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Ok, this subject came to mind after a fellow "animal rescuer" chewed me out for supporting breeders and the exotic animal industry. The posts are below. What are your views?
1 (Her post) HOW CAN PEOPLE KEEP ON BREEDING ANIMALS DOMESTIC OR EXOTIC WHEN THERE ARE SOOO MANY UNWANTED AND ABUSED ANIMALS IN THIS COUNTRY THAT NEED GOOD LOVING HOMES??? MOST OF THESE PEOPLE DO NOT GIVE A RATS A** WHO BUYS THESE POOR CREATURES. WILL THEY BE EATEN? WILL THEY BE LOVED? WILL THEY HAVE PROPER FOOD AND SHELTER? WILL THEY BE "PUT DOWN" IF THEY DON'T BEHAVE LIKE HUMANS?? WILL THEY BE BEATEN AND TORTURED IF THEY ANGER THE A**HOLE THAT OWNS THEM?? WILL THEY BE TRADED OFF FOR ANOTHER ANIMAL WHEN THE IDIOT WHO BOUGHT THEM IS TIRED OF THEIR NEW TOY??? WHO KNOWS WHAT KIND OF LIFE MOST OF THESE HELPLESS CREATURES WILL HAVE TO "EXIST" IN????? SOME PEOPLE WILL TREAT THEM GOOD AND LOVE THEM, BUT WILL TRADE THEM OFF OR SELL THEM TO "A GOOD HOME ONLY" PLEASE PEOPLE!! THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING! IF YOU WERE LOOKING FOR A NANNY FOR YOUR CHILD MOST OF YOU WOULD VERY CAREFULLY SCREEN THE PERSON AND BE AS NOSEY AS POSSIBLE ABOUT WHO THEY ARE AND HOW THEY TREAT KIDS ...RIGHT!! DID YOU EVER THINK THAT SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE "HAPPY TO GIVE YOUR NO LONGER WANTED ANIMAL A 4-EVER HOME" ARE REALLY ANIMAL BROKERS WHO WILL SELL OR TRADE YOUR PET TO ANYONE WHO HAS ENOUGH MONEY! AND THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT LOVE TO EAT ALL DIFFERENT KINDS OF EXOTICS! I'M NOT SAYING NOT TO FIND A HOME FOR YOUR "UNWANTED" ANIMAL, BUT YOU SHOULD BE VERY CAUTIOUS ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU GIVE THEM FOR FREE OR CHEAP. AND JUST BECAUSE A CHILD LIVES IN THAT HOME DOESN'T MEAN IT'S A GOOD HOME. UNSUPERVISED KIDS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR MANY CASES OF ANIMAL INJURIES (FROM VERY SMALL KIDS TO TEENS) WHERE ARE YOUR HEARTS PEOPLE?? OR DO YOU EVEN HAVE ONE! THIS SITE IS SUPPOSED TO BE FOR UNWANTED AND RESCUED ANIMALS, NOT BREEDERS SELLING ANIMALS AND IT'S FULL OF THEM. HOW ABOUT TAKING YOUR FAMILY TO THE ZOO OR WILDLIFE PARK INSTEAD OF GOING OUT AND PURCHASING AN EXOTIC PET? YOU WILL NOT ONLY HAVE A GREAT TIME BUT YOU WILL BE SPENDING QUALITY TIME WITH YOUR FAMILY AND THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT! ME AND MY HUSBAND BUY AN ANNUAL PASS TO THE LOCAL ZOO HERE EVERY YEAR. WE ALWAYS HAVE AN AWESOME TIME AND STAY FOR HOURS. WE VISIT EXOTIC ANIMAL RESCUES AND WILDLIFE PARKS ETC.. WE HAVE SO MUCH FUN EVERYTIME. AND THAT'S THE KIND OF STUFF YOU NEED TO HELP YOU BOND WITH EACH OTHER DEEPER, AND BE HAPPIER PEOPLE! ALSO YOU WILL BE HELPING TO SHUT DOWN THE EXOTIC ANIMAL BREEDERS/BROKERS!! THIS IS AN INDUSTRY THAT MUST BE STOPPED!! THIS WOULD ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR SO MANY FOSTER HOMES AND RESCUES. MOST OF THESE PLACES ARE ALREADY FULL AND HAVE TO TURN ANIMALS AWAY EVEN THOUGH THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO HELP THEM TOO. IT IS HEART BREAKING FOR THEM AND ALL OF US WHO REALLY CARE ABOUT THE ANIMALS. IF YOU ARE THINKING OF PURCHASING AN EXOTIC ANIMAL OF ANY KIND, I PLEAD WITH YOU TO PLEASE RECONSIDER! OH AND ON A DIFFERENT NOTE. YOU CANNOT CALL YOURSELF AN ANIMAL LOVER IF YOU AT ANY TIME GO OUT AND FOR YOUR OWN PLEASURE HUNT AND KILL ANY KIND OF ANIMAL! ANYONE WHO HAS THE ABILITY TO GO TO THE STORE AND BUY FOOD AND STILL HUNTS AND KILLS ANIMALS IS A COLD BLOODED MURDERER AND NOTHING LESS!!! OH IT'S A SPORT RIGHT? BULLS**T!!! IF YOU HANG OUT WITH SOMEONE WHO DOES THIS OR MARRY SOMEONE WHO DOES THIS YOUR JUST AS GUILTY AND YOU CANNOT CALL YOURSELF AN ANIMAL LOVER. AS YOU CAN SEE I AM VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT PROTECTING ALL ANIMALS. FROM THE TIME I WAS BORN I HAD TO WITNESS MANY KINDS OF ANIMALS BE MURDERED FOR NO REASON. IF YOU KNOW SOMEONE WHO KILLS OR ABUSES ANIMALS IT IS YOUR DUTY AS A HUMANE TO TURN THEM IN!! AND NO I AM NOT CRAZY AND I AM NOT A VEGETARIAN. I AM A WOMAN WHO LOVES ALL CREATURES GREAT AND SMALL!
2 (My post)I too see the destruction that breeding can cause. I personally do not breed. I work with many rescues, helping in anyway I can. But while we appreciate your concern for the animals, the fact that a person breeds does not mean that they do not care about the ones that are homeless. Many good breeders also work with rescues, fostering or transporting to new homes. The altpet.net site is not only for unwanted animals, but also for breeders. Also one of the advantages with exotics is that for most of them you must have a USDA or state license to own them, and the breeders on the site will not sell to someone without it. I do not believe you are crazy, and I do believe you are an animal lover. However, remember you will win more flies with honey than vinegar, and rather than screaming at people for actions you believe to be wrong, why not politely inform them of the other side of the story. Just a thought....
3 (her reply) I have been involved in MANY rescues myself (exotic
and domestic) and have seen first hand what breeders are responsible for. IT STARTS WITH THE BREEDERS. THE ANIMAL NEEDING HELP WOULD NOT EXIST IN THE FIRST PLACE!!! How can you claim to be an animal rescue volunteer and still agree with all the breeding?? I have personally rescued over 12 dogs and 3 cats and 1 snake and to many birds to remember off hand.(And
have had to spend more money than you could believe on their medical care alone) Also I have been a volunteer at 3 shelters in my state. Any true animal lover or volunteer etc.. would love to see the exotic animal breeding industry shut down. Or are you afraid that you will be out of a job?????? If
you actually believe that breeders will not sell to people without a license then you are to IGNORANT to have a conversation with me regarding animal
rights/welfare!! And if you read the posting rules on that section of
the site it clearly states that if you are a breeder, to post in a different section. I have read EVERY SINGLE post there and most of those people are EXACTLY the type of people I described and worse! There are few of those types of people whom you can use the ole honey trick with by the way!
Here's my view on the whole issue....
1) We should support quality breeders of QUALITY animals, and close down backyard breeders by introducing better cruelty laws, and having all kennels register with the state. All sales of animals should be regulated/registered, and "kennels" which do not follow the rules should be shut down, fined, and/or put in jail.
2) People are not born knowing how to properly take care of themselves. They are taught over their lifetime. In the same way, people are not taught how to care for their pets. Education is the only way that we are ever going to get ahead of the overpopulation issue, and other animal related issues.
3) I do not believe that it should be wrong to own an exotic animal. Once again, exotics require attention that most people ae unaware of. Educating them about proper diet and care.
1 (Her post) HOW CAN PEOPLE KEEP ON BREEDING ANIMALS DOMESTIC OR EXOTIC WHEN THERE ARE SOOO MANY UNWANTED AND ABUSED ANIMALS IN THIS COUNTRY THAT NEED GOOD LOVING HOMES??? MOST OF THESE PEOPLE DO NOT GIVE A RATS A** WHO BUYS THESE POOR CREATURES. WILL THEY BE EATEN? WILL THEY BE LOVED? WILL THEY HAVE PROPER FOOD AND SHELTER? WILL THEY BE "PUT DOWN" IF THEY DON'T BEHAVE LIKE HUMANS?? WILL THEY BE BEATEN AND TORTURED IF THEY ANGER THE A**HOLE THAT OWNS THEM?? WILL THEY BE TRADED OFF FOR ANOTHER ANIMAL WHEN THE IDIOT WHO BOUGHT THEM IS TIRED OF THEIR NEW TOY??? WHO KNOWS WHAT KIND OF LIFE MOST OF THESE HELPLESS CREATURES WILL HAVE TO "EXIST" IN????? SOME PEOPLE WILL TREAT THEM GOOD AND LOVE THEM, BUT WILL TRADE THEM OFF OR SELL THEM TO "A GOOD HOME ONLY" PLEASE PEOPLE!! THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING! IF YOU WERE LOOKING FOR A NANNY FOR YOUR CHILD MOST OF YOU WOULD VERY CAREFULLY SCREEN THE PERSON AND BE AS NOSEY AS POSSIBLE ABOUT WHO THEY ARE AND HOW THEY TREAT KIDS ...RIGHT!! DID YOU EVER THINK THAT SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE "HAPPY TO GIVE YOUR NO LONGER WANTED ANIMAL A 4-EVER HOME" ARE REALLY ANIMAL BROKERS WHO WILL SELL OR TRADE YOUR PET TO ANYONE WHO HAS ENOUGH MONEY! AND THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT LOVE TO EAT ALL DIFFERENT KINDS OF EXOTICS! I'M NOT SAYING NOT TO FIND A HOME FOR YOUR "UNWANTED" ANIMAL, BUT YOU SHOULD BE VERY CAUTIOUS ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU GIVE THEM FOR FREE OR CHEAP. AND JUST BECAUSE A CHILD LIVES IN THAT HOME DOESN'T MEAN IT'S A GOOD HOME. UNSUPERVISED KIDS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR MANY CASES OF ANIMAL INJURIES (FROM VERY SMALL KIDS TO TEENS) WHERE ARE YOUR HEARTS PEOPLE?? OR DO YOU EVEN HAVE ONE! THIS SITE IS SUPPOSED TO BE FOR UNWANTED AND RESCUED ANIMALS, NOT BREEDERS SELLING ANIMALS AND IT'S FULL OF THEM. HOW ABOUT TAKING YOUR FAMILY TO THE ZOO OR WILDLIFE PARK INSTEAD OF GOING OUT AND PURCHASING AN EXOTIC PET? YOU WILL NOT ONLY HAVE A GREAT TIME BUT YOU WILL BE SPENDING QUALITY TIME WITH YOUR FAMILY AND THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT! ME AND MY HUSBAND BUY AN ANNUAL PASS TO THE LOCAL ZOO HERE EVERY YEAR. WE ALWAYS HAVE AN AWESOME TIME AND STAY FOR HOURS. WE VISIT EXOTIC ANIMAL RESCUES AND WILDLIFE PARKS ETC.. WE HAVE SO MUCH FUN EVERYTIME. AND THAT'S THE KIND OF STUFF YOU NEED TO HELP YOU BOND WITH EACH OTHER DEEPER, AND BE HAPPIER PEOPLE! ALSO YOU WILL BE HELPING TO SHUT DOWN THE EXOTIC ANIMAL BREEDERS/BROKERS!! THIS IS AN INDUSTRY THAT MUST BE STOPPED!! THIS WOULD ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR SO MANY FOSTER HOMES AND RESCUES. MOST OF THESE PLACES ARE ALREADY FULL AND HAVE TO TURN ANIMALS AWAY EVEN THOUGH THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO HELP THEM TOO. IT IS HEART BREAKING FOR THEM AND ALL OF US WHO REALLY CARE ABOUT THE ANIMALS. IF YOU ARE THINKING OF PURCHASING AN EXOTIC ANIMAL OF ANY KIND, I PLEAD WITH YOU TO PLEASE RECONSIDER! OH AND ON A DIFFERENT NOTE. YOU CANNOT CALL YOURSELF AN ANIMAL LOVER IF YOU AT ANY TIME GO OUT AND FOR YOUR OWN PLEASURE HUNT AND KILL ANY KIND OF ANIMAL! ANYONE WHO HAS THE ABILITY TO GO TO THE STORE AND BUY FOOD AND STILL HUNTS AND KILLS ANIMALS IS A COLD BLOODED MURDERER AND NOTHING LESS!!! OH IT'S A SPORT RIGHT? BULLS**T!!! IF YOU HANG OUT WITH SOMEONE WHO DOES THIS OR MARRY SOMEONE WHO DOES THIS YOUR JUST AS GUILTY AND YOU CANNOT CALL YOURSELF AN ANIMAL LOVER. AS YOU CAN SEE I AM VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT PROTECTING ALL ANIMALS. FROM THE TIME I WAS BORN I HAD TO WITNESS MANY KINDS OF ANIMALS BE MURDERED FOR NO REASON. IF YOU KNOW SOMEONE WHO KILLS OR ABUSES ANIMALS IT IS YOUR DUTY AS A HUMANE TO TURN THEM IN!! AND NO I AM NOT CRAZY AND I AM NOT A VEGETARIAN. I AM A WOMAN WHO LOVES ALL CREATURES GREAT AND SMALL!
2 (My post)I too see the destruction that breeding can cause. I personally do not breed. I work with many rescues, helping in anyway I can. But while we appreciate your concern for the animals, the fact that a person breeds does not mean that they do not care about the ones that are homeless. Many good breeders also work with rescues, fostering or transporting to new homes. The altpet.net site is not only for unwanted animals, but also for breeders. Also one of the advantages with exotics is that for most of them you must have a USDA or state license to own them, and the breeders on the site will not sell to someone without it. I do not believe you are crazy, and I do believe you are an animal lover. However, remember you will win more flies with honey than vinegar, and rather than screaming at people for actions you believe to be wrong, why not politely inform them of the other side of the story. Just a thought....
3 (her reply) I have been involved in MANY rescues myself (exotic
and domestic) and have seen first hand what breeders are responsible for. IT STARTS WITH THE BREEDERS. THE ANIMAL NEEDING HELP WOULD NOT EXIST IN THE FIRST PLACE!!! How can you claim to be an animal rescue volunteer and still agree with all the breeding?? I have personally rescued over 12 dogs and 3 cats and 1 snake and to many birds to remember off hand.(And
have had to spend more money than you could believe on their medical care alone) Also I have been a volunteer at 3 shelters in my state. Any true animal lover or volunteer etc.. would love to see the exotic animal breeding industry shut down. Or are you afraid that you will be out of a job?????? If
you actually believe that breeders will not sell to people without a license then you are to IGNORANT to have a conversation with me regarding animal
rights/welfare!! And if you read the posting rules on that section of
the site it clearly states that if you are a breeder, to post in a different section. I have read EVERY SINGLE post there and most of those people are EXACTLY the type of people I described and worse! There are few of those types of people whom you can use the ole honey trick with by the way!
Here's my view on the whole issue....
1) We should support quality breeders of QUALITY animals, and close down backyard breeders by introducing better cruelty laws, and having all kennels register with the state. All sales of animals should be regulated/registered, and "kennels" which do not follow the rules should be shut down, fined, and/or put in jail.
2) People are not born knowing how to properly take care of themselves. They are taught over their lifetime. In the same way, people are not taught how to care for their pets. Education is the only way that we are ever going to get ahead of the overpopulation issue, and other animal related issues.
3) I do not believe that it should be wrong to own an exotic animal. Once again, exotics require attention that most people ae unaware of. Educating them about proper diet and care.
