DrDre' said:
I want to shout out to MMD, JPP, UTSW and Noyac- and to the up and coming attendings on this board. JWK,Trinity, and the pharmacists too.
If it wasn't for the continuing ed i get from you guys, i woul have stopped visiting this board a long time ago.
I am so tired of the trolls on this site.
Why do we attract so many?
DrDre' - I appreciate you noticing me
I try to not abuse the privilege of chatting with all of you and I'm happy to give my statistics to whomever wants them (I've already said I look great in a dress - what more is needed?
) OK - I graduated from UCSF School of Pharmacy in 1977 - have been a practicing pharmacist for 29 years in the SF bay area.....& yes - I have a PharmD.
My husband (a dentist) occasionally reads this thread & his opinion is what occured in his field a few years ago....Dental hygieniest gained the abiity to practice independently & without the supervision of a dentist a few years ago..It caused an uproar in his field - much like yours. However...what happened in actual practice was they didn't want to take on the responsibiltity that came with running a practice - documentation, liability, billing, providing for overhead, scheduling, treatment planning, etc....etc....etc...
His experience is far different from yours, because, like my own surgical experience, we don't choose our anesthesiologists. Patients choose their dentists much like their IM's or pediatricians - they want someone who they can relate to, discuss things with...talk to. However, when I had my surgery earlier this year, altho I trusted my surgeon & had many discussions regarding my surgery....I had only a few moments to tell my anesthesia guy (btw...I did ask if he was an MD/DO & he said there are no anesthesia providers in the hospital I was at who were not) to keep me alive & my brain functioniong - a very short time to develop trust ....& I knew all the awful things that could go wrong! And...as I previously posted...he never made me nauseous - & I never got the chance to thank him for that.
I'm in a bit of the same bind as the rest of you, which, perhaps, is why I like to talk to you all of you (altho we all like drugs I think
)....people think my job is just putting pills in a bottle - easy - just like yours - anybody can do it.....until they try to give Lamictal when they meant Lamisil.
So...IMO - you all might have to come from a different perspective - not that my opinion matters one bit. But....as pharmacists...in hospitals, one malpractice case - one situation of administering vincristine intrathecally for example in the case of pharmacy, can wipe out all hospital profits for years (which actually happened in Texas, UT...). That one circumstance alone justified a chemo pharmacist in all hospitals to review chemo orders before administration - which motivated a JCAHO change.
Perhaps you might consider coming from the perspective of what you prevent, rather than what you do, which could provide justification for yourselves (altho I know it is demeaning to have to justify yourself, particularly if you are an MD/DO - but...you are talking about bean counters). Or...as I have asked in a private message to someone...is this a real fear or a perceived fear (as in the case of dentists)? I honestly am ignorant - I don't work with CRNA's nor do I work with AA's in my area. We have OR techs, but they don't administer anesthesia...so there are areas of the country, like mine, which do not see your situations first hand, but appreciate the concerns which are of issue in other parts of the country. I have, however, worked with the bean counters for years and years.....they don't care, for the most part how good you are (or in my case...how much better a drug is even though its more expensive) - they care how you can cut their losses (perhaps a bit jaded on my part). Are there any anesthesiologists who are also MBA's who give an economic perspective to your practice rather than just a clinical perspective - just a thought....
Nevertheless, I do appreciate the cases you anesthesiologis present - they make me think & make me want to give my perspective on what may have happened retrospectively, even though you actually had to act in the moment. THAT is the difference - as MD's/DO's - you know what to do in the MOMENT! - but...that is just my opinion.......not worth the paper its written on (oh - there is no paper
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However....I will say again.....I do appreciate your indulgence in allowing me to venture forth into drug discussions. I apologize for the length of this post and will say - I'm not sure there is any other medical specialty which has the breadth of drug knowledge you folks have & who I have such profound respect for!