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What a fking farce. I was a board certified anesthesiologist in my last couple months of CCM fellowship and the idea that me and the 2 yr out CTICU PA were both equivalent critical care "educators" is goddamn hysterical.
I don’t work w/pa’s.Lately I’ve been seeing medical students with PA students on the same rotation, competing for surgical cases. As though they are interchangeable. Ticks me off. Feel bad for the medical students. Shame on those in power that are creating this environment. If I was a surgeon, I would work with a medical student every single time.
I take medical students only. No sRNas. Train your replacements. Period.
Any chance they mean “educator to other PAs” or “reporter within the NP heirarchy”?
Well, it is from Mayo after allthat is such a terrible chart that nobody with a straight face could come up with it. I mean sure, the first day PA student is just as good as the 4th year medical student.
The fact that they think medical students are comparable to midlevel students is insulting in and of itself.
Lately I’ve been seeing medical students with PA students on the same rotation, competing for surgical cases. As though they are interchangeable. Ticks me off. Feel bad for the medical students. Shame on those in power that are creating this environment. If I was a surgeon, I would work with a medical student every single time.
On the flip side, in private practice, the surgical PA is arguably the most valuable provider to a surgeon, sometimes more so than their own partners. The PA sees the patients at all stages of their visit, often writes the initial preop/consult, takes consults and sees patients in the ER, first- assists in surgery, rounds on them in the hospital, writes the preoperative orders, writes the floor orders, writes the progress notes, writes discharge summary, sees them back for the followup, takes the nighttime calls from floor RN's, takes the patient's calls - in essence makes the surgeon's life inordinately better, not to mention helps them make money. I've seen surgical practices boot associates or partners sooner than they'd give up on their PA.
Edit: not to say I don't think that graphic is ridiculous
No doubt about anything you just said. But medical students are there to learn on surgical rotations, and they should take absolute priority over PA students. They shouldn’t be interchangeable and seen as equivalents (analogy: anesthesia residents and scrnas). And frankly they shouldn’t be on the same rotation together (again, the scrna/resident analogy). I mean zero disrespect to PA students (I’ve got PAs in my own family!)On the flip side, in private practice, the surgical PA is arguably the most valuable provider to a surgeon, sometimes more so than their own partners. The PA sees the patients at all stages of their visit, often writes the initial preop/consult, takes consults and sees patients in the ER, first- assists in surgery, rounds on them in the hospital, writes the preoperative orders, writes the floor orders, writes the progress notes, writes discharge summary, sees them back for the followup, takes the nighttime calls from floor RN's, takes the patient's calls - in essence makes the surgeon's life inordinately better, not to mention helps them make money. I've seen surgical practices boot associates or partners sooner than they'd give up on their PA.
Edit: not to say I don't think that graphic is ridiculous
I know a couple surgeons who went to Mayo. They thought they were amazing…