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Does tuition at dental school increase every year?
for instance, if first year costs about 30,000 you can expect to pay about 32,000 the next year?
Am I right guys?
 
I was told at USC there would be an approximate 5% increase per year.
 
UC are expecting a 40% increase in their grad sch tuition.
I consider lucky if the jump is around 10%.
 
We all know that there are two certainties in life: Death and Taxes.

I think it's about time to add a third certainty to that list: dental school tuition increases. 😀
 
Originally posted by UBTom
I think it's about time to add a third certainty to that list: dental school tuition increases. 😀
Maybe we should expand that to inflation in general? I was just griping about gas prices today.

"I remember when I first got my license, and paid $.80/gallon during gas station price wars..." +pity+
 
I guess how much tuition increase every year depends on each schools. Buffalo seems to be increasing their tuition by 3000 dollars every year whereas Nova only increases by 1000.
 
Originally posted by jack604
I guess how much tuition increase every year depends on each schools. Buffalo seems to be increasing their tuition by 3000 dollars every year whereas Nova only increases by 1000.

Really? Where did you pull that from? This means that Tom & I have paid at least $9,000 more in tuition our senior year than we did freshman year. I don't remember a hike that high., if so we would have paid close to double this year than what we paid three years ago.

The dental school has been reasonable with increasing tuition, it goes up a bit, but I believe it has been less than $1000 per year, if that. First year I paid $11,340 in tuition. Fourth year I paid something like $13,000. I don't remember the exact #, it's in my car and it's too cold to go out and get it. That's not too bad of a price increase in my book. Better than the 5% at USC.
 
Originally posted by UBTom
We all know that there are two certainties in life: Death and Taxes.

I think it's about time to add a third certainty to that list: dental school tuition increases. 😀

I'll add one more, increase cost of California schools, gas, cars...everything. I love Cali, but I hate payin' up the you know what for everything!!!
 
Originally posted by griffin04
Really? Where did you pull that from? This means that Tom & I have paid at least $9,000 more in tuition our senior year than we did freshman year. I don't remember a hike that high., if so we would have paid close to double this year than what we paid three years ago.

The dental school has been reasonable with increasing tuition, it goes up a bit, but I believe it has been less than $1000 per year, if that. First year I paid $11,340 in tuition. Fourth year I paid something like $13,000. I don't remember the exact #, it's in my car and it's too cold to go out and get it. That's not too bad of a price increase in my book. Better than the 5% at USC.
That's crazy, Griff. My in-state tuition started at something like 15 grand, total school expenses around 26. Then again, things get cheaper as we go...this year's resident D4's are only paying $19k or so. At least *that* hook gets less sharp with time 😎
 
Bill, I was just talking about tuition. After you add in fees (student fee, VitalCrap license, clinic rental fee, supply purchase, computer fee, lab fee, etc) & living expenses, you're looking at low $30,000 per year. First year is more expensive than by the time you get to senior year b/c there is a lot more junk you have to buy that year that you use all 4 years - articulator, laptop, tacklebox, PKT carvers, sticky wax, you get the picture.
 
I am sorry griffin04. I was refering to the tuition increase for out-of-staters. For out of staters, the tuition at Buffalo was 21,940 dollars in year 2002-2003. Now it is 26200. So, past 2 years tuition alone increased about 2000 dollars each year. On top of that there is a increase in student activity fees, health insurance, and etc. All in all there are slightly more than 3000 dollars increase every year.
Plus, buffalo now requires D1 to buy a labtop which costs about 3500.
🙁
 
I've touched on this one before, but it seems to be a recurring topic.

Bottom line is this: Many state university professional schools are considering huge increases in tuition rates. Logic is as follows. The primary purpose of state universities is to provide state residents an inexpensive education up to the bachelors degree level. Beyond that, tax payers should not be expected to subsidize the education of professionals who will go on to earn much more in life time income than the average tax payer. I find it hard to argue with that logic. Anyone care to try? Please spare me the old saw about society needing to attract the best in as much as the higher cost private professional schools sure don't have to go slumming in order to fill all of their openings.
 
I am sorry griffin04. I was refering to the tuition increase for out-of-staters. For out of staters, the tuition at Buffalo was 21,940 dollars in year 2002-2003. Now it is 26200. So, past 2 years tuition alone increased about 2000 dollars each year. On top of that there is a increase in student activity fees, health insurance, and etc. All in all there are slightly more than 3000 dollars increase every year.
Plus, buffalo now requires D1 to buy a labtop which costs about 3500.

Damn...Buffalo is more expensive than I thought!! But you instate residents have it made!!! But one thing that should be pointed out about Buffalo is that after one year, you can claim instate residency and pay instate tuition for your remaining 3 years, so its still pretty sweet...except for the Canadians of course...Gotta pay out-of-state tuition for the entire 4 years 🙁

The primary purpose of state universities is to provide state residents an inexpensive education up to the bachelors degree level. Beyond that, tax payers should not be expected to subsidize the education of professionals who will go on to earn much more in life time income than the average tax payer.

Amen to that! In Canada, the government always complains about a lack of funding for university tuition, but they always used to subsidize the tuition for professional students...my cousin who graduated from Toronto dental in 1991 was paying like $2000 US/year!!! Because the govt was subsidizing it all!! But thats not the case anymore and thank god...now professional school tuitions such as law, dental and med have gone up a lot, and rightfuly so, in my opinion. Toronto dental is now like $20000 US/year with instruments.....take the money from professionals and give it to undergrads....the current tuition for a fulltime undergrad in Canada is around $3700 US/year but rising....
 
My tuition (not material):

1988 $12,000
1989 $14,000
1990 $16,000
1991 $18,000
 
Originally posted by groundhog
I've touched on this one before, but it seems to be a recurring topic.

Bottom line is this: Many state university professional schools are considering huge increases in tuition rates. Logic is as follows. The primary purpose of state universities is to provide state residents an inexpensive education up to the bachelors degree level. Beyond that, tax payers should not be expected to subsidize the education of professionals who will go on to earn much more in life time income than the average tax payer. I find it hard to argue with that logic. Anyone care to try? Please spare me the old saw about society needing to attract the best in as much as the higher cost private professional schools sure don't have to go slumming in order to fill all of their openings.
The trouble with that justification isn't so much the logic itself, as the arbitrary place the government choose to cut it off. Sure, it sounds nice to say "people shouldn't have to pay for public services they're not ever going to get to use," except that doesn't wash.

A few reasons I can pop out off the top of my head: first, the reduction in cost isn't just some sort of charitable subsidy for graduate students; they're getting a discount because they've (usually) been paying into the system for several years, and the whole point and philosophy of public service is that anyone who pays taxes and is qualified receives the benefit of those services. It might be a dumb philosophy or it might be a good one, but regardless, it's currently the rule of the road.

Second, it's to the advantage of the government to entice these people to stay in-state to practice after graduation. Suppose the government pays 1/3 of the cost of my DDS, call it $50,000. Over the course of my career, I'm going to expend exponentially more in taxes and disposable income than if I'd gone directly to work with my bachelor's, and so the government is going to recoup that $50,000 probably several times over by the time I stop working. To that end, I think it'd be a smart move on the part of state governments to allow for after-the-fact residency establishment for dental/medical/whatever school students; that is, the student is granted immediate residency status for purposes of paying tuition and fees, in exchange for a one-to-one agreement for the student to live and practice in the state after graduation. For those that agree, after spending four years establishing a career and laying down roots, I think the states would notice a substantial uptick in the number of nonresident students staying for the long haul after graduation. Doing that would not only bring an influx of nonresident "immigrants," but the distribution would be skewed in the direction of the most educated and highly paid individuals.

In a nutshell, groundhog, that's what I'd like to see happen, and why I think treating resident students like out-of-staters is an exquisitely bad idea 😉
 
Originally posted by jack604
I am sorry griffin04. I was refering to the tuition increase for out-of-staters. For out of staters, the tuition at Buffalo was 21,940 dollars in year 2002-2003. Now it is 26200. So, past 2 years tuition alone increased about 2000 dollars each year. On top of that there is a increase in student activity fees, health insurance, and etc. All in all there are slightly more than 3000 dollars increase every year.
Plus, buffalo now requires D1 to buy a labtop which costs about 3500.
🙁

I know about the laptop requirement - I am typing this post from my dinosaur G3 Macintosh right now.

Again, I don't know where you're getting your numbers from. From my "Student Expenses" sheets I have here in front of me, an out of state student paid $22,940 in tuition in Fall 2001. In Fall 2003, an out of state student paid $26,200. Incidentally, the in-state tuitions were $11,340 for fall 2001 and $13,300 in fall 2003. I can't find the sheet for Fall 2002, so I don't have those numbers on hand.

At the bottom of the 2001 - 2002 "Student Expenses" sheet, there is a foot note that says "Tuition is expected to increase by $500 (resident) and $1000 (nonresident) per year through the 2004/2005 academic year. So these would be the tuition rises you are complaining about. If you are Canadian, then you pay close to $200,000 for the 4 years of dental school since you'd have to pay out-of-state fees for 4 years. When I look at it now, you're probably better off going to Nova or somewhere warm for 4 years at that price! But if you are a permanent resident of the US or a citizen, then you will qualify for in-state tuition after 1 year and that is a pretty nice deal.

Not all the fees went up. Some of them did, but not by much.
 
Originally posted by groundhog
I've touched on this one before, but it seems to be a recurring topic.

Bottom line is this: Many state university professional schools are considering huge increases in tuition rates. Logic is as follows. The primary purpose of state universities is to provide state residents an inexpensive education up to the bachelors degree level. Beyond that, tax payers should not be expected to subsidize the education of professionals who will go on to earn much more in life time income than the average tax payer. I find it hard to argue with that logic. Anyone care to try? Please spare me the old saw about society needing to attract the best in as much as the higher cost private professional schools sure don't have to go slumming in order to fill all of their openings.


For UNC, this is accurate. The state's need for funding of the UNC system has largely been shouldered by both out of state students and graduate/professional. My tuition has increased significantly each year, while I don't feel like the quality of my education has comparatively improved.
 
My tuition may sound like a bargain but check this out:

If I'd put the $60,000 in the stock of Dell computers in Sept of 1988, how much do you think I'd have? How about 22.3 million dollars. Get me a gun, I wanna shoot myself...

If I put the first year's tuition not the material ($12,000), I'd have 4.5 million.

Wait wait wait, it gets worse. How about if I'd just put the $2000 deposit in DELL? I'd have $745,000.

Now you have to consider that DELL is half of its highest price (in 2000) and we have gone through 3 major crashes , 2 wars, and a terrorist act on our country. Not bad , eh?

now you can say Dentistry sux+pissed+ +pissed+

(IPO of Dell in 1988 was $8.5, and with all the splits your one share would be 96 shares if you'd held, check my math I may be wrong)
 
Originally posted by thisisit
If I'd put the $60,000 in the stock of Dell computers in Sept of 1988, how much do you think I'd have? How about 22.3 million dollars. Get me a gun, I wanna shoot myself...

Cheer up doc. Nobody could predict the future of the stock market, and back in the 1980s definitely nobody could have known that DULL, Microshaft or Inhell would be the computer companies they are today. 😀

At least as a dentist you are assured of being able to make a comfortable living without the risk of losing everything including your shirt! And in 1988 that would have been a REAL possibility of you losing your shirt in the tech stocks, because back then any of the computer houses have a VERY real chance of going under due to cutthroat competition among companies such as Gateway, Digital, Micron, Apple, HP, Compaq, etc. And nobody could have predicted that Dull would come out of that pack 10 years later.
 
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