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Starting a new thread for those that may be applying to Tulane's master in Pharmacology.

I have applied and was marked complete today.

Are there any former students out there that would like to discuss the program?

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Current student, about 2/3 of the way through the program. I, along with probably a third to half of the class, am applying after this cycle, while the balance of the class is applying this cycle. Out of those, 5 have received acceptances so far.

I think it's a great program, and the clinical aspect (i.e., taking a second rather than first year medical student class) makes it tremendously interesting. I have a heavy undergrad background in biochemistry and cell biology, so instead of re-taking those at an SMP level I get to take clinical pharmacology and various supporting courses. It's almost like M2-lite.
 
Current student, about 2/3 of the way through the program. I, along with probably a third to half of the class, am applying after this cycle, while the balance of the class is applying this cycle. Out of those, 5 have received acceptances so far.

I think it's a great program, and the clinical aspect (i.e., taking a second rather than first year medical student class) makes it tremendously interesting. I have a heavy undergrad background in biochemistry and cell biology, so instead of re-taking those at an SMP level I get to take clinical pharmacology and various supporting courses. It's almost like M2-lite.

About how many are in the program?
 
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Do you know of any ties to Tulane med? Like is there a strong chance that most of the class that lands a gpa above X in the program will get an interview to Tulane?
 
Do you know of any ties to Tulane med? Like is there a strong chance that most of the class that lands a gpa above X in the program will get an interview to Tulane?

There are no official linkages, unlike, e.g., the Tulane ACP program, but Tulane and LSU-Nola both look favorably upon applicants who do well. As I understand it, Tulane heavily emphasizes the MCAT, meaning if one scores below a 31, one will likely be screened out. Students with a better undergrad record (i.e., those applying this year) and a sufficiently high MCAT score are generally offered an interview, provided they do well, and a good performance here in addition to a high MCAT can balance a poor undergrad GPA after the program is done.

I think one person has gotten into Tulane, one other has gotten an interview, and the rest are still waiting to hear back, but I don't know how many have actually applied here this cycle. No one from the program this year has been rejected from Tulane yet this cycle.

The overall success rate is 80% for students to matriculate into a US medical, dental, or doctoral program either during or following the completion of the program.
 
When you say LSU NO looks favorably on the program what kind of acceptance rate into that school are you aware of? Also what other school do most people from this program do you hear people commonly getting into?
 
When you say LSU NO looks favorably on the program what kind of acceptance rate into that school are you aware of? Also what other school do most people from this program do you hear people commonly getting into?

I honestly couldn't give you hard statistics. I know at least one got in to LSU during the year last year, and several more are applying this year, but beyond that I can't say for sure. Quite a few end up at Tulane, historically, but the program doesn't really have other schools it traditionally 'feeds' in to, as far as I know. Alums from the program may be able to correct me on this.
 
I honestly couldn't give you hard statistics. I know at least one got in to LSU during the year last year, and several more are applying this year, but beyond that I can't say for sure. Quite a few end up at Tulane, historically, but the program doesn't really have other schools it traditionally 'feeds' in to, as far as I know. Alums from the program may be able to correct me on this.

It seems like Tulane Med holds off until dead last minute to deal with you guys. I am still waiting to here back from a few other programs but Tulane looks good.
 
It seems like Tulane Med holds off until dead last minute to deal with you guys. I am still waiting to here back from a few other programs but Tulane looks good.
Freshbagels, what a guy!! WorldChanger36- I don't know if I would say tulane waits until dead last minute to deal with us. We go into the applicant pool the same way all other applicants do. I think we are up to 6 interviews at tulane and two acceptances, one of those was early decision so he found out in October. Dr.Beckman (the dean of Tulane med admissions) is heavily intertwined in our curriculum ( teaches us a handfull of lectures in the fall and has an entire class on the endocrine system in the spring), at this point she knows us all by name more or less which can't hurt in you tulane application process. She also has all of us meet with her on an individual basis to discuss strengths and weaknesses on our applications as well as basically telling us what we would need to get into tulane (she can be a little blunt which upset one of my friends so go in with thick skin). Basically, this program won't guarantee you into tulane but should give you a nice edge, you are showing immense intrest in the school and proving you can handle the med curriculum. About the ACP- it does not guarentee you into the med school but has like an 80% acceptance rate so if getting an actual masters degree isn't important to you and you have been waitlisted at a medical school but tulane is still your #1 I would give that program a little more thought.
 
Freshbagels, what a guy!! WorldChanger36- I don't know if I would say tulane waits until dead last minute to deal with us. We go into the applicant pool the same way all other applicants do. I think we are up to 6 interviews at tulane and two acceptances, one of those was early decision so he found out in October. Dr.Beckman (the dean of Tulane med admissions) is heavily intertwined in our curriculum ( teaches us a handfull of lectures in the fall and has an entire class on the endocrine system in the spring), at this point she knows us all by name more or less which can't hurt in you tulane application process. She also has all of us meet with her on an individual basis to discuss strengths and weaknesses on our applications as well as basically telling us what we would need to get into tulane (she can be a little blunt which upset one of my friends so go in with thick skin). Basically, this program won't guarantee you into tulane but should give you a nice edge, you are showing immense intrest in the school and proving you can handle the med curriculum. About the ACP- it does not guarentee you into the med school but has like an 80% acceptance rate so if getting an actual masters degree isn't important to you and you have been waitlisted at a medical school but tulane is still your #1 I would give that program a little more thought.


Accepted today to the program. I am not final on my decidion to go here yet as I still want to here back from USF IMS which will be in April and I have in interview at Nova's DO program. Still alot of things that could happen but I am very happy about this. Anybody else sold out on this program?
 
Accepted today to the program. I am not final on my decidion to go here yet as I still want to here back from USF IMS which will be in April and I have in interview at Nova's DO program. Still alot of things that could happen but I am very happy about this. Anybody else sold out on this program?
Congratulations! That is great news! Do you have any opinion on the following?

Thanks!

Of the following 4 programs, I would appreciate opinions on which would position best for med school:

In Tulane's School of Medicine:
1. Anatomy masters
2. Pharmacology masters

In Tulane's School of Science and Engineering:

3. Neuroscience masters
4. Cell and molecular biology masters
 
Congratulations! That is great news! Do you have any opinion on the following?

Thanks!

Of the following 4 programs, I would appreciate opinions on which would position best for med school:

In Tulane's School of Medicine:
1. Anatomy masters
2. Pharmacology masters

In Tulane's School of Science and Engineering:

3. Neuroscience masters
4. Cell and molecular biology masters

At Tulane, the ACP (Anatomy Certification Program) is the best choice for students who are planning on med school. However, class size is very limited (~15 kids), is competitive to get in to, and requires one be waitlisted at another MD school before they'll consider you. Historically, every student who beats the medical school average in the M1 anatomy class is accepted to Tulane Med the following year.

The Pharmacology M.S. is the second most well-established program and is the one I am doing now. It involves a second year med school course and accessory or supporting graduate work - I really enjoy this type of clinical approach as opposed to the more basic science-centered one, as my undergraduate coursework featured extensive basic science classes. 80% of students are accepted to MD/DO schools within two years of completing the program.

The Anatomy M.S. is a new program that was spun out of ACP. It involves taking the first-year medical courses Anatomy, Histology, and Neuroscience, along with several journal-club type classes. I don't know much about it (it's quite recent), but it involves several medical courses so it will definitely bolster your application.

The non-med M.S. degrees (cell/mol bio & neuroscience) involve a lot more upper-division undergraduate or introductory graduate school courses and are both taught exclusively at the uptown (non-medical) campus. I think they are more flexible in terms of getting students prepared for a variety of career goals, but they are newer and less established in terms of getting people admitted into medical school. Notably, the Cell/Mol bio M.S. costs roughly half of what the other three M.S. programs do, which can be a real positive if you are concerned about debt. They both have good opportunities to incorporate lab research into the curriculum if that's what you're interested in.

If I had to rank the programs in terms of getting someone into med school, I'd say:

ACP > Pharmacology > M.S Anatomy > Cell/Mol Bio > Neuroscience.
 
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At Tulane, the ACP (Anatomy Certification Program) is the best choice for students who are planning on med school. However, class size is very limited (~15 kids), is competitive to get in to, and requires one be waitlisted at another MD school before they'll consider you. Historically, every student who beats the medical school average in the M1 anatomy class is accepted to Tulane Med the following year.

The Pharmacology M.S. is the second most well-established program and is the one I am doing now. It involves a second year med school course and accessory or supporting graduate work - I really enjoy this type of clinical approach as opposed to the more basic science-centered one, as my undergraduate coursework featured extensive basic science classes. 80% of students are accepted to MD/DO schools within two years of completing the program.

The Anatomy M.S. is a new program that was spun out of ACP. It involves taking the first-year medical courses Anatomy, Histology, and Neuroscience, along with several journal-club type classes. I don't know much about it (it's quite recent), but it involves several medical courses so it will definitely bolster your application.

The non-med M.S. degrees (cell/mol bio & neuroscience) involve a lot more upper-division undergraduate or introductory graduate school courses and are both taught exclusively at the uptown (non-medical) campus. I think they are more flexible in terms of getting students prepared for a variety of career goals, but they are newer and less established in terms of getting people admitted into medical school. Notably, the Cell/Mol bio M.S. costs roughly half of what the other three M.S. programs do, which can be a real positive if you are concerned about debt. They both have good opportunities to incorporate lab research into the curriculum if that's what you're interested in.

If I had to rank the programs in terms of getting someone into med school, I'd say:

ACP > Pharmacology > M.S Anatomy > Cell/Mol Bio > Neuroscience.
Thanks very much! I appreciate it.
 
Congratulations! That is great news! Do you have any opinion on the following?

Thanks!

Of the following 4 programs, I would appreciate opinions on which would position best for med school:

In Tulane's School of Medicine:
1. Anatomy masters
2. Pharmacology masters

In Tulane's School of Science and Engineering:

3. Neuroscience masters
4. Cell and molecular biology masters

I am really not in a good place to comment. Pharma masters is a great place to start but it isn't my top choice.
 
I am leaning much more towards this program so I went ahead and paid the deposit ( Bye bye 500 bucks). Where are the better places to live for this program? I don't have a car so too far from campus is not recommended. Also What can we expect for financial aid and when does it commonly pay out?
 
I have a question for you guys that are in the program and applied to Tulane med this cycle... When did you guys turn in your secondaries? Did you wait for grades from the first semester or just updated Tulane when grades came in? Did you guys meet with the program director and follow her advise or go your own way and what were your results?

I am weighing options between two programs and I really want the best shot for me. I currently have completed an SMP like masters program and this should boost my app a little bit.
 
Just a quick heads up for anyone applying to Pharm and ACP. I applied to both a few years ago, was quickly accepted into Pharm and subsequently got into ACP. I had already sent my $500 to the Pharm department but upon being accepted to ACP, I called the Pharm department and explained my situation, stating that I would matriculate into another Tulane program. A week later, I got a full refund of my Pharm deposit.

Worth asking if you find yourself with two good options to come to the Crescent City.
 
Just a quick heads up for anyone applying to Pharm and ACP. I applied to both a few years ago, was quickly accepted into Pharm and subsequently got into ACP. I had already sent my $500 to the Pharm department but upon being accepted to ACP, I called the Pharm department and explained my situation, stating that I would matriculate into another Tulane program. A week later, I got a full refund of my Pharm deposit.

Worth asking if you find yourself with two good options to come to the Crescent City.

Where are most of the classes for the pharmacology program? I can find the room numbers but not what bldg?

What part of town should I try to live on?
 
They're at the School of Medicine building downtown. I'd recommend living in the uptown area, it's cheaper than downtown and is where most of the grad/med students end up. The Undergrad campus is uptown, so you will be closer to the student nightlife areas, the gym, and the library, if any of those are important to you

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They're at the School of Medicine building downtown. I'd recommend living in the uptown area, it's cheaper than downtown and is where most of the grad/med students end up. The Undergrad campus is uptown, so you will be closer to the student nightlife areas, the gym, and the library, if any of those are important to you

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That is where I was hoping for however the SO is really fond of the Garden district and Mid city. In the end we shall see.
 
One of the things that I really like about this program is the volunteer aspect. What kind of work and opportunities do you guys commonly have? About how many hours do you guys put in working in poor communities?

Also in regards to employment, are there any medical scribes working in the hospitals apart of the pharmacology program or do you guys work other jobs?
 
That is where I was hoping for however the SO is really fond of the Garden district and Mid city. In the end we shall see.

Ultimately, you can live wherever - The Garden district in particular is just going to be more expensive and less conducive to "student life", so to speak. We have people commuting from as far as Chalmette and multiple folks that live in Metairie, so where you live is more a matter of personal preference than anything else.

One of the things that I really like about this program is the volunteer aspect. What kind of work and opportunities do you guys commonly have? About how many hours do you guys put in working in poor communities?

Also in regards to employment, are there any medical scribes working in the hospitals apart of the pharmacology program or do you guys work other jobs?

We have quite a few days set aside for Habitat for Humanity, and most of the class has done multiple days of service with them. That aside, there are many other opportunities to volunteer as well if you're proactive, and, depending on what part of the year you're in, you should have plenty of time to honor at least a weekly volunteering commitment. Some blocks (e.g., Cardiovascular) are more difficult than others, your free time depends on how much you need to study for class.

That said, there really is a lot of available time to volunteer and plenty of opportunities to do so if you're inclined.

Most people don't work - they don't have time. In terms of scribing, the Ochsner hospitals occasionally hires scribes, and Scribe America apparently operates down here, but I don't know any more specifics other than that.
 
Ultimately, you can live wherever - The Garden district in particular is just going to be more expensive and less conducive to "student life", so to speak. We have people commuting from as far as Chalmette and multiple folks that live in Metairie, so where you live is more a matter of personal preference than anything else.



We have quite a few days set aside for Habitat for Humanity, and most of the class has done multiple days of service with them. That aside, there are many other opportunities to volunteer as well if you're proactive, and, depending on what part of the year you're in, you should have plenty of time to honor at least a weekly volunteering commitment. Some blocks (e.g., Cardiovascular) are more difficult than others, your free time depends on how much you need to study for class.

That said, there really is a lot of available time to volunteer and plenty of opportunities to do so if you're inclined.

Most people don't work - they don't have time. In terms of scribing, the Ochsner hospitals occasionally hires scribes, and Scribe America apparently operates down here, but I don't know any more specifics other than that.

I am going to head down to New Orleans in May so I can lock in a good apartment. If nobody in the program works that would make it kind of hard to meet the apartment's income requirements. I guess the wife is going to have to find a job there sooner then planned.
 
I am choosing between UCSD's Post bac program and Tulane's Pharmacology SMP. Any thoughts on which one is better? I Tulane's program has a higher rate of getting accepted to medical schools I will go there in an instant because of the cost. But at the same time UCSD boasts a 85% acceptance rate... so hard of a choice...
 
I am choosing between UCSD's Post bac program and Tulane's Pharmacology SMP. Any thoughts on which one is better? I Tulane's program has a higher rate of getting accepted to medical schools I will go there in an instant because of the cost. But at the same time UCSD boasts a 85% acceptance rate... so hard of a choice...

You need to be careful with the whole acceptance rate thing because school often include things that you may not. For example some school include people that get in within two years of completing a program, some include dental students, some factor in undergraduates as well as graduates, some include those accepted to carib schools and some even include those accepted to PA schools and other programs. You need to do more then compare acceptance ratios/ percentage you have to dig deep and figure out where these numbers come from. What if a school boasted a 90 acceptance rate to medical school but once you get there you find out that that number only reflects in state students to the one school they have in that state and guess what you are out of state and now you are stuck in a program that will not help you but you have to finish. Dig deep and don't just trust what people say on here, look at their post counts high post count means they are likely to be an active member, lower post counts they could be anybody from admins of the school trying to sell people on it to students that love the program and ignore its faults. Look for critical reviews of these programs if a program doesn't have anything except wow this program is so awesome, dig deeper. There is no such thing a program that doesn't have anything they could do better.

The reviews from Tulane I have seen show its ups and downs. People are not afraid they will be punished if they post things on here and it isn't all roses. I am confident in my choice with this program and will be here in the summer.
 
Not necessarily; I applied in late May and was accepted in early June. Dr Clarkson, the program coordinator, did say that the class was filling up more quickly than usual this year, though.

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Ok then... I just always figure I get picked last for this kind of stuff ha... Best of luck

Thanks, I'm definitely, really late...that's why I e-mailed them haha, but who knows--will keep you guys updated!
 
Thanks, I'm definitely, really late...that's why I e-mailed them haha, but who knows--will keep you guys updated!

Let us know!

I threw my application into the mix too, just haven't paid yet. 😀
 
Do you guys know how strict they are about the 3.0 or higher GPA for competitive admission? There is no minimum GPA listed.
 
I was accepted with a 2.7 and no MCAT (169V/159Q/5.5W GRE). If you have some sort of redeeming factor that shows your GPA is not indicative of your abilities or potential, they'll accept you.

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How long were y'alls statements of purpose?

One webpage shows a limit of two pages, and the general admissions website shows that it should not exceed 500 words?
 
Hello,

I've been accepted into Tulane MS Neuroscience and I'm looking for a roommate. If anyone here has been accepted into the MS Pharm program and is interested, please pvt me.

Thanks.
 
Application Submitted: May 20
Application Complete: ~May 23

Acceptance Letter: May 28



Anyone else want to chime in?
 
Accepted and most likely attending 🙂.

Has anyone started looking for housing yet?
 
To anyone in the Tulane program last year and took the pharmacology shelf exam. How does the program grade these scores? I know the school has a ton of different options in how they grade and treat these scores. In the program I just finish I did not do so hot ( 490 on neuroanatomy 49th percentile nationally and 470 on medical physiology 38th percentile nationally) it is obvious as to why these scores are what they are ( had to self study everything, had to take both tests within 10 mins of each other and I knew nothing about the pharmacology parts of both of these tests).

I really just don't know what to expect in this program and it is my last hope to pull me out of the abyss of average grades. How did most of you guys do on the pharmacology shelf? What does the program consider a passing score?

Another question How did the leaving class do in respect to getting into medical school ( of those that applied) ? Did everyone get in someplace or are there a few reapp-ers?

Thanks
 
Accepted and most likely attending 🙂.

Has anyone started looking for housing yet?

I have been working on housing for the last couple of months. Finding a place is really easy however, finding a nice place... takes a bit more work. I just recently got married so my wife really wanted a nice apartment in an apartment community. While there are quite a few around they are all pretty much brand new and start around 850 for a one bedroom. All of them have a waiting list. My wife was set on something in the garden district so we settled on a community there. However there are some great ones ( and forgive me if i get the neighborhoods wrong) in mid city and the busness district that we were very impressed with but were not willing to pay for ... One was the Falstaff apartment ( converted from the old Falstaff brewery) on the outside it looks rough but step inside and well you will be impressed. The other was The preserve ( converted from the old Crystal preserves factory , old factory to awesome apartments is a theme in this town) just like the Falstaff, outside feels like a factory inside is awesome. This town has this mixed together feel that is deceptive to those that are not used to seeing it. You can be on one street and swear you were in the middle of compton but go two streets over and boom a beautiful artsy neighborhood. Interesting thing too is that in most cities different races commonly live in different neighborhood but in New Orleans it is truely a melting pot the different development projects have blended everyone together black, white, asian and of many different incomes too. It is a beautiful thing to be honest but for many people it can scare them off. My point of this is just because the neighborhood may look rough doesn't mean it is. Take a good look around and talk to different people. If you want to save money criags list is really helpful but beware there are a lot of scammers and crappy places on craigs list. So don't rent any thing until you have eyes on it first and made sure everything works.

I also would like to point out that if you don't have a car you can save money and will be able to get around just fine. The mass transit in this city is some of the best I have seen ( only Miami was better) and you never have to worry about parking. I hope somebody finds this helpful and if I misrepresented something feel free to correct me.
 
The Facebook page has over 42 people on it but this seems to be a mix of last years and this years. Can't really tell exactly but if you count last year you may get a better idea. Check out the website for that info
 
To anyone in the Tulane program last year and took the pharmacology shelf exam. How does the program grade these scores? I know the school has a ton of different options in how they grade and treat these scores. In the program I just finish I did not do so hot ( 490 on neuroanatomy 49th percentile nationally and 470 on medical physiology 38th percentile nationally) it is obvious as to why these scores are what they are ( had to self study everything, had to take both tests within 10 mins of each other and I knew nothing about the pharmacology parts of both of these tests).

The NBME shelf is modified by the Med Pharm course director to only include drugs that were covered in our curriculum. It's scored with a percentage, out of ~115 questions. Due to the non-standard nature of the test, there aren't national comparisons -- only ones to the current and past Tulane medical students.

I really just don't know what to expect in this program and it is my last hope to pull me out of the abyss of average grades. How did most of you guys do on the pharmacology shelf? What does the program consider a passing score?

All students get a slight upward adjustment to their score (it varies year to year, and is based on the medical student class average and shelf average), and the adjusted master's shelf stats for 2013 were: mean 82.6%, SD 10.1%, low 61.1%, high 101.1%.

For comparison, the medical school stats were: mean 87.7%, SD 10.6%, low 59.7%, high 103.2%.

In terms of overall class average performance, the M.S. Med Pharm average was 85.6% in the fall and 89.7% in the spring. The T2 class average was 87% for both semesters combined.

Passing is anything above an 80%, although some classes were curved as much as 10%. It's a hard program, but generally the master's students outperform the med students by a few percentage points on all of the tests, with the exception of the shelf.

Another question How did the leaving class do in respect to getting into medical school ( of those that applied) ? Did everyone get in someplace or are there a few reapp-ers?

Thanks

I don't have firm numbers on this. I would say half of the class did not apply this year, and of the half that did apply, 8 were accepted to an MD or DO school. Everyone who had to re-apply was complete pretty late, so take that for what it's worth.
 
What is a better option? Thesis or non thesis track. I enjoy research but I have no idea the benefit or the time I would have to put in the lab doing bench research. I am also curious if anybody went from this program into the phd program?
 
Is there a reason why this program doesn't accept PCAT scores? I mean, pharmacology is useful to know for a pharmacist... a pharmacist is applying pharmacology so that one can safely dispense medicine!
 
Is there a reason why this program doesn't accept PCAT scores? I mean, pharmacology is useful to know for a pharmacist... a pharmacist is applying pharmacology so that one can safely dispense medicine!

The PCAT is the Pharmacy College Admissions Test. Tulane is not a College of Pharmacy, nor does its pharmacology degree qualify you for a pharmacist license. Nor does the PCAT test much that would predict success in a pharmacology masters program.
 
The PCAT is the Pharmacy College Admissions Test. Tulane is not a College of Pharmacy, nor does its pharmacology degree qualify you for a pharmacist license. Nor does the PCAT test much that would predict success in a pharmacology masters program.

But there are pre-pharms who would consider attending the pharmacology program as a record-enhancer for pharmacy school.
 
But there are pre-pharms who would consider attending the pharmacology program as a record-enhancer for pharmacy school.

You're not understanding his answer. The program is MADE for pre-med/pre-dental students in mind that have strong interest in entering Tulane SOM/SOD. All because the program includes classes pharmacy students might benefit doesn't mean it would suit them for the program.

https://tulane.edu/som/departments/pharmacology/masters/
 
But there are pre-pharms who would consider attending the pharmacology program as a record-enhancer for pharmacy school.

So your argument is basically that people who are interested in becoming pharmacists may also be interested in a Pharmacology Masters program, therefore the Masters program should accept PCAT scores?

OK. Well, some people who go to med school might also want a PhD in physiology. Does that mean all those other programs should accept their MCAT score? Or do they still have to take the GRE?

Bottom line: aptitude tests are useless for degree programs other than the specific one for which they purportedly measure aptitude. And the PCAT is questionable even for that.
 
A couple questions to those current students in the program:
1. How is it living in New Orleans?
2. What is the diversity like in the program?
3. Geographically, are most of the students from the south-east united states? I'd be coming in from Oregon...
4. Have there ever been students with 3.0uGPA do well in this program and then make it to med school?

Thank you so much! I appreciate it!
 
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