Just checked my portal and got accepted!! Very excited and wasn't expecting to hear back so soon. Submitted 3/13.
Just checked my portal and got accepted!! Very excited and wasn't expecting to hear back so soon. Submitted 3/13.
Thank you!
@Sophil15 @Miracle_Max Do you guys know how it works for people who are concurrently applying to other med schools during the MSBS? Does Toledo send progress reports or do students just send schools their grades after the Fall semester is done?
Also are there any good gyms/fitness facilities in the area?
Thanks so much for answering all of our questions.
So there are essentially 2 ways to do your primary AMCAS application. You can list that you are enrolled in the MSBS program (but say you don't need a transcript cause you won't have one till december), or just not list it as a program in your AMCAS app. I didn't list it in mine because I didn't know where I was going yet for my SMP but it worked out, however in hindsight I probably would have preferred to have listed it. If you choose to not list it in our AMCAS app (like me) make SURE to talk it up in your secondaries. If you interview before December, you don't really have anything to show med schools that want to interview you, unless you want to get a certified note from the school confirming program enrollment. As soon as I received my transcript in December, I did fire off MSBS Fall transcripts to the schools I sent my application to. Potentially you can also roll the dice and send out update letters at the end of December to schools you have apps at (but some schools don't like update letters). MSBS doesn't send update letters to other schools other than the certified enrollment form if you want it (I didn't get it as I was sure schools didn't care). I still managed to interview and get acceptances at 4 MD and 1 DO school, and many of my classmates also got multiple outside acceptances during the MSBS cycle so it can be done. Just is tricky.Do you guys know how it works for people who are concurrently applying to other med schools during the MSBS? Does Toledo send progress reports or do students just send schools their grades after the Fall semester is done?
You got 4 optionsAlso are there any good gyms/fitness facilities in the area?
Do either of you two know if there is a facebook group for this upcoming years MSBS students.
After reading old threads, I am a little concerned at the low number of students that are accepted to UTCOM out of the MSBS program. In 2015, only 10 were accepted. In 2017, less than half were accepted. Is anyone else concerned about this? For current/former MSBS students, do you think this can be attributed to primarily poor student performance or is it indicative of a not as strong linkage (65-80%) as advertised?
Yeah this is something that was concerning to me as well prior to moving thousands of miles to do this SMP. Was also something I was super stressed about while in the MSBS program until acceptances started coming in. For others that didn't get their UTCOM acceptance until June (or others that didn't get in anywhere), that is like 10 months of crazy stress worrying about that very thing. SMPs in general are an expensive crapshoot. Historically from what I have been told by ADCOMs, UTCOM has accepted from the MSBS class as few as 2 students, and as many as everyone-except-2, but the overall average sits somewhere between 65-80% (they won't tell me the exact number for whatever reason) when they run the numbers for every year since the MSBS program started. ADCOMs has been pretty clear though: if they like you, they will take you. If they don't like you, they wont, and if your MCAT is too low, they also very likely won't take you.After reading old threads, I am a little concerned at the low number of students that are accepted to UTCOM out of the MSBS program. In 2015, only 10 were accepted. In 2017, less than half were accepted. Is anyone else concerned about this?
For a lot of people that I have talked to that didn't matriculate somewhere after MSBS (UTCOM or elsewhere), a big problem was that the program did not fit their application weakness. Maybe they had mediocre (or even good) undergrad grades, but their MCAT was trash, or they had zero clinical exposure... or let's face it, they were just plain weird and interviewed poorly. The MSBS program does not address these sort of shortcomings. It is really designed to help you if your GPA is trash and/or your research experience is minimal. Volunteering and clinical exposure are things you can do simultaneously while in MSBS through various options, but they aren't built into the program. If you think you are going to sneak in the back door at UTCOM with your 498 MCAT by crushing the MSBS program, it's probably not going to happen. People that have success right out of MSBS are those that are able to use the MSBS program to address their weaknesses. If Toledo isn't really going to do that, please don't go! Instead figure out a better option for addressing weaknesses.For current/former MSBS students, do you think this can be attributed to primarily poor student performance or is it indicative of a not as strong linkage (65-80%) as advertised?
Yeah this is something that was concerning to me as well prior to moving thousands of miles to do this SMP. Was also something I was super stressed about while in the MSBS program until acceptances started coming in. For others that didn't get their UTCOM acceptance until June (or others that didn't get in anywhere), that is like 10 months of crazy stress worrying about that very thing. SMPs in general are an expensive crapshoot. Historically from what I have been told by ADCOMs, UTCOM has accepted from the MSBS class as few as 2 students, and as many as everyone-except-2, but the overall average sits somewhere between 65-80% (they won't tell me the exact number for whatever reason) when they run the numbers for every year since the MSBS program started. ADCOMs has been pretty clear though: if they like you, they will take you. If they don't like you, they wont, and if your MCAT is too low, they also very likely won't take you.
My year, 60% of us moved on to UTCOM. However another 20% of us are somewhere else wearing a white coat (or pajamas more likely right now). One of the advantages of this program is that it is in a state with multiple medical schools, and borders states with multiple medical schools (Mich and Penn). Many students who do not got to UTCOM after MSBS either go to some other school in the state, or one of the bordering states either by choice (as much as it pains me, UTCOM is not the most prestigious school, though it is a very good school), or because they didn't get accepted at UTCOM. In my case I was also accepted to schools back in my home state (but screw them for not letting me in my first 4 times applying), as well as here in Ohio.
Had I been admitted to an SMP that offered guaranteed admission if I maintain a certain GPA or whatever, yeah i would have done that instead of Toledo. However, the next best thing to me was a program that offered basically a guaranteed interview, and reasonable matriculation rates (i would take a 60% chance of matriculation while simultaneously addressing my application shortcomings any day since I can also have a higher chance of getting in elsewhere) with the added benefit of being in Ohio next to Michigan and Penn. Somewhere else in this long thread I have listed all my other intangibles for why I chose Toledo over the other programs I was accepted to, but the guaranteed interview and location are pretty key.
For a lot of people that I have talked to that didn't matriculate somewhere after MSBS (UTCOM or elsewhere), a big problem was that the program did not fit their application weakness. Maybe they had mediocre (or even good) undergrad grades, but their MCAT was trash, or they had zero clinical exposure... or let's face it, they were just plain weird and interviewed poorly. The MSBS program does not address these sort of shortcomings. It is really designed to help you if your GPA is trash and/or your research experience is minimal. Volunteering and clinical exposure are things you can do simultaneously while in MSBS through various options, but they aren't built into the program. If you think you are going to sneak in the back door at UTCOM with your 498 MCAT by crushing the MSBS program, it's probably not going to happen. People that have success right out of MSBS are those that are able to use the MSBS program to address their weaknesses. If Toledo isn't really going to do that, please don't go! Instead figure out a better option for addressing weaknesses.
not this yearIs there a fee to reserve your seat in the class?
If you send me money, I will sit in your seat and keep it warm for you and prevent anyone from taking it.not this year
If you send me money, I will sit in your seat and keep it warm for you and prevent anyone from taking it.
Not sure I'm allowed to share this, but should have tons of helpful information: including blurbs about area apartment and housing options.Does anyone have recommendations on where to live?
Not sure I'm allowed to share this, but should have tons of helpful information: including blurbs about area apartment and housing options.
TLDR: If youre an alcoholic party-monster, live at Edge. If you enjoy sobriety once in awhile: Fox Chase, Chealse place, Quail Hollow, Heather Village are a few other popular options.MSBS Survival Guide - Class of 2020
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Hi all, I was also just accepted into the program and am planning on enrolling! I'm so excited!!! If anyone needs a roommate, I'm looking! Does anyone know if there is a facebook group up and running?
Also, I have a friend who's going to a post-bacc program at Johns Hopkins who was just told that their entire first semester will be online. Does anyone know the likelihood that this will happen with the MSBS program? I think I'm going to email Dr. Easterly as well, but wanted to see what everyone was thinking.
Hi all, I was also just accepted into the program and am planning on enrolling! I'm so excited!!! If anyone needs a roommate, I'm looking! Does anyone know if there is a facebook group up and running?
Also, I have a friend who's going to a post-bacc program at Johns Hopkins who was just told that their entire first semester will be online. Does anyone know the likelihood that this will happen with the MSBS program? I think I'm going to email Dr. Easterly as well, but wanted to see what everyone was thinking.
Also just wanted to say, I talked to someone who did the MSBS last year and they said that they don’t think it’ll go online, but that if we’re OOS for Ohio, that we should consider at least leasing an apt even if it does go online, just so we can get the IS tuition. Just something to keep in mind!
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~You have summoned me and here I am~Also, if any current MSBSers are around- could you tell us a little bit about how the program has been going since it has gone online (or at least I assume it has) given the current crisis?
Also, another random question- would you recommend getting an iPad pro for the program?
Going off of what @Sophil15 said above, I was purely old-school laptop-only during msbs. I would download the slides, then free-text type on them. It was slow and kinda loud, but it worked. To start my M1 year I added a tablet to my computer arsenal and I have to say I have no idea how I managed to effectively study and take notes in MSBS without my tablet. It has completely changed how I interact with lectures and how I study (for the better). I use it as a wireless second monitor to study (connected to my main lappy), hand-write notes on top of lecture slides, and even share my tablet screen over the internet with current MSBS students during tutoring so I can hand-draw out difficult concepts just like if we were at a white-board. Probably around half my MSBS class last year had a tablet, but the large majority of my med school class use a tablet, and most of those who don't have a laptop with a functional touch-screen.Also, another random question- would you recommend getting an iPad pro for the program?
I am from southern California,
So, TL;DR: coming from someone who was borderline fanatic about pen and paper notes, having some kind of electronic surface for me to take notes helped immensely. If you prefer to type out notes and have a laptop there's really no huge need. From my experience, if you prefer to write your notes by hand and have the financial means to do so, go with the iPad. It's possible to stick with pen and paper notes if you REALLY stay on top of your organization and the printers don't crap out on you too often, but I'm an iPad convert 100%. Doesn't need to be fancy, mine certainly isn't. But being able to access and organize your notes electronically and easily helps big time (especially if professors make last minute changes to the slides).
Do you need a tablet? No. But you want one. I definitely recommend.
Special note: iPads sadly do not run the school's testing software, so you will either need another laptop that can run it (macbook or windows running lappy), or borrow a laptop from the school for exam days.
Not really much difference. I use a wireless mouse when I take tests and so basically there is no difference for me between taking tests on my lappy versus tablet. My tablet also has a cover that doubles as a keyboard with a trackpad, so if I forgot my mouse it would just be like using a laptop (I use a surface pro6 tablet). Mostly I take tests with my main laptop though for the bigger screen.Do you feel that there's much of a difference between taking an exam on a tablet vs a laptop?
As a fellow west coaster, you will definitely find plenty of us to bond with. #westcoastisbestcoastOMG!!! So this confirms it, I'm totally in. Also, coming from an undergrad where I was the only person from CA amongst a sea of native northeasterners, having some fellow Californians will be a welcomed change!
OMG!!! So this confirms it, I'm totally in. Also, coming from an undergrad where I was the only person from CA amongst a sea of native northeasterners, having some fellow Californians will be a welcomed change!
Hi guys! I just got into the program and I'm super excited to attend! I'm also a fellow californian lol super excited to see all of you there!
Thank you!!! LOL yeah that was me. I haven't heard back from EVMS yet, but regardless I think I am still leaning towards Toledo!Congrats!! I vaguely you posting about choosing between here and EVMS and I was (am) in the same boat! Excited for us all
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Hi guys! I just got into the program and I'm super excited to attend! I'm also a fellow californian lol super excited to see all of you there!
What no way?! I go to UCSD haha but I'm from LACongrats, so excited to meet you and survive the low temps with you! I'm from San Diego, what about you?
What no way?! I go to UCSD haha but I'm from LA
This can go 2 ways. Ideally, you write up your project in manuscript form just as if you were gonna submit it to a journal. If however your project went to crap and you have no data, you kinda do the same thing, but in the discussion/conclusion section you cry about things that you should have done better or about how you wish you had more time etc. Overall, not a terribly big deal.1) For the research seminar, can someone explain the paper we would have to write on our research
To be honest, I don't even really know. I never really paid all that much attention to what credits and classes were what. I just showed up for class whenever they told me to and did whatever they told me to do. It's either the research component of the ciriculum, or credits dedicated to writing up the final paper? idk. Basically you just sign up for whatever classes they tell you to, then buckle up and do whatever they tell you to do and it ends up being fine. Maybe @Sophil15 knows.2) On the website, its says that there is a class called Scholarly Project, what is that?
This probably depends on the person. Some people have an easier time with this than others. In general with coursework, research, and all the other extracurriculars MSBS students got going on, it is a good approximation of how crazy med school life can be. Personally I didn't have a problem with it, but my lab was chill. Some of my classmates were overwhelmed at times though. Some people in my class ran side businesses, or had families with kids, or were traveling all over the country interviewing, and they turned out ok.3) Is it hard to juggle the coursework and research at the same time
I think "technically" the summer semester runs through a few weeks in July? But I didn't have any class (or research) in July. I think the last day I had class was in the second week of June? Some students got into med schools that started super early (like June!) and the program worked with them to get them out of there early with their degree.4) And just to confirm this program is from august to june right
1) For the research seminar, can someone explain the paper we would have to write on our research
2) On the website, its says that there is a class called Scholarly Project, what is that?
3) Is it hard to juggle the coursework and research at the same time
4) And just to confirm this program is from august to june right
I did a 1 year lease that started Aug 1st for MSBS. In hindsight I probably should have looked at the other Ohio State Med School start dates. One of the med schools I got into during MSBS was Wright State and they start super early July and I would have been ineligible for in-state tuition for the first semester if I went there, costing me like 20k extra on my student loans. Had I known that I may have started a lease July 1st instead, but it ended up working out for me since I got the A at UTCOM.@Miracle_Max @Sophil15 thank you guys so much this all really helpful information! so basically you guys leased your apartments for the entire year? and the research project is the research we are doing with the PIs right or is it a research project that we come up with on our own?
@Miracle_Max @Sophil15 thank you guys so much this all really helpful information! so basically you guys leased your apartments for the entire year? and the research project is the research we are doing with the PIs right or is it a research project that we come up with on our own?
@Sophil15 are those of you that get into the MD this year going to update the guide for us Or is it not worth updating because the information should be the same
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I literally missed a qbank question today about Farnesyl pyrophosphate synthase. F cholesterol synthesis. It never goes away.nothing in the world can prepare you for cholesterol synthesis... I certainly wasn't and it haunts me to this very day
Just so you all are aware, the UT Provost Office just sent out a long email that said "bla bla bla: we are planning and have every expectation of resuming in-person education at The University of Toledo this fall. bla bla bla" Clearly this is subject to change if conditions warrant, but at least the official stance of the school is that class will be in-person this fall semester.
Just so you all are aware, the UT Provost Office just sent out a long email that said "bla bla bla: we are planning and have every expectation of resuming in-person education at The University of Toledo this fall. bla bla bla" Clearly this is subject to change if conditions warrant, but at least the official stance of the school is that class will be in-person this fall semester.
Hey guys, I was accepted to the program and plan on attending. I’m excited to meet you all And now that we’re accepted... uhh what do we do? Lol. I made my Rocket account and am looking at housing but wondering what else we should be doing rn.
Also looking forward to seeing some Californians! I lived in SoCal for a while.