an engineering firm in California and, thankfully, was able to establish a great career (I'm licensed now) without completing my degree. Nevertheless, I discovered my true interest in medicine after suffering a detached retina. This lead me to return to academia, with a new-found sense of urgency, and I have been earning "MD" level grades ever since.....

I hope to gain admission to an MD school, but I'm thankful that DO exists for people that don't fit the traditional model.
 
I know this is shocking news, but there are many individuals that had a rocky start to adult life and did not have the opportunities/motivation to initially excel academically to the same extent as an individual that has supportive (and/or wealthy) parents which help them during their college years. I am one of them.

Personally, I was homeless between the age of 12-14 living with a single, drug-abusing, suicidal mom. As a result, I missed a lot of school and flunked most of jr. high. This left me unprepared for rigorous coursework in high school, and subsequently, in college. As a result, my early college record looks like crap. Then, due to my mother's addiction relapse, I ended up having to raise my younger sister from age 5 to present (she's 14 now.) Around this time I started working at an engineering firm in California and, thankfully, was able to establish a great career (I'm licensed now) without completing my degree. Nevertheless, I discovered my true interest in medicine after suffering a detached retina. This lead me to return to academia, with a new-found sense of urgency, and I have been earning "MD" level grades ever since..... But, I'll likely make a crappy doctor because I'll likely have to go the DO route to become one due to my early poor grades.
Ok, your anecdotal story aside, not everyone who get's ****ty grades in undergrad is homeless in their teens and not everyone who gets into an allo school has their path planned by their parents.

Maybe you don't understand the irony in your statement about allo students when defending osteo students?
 
I know this is shocking news, but there are many individuals that had a rocky start to adult life and did not have the opportunities/motivation to initially excel academically to the same extent as an individual that has supportive (and/or wealthy) parents which help them during their college years. I am one of them.

Personally, I was homeless between the age of 12-14 living with a single, drug-abusing, suicidal mom. As a result, I missed a lot of school and flunked most of jr. high. This left me unprepared for rigorous coursework in high school, and subsequently, in college. As a result, my early college record looks like crap. Then, due to my mother's addiction relapse, I ended up having to raise my younger sister from age 5 to present (she's 14 now.) Around this time I started working at an engineering firm in California and, thankfully, was able to establish a great career (I'm licensed now) without completing my degree. Nevertheless, I discovered my true interest in medicine after suffering a detached retina. This lead me to return to academia, which a new found sense of urgency, and I have been earning "MD" level grades ever since..... But, I'll likely make a crappy doctor because I'll likely have to go the DO route to become one due to my early poor grades.

Do you really think an ignorant punk that posts garbage such as the one above cares about your story? Just let him think whatever he wants.... Who cares.... Do whatever makes you happy and ignore what someone on an anonymous forum says....
 
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People who belittle others (MD/DO/RN/Janitor) do so as a defense mechanism to compensate for their own weaknesses and insecurities....

You don't have to explain yourself to them.... Just ignore them and they will have no choice but to go deal with their real issues then....

I'm not belittling anyone. I apologize if you read into my comment and felt I was. Rather, I'm stating that a disparity exists within our society between those that come from blessed backgrounds and those that don't. Those that don't just have one more hoop to jump over. This said, I'm not discounting anyone. Grades are grades, and they (usually) require hard work from everyone to obtain.
 
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I'm not belittling anyone. I apologize if you read into my comment and felt I was. Rather, I'm stating that a disparity exists within our society between those that come from blessed backgrounds and those that don't. This said, I'm not discounting anyone. Grades are grades, and they (usually) require hard work from everyone to obtain.

Ok, point taken. I am just saying, DO schools are not the salvation of the poor, downtrodden students that the US education system failed.

For every 1 student who came from a poverty stricken background I can find one more at the same DO school (in my home state, at least) that came from a family with a doctor as a mother or father.
 
I know this is shocking news, but there are many individuals that had a rocky start to adult life and did not have the opportunities/motivation to initially excel academically to the same extent as an individual that has supportive (and/or wealthy) parents which help them during their college years. I am one of them.

Personally, I was homeless between the age of 12-14 living with a single, drug-abusing, suicidal mom. As a result, I missed a lot of school and flunked most of jr. high. This left me unprepared for rigorous coursework in high school, and subsequently, in college. As a result, my early college record looks like crap. Then, due to my mother's addiction relapse, I ended up having to raise my younger sister from age 5 to present (she's 14 now.) Around this time I started working at an engineering firm in California and, thankfully, was able to establish a great career (I'm licensed now) without completing my degree. Nevertheless, I discovered my true interest in medicine after suffering a detached retina. This lead me to return to academia, with a new-found sense of urgency, and I have been earning "MD" level grades ever since.....

I hope to gain admission to an MD school, but I'm thankful that DO exists for people that don't fit the traditional model.

Cool story brah

Nothing you said contradicts anything I said in any way, shape and/or form. To be blunt, MY statement directly implies that MD students are not immune to hardship
 
I'm not belittling anyone. I apologize if you read into my comment and felt I was. Rather, I'm stating that a disparity exists within our society between those that come from blessed backgrounds and those that don't. This said, I'm not discounting anyone. Grades are grades, and they (usually) require hard work from everyone to obtain.

Use common sense, I was telling you not to feed the troll (Rippey)...

Also don't assume everyone who went to DO did so b/c of grades....
 
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Use commonsens, I was telling you not to feed the troll (Rippey)...

Also don't assume everyone who went to DO did so b/c of grades....


why did you go DO then?



edit: I think you have a biased opinion, just like how the caribbean students argue that the training they receive is on-par with us md schools. You can argue all you want, but your talking points are falling on to deaf ears.
 
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Ok, your anecdotal story aside, not everyone who get's ****ty grades in undergrad is homeless in their teens and not everyone who gets into an allo school has their path planned by their parents.

Maybe you don't understand the irony [/]in your statement about allo students when defending osteo students?


That is what I was getting at. That guys statement technically implies that DO students are all socioeconomically challenged. The irony is he thinks he was defending osteo but in reality I was
 
The hoop jumping as a research job isn't bad. SMP might not be worth it.
 
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