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MirrorTodd said:
Anyone who still likes Musk care to explain this?




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I just read up on this (which I should've done sooner). After passing this lil nugget on several times in the OR I have now found that there is no proof this is legit. Currently there is more evidence that Joe Biden is "the big guy" who was getting a 10% take than there is evidence of this being true. Do you care to explain why you are okay spreading this misinformation but you tried to shut down investigation of Hunter Biden possibly funneling money to Joe Biden?

(I hate finding out that I have been peddling lies and it makes me infinitely skeptical thereon of people that dupe me.)
 
agammaglobulin said:
Don't know what to say to this...😳 Is it real??
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Nope. No proof for or against it. It was originally flagged false. But more recently got downgraded (upgraded?) to neither true or false as there is no evidence. Makes me wonder if they changed their position once Elon changed his position....🤔
Onefellswoop87 said:
Maybe it’s semantics but is a plane’s coordinates really doxxing? Doesn’t doxxing imply that someone can go to location to likely cause trouble?
If I give you latitude and longitude that corresponds to a specific street address and the name of the person on that mortgage/lease, that’s doxxing, right. And you can by private or public transportation or a combination thereof go that residence.
But if I say Musk’s plane is at longitude x and latitude y, well then by the time you read it, it’s probably not there any more. The residence in the above example doesn’t move. And how is someone gonna meet that plane in mid-air and harass Musk? Do those trackers give an altitude? Even if they do, I’m still stumped how someone will meet that plane like ConAir.
Sure, it’s his platform so he’s within his privileges to move the goalpost, but that’s all it is. It’s a loosely thought out rationale to ban the account he presumably doesn’t like. I don’t really see a logical safety concern from knowing his plane’s location.
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Yes. Do you want someone tracking your coordinates and posting them as you drive down the road??? I agree with above that it is too convenient for Elon's rule change to be a coincidence. But it is a good point that it crosses the line and is probably worse than doxxing. I would rather someone know where I live than someone know where I am every second (while in plane/car). But again, he most assuredly set about changing it to get the end result he wanted.
 
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i had a few slow minutes at work last night and was browsing the channels. I flipped through FoxNews quickly and kept going but something stood out to me so went back. Tucker was on and after staring for a few milliseconds it came to me - his face is super orange. Like Trump orange. It was really off putting.

Is there a reason for this? I imagine if I looked in the mirror and looked like that, or saw myself in TV with an orange face I would pledge to not wear whatever that is anymore. It’s really off putting.

Is it intentional? Is there a reason for orange face? Now I know some of you are going to be offended thinking I’m disparaging someone who shares your political viewpoints and defend Tucker or attack some CNN anchor in retort, but I’m honestly wondering if there’s something I’m missing about orange face that appeals to people?
 
Southpaw said:
i had a few slow minutes at work last night and was browsing the channels. I flipped through FoxNews quickly and kept going but something stood out to me so went back. Tucker was on and after staring for a few milliseconds it came to me - his face is super orange. Like Trump orange. It was really off putting.

Is there a reason for this? I imagine if I looked in the mirror and looked like that, or saw myself in TV with an orange face I would pledge to not wear whatever that is anymore. It’s really off putting.

Is it intentional? Is there a reason for orange face? Now I know some of you are going to be offended thinking I’m disparaging someone who shares your political viewpoints and defend Tucker or attack some CNN anchor in retort, but I’m honestly wondering if there’s something I’m missing about orange face that appeals to people?
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Probably the settings on your TV.
 
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Do you see orange? To be fair, I think a bunch of the white people on live TV look a little orange. Too much makeup?
 
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Southpaw said:
i had a few slow minutes at work last night and was browsing the channels. I flipped through FoxNews quickly and kept going but something stood out to me so went back. Tucker was on and after staring for a few milliseconds it came to me - his face is super orange. Like Trump orange. It was really off putting.

Is there a reason for this? I imagine if I looked in the mirror and looked like that, or saw myself in TV with an orange face I would pledge to not wear whatever that is anymore. It’s really off putting.

Is it intentional? Is there a reason for orange face? Now I know some of you are going to be offended thinking I’m disparaging someone who shares your political viewpoints and defend Tucker or attack some CNN anchor in retort, but I’m honestly wondering if there’s something I’m missing about orange face that appeals to people?
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Maybe your TV settings just need adjusting.
 
Onefellswoop87 said:
Maybe it’s semantics but is a plane’s coordinates really doxxing? Doesn’t doxxing imply that someone can go to location to likely cause trouble?
If I give you latitude and longitude that corresponds to a specific street address and the name of the person on that mortgage/lease, that’s doxxing, right. And you can by private or public transportation or a combination thereof go that residence.
But if I say Musk’s plane is at longitude x and latitude y, well then by the time you read it, it’s probably not there any more. The residence in the above example doesn’t move. And how is someone gonna meet that plane in mid-air and harass Musk? Do those trackers give an altitude? Even if they do, I’m still stumped how someone will meet that plane like ConAir.
Sure, it’s his platform so he’s within his privileges to move the goalpost, but that’s all it is. It’s a loosely thought out rationale to ban the account he presumably doesn’t like. I don’t really see a logical safety concern from knowing his plane’s location.
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I don’t think a Con Air type of encounter is the concern. Clearly it is about where he is going and what he is up to. College coaches and officials deal with this as they visit with recruits or if they are potentially interviewing for a different job. For instance, if the Bama plane suddenly takes off from Tuscaloosa and lands in LA at the same time that rumors are swirling about Nick Saban retiring and Lincoln Riley being considered for his replacement, then private plane tracking can give further validity to those rumors for rabid college FB fans.
It’s pretty intrusive.
 
Gern Blansten said:
I don’t think a Con Air type of encounter is the concern. Clearly it is about where he is going and what he is up to. College coaches and officials deal with this as they visit with recruits or if they are potentially interviewing for a different job. For instance, if the Bama plane suddenly takes off from Tuscaloosa and lands in LA at the same time that rumors are swirling about Nick Saban retiring and Lincoln Riley being considered for his replacement, then private plane tracking can give further validity to those rumors for rabid college FB fans.
It’s pretty intrusive.
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I got a content warning on SDN for calling someone unattractive by someone on the left who thought it was just out of bounds to say such a thing. In the same breath, the left is saying it's ok to dox people and their kids. These things aren't consistent.
 
tombreaz said:
I got a content warning on SDN for calling someone unattractive by someone on the left who thought it was just out of bounds to say such a thing. In the same breath, the left is saying it's ok to dox people and their kids. These things aren't consistent.
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When did SDN allow someone to dox an anonymous poster and their kids? That is not okay. But I have a suspicion you’re purposely taking a situation out of context to prove a point that doesn’t exist.
 
Southpaw said:
When did SDN allow someone to dox an anonymous poster and their kids? That is not okay. But I have a suspicion you’re purposely taking a situation out of context to prove a point that doesn’t exist.
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I'm pretty sure he is talking about the recent Elon kids "stalking" which at this point appears to be more likely fake than real.
 
Southpaw said:
When did SDN allow someone to dox an anonymous poster and their kids? That is not okay. But I have a suspicion you’re purposely taking a situation out of context to prove a point that doesn’t exist.
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You should coin your suspicion more properly as an assumption which makes you an...

You're the only one who grants "points that don't exist", remember?

***lol are you the one who keeps restricting my ability to comment? How convenient.
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My apologies if we're on a "Twitter" thread and you don't realize that Elon and his kid were doxed. I can tell by your actions you miss the old Twitter and are doing all you can to make SDN just as similar=conservatives can't give their opinion. Let the echo chamber commence. Reminds me of my sociology profs who had super impressive degrees.
 
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tombreaz said:
You should coin your suspicion more properly as an assumption which makes you an...

You're the only one who grants "points that don't exist", remember?
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And you can also just answer the question. You complain about SDN moderation and then use that to insult politically on a different platform. Apples. Oranges.
 
So is Musk the new celebrity the right wing wants to follow and idolize?

Are you sure this is what you want? If so, carry on.
 
RadOncDoc21 said:
So is Musk the new celebrity the right wing wants to follow and idolize?

Are you sure this is what you want? If so, carry on.
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I don’t really care about 99% of celebrities, especially when it comes to political opinions.
Is he the new celebrity the left wants you to hate?
 
Gern Blansten said:
I don’t really care about 99% of celebrities, especially when it comes to political opinions.
Is he the new celebrity the left wants you to hate?
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Forgive me but wasn’t Trump, Herschel, Oz celebrities? Now I see you guys defending Musk’s shanigans. I must be too woke to remember.

Look we can all pretend to listen to each other but we can agree on what is blatantly obvious. I legitimately am asking is Musk the new celebrity hero?
 
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agammaglobulin said:
I think this seems logical. It's likely he didn't come up with the policy until it affected him, but I think both are valid points. The CNN/NYT/WaPost reporters had all "doxxed" or posted links to places that did.
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lol, he banned reporters who were covering the high school kid or whatever that was tracking his flights. The kid wrote a bot that scraped publicly available info.
 
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RadOncDoc21 said:
Forgive me but wasn’t Trump, Herschel, Oz celebrities? Now I see you guys defending Musk’s shanigans. I must be too woke to remember.

Look we can all pretend to listen to each other but we can agree on what is blatantly obvious. I legitimately am asking is Musk the new celebrity hero?
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As I’ve stated previously, I am not a fan of the vast majority of celebrities. Elon is a businessman who has gained celebrity status. I like him as a business man because he is generally successful. The companies he has started I tend to be a fan of including PayPal and star-link. I think I would like Tesla as well, but don’t have one, so not sure. I hear great things about his Tesla products. I find him to be entertaining because he doesn’t seem to care what others think. If you think that is idolatry, I will respectfully disagree.
I wonder why you hate Elon now but likely did not hate him a year ago. As I asked, is that who your people are telling you is the new boogey man? It’s a rhetorical question because he definitely is.
I don’t care about the three former celebrities/athletes who are now politicians that you mentioned, but I don’t think they are the boogey men that some on here think they are. They are imperfect for sure and likely have huge personality faults and some skeletons in their closets. I feel like their opponents were even more imperfect.
 
Gern Blansten said:
As I’ve stated previously, I am not a fan of the vast majority of celebrities. Elon is a businessman who has gained celebrity status. I like him as a business man because he is generally successful. The companies he has started I tend to be a fan of including PayPal and star-link. I think I would like Tesla as well, but don’t have one, so not sure. I hear great things about his Tesla products. I find him to be entertaining because he doesn’t seem to care what others think. If you think that is idolatry, I will respectfully disagree.
I wonder why you hate Elon now but likely did not hate him a year ago. As I asked, is that who your people are telling you is the new boogey man? It’s a rhetorical question because he definitely is.
I don’t care about the three former celebrities/athletes who are now politicians that you mentioned, but I don’t think they are the boogey men that some on here think they are. They are imperfect for sure and likely have huge personality faults and some skeletons in their closets. I feel like their opponents were even more imperfect.
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Hate is such a strong emotion for someone I don’t know personally. Why do we have to either love or hate him? I honestly didn’t think much of him a year ago. I just wonder why someone who used to be the richest man in the world would prefer to lose billions following this path but I guess when you have all the money you’ll ever need in life, you can afford to do anything you want, it just wouldn’t be my cup of tea.

If you truly believe those mentioned celebrities were deserving to be in a political position, let’s just say I’m glad more people disagreed with you.
 
RadOncDoc21 said:
Hate is such a strong emotion for someone I don’t know personally. Why do we have to either love or hate him? I honestly didn’t think much of him a year ago. I just wonder why someone who used to be the richest man in the world would prefer to lose billions following this path but I guess when you have all the money you’ll ever need in life, you can afford to do anything you want, it just wouldn’t be my cup of tea.

If you truly believe those mentioned celebrities were deserving to be in a political position, let’s just say I’m glad more people disagreed with you.
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I feel like you’re being intentionally obtuse.
I said I thought their opponents had more faults than they did. All of them are likely terrible people, and it’s sad that we have to choose who is the best from a slate of terrible candidates.
 
Gern Blansten said:
I feel like you’re being intentionally obtuse.
I said I thought their opponents had more faults than they did. All of them are likely terrible people, and it’s sad that we have to choose who is the best from a slate of terrible candidates.
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Obtuse? I’ve heard that term thrown around on this forum, same with woke and strawman?

Your argument was that both sides are bad but one side is worst or has more “imperfections” then the other side. Not sure if being “obtuse” means that my understanding is that you prefer one side over the other. It’s ok to be a supporter of one side, just own up to it!

Also what is the definition of obtuse and strawman? Is it another derogatory term for liberals? You guys are quick to name call or make subtle jabs and then throw your hands up like you didn’t just commit a foul when someone calls you out.
 

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RadOncDoc21 said:
Obtuse? I’ve heard that term thrown around on this forum, same with woke and strawman?

Your argument was that both sides are bad but one side is worst or has more “imperfections” then the other side. Not sure if being “obtuse” means that my understanding is that you prefer one side over the other. It’s ok to be a supporter of one side, just own up to it!

Also what is the definition of obtuse and strawman? Is it another derogatory term for liberals? You guys are quick to name call or make subtle jabs and then throw your hands up like you didn’t just commit a foul when someone calls you out.
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Obtuse-lacking sharpness or quickness of sensibility or intellect
So, “intentionally obtuse” means I think you are pretending like you don’t understand my point.
Your post above is further evidence of it.
 
FFP said:
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Loved the articles - thanks for posting.
 
In the interest of transparency, seems like a 2nd set of “Twitter files” will be forthcoming to document how these journalists were suspended. More internal Twitter documents to come. Maybe some anonymous “White House staffers” and FBI agents were behind this too 😂

Indeed it would also be highly entertaining to see the private discussions of SDN moderators. Maybe a trove of #SDNfiles will be released on some obscure Substack 😉
 
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Gern Blansten said:
Obtuse-lacking sharpness or quickness of sensibility or intellect
So, “intentionally obtuse” means I think you are pretending like you don’t understand my point.
Your post above is further evidence of it.
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You know what's obtuse? Pretending there aren't legitimate reasons why one could go from neutral or positive on Elon to negative.





 
epidural man said:
Loved the articles - thanks for posting.
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The Free Press article seemed exceedingly kind to Elon. Pointing out how his 2yo has stayed with him almost constantly as Elon has slept on a sofa at Twitter? Come on - Elon has seen that kid, and all his other kids, probably less than 10 times in his life. Let’s be real about it.

I would love to track this thread over time. In the beginning - conservative leaning posters claiming ‘hey we just want truth’, fawning over Elon initially for his ‘free speech’ nonsense, saving humanity, etc. only to, in the end, reveal Elon for what he is. Just a billionaire with head issues banning whoever he wants for whatever reason he wants, all while waving a ‘free speech’ flag claiming he’s really saving all of us. What a joke.
 
agammaglobulin said:

Musk: "Any account doxxing real-time location info of anyone will be suspended, as it is a physical safety violation. This includes posting links to sites with real-time location info. Posting locations someone traveled to on a slightly delayed basis isn’t a safety problem, so is ok."


Musk: "If anyone posted real-time locations & addresses of NYT reporters, FBI would be investigating, there’d be hearings on Capitol Hill & Biden would give speeches about end of democracy!"

I think this seems logical. It's likely he didn't come up with the policy until it affected him, but I think both are valid points. The CNN/NYT/WaPost reporters had all "doxxed" or posted links to places that did.
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Christ forgive us if the billionaires don't want the location of their ****ing 7+ figure jets using public airports being tracked; wouldn't want his privacy to be infringed upon while he indulges in a form of travel less than 0.1% of people in the country ever get to use.

It isn't a valid point at all, no more valid than websites aggregating public employee salary data or any other public data aggregator. He should go lobby congress if he wants his privacy protected, not target college students with lawsuits on his allegedly free speech platform. It is simply him being the massive cock we all know he is.
 
BobLoblaw78 said:
Nope. No proof for or against it. It was originally flagged false. But more recently got downgraded (upgraded?) to neither true or false as there is no evidence. Makes me wonder if they changed their position once Elon changed his position....🤔

Yes. Do you want someone tracking your coordinates and posting them as you drive down the road??? I agree with above that it is too convenient for Elon's rule change to be a coincidence. But it is a good point that it crosses the line and is probably worse than doxxing. I would rather someone know where I live than someone know where I am every second (while in plane/car). But again, he most assuredly set about changing it to get the end result he wanted.
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Do I want someone to track me as I drive? Immaterial to the conversation. My car, unlike a plane’s data, isn’t publicly available information. My Jeep doesn’t have that information transmitted. You’re just moving the goalpost.


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I don’t think a Con Air type of encounter is the concern. Clearly it is about where he is going and what he is up to. College coaches and officials deal with this as they visit with recruits or if they are potentially interviewing for a different job. For instance, if the Bama plane suddenly takes off from Tuscaloosa and lands in LA at the same time that rumors are swirling about Nick Saban retiring and Lincoln Riley being considered for his replacement, then private plane tracking can give further validity to those rumors for rabid college FB fans.
It’s pretty intrusive.
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Musk is concerned with his physical safety. He said regarding the plane’s location, it is giving away “my exact real-time location, basically assassination coordinates.” He must be concerned with a ConAir type event. That seems to be his concern based on his recent interview and talking points. It’s a hard pivot that Musk’s plane information is the equivalent of know who a coach is scouting. So if that’s the case, it’s Musk going to interview for positions for the board he fired? So no safety concern, so no doxxing, so let the account back up cause it’s not in line with his policy. Or we want it both ways?
 
Though, at this point, I'm convinced that posting here is a waste of time, because SDN is like the pre-Elon Twitter (everybody to the right of Marx and Lenin is a villain, including the lefties from The Free Press, and there is almost zero intellectual curiosity), this was too good not to post.

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The Twitter Files and the Future of the Democratic Party With Silicon Valley's Congressman

Ro Khanna on why we should be skeptical of Big Tech's power.
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On the media blackout on the Twitter Files story:
I think it’s a mistake. But I think there is this fear in the media to say, well, are we buying into a conservative story? Instead, the question should be: what is the role of free expression and free speech on a social media platform? You could actually have a very interesting conversation with someone like Elizabeth Warren, who is concerned about the concentration of economic power making these decisions, and someone concerned about Twitter censoring or shadow-banning conservative points of view. It's a missed opportunity to have that conversation. A missed opportunity in terms of how much the digital world matters and understanding how big a story this is among a significant part of the American public. What we need in this country is to just start listening to other people while suspending judgment. We've somehow lost that ability.
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The amount of brainwash in this country is scary. It's like wartime propaganda. Goebbels would be proud.

Btw, not a fan of Elon, not a fan of Steve Jobs, as human beings go, but humanity needs this kind of visionary a$$holes. On balance, they do more good than bad, or than the mob of losers (aka hoi polloi) who criticize them.
 
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FFP said:
Though, at this point, I'm convinced that posting here is a waste of time, because SDN is like the pre-Elon Twitter (everybody to the right of Marx and Lenin is a villain, including the lefties from The Free Press, and there is almost zero intellectual curiosity), this was too good not to post.

www.thefp.com

The Twitter Files and the Future of the Democratic Party With Silicon Valley's Congressman

Ro Khanna on why we should be skeptical of Big Tech's power.
www.thefp.com www.thefp.com



The amount of brainwash in this country is scary. It's like wartime propaganda. Goebbels would be proud.

Btw, not a fan of Elon, not a fan of Steve Jobs, as human beings go, but humanity needs this kind of visionary a$$holes. On balance, they do more good than bad, or than the mob of losers (aka hoi polloi) who criticize them.
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Thanks for the article. Amazing read and Rep. Khanna lays out perfectly a lot of ideas and thoughts I've had spinning in my head but could never deliver nearly as eloquently as he did. I loved that article and everything he said.
 
FFP said:
Though, at this point, I'm convinced that posting here is a waste of time, because SDN is like the pre-Elon Twitter (everybody to the right of Marx and Lenin is a villain, including the lefties from The Free Press, and there is almost zero intellectual curiosity), this was too good not to post.

www.thefp.com

The Twitter Files and the Future of the Democratic Party With Silicon Valley's Congressman

Ro Khanna on why we should be skeptical of Big Tech's power.
www.thefp.com www.thefp.com



The amount of brainwash in this country is scary. It's like wartime propaganda. Goebbels would be proud.

Btw, not a fan of Elon, not a fan of Steve Jobs, as human beings go, but humanity needs this kind of visionary a$$holes. On balance, they do more good than bad, or than the mob of losers who criticize them.
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Agree with the first article, but mainly because I believe in Bernie Sanders type regulations and not typical politics that BOTH sides are guilty of doing. Lobbyists control DC and money comes from all places, not just big tech (NRA).

In regards to Musk, you’re right… he created a push towards the EV, still not sure about the space stuff but whatever… cool. However, he is not an altruistic saint and neither was Steve Jobs and they were well paid for their achievements so I don’t believe they are above criticism especially when they use their power (money, influence, resources) to impact political decisions that can directly involve me and my quality of life.

If Lebron James makes a political statement, FOX News tells him to “shut up and play,” while Musk is given a free pass. Why can’t Musk just “shut up and build cars?” I’m sure his investors would appreciate that more then all of his shanigans regarding twitter.

If that makes me an a$$hole for criticizing him, so be it. I’m a woke a$$hole who is pretending to be obtuse who uses strawman arguments!
 
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And I'm a transphobic anti-vaxer who uses right wing scare tactics, and that's according to a moderator who's been reading my posts for 10 years! I win.
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Lol, a certain moderator has it out for me on here also especially when I talk about gun control! For some reason the counter attacks get personal.
 
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RadOncDoc21 said:
Agree with the first article, but mainly because I believe in Bernie Sanders type regulations and not typical politics that BOTH sides are guilty of doing. Lobbyists control DC and money comes from all places, not just big tech (NRA).
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I was just telling my wife that the democrats are using Trump as a boogeyman, to rally their electorate, and have no intention of putting him in prison (where he belongs).

All those investigations into Trump are a farce, not because they have no basis, but because there is zero political intention to lead them to the logical conclusion. Any regular Joe would have been at least indicted, a long time ago. But they won't indict Trump, because that will give him electoral ammunition, and God forbid we do the right thing for the country but the wrong thing for the Party. Plus that would create a precedent that would not bode well for the Biden family (and the many Congress members whose influence is for sale).
 
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I was just telling my wife that the democrats are using Trump as a boogeyman, to rally their electorate, and have no intention of putting him in prison (where he belongs).

All those investigations into Trump are a farce, not because they have no basis, but because there is zero political intention to lead them to the logical conclusion. Any regular Joe would have been at least indicted, a long time ago. But they won't indict Trump, because that will give him electoral ammunition, and God forbid we do the right thing for the country but the wrong thing for the Party. Plus that would create a precedent that would not bode well for the Biden family (and the many Congress members whose influence is for sale).
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Def agree, all bark and no bite. I thought for sure he would be in jail by now. The longer he becomes irrevelevant, the less likely they will continue to pursue criminal charges.
 
FFP said:
Though, at this point, I'm convinced that posting here is a waste of time, because SDN is like the pre-Elon Twitter (everybody to the right of Marx and Lenin is a villain, including the lefties from The Free Press, and there is almost zero intellectual curiosity), this was too good not to post.

www.thefp.com

The Twitter Files and the Future of the Democratic Party With Silicon Valley's Congressman

Ro Khanna on why we should be skeptical of Big Tech's power.
www.thefp.com www.thefp.com



The amount of brainwash in this country is scary. It's like wartime propaganda. Goebbels would be proud.

Btw, not a fan of Elon, not a fan of Steve Jobs, as human beings go, but humanity needs this kind of visionary a$$holes. On balance, they do more good than bad, or than the mob of losers (aka hoi polloi) who criticize them.
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Wow. Ro Khanna my be my newest favorite politician. If all democrats sounded (and believed and acted) like this - I’d probably consider becoming a democrat!

Bari Weiss is impressive as well.

Thanks for sharing.
 
vector2 said:
You know what's obtuse? Pretending there aren't legitimate reasons why one could go from neutral or positive on Elon to negative.





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I really like Kyle Kulinski. I first became aware of him when he appeared on Joe Rogan. He is a smart fella. I like his wife more (Krystal Ball) and like her partner even more (Saagar Enjeti). They do a wonderful podcast called Breaking Points (in case you are interested in that sort of thing).

Sincere question: would you like to see someone banned for tweeting a post that said “should I say the N word?” Is that a ban -able offense to you?
 
Southpaw said:
The Free Press article seemed exceedingly kind to Elon. Pointing out how his 2yo has stayed with him almost constantly as Elon has slept on a sofa at Twitter? Come on - Elon has seen that kid, and all his other kids, probably less than 10 times in his life. Let’s be real about it.

I would love to track this thread over time. In the beginning - conservative leaning posters claiming ‘hey we just want truth’, fawning over Elon initially for his ‘free speech’ nonsense, saving humanity, etc. only to, in the end, reveal Elon for what he is. Just a billionaire with head issues banning whoever he wants for whatever reason he wants, all while waving a ‘free speech’ flag claiming he’s really saving all of us. What a joke.
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The problem we all have, is when we have formed a strong opinion about someone, anything that persons says or does that is positive, we will tend to disbelieve, or think they are Insincere or lying. I get that.

But I have a question for you. Bari Weiss totally gets the criticism against Elon. So she asks the very important question to him. (Paraphrasing her). “Why are you who is wielding this immense power any better, or how can we be assured that your monopoly will be any better?”

I for one, LOVED his answer. Apparently you didn’t. He said “I am open to suggestions.”

So what could he have said for you to go “okay. That’s a good answer. Good job Elon.”

I agree. Let’s see how this plays out. I do not like how he is Willy-nillly banning people. That should bother everyone. But if you weren’t bothered by the shadow banning - you have NO RIGHT to say anything. You should stay out of the conversation.

BUT - my hope is that Elon turns Twitter into what he has commented on how it should be - transparent, with banning coming from community, not a single person. That is what he has stated as a goal.
 
FFP said:
Btw, not a fan of Elon, not a fan of Steve Jobs, as human beings go, but humanity needs this kind of visionary a$$holes. On balance, they do more good than bad, or than the mob of losers (aka hoi polloi) who criticize them.
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You a fan of "Great Man Theory"?
 
chessknt said:
Christ forgive us if the billionaires don't want the location of their ****ing 7+ figure jets using public airports being tracked; wouldn't want his privacy to be infringed upon while he indulges in a form of travel less than 0.1% of people in the country ever get to use.

It isn't a valid point at all, no more valid than websites aggregating public employee salary data or any other public data aggregator. He should go lobby congress if he wants his privacy protected, not target college students with lawsuits on his allegedly free speech platform. It is simply him being the massive cock we all know he is.
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Does anyone think our democracy could handle the result of that sort of open season on our public figures? We are unimaginably fortunate that Nancy Pelosi and Bret Kavanaugh weren’t murdered in recent attempts by unhinged men to invade their homes. As Americans, we are already deeply, painfully divided. Something resembling Civil War could easily erupt in this country over the assassination of a Justice or even a figure like Musk.

And no, this has nothing to do with “free speech,” that much misdescribed and battered freedom, best appreciated after it is already lost. The Twitter Files have already shown that ordinary Americans cannot possibly keep pace with technologists’ ability to quash and narrow public dialogue. But there is no “free speech” interest in the real-time trailing of anyone’s precise location.
-Abigail Schrier
 
Gern Blansten said:
Who are any of us? Why do you need to know who they are? Is that what you’re going to use to discount what they have to say?
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Yeah, sources and credibility matter. This is what’s wrong with our society, we get all our information from social media.
 
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