UCSF Application 2009-2010

[schleima]

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That sucks 🙁. So they wrote a reason in the letter? Everyone that is rejected gets a personalized letter?


Bah, two rejections and no acceptances so far ...

Edit: Just curious schleima, but did your wife receive a thank you letter? If so... what day? (Asking since you're still around)

Thank you letter came a few days to a week ago. And the letter wasn't personalized so much as it had three prefab checkboxes labelled oral communication, written communication, and other. The first two were checked.

 

[rycetrix]

Well, sadly my dear wife was rejected on 3/5 from UCSF, for the second year in a row. The reason stated in the letter was that her oral/written english was not up to their standard. She immigrated to this country 3 years ago from Taiwan, and as such was clearly at a disadvantage in this regard. (This was after traveling around the world twice, once alone for 6 months and again with me for about 9).

I have to say, I'm disappointed because for two years I honestly and truly held on to this almost religious belief that UCSF would eventually see that what she lacked in native fluency, she would make up for with her broad international perspective, drive, compassion and enthusiasm for the profession (and life). For two years I held on to the belief that UCSF would see that her ability to articulate in English was already very good, and would only get better during the course of her education and her life in the United States. (Certainly her communication ability was good enough for two other pharmacy schools to accept her.) I had faith that UCSF would understand the cultural factor, that Chinese society all but forbids bragging about one's accomplishments, and that this is one of the hardest things for my wife to do (though she does it extremely well in her pre written essays, which she was of course able to polish and perfect). And I really though this time, the second application and the second interview, they would know her well enough to see what I see in her... that she has massive potential to reach the greatest heights in this profession-- she just needs to be given a chance. I really thought that UCSF would be the one to identify her spark and offer her that opportunity. It's a sad thing to wake up one day and realize that your perceptions are wrong, that you've been praying at the wrong altar, that you've built up an idea about something that may never have really existed.

Anyway, I suppose that's all from me-- take care, everyone and good luck to all the rest of you in achieving your dreams.

I am sorry to hear about your wife and this rejection. I do find this really odd as far as the presentation is concerned with the rejection notice that they would actually tell you what your deficiencies were. I always thought you had to call Joel and schedule a talk with him after May if you had inquiries about your denial status, but maybe they changed up policy this year.

I understand that this may be difficult to swallow, having gone through this two years in a row. UCSF stresses that their selection for candidates is based on those that are the best fit for the program. In looking at the statements I bolded, maybe there was an issue with her on-site essay writing where she doesn't have time to polish and make her essays perfect. If it's any consolation, you should still be proud of your wife that she was able to gain acceptance into two other pharmacy schools. Ultimately, we will all become pharmacists and we will have job opportunities. Whether or not you attend UCSF doesn't mean you can't be a great pharmacist. I wish good luck to your wife in her pharmacy endeavors.

 

[pvn1]

Thank you letter came a few days to a week ago. And the letter wasn't personalized so much as it had three prefab checkboxes labelled oral communication, written communication, and other. The first two were checked.

Hi Schleima,
I see where you're coming from. I am an immigrant myself too. To be honest, the interview was the toughest part, so I can relate to your wife.
May I ask you a question? Does your wife's thank you letter literally have 3 boxes with oral comm, written comm, and other? That's really different from mine. Or did you mean the rejection letter have 3 boxes? Thank you.

 

[socalgirlie]

Sorry to hear...I wonder how many other rejection letters were sent? Anyone else? Any acceptances? Ahh so anxious ><

 

[Muangz]

Well, sadly my dear wife was rejected on 3/5 from UCSF, for the second year in a row. The reason stated in the letter was that her oral/written english was not up to their standard. She immigrated to this country 3 years ago from Taiwan, and as such was clearly at a disadvantage in this regard. (This was after traveling around the world twice, once alone for 6 months and again with me for about 9).

I have to say, I'm disappointed because for two years I honestly and truly held on to this almost religious belief that UCSF would eventually see that what she lacked in native fluency, she would make up for with her broad international perspective, drive, compassion and enthusiasm for the profession (and life). For two years I held on to the belief that UCSF would see that her ability to articulate in English was already very good, and would only get better during the course of her education and her life in the United States. (Certainly her communication ability was good enough for two other pharmacy schools to accept her.) I had faith that UCSF would understand the cultural factor, that Chinese society all but forbids bragging about one's accomplishments, and that this is one of the hardest things for my wife to do (though she does it extremely well in her pre written essays, which she was of course able to polish and perfect). And I really though this time, the second application and the second interview, they would know her well enough to see what I see in her... that she has massive potential to reach the greatest heights in this profession-- she just needs to be given a chance. I really thought that UCSF would be the one to identify her spark and offer her that opportunity. It's a sad thing to wake up one day and realize that your perceptions are wrong, that you've been praying at the wrong altar, that you've built up an idea about something that may never have really existed.

Anyway, I suppose that's all from me-- take care, everyone and good luck to all the rest of you in achieving your dreams.

That's awfully and painfully sad to hear. Both you and your wife sound like very sincere people with a strong compassion for pharmacy. Please don't let this get you down. I don't expect to google your names one of these days and find you guys as leaders of a national or international project/institution, but if I do, I wouldn't be surprised and I'd be damned with admiration. You have got to keep your spirit up!

 

[schleima]

Hi Schleima,
I see where you're coming from. I am an immigrant myself too. To be honest, the interview was the toughest part, so I can relate to your wife.
May I ask you a question? Does your wife's thank you letter literally have 3 boxes with oral comm, written comm, and other? That's really different from mine. Or did you mean the rejection letter have 3 boxes? Thank you.

It was the standard rejection letter that we got from last year, but it had a new paragraph that said it was the opinion of the admissions committee that she did not have the high level of oral and written communication skills required by the UC system for all graduate and professional degrees. There were then 3 checkboxes indicating what she could do to improve this-- i.e. take an oral comm class (check), take an english composition class (check), and other (not checked).

I just think it's terrible that did not see that her communication skills are about as good as they can get for a non-native speaker under the extremely pressured and abnormal social circumstances of the interview.

 

[kmoogs]

It was the standard rejection letter that we got from last year, but it had a new paragraph that said it was the opinion of the admissions committee that she did not have the high level of oral and written communication skills required by the UC system for all graduate and professional degrees. There were then 3 checkboxes indicating what she could do to improve this-- i.e. take an oral comm class (check), take an english composition class (check), and other (not checked).

I just think it's terrible that did not see that her communication skills are about as good as they can get for a non-native speaker under the extremely pressured and abnormal social circumstances of the interview.

Well darn ... I was asked what my greatest weakness was during the interview ... I said oral communication

Is she going to try reapplying for the 2010-2011 application cycle?

 

[Muangz]

It was the standard rejection letter that we got from last year, but it had a new paragraph that said it was the opinion of the admissions committee that she did not have the high level of oral and written communication skills required by the UC system for all graduate and professional degrees. There were then 3 checkboxes indicating what she could do to improve this-- i.e. take an oral comm class (check), take an english composition class (check), and other (not checked).

I just think it's terrible that did not see that her communication skills are about as good as they can get for a non-native speaker under the extremely pressured and abnormal social circumstances of the interview.

Yes, I agree. For me, it was extremely difficult to pronounce words properly, and I had a few uncomfortable pauses. On top of being nervous, I was in SHOCK in response to the interviewer telling me I had an extremely horrible writing style: that it was too convoluted and caused admissions difficulty deciphering my underlying meanings. I suppose it was a "test" to see how well I manage stress and criticism. My appearance was calm on the outside; although, I was extremely agitated on the inside. That's why I came out of the interview with mixed feelings.

I do admire UCSF for their top faculty board and for having the best program. Regardless of my performance at the interview, I still wish to go there.

 

[Muangz]

Well darn ... I was asked what my greatest weakness was during the interview ... I said oral communication

Lol, Kmoogs, what were you thinking? Interviews are to test your verbal communication skills among other things. Hopefully, you did well anyways and they could see that a "weak" oral communication skill wasn't really your weakness.

 

[kmoogs]

Yes, I agree. For me, it was extremely difficult to pronounce words properly, and I had a few uncomfortable pauses. On top of being nervous, I was in SHOCK in response to the interviewer telling me I had an extremely horrible writing style: that it was too convoluted and caused admissions difficulty deciphering my underlying meanings. I suppose it was a "test" to see how well I manage stress and criticism. My appearance was calm on the outside; although, I was extremely agitated on the inside. That's why I came out of the interview with mixed feelings.

I do admire UCSF for their top faculty board and for having the best program. Regardless of my performance at the interview, I still wish to go there.

I'm impressed if you managed to fit a convoluted essay with underlying meanings in the small space they gave us. 👍 I was under the impression Scott wanted us to write a straight forward essay/response to the prompts. Bada bing bada boom. Though ... a couple of the prompts had the potential to expand into the realm of political/economic/international arguments ... which can get deep and dirty fast.

 

[kmoogs]

Lol, Kmoogs, what were you thinking? Interviews are to test your verbal communication skills among other things. Hopefully, you did well anyways and they could see that a "weak" oral communication skill wasn't really your weakness.

Well, it's cause I go to Toast Master's sometimes and have a blast lol. I just can't give epic impromptu speeches with awesome soundbites. I make presentations all the time ... just not unprepared ones -> hence my perceived self-weakness.

 

[Muangz]

I'm impressed if you managed to fit a convoluted essay with underlying meanings in the small space they gave us. 👍 I was under the impression Scott wanted us to write a straight forward essay/response to the prompts. Bada bing bada boom. Though ... a couple of the prompts had the potential to expand into the realm of political/economic/international arguments ... which can get deep and dirty fast.

No, I was criticized for the supplemental essays. The on-site essay was different (and I took it right after the interview so I was already upset). I went at it like a standardized test and just got to the point. I only spent 20 mins on it including brainstorm/outline. I didn't bother to sit there for 45 mins and perfect everything.

 

[kmoogs]

Oic. In hindsight my supplemental essays are garbage and need major tune ups. I'm already expecting the rejection any day now

Already started drafting new statements for next year lol

 

[Muangz]

Oic. In hindsight my supplemental essays are garbage and need major tune ups. I'm already expecting the rejection any day now

Already started drafting new statements for next year lol

Lol. I just wished I did better for the interview and the on-site writing. Oh well. I won't reapply if I get rejected. I don't think that it's not because I don't qualify, but whatever reason it might be, I'd leave it well enough alone.

 

[busyizzy]

Oic. In hindsight my supplemental essays are garbage and need major tune ups. I'm already expecting the rejection any day now

Already started drafting new statements for next year lol

I won't be reapplying next year if I don't get in, but I had considered it a month or two before; the problem is, I REALLY don't know what else to say on those supplemental questions! I thought about them for MONTHS, and what I wrote was the result of months of thinking and processing .... if someone told me to rewrite the answers to the essays, I just ... couldn't! They're the best answer I could come up with. I guess rejection or acceptance, I'll be satisfied that I tried my best....

I am almost glad it is Sunday tomorrow. gives me a day's break from feeling anxious when waiting and checking for the mail....

 

[missHuynh07]

after reading all of this,i'm sure my rejection letter is on the way. I did not impress the interviewers with my oral communication skill at all. normally i can speak english pretty well, but during the interview somehow my english was all broken. writing is my weakness. sigh i just hope that i wont get all three boxes checked. 🙁

omg, i guess i will not get into any pharm school with my english skill? ahhh....dying

 

[tickytac]

missHuynh07 I think you will honestly do fine. If you can speak English and its understandable, I think that's all that really matters. I had a girl in my interview group you thought she failed her interview because she couldn't speak English when her English was fine. Just trust that you did fine, there's nothing else you can do about it now.

On other news, does anyone know when UCSF normally sends out the acceptance letters. I heard someone say it was March 5, but not sure.

 

[Muangz]

On other news, does anyone know when UCSF normally sends out the acceptance letters. I heard someone say it was March 5, but not sure.

Any day from March 1 till March 31. Joel said acceptances and rejections are mailed mixed together, quite random. Speculation has it that rejections and higher ranked interviewees receive their letters first. Lower ranked and waitlisted are toward the 4th week.

 

[kmoogs]

Survived week 1. So exciting haha

 

[Muangz]

I didn't realized my letter came yesterday. I still haven't open it. I think it's a rejection. Blood pressure is high.

 

[kmoogs]

I didn't realized my letter came yesterday. I still haven't open it. I think it's a rejection. Blood pressure is high.

It could be a repeat financial aid letter. Open it! We need our first acceptance!

 

[Muangz]

It could be a repeat financial aid letter. Open it! We need our first acceptance!

OmG! It was a thank u letter. I was reading it, usuallly "thank you...blah blah blah...sorry rejection" was what I was expecting. Haha. Ok no more mind games.

 

[kmoogs]

OmG! It was a thank u letter. I was reading it, usuallly "thank you...blah blah blah...sorry rejection" was what I was expecting. Haha. Ok no more mind games.

Oh you never got one?

 

[Muangz]

Oh you never got one?

No nor did I expect one. I'm silly.

I'm gonna go eat chocolate now.

 

[kmoogs]

No nor did I expect one. I'm silly.

Tomorrow begins week two! Oh the fun~ What surprises will we witness tomorrow 😀

This really is exciting haha. I guess I just like pressure, it's fun to me.

 

[busyizzy]

Tomorrow begins week two! Oh the fun~ What surprises will we witness tomorrow 😀

This really is exciting haha. I guess I just like pressure, it's fun to me.

I question your definition of fun .....

I think my mom is hoping for a rejection so I have to stick to in-state tuition and live near home - my mom's dream come true, lol....

 

[kmoogs]

I question your definition of fun .....

I think my mom is hoping for a rejection so I have to stick to in-state tuition and live near home - my mom's dream come true, lol....

Out of state tuition only applies for a year. You only need 12 months in Cali + drivers license + voter registration or some random stuff like that that to gain Ca resident status.

 

[busyizzy]

Out of state tuition only applies for a year. You only need 12 months in Cali + drivers license + voter registration or some random stuff like that that to gain Ca resident status.

Yeah, but in-state UCSF tuition is much higher than in-state UMB tuition. After 4 years, I think the difference is >40k (4 years UMB instate vs 3 years UCSF instate + 1 year UCSF out of state) ... plus, cost of living differences, traveling, etc. It adds up pretty fast.

 

[kmoogs]

I have a friend at Maryland ... she hates it there (the city). Likes the school, hates the area. Born and raised Socal girl ... finds it hard to live without her boba

 

[arrowheadgirl]

I question your definition of fun .....

I think my mom is hoping for a rejection so I have to stick to in-state tuition and live near home - my mom's dream come true, lol....

that's funny (mom's dream come true). My mom is the same way. But I rather go to ucsf

 

[kmoogs]

Wish I could make a poll within this thread to see how many in-state vs out-of-state we have...

 

[arrowheadgirl]

Wish I could make a poll within this thread to see how many in-state vs out-of-state we have...

we could do that. I'm from out-of-state. Anyone else? lol This next week is gonna be scary checking the mail

 

[tickytac]

Wish I could make a poll within this thread to see how many in-state vs out-of-state we have...

in state

 

[tickytac]

Does UCSF care if we stop taking a non-prequisite class that we originally planned on taking. I honestly didn't know what classes I was going to take my spring quarter and just filled in random classes I never planned on taking like dancing and acting.

 

[kmoogs]

Does UCSF care if we stop taking a non-prequisite class that we originally planned on taking. I honestly didn't know what classes I was going to take my spring quarter and just filled in random classes I never planned on taking like dancing and acting.

I think Cheb mentioned that you have to notify Joel but I'm not sure what her specific situation was...

 

[UES Girl]

Does UCSF care if we stop taking a non-prequisite class that we originally planned on taking. I honestly didn't know what classes I was going to take my spring quarter and just filled in random classes I never planned on taking like dancing and acting.

We had a few people in the same situation last year, including myself. Yes, they do and they are very serious about it. You have to fill it out a form and write a short paragraph explaining why you want to drop those classes. Once Joel approves you dropping those classes, you can withdraw from them. The form can be found on UCSF website.

This is not to freak you out by any means 🙂, but just so you take it seriously. Hope this helps. 🙂

 

[UES Girl]

I know how everyone in this thread simply loves conspiracy theories, so here's the latest one from moi :

It seems last year, the letters were usually sent out on Wednesday or Thursday. So people got their letters either Friday or Saturday. This means that most of you can relax untill the end of the next week.


Lastly, don't feel bad if you get your letter at the end of April. I don't really believe in speculation that you are ranked lower than other applicants if you are notified later. For once, people that got their letters earlier last year, were also interviewed much earlier. For twice 🙂 🙂, it creates an unnecessary feeling of anxiety/inadequateness - and if UCSF stands for anything, it's about warm welcoming family-like togetherness and friendly inviting atmosphere and not "you are more qualified than me " sense of competitiveness.

All of you, even the waitlisted people, will be esentially in the same class, working side by side towards a common goal, so who cares if you get your letter a week earlier or later ? 😉

 

[tickytac]

We had a few people in the same situation last year, including myself. Yes, they do and they are very serious about it. You have to fill it out a form and write a short paragraph explaining why you want to drop those classes. Once Joel approves you dropping those classes, you can withdraw from them. The form can be found on UCSF website.

This is not to freak you out by any means 🙂, but just so you take it seriously. Hope this helps. 🙂

So which calendar of classes is the one that UCSF looks at. The PharmCAS one which specifically lists all the classes we plan on taking or the planned classes we listed on UCSF supplemental form?

 

[busyizzy]

I have a friend at Maryland ... she hates it there (the city). Likes the school, hates the area. Born and raised Socal girl ... finds it hard to live without her boba

Ahhh EXACTLY! I really do not like Baltimore the city, and the more I read up on it, the more I am disliking it. I like the school though .... just not the city! I made a list of cons and pros vs UMB and UCSF - and I have something about Baltimore the city in the cons section ... multiple times.

I love Maryland though. I love the DC metro area.... just not Baltimore. But at the same time, i wanna get away from home for a bit. Move back here AFTER pharm school. Experience west coast a bit. Not sure if this is worth probably more than 100k additional debt though...!

that's funny (mom's dream come true). My mom is the same way. But I rather go to ucsf

Me tooooo~. What is your in-state school, if you don't mind me asking?

I know how everyone in this thread simply loves conspiracy theories, so here's the latest one from moi :

It seems last year, the letters were usually sent out on Wednesday or Thursday. So people got their letters either Friday or Saturday. This means that most of you can relax untill the end of the next week.


Lastly, don't feel bad if you get your letter at the end of April. I don't really believe in speculation that you are ranked lower than other applicants if you are notified later. For once, people that got their letters earlier last year, were also interviewed much earlier. For twice 🙂 🙂, it creates an unnecessary feeling of anxiety/inadequateness - and if UCSF stands for anything, it's about warm welcoming family-like togetherness and friendly inviting atmosphere and not “you are more qualified than me " sense of competitiveness.

All of you, even the waitlisted people, will be esentially in the same class, working side by side towards a common goal, so who cares if you get your letter a week earlier or later ? 😉

So for us out-of-state people (or at least those on the east coast/midwest), we can probably expect letters monday-wednesday, depending on how fast mail is and how far away you live. Oh man, I'll be on the edge today again when checking mail!! It feels like Russian roulette almost haha.

 

[elizafly]

Wish I could make a poll within this thread to see how many in-state vs out-of-state we have...

I'm from out of state.

 

[elizafly]

Ahhh EXACTLY! I really do not like Baltimore the city, and the more I read up on it, the more I am disliking it. I like the school though .... just not the city! I made a list of cons and pros vs UMB and UCSF - and I have something about Baltimore the city in the cons section ... multiple times.

I love Maryland though. I love the DC metro area.... just not Baltimore. But at the same time, i wanna get away from home for a bit. Move back here AFTER pharm school. Experience west coast a bit. Not sure if this is worth probably more than 100k additional debt though...!



Me tooooo~. What is your in-state school, if you don't mind me asking?



So for us out-of-state people (or at least those on the east coast/midwest), we can probably expect letters monday-wednesday, depending on how fast mail is and how far away you live. Oh man, I'll be on the edge today again when checking mail!! It feels like Russian roulette almost haha.

Hi, Busyizzy, I know how you feel! I've made of list of pros and cons for my in-state school (also my undergraduate school) vs. UCSF too!! I think i'm having trouble deciding whether it would be worth the extra money to go to UCSF too.

 

[busyizzy]

Hi, Busyizzy, I know how you feel! I've made of list of pros and cons for my in-state school (also my undergraduate school) vs. UCSF too!! I think i'm having trouble deciding whether it would be worth the extra money to go to UCSF too.

Wow, it's really cool to see a lot more out-of-state people than I thought there'd be 🙂 We can all debate together the in-state vs out-of-state tuition... hehe.

 

[swth0208]

Wow, it's really cool to see a lot more out-of-state people than I thought there'd be 🙂 We can all debate together the in-state vs out-of-state tuition... hehe.

Hey!

I am an out of state candidate as well but only applied to Cali schools...I bet many of the people from Cali who are at University of Maryland wants to go back to sunny CA. You can get CA residency status after one year... but ultimately what is your goal? If you want to do retail, you can go to any pharmacy school but if you are thinking about doing clinical pharmacy and residency programs... UCSF will get you more likely than Maryland. Contact Maryland admissions people and find out how many of the school graduates go into residency/fellowship etc. Compare that with UCSF.... what was the # for UCSF? It was like 60% or something? I live right next to the school (UMB) and San Francisco and Baltimore are not even comparable in my opinion (in terms of city life). Maryland rent/cost of living is cheaper but you can probably find OK rent prices in SF area as well. $$$$$$ is important but as a pharmacist you can probably pay back. If you are admitted, go to UCSF.

 

[Muangz]

Congrats!

UCSF School of Pharmacy Dean Mary Anne Koda-Kimble, PharmD, will receive the 2010 Remington Honor Medal from the American Pharmacists Association (APhA) on March 13, 2010, at APhA's annual meeting in Washington, DC. The medal is the profession's highest honor.

Koda-Kimble, who is a leader in the innovation and continual advancement of pharmacy education and practice, was among a growing group of pioneers who changed the practice from one of dispensing to one that took responsibly for the overall safe and effective use of medications and the direct pharmaceutical care of patients. To teach the concept in the classroom, Koda-Kimble and Lloyd Young, PharmD, led the development of the first pharmacy school textbook on clinical therapeutics, which was initially printed in 1975.

Koda-Kimble is a 1969 alumnus of the UCSF School of Pharmacy and has been a member of the faculty since 1970.
Read more on the UCSF homepage.

 

[arrowheadgirl]

I know how everyone in this thread simply loves conspiracy theories, so here's the latest one from moi :

It seems last year, the letters were usually sent out on Wednesday or Thursday. So people got their letters either Friday or Saturday. This means that most of you can relax untill the end of the next week.


Lastly, don't feel bad if you get your letter at the end of April. I don't really believe in speculation that you are ranked lower than other applicants if you are notified later. For once, people that got their letters earlier last year, were also interviewed much earlier. For twice 🙂 🙂, it creates an unnecessary feeling of anxiety/inadequateness - and if UCSF stands for anything, it's about warm welcoming family-like togetherness and friendly inviting atmosphere and not “you are more qualified than me " sense of competitiveness.

All of you, even the waitlisted people, will be esentially in the same class, working side by side towards a common goal, so who cares if you get your letter a week earlier or later ? 😉

Thank you!

I was in one of the earlier interviews. Ahh I do and also do not want to check the mail. lol This week is going to be interesting!

 

[arrowheadgirl]

Congrats!

UCSF School of Pharmacy Dean Mary Anne Koda-Kimble, PharmD, will receive the 2010 Remington Honor Medal from the American Pharmacists Association (APhA) on March 13, 2010, at APhA's annual meeting in Washington, DC. The medal is the profession's highest honor.

Koda-Kimble, who is a leader in the innovation and continual advancement of pharmacy education and practice, was among a growing group of pioneers who changed the practice from one of dispensing to one that took responsibly for the overall safe and effective use of medications and the direct pharmaceutical care of patients. To teach the concept in the classroom, Koda-Kimble and Lloyd Young, PharmD, led the development of the first pharmacy school textbook on clinical therapeutics, which was initially printed in 1975.

Koda-Kimble is a 1969 alumnus of the UCSF School of Pharmacy and has been a member of the faculty since 1970.

That's cool. This is one of the reasons why I want to attend UCSF School of Pharmacy! You can't put a price on education. I don't think other schools offer the same experience. You get to learn from the best of the best!

 

[Muangz]

Thank you!

I was in one of the earlier interviews. Ahh I do and also do not want to check the mail. lol This week is going to be interesting!

I don't mind getting the mail. I just don't want to open it.

 

[arrowheadgirl]

Ahhh EXACTLY! I really do not like Baltimore the city, and the more I read up on it, the more I am disliking it. I like the school though .... just not the city! I made a list of cons and pros vs UMB and UCSF - and I have something about Baltimore the city in the cons section ... multiple times.

I love Maryland though. I love the DC metro area.... just not Baltimore. But at the same time, i wanna get away from home for a bit. Move back here AFTER pharm school. Experience west coast a bit. Not sure if this is worth probably more than 100k additional debt though...!



Me tooooo~. What is your in-state school, if you don't mind me asking?



So for us out-of-state people (or at least those on the east coast/midwest), we can probably expect letters monday-wednesday, depending on how fast mail is and how far away you live. Oh man, I'll be on the edge today again when checking mail!! It feels like Russian roulette almost haha.

I'm from New Mexico. Mom always wants me to go to in-state, but how can UNM compare to UCSF? I will pick UCSF over UNM any day! I know it's much more expensive to go to UCSF, but I can pay off loans once I'm done with school. You can't put a price on education. And in the end, you can make money to replace, but you can't go back in time and replace your education and experience with a different one.

Baltimore sounds cool. I've never been there. But it depends on what you want to get out of your education. Retail? Compounding pharmacy? Research?

I've been looking at UCSF for a few years now before I applied, and I really want to go there. I guess I will just have to wait and see...

As for checking the mail, everytime I got a letter from UCSF, it was approximately 5 days after everyone else...

 

[kmoogs]

In state

No mail, safe! (For today)

 

[pinole]

In state

No mail, safe! (For today)

hahaha...me too - no mail & safe for yesterday but it might change today