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Thoughts ND vs DO

Discussion in 'Pre-Medical - DO' started by KR1234, Apr 21, 2014.

  1. touchpause13

    touchpause13 nolite te bastardes carborundorum
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    Excuse me while I cry in the fetal position for a few hours
     
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  2. DocVapor

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    Can't believe it's been almost an entire 25 hours since this gem was posted without someone saying something about it. I might just have to go get my ND after I finish residency instead of doing a fellowship. Neuro Speed, D.O., N.D..

    Yeah.
     
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  3. touchpause13

    touchpause13 nolite te bastardes carborundorum
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    I will track you down and punch you in the face if you do that.
    In. The. Face.
     
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    I'm not worried. All those letters after my name will shield me from your pathetic attempts to harm me, you simple D.O.

    Bring it.
     
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    Careful. They're quite adept at mop-and-bucket-fu.
     
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    touchpause13 nolite te bastardes carborundorum
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    Betta get an NP while you're at it Ace.
    Watch out I'll go Kirksville crunch on yo butt
     
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    Can ND bill Medicare/Medicaid? If not, it would be hard to say that they are physicians...
     
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    Can ND and DC call themselves 'medical doctors'? I know they can say they are doctors, but I am not sure if they can call themselves 'medical doctors'.
     
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    only MDs and DOs can call themselves medical doctors
     
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    NDs are legally allowed to use the name "doctor" but not "physician" in all the states I have looked up the legislation on. California has perhaps the most balls-to-the-wall batshiat crazy ND laws, and even they specifically forbid NDs from calling themselves physicians:

    http://www.calnd.org/scope-of-practice

    NDs Can:

    • Identify themselves as Doctors. (Un-licensable naturopaths may continue to call themselves naturopaths but may not use the terms ND or Naturopathic Doctor.)
    • Perform physical exams including gynecological exams
    • Order lab tests and imaging studies
    • Perform CLIA waved tests in office, such as urinalyses and pregnancy - however, this requiresapplying for lab director status
    • Collect gynecological and venipuncture specimens
    • Diagnose
    • Treat with diet, herbs, nutrients, homeopathics, hydrotherapy, neuromuscular technique Grades 1-4
    • Prescribe natural and synthetic hormones (although testosterone and HCG require a DEA number) as well as Schedule IV-V drugs under MD or DO supervision, and Schedule III under a patient specific protocol with your supervising MD or DO (find out more about scheduled drugs here).
    • Dispense drugs or any other substances an ND is allowed to legally prescribe or furnish, as long as all specific requirements are met (labeling requirements, etc.)
    • Administer IV/IM/SC injections and IV preparations
    • Hire Naturopathic Medical Assistants
    NDs Cannot:

    • Identify themselves as physicians
    • Prescribe Schedule I-II drugs. (These are largely drugs with high abuse potential such as heroin, cocaine and methamphetamines.) Cannabis is a Schedule I drug.
    • Perform grade 5 manipulations
    • Suture
    • Practice midwifery (unless they are also licensed midwives)
    • Hire nurses
     
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  11. MedicineMan99

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    It's state dependent. In some states, they are considered primary care physicians.
     
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    Hahahahah! That's so perfect
     
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    That is terrifying.
     
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    Idk if this is a joke or not but improve your app and apply md or do. 99 percent of DOs are matching into residencies in all specialties while I have never heard of or seen an actual ND in practice
     
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