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tossing acceptances and re-applying
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Calm down Chubby, amph is too skinny for you..
oh, get the stick out of your tushy. yes, i was being dramatic but i think the sentiment is true if you just do a li'l search in pre-allo. most schools ask if you've been accepted, and unless you have a damn good reason (sudden family disaster, etc.), no one will think very highly of you if you turn down an acceptance decide to reapply just to see if you can go somewhere "better."
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Turning down an acceptance to a US allo school is like telling Miss March that you don't want to date her because you were really hoping for a shot at Miss November.
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If going to a big name medical school means a lot to you, and you can afford to take another year, i'd go for it. I'd rather graduate from an Ivy League medical school one year later than I would have had I chosen a state school, and if for no other reason than an awesome piece of paper to hang on the wall.
Plus, if you're getting into mid-tier schools already just reapply to a few of them next year (but not the same ones that accepted you this year), just to cover your azz. Not like your application is gonna be weaker next year.
Plus, if you're getting into mid-tier schools already just reapply to a few of them next year (but not the same ones that accepted you this year), just to cover your azz. Not like your application is gonna be weaker next year.
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I'd be willing to bet the places that accepted him this year won't next year. He'd probably have some problems in those schools' regions, too.
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Honestly, your degree is something that will stick with you for the rest of your life. If going to a non-Ivy school is going to be a source of constant dissappointment for you, I'd say reapply next year. With half the nation applying to medical school with excellent stats/experiences, it seems like acceptance decisions are somewhat arbitrary anyway. You might have more luck next cycle.
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Or you might have less...
I cannot overstate enough how much of a terrible idea I think re-applying when you have an acceptance in hand would be. Where you match is always a function, I think, of the individual student, not the school they're from.
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i really hope you're joking...can't tell though
i think for the most part people who are adamant about going to an ivy or a "top" school are either asian (sorry, but it's true) and/or are trying to make up for their failure to get into these schools for undergrad.
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Hes actually quite a piece of lard.
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No, I wasn't joking. If there was a very real possibility of me being accepted to an Ivy League school next year, as opposed to starting a state med school this year, I would do it.
But i should add, that I would take that risk for nothing less than a top tier (top 10) medical school.
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I vote that this is probably one of the stupidest things I've ever seen lol. Who cares where you went. My dr went to a school I've never even heard of, do you think I care? NO! Suck it up and go where you got accepted. You never know, you may love it.
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this doesn't make any logical sense...i mean anyone who applies with numbers in the range of "top 10" schools don't get accepted to any....not sure what a "very real possibility" means....if you got rejected the first time then what would make you think the second time will be different
....i wonder which of the two categories that explain this phenomenally irrational need to go to a "top" school you fall under...i'm guessing both
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If you have received interviews at top tier schools (like he has), then you are not too far off from being accepted to those schools. Maybe a little more research/shadowing/volunteering and you're in. It is perfectly logical.
Oh, and I have never applied to any top 10 school, for undergrad or med school.
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Hm...here are my thoughts:
1) There are a number of reasons why someone would necessarily want to go to a top tier school and it's not just for the brand name. For example, people who want to go into academic medicine or pursue the more competitive specialties(radiology, opthamology, anesthesiology, dermatology) definitely benefit from going to a top tier school. Does going to a less than top tier school necessarily preclude you from pursuing these options? No. But just like with med school applications - if you come from a top tier undergrad, you may get an interview just by not having any glaring FLAWS on your application; whereas, if you come from anything less, you may need something glaringly EXCEPTIONAL.
2) Patients can see where doctors go to medical school/do their residency and some do care. Does that necesarily mean those who go to the best schools are the best doctors? Again, no. But when you know nothing else about a doctor and are choosing blindly, many patients will choose based on what they know - name brand schools.
With that said, do I think it's a good idea to reapply? It really depends (on where you applied, where you got in, etc. etc.). Up until recently, I was strongly considering reapplication (even though I had acceptances) also. I was dealing with a lot of personal things, applied late, didn't write the best application, and made pretty arbitrary choices when compiling my school list, and only applied to a handful of schools. However, if I did reapply, I'd come back with a stronger (even if you're top tier material, you can still improve) application and apply from a different angle (ex. applying m.d./ph.d, applying to schools that have less/more of a research focus, or maybe applying to schools that have a strong program in caring for the underserved, etc. etc.). I absolutely agree that "I could've done better" probably isn't a good enough explanation.
Keep your fingers crossed though and don't give up! If you're on that many waitlists, writing LOIs may help. And don't worry, even if you're a horrible interviewer, different schools weigh the interviews differently. I.e., I'm pretty sure UPenn interviews do not hold that much weight. UPitt...I'm pretty sure wholely disregards the interviews (ok... that may be an overstatment). Cleveland Clinic seems to put a much heavier emphasis on the essays than the interviews. and Baylor seems to HEAVILY emphasize interviews (unfortunately...).
In anticipation of any backlash - these are just my thoughts and are mostly based on anecdotal evidence. If I made any statements without a qualifier... mentally insert one in.
1) There are a number of reasons why someone would necessarily want to go to a top tier school and it's not just for the brand name. For example, people who want to go into academic medicine or pursue the more competitive specialties(radiology, opthamology, anesthesiology, dermatology) definitely benefit from going to a top tier school. Does going to a less than top tier school necessarily preclude you from pursuing these options? No. But just like with med school applications - if you come from a top tier undergrad, you may get an interview just by not having any glaring FLAWS on your application; whereas, if you come from anything less, you may need something glaringly EXCEPTIONAL.
2) Patients can see where doctors go to medical school/do their residency and some do care. Does that necesarily mean those who go to the best schools are the best doctors? Again, no. But when you know nothing else about a doctor and are choosing blindly, many patients will choose based on what they know - name brand schools.
With that said, do I think it's a good idea to reapply? It really depends (on where you applied, where you got in, etc. etc.). Up until recently, I was strongly considering reapplication (even though I had acceptances) also. I was dealing with a lot of personal things, applied late, didn't write the best application, and made pretty arbitrary choices when compiling my school list, and only applied to a handful of schools. However, if I did reapply, I'd come back with a stronger (even if you're top tier material, you can still improve) application and apply from a different angle (ex. applying m.d./ph.d, applying to schools that have less/more of a research focus, or maybe applying to schools that have a strong program in caring for the underserved, etc. etc.). I absolutely agree that "I could've done better" probably isn't a good enough explanation.
Keep your fingers crossed though and don't give up! If you're on that many waitlists, writing LOIs may help. And don't worry, even if you're a horrible interviewer, different schools weigh the interviews differently. I.e., I'm pretty sure UPenn interviews do not hold that much weight. UPitt...I'm pretty sure wholely disregards the interviews (ok... that may be an overstatment). Cleveland Clinic seems to put a much heavier emphasis on the essays than the interviews. and Baylor seems to HEAVILY emphasize interviews (unfortunately...).
In anticipation of any backlash - these are just my thoughts and are mostly based on anecdotal evidence. If I made any statements without a qualifier... mentally insert one in.
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For a bunch of smart kids you people sure are a bunch of *****s. You want to risk your entire dream to have a more prestigious piece of paper hanging in your office? How vain. And stupid.
Taking this step ensures that you will be rejected next year from the only schools which accepted you this year. So basically you will be reapplying to a list of schools which have already rejected you once. Keep in mind next year's applicant pool will be even more difficult than this year's, so you better have some significant improvements on your application. No, that doesn't mean improved interview skills. The schools will all be comparing your last year's application to the new one. The default option will be reject, unless there is significant reason to reevaluate.
You may not be able to see it now, but you will never look back on that state school diploma and have regrets. You will be in residency and beyond, and realizing it didn't matter at all. The chances are great, however, that you will have regrets next year when you are looking at acceptances to schools you like even less, or possibly even no acceptances at all. When you are reapplying a third time you will have regrets. When you are considering DO and Caribbean because of this mistake, you will have big regrets.
Taking this step ensures that you will be rejected next year from the only schools which accepted you this year. So basically you will be reapplying to a list of schools which have already rejected you once. Keep in mind next year's applicant pool will be even more difficult than this year's, so you better have some significant improvements on your application. No, that doesn't mean improved interview skills. The schools will all be comparing your last year's application to the new one. The default option will be reject, unless there is significant reason to reevaluate.
You may not be able to see it now, but you will never look back on that state school diploma and have regrets. You will be in residency and beyond, and realizing it didn't matter at all. The chances are great, however, that you will have regrets next year when you are looking at acceptances to schools you like even less, or possibly even no acceptances at all. When you are reapplying a third time you will have regrets. When you are considering DO and Caribbean because of this mistake, you will have big regrets.
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Really, I think anyone considering going through this process again after already being accepted is utterly crazy.
Especially in your specific case, fileserver. I submit that nobody knows a specific "formula" that gets you into a top 20. There are people every year who have what is theoretically a "perfect application" who get rejected. You're really going to throw away a guaranteed chance to be a doctor, do a job you love and have financial and job security for the rest of your life... for the chance to MAYBE have the same thing, only with a year of your life lost, a lot more debt, and a slightly prettier piece of paper after med school?
The difference in GPA between a 3.8 and 3.93 is absurdly small (basically, I think everything above a 3.8 is essentially the same), and simply being a graduate is no big deal- it's not like they don't know that the juniors who apply aren't going to be graduates by the time they matriculate. Adcoms know that getting published as an undergrad is often much more a function of luck and latching onto the right lab at the right time than actual ability. So that just leaves your ECs, and I hope that you start some crazy awesome new EC that will just blow the socks off of an adcom, because I think that's what the top 20s are really looking for more than anything- everyone who applies there has stats and research and all the routine pre-med ECs; the people who get in are going to have something truly unique about their application. Just piling on more of the same generic formula isn't going to make a dent at the highest schools in the country.
I cannot think of any situation whatsoever where someone would be justified in reapplying. You can do whatever you want from absolutely any med school in the country; sure, you might enjoy your time a little more if you go to one school over another, but I can't fathom really wasting a year of my life to chase something as intangible as prestige.
Especially in your specific case, fileserver. I submit that nobody knows a specific "formula" that gets you into a top 20. There are people every year who have what is theoretically a "perfect application" who get rejected. You're really going to throw away a guaranteed chance to be a doctor, do a job you love and have financial and job security for the rest of your life... for the chance to MAYBE have the same thing, only with a year of your life lost, a lot more debt, and a slightly prettier piece of paper after med school?
The difference in GPA between a 3.8 and 3.93 is absurdly small (basically, I think everything above a 3.8 is essentially the same), and simply being a graduate is no big deal- it's not like they don't know that the juniors who apply aren't going to be graduates by the time they matriculate. Adcoms know that getting published as an undergrad is often much more a function of luck and latching onto the right lab at the right time than actual ability. So that just leaves your ECs, and I hope that you start some crazy awesome new EC that will just blow the socks off of an adcom, because I think that's what the top 20s are really looking for more than anything- everyone who applies there has stats and research and all the routine pre-med ECs; the people who get in are going to have something truly unique about their application. Just piling on more of the same generic formula isn't going to make a dent at the highest schools in the country.
I cannot think of any situation whatsoever where someone would be justified in reapplying. You can do whatever you want from absolutely any med school in the country; sure, you might enjoy your time a little more if you go to one school over another, but I can't fathom really wasting a year of my life to chase something as intangible as prestige.
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1) Doctors don't ask each other, "So where did you go to med school?" as a means of evaluating competency; 2) There are a number of reasons why a student might elect to go to a state school over an Ivy, with number 1 being money. It makes a lot of economic sense to go to a state school, so nobody could assume you went to any school because you couldn't get in somewhere else.
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To be honest, it's your life. Do what you want...However, the trend is not favorable for re-applicants.
My sister's boyfriend applied the first time around--mind you he had amazing stats, EC, the whole package-- and got interviews at UCLA, Cornell, USC, Vermont, Georgetown, Drexel, Temple, and who knows how many more. He basically interviewed at almost all the schools he applied to. Unfortunately, he got waitlisted and had to re-apply the following year. So, he was like you and decided to apply to the same schools, but earlier this time! Great idea....in theory.
Turned out the schools he interviewed at the previous year were flat-out rejecting him this year. Why you ask? Because his application didn't change all that much in a course of one year. Sure he did more ECs here and there, but what could he have really done to substantially improve his chance in one year? Yes, he improved his interviewing skills in that year, but it didn't matter because he wasn't getting interviews at the schools that interviewed him the previous year. Fortunately for him, he got into a school. Ironically, the school that accepted him was the school that he didn't apply to the first time around. Moral of the story, BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT RE-APPLYING! If you re-apply make SURE you've improved significantly and this is not: (1) Bumping +.02 in GPA, (2) +2-3 in MCAT, or (3) improve interviewing skills. The med schools will scrutinize you a lot harder the second time around.
Like someone said earlier, if a school rejected you once, what makes you think they will have sympathy for you the second time around? Just because you apply earlier does not mean you are a better applicant.
Anyway, enough of my ranking. Good luck on your decision.
My sister's boyfriend applied the first time around--mind you he had amazing stats, EC, the whole package-- and got interviews at UCLA, Cornell, USC, Vermont, Georgetown, Drexel, Temple, and who knows how many more. He basically interviewed at almost all the schools he applied to. Unfortunately, he got waitlisted and had to re-apply the following year. So, he was like you and decided to apply to the same schools, but earlier this time! Great idea....in theory.
Turned out the schools he interviewed at the previous year were flat-out rejecting him this year. Why you ask? Because his application didn't change all that much in a course of one year. Sure he did more ECs here and there, but what could he have really done to substantially improve his chance in one year? Yes, he improved his interviewing skills in that year, but it didn't matter because he wasn't getting interviews at the schools that interviewed him the previous year. Fortunately for him, he got into a school. Ironically, the school that accepted him was the school that he didn't apply to the first time around. Moral of the story, BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT RE-APPLYING! If you re-apply make SURE you've improved significantly and this is not: (1) Bumping +.02 in GPA, (2) +2-3 in MCAT, or (3) improve interviewing skills. The med schools will scrutinize you a lot harder the second time around.
Like someone said earlier, if a school rejected you once, what makes you think they will have sympathy for you the second time around? Just because you apply earlier does not mean you are a better applicant.
Anyway, enough of my ranking. Good luck on your decision.
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I'm going to change the advice I gave previously. To all those considering discarding their current acceptances in favor of pursuing a more prestigious "possible" acceptance during the next cycle, I fully support your decision.
This way, people who actually want to go to medical school will get off the waitlist this year and you guys will learn a valuable lesson next year when you're staring at ZERO acceptances.
I mean, honestly...
This way, people who actually want to go to medical school will get off the waitlist this year and you guys will learn a valuable lesson next year when you're staring at ZERO acceptances.
I mean, honestly...
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Probably? Look, there are big name faculty everywhere, and there are entire departments at so-called top medical schools that are utter disaster zones. This tidy correlation you assume doesn't exist.
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I change my answer.
Definitely decline offers and reapply
In fact, write a letter saying "F.k you, I'm better than you" and reapply. I would rather someone go to that school who deserves it than the idiots posting on here thinking glam and prestige is why people go to medical school.
Definitely decline offers and reapply
In fact, write a letter saying "F.k you, I'm better than you" and reapply. I would rather someone go to that school who deserves it than the idiots posting on here thinking glam and prestige is why people go to medical school.
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Drop your acceptances and reapply - schools will DEFINITELY look favorably on this (why go to podunk state when you can for sure get into Harvard next year?).
Anyone notice how the OP never posted again? :troll:
And with all the other flaming...
(so excited to be able to use that one)
Anyone notice how the OP never posted again? :troll:
And with all the other flaming...
(so excited to be able to use that one)
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Drop your acceptances and reapply - schools will DEFINITELY look favorably on this (why go to podunk state when you can for sure get into Harvard next year?).
Anyone notice how the OP never posted again? :troll:
And with all the other flaming...
It's just baffles me that there are people who actually defend this guy and think it's a valid decision.
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Yeah. Damn that Johns Hopkins. I always knew they were sketchy. Just look at all those DOs they take.
http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/anesthesiology/Education/residency/Match_result07.cfm
And zero tact.
And a nose stuck so far up in the air, it bleeds frequently.
Hm, wonder if it was the personality.
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Yeah, that Johns Hopkins. Man. Same with Harvard and Yale. I can't believe they allow DOs into their residency programs. So are they new, malignant, last chance, not in a good area, headed by a DO, or linked to a third world school?
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It's possible to re-apply. However, the possibility of getting accepted anywhere, is another story.
The whole application process is a crap shoot. You might think it's because you interviewed poorly, the schools might have a different reason for rejecting you. Also, it is common for applicants to overestimate their own worth, and think they have an excellent chance at schools they never really had a chance at to begin with.
You're depressed for getting into two med schools? Just wait until you are a fourth year MS, and realize that the specialty you wanted is out of reach because of your board scores/3rd year grades (which are very random and subjective, so you have no control over how well you do). Don't take what you have for granted, and start preparing for the next stage of your life.
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This is correct based on my experience this past cycle. Many medical schools will ask if you've ever been accepted.
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yea, Penn's medical campus is nice. I get aroused when I walk through it too. Pearlmen Center is ridic, research labs are gorgeous with spectacular views of the city from the conference rooms.
With that said, there are tons of notable faculty from foreign medical schools and state schools and physicians from DOs. If you want examples, ask. They are very accomplished and have become great contributors to science and the school, blah blah blah.
There are a lot of hospitals in Philly, my family and friends are faculty at a few of them and the schools recruit from each other. Few years ago, Temple used to lead the area in heart transplants but now its dominated by Penn. This is partly because penn has recruited the faculty and attendings that were working at Temple, etc. Staff of the schools rotate around the area pretty much. I know a lot of people from temple, jeff that end up going to Penn, and penn people that try to take up positions at the other schools.
Temple and Jeff Ortho splits the services for the sports teams and basically match all of their students into a lot of Philly's ortho spots. Apparently, the sixer's practice at PCOMs facilities, who knew.
Same happens in NYC with sinai and nyu esp, and all the other hospitals, as well.
Remember that hospitals primarily compete in the area, not nationally. Example, say you run a private derm practice - you would benefit a lot more by recruiting a competing doctor from your own city than some guy from far away. You don't really look at what schools they went to, but their work experience (client list) and how much money they bring in. This is true for academic hospitals as well as research. One of the director's for Penn research was faculty at temple a couple of year's ago. I can only see this trickling down to residency too (since you are likely to do research at neighboring schools, etc) and a lot of kids end up matching at the schools in their current city.
ok i have to go but yea, if you are productive and proactive, things will reward you. even if you decide to reapply. However, please note that natural disasters occur, people get pregnant, family members start getting old, and **** happens and these things might delay you from your desired goals. Hopefully, its all good in the end and we all are happy and good to our patients.
Congratulations on your military service BTW. I respect your duty. Congrats to all those accepted as well.
With that said, there are tons of notable faculty from foreign medical schools and state schools and physicians from DOs. If you want examples, ask. They are very accomplished and have become great contributors to science and the school, blah blah blah.
There are a lot of hospitals in Philly, my family and friends are faculty at a few of them and the schools recruit from each other. Few years ago, Temple used to lead the area in heart transplants but now its dominated by Penn. This is partly because penn has recruited the faculty and attendings that were working at Temple, etc. Staff of the schools rotate around the area pretty much. I know a lot of people from temple, jeff that end up going to Penn, and penn people that try to take up positions at the other schools.
Temple and Jeff Ortho splits the services for the sports teams and basically match all of their students into a lot of Philly's ortho spots. Apparently, the sixer's practice at PCOMs facilities, who knew.
Same happens in NYC with sinai and nyu esp, and all the other hospitals, as well.
Remember that hospitals primarily compete in the area, not nationally. Example, say you run a private derm practice - you would benefit a lot more by recruiting a competing doctor from your own city than some guy from far away. You don't really look at what schools they went to, but their work experience (client list) and how much money they bring in. This is true for academic hospitals as well as research. One of the director's for Penn research was faculty at temple a couple of year's ago. I can only see this trickling down to residency too (since you are likely to do research at neighboring schools, etc) and a lot of kids end up matching at the schools in their current city.
ok i have to go but yea, if you are productive and proactive, things will reward you. even if you decide to reapply. However, please note that natural disasters occur, people get pregnant, family members start getting old, and **** happens and these things might delay you from your desired goals. Hopefully, its all good in the end and we all are happy and good to our patients.
Congratulations on your military service BTW. I respect your duty. Congrats to all those accepted as well.
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How do they ask? On the secondaries? Or in interviews? They must be asking if you are a reapplicant who turned down an acceptance in a prior cycle, because I assume you are not talking about interviewers who are digging to find out if you have any acceptances in the present cycle...
If indeed "most" schools ask about this, it is a risk to do it. This is all news to me because I have been reading posts on SDN for 2 years now and have read the exact opposite with the exception of a few schools, but maybe this is the new "question du jour" on secondaries.
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This.
And this.
And this. Let the people who aren't so unapologetically egotistical and ignorant have the spots your acceptances are taking up.
Oh, and this. You're going to be buying at least one book written by UAMS faculty next year - Grant's Dissector - and possibly 2-3. Get over yourself.
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hahaha you b******, you would take the easy asian shot
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Like, totally, for sure, drop your acceptances and have a gnarly re-application process, OP. Be sure to update us on each step as it knocks that absurd sense of entitlement of yours down a few pegs with each utterance of the phrase "NEXT!" by application reviewers.
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I don't think OP will be returning.
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Yeah, he is still sitting on a post count of 1...
We got punked by a troll...Ashton? Is that you?
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Nope. If you get a deferral, it is a contractual thing. You can't reenter the following cycle without dropping the acceptance.
Not too mention it is slimy and unethical as hell...
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Oh for Pete's sake.
PEOPLE. If you are lucky enough to have an acceptance, GO WITH IT. Do not reapply in a future cycle. Do not try to defer. Do not, in any way, shape, or form, try to scheme a way to get out of going to the lower tier school that has you so down.
Many people do not get into medical school. Anywhere. If you have an acceptance, you are privileged and lucky. Instead of trying to find a way into a school that you deem to be more worthy of your epic merits, be content with what you have, and bear in mind that there are plenty of people who would be happy to take that acceptance to U of XYZ off your hands.
PEOPLE. If you are lucky enough to have an acceptance, GO WITH IT. Do not reapply in a future cycle. Do not try to defer. Do not, in any way, shape, or form, try to scheme a way to get out of going to the lower tier school that has you so down.
Many people do not get into medical school. Anywhere. If you have an acceptance, you are privileged and lucky. Instead of trying to find a way into a school that you deem to be more worthy of your epic merits, be content with what you have, and bear in mind that there are plenty of people who would be happy to take that acceptance to U of XYZ off your hands.
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That, and there were other posters who chimed in in agreement. So even if the OP was a troll, these thoughts do lurk in the minds of some pre-meds.
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I don't remember the exact language, but it basically asked if you had ever been accepted to medical school before.
