Previous infection has very little protection against future infection from what I’ve seen, many people have had it twice by now. Same policy as all vaccinations in healthcare. If you had varicella you have to show titers or be vaccinated. COVID is just not generating natural immunity
If you read Verghese’s My Own Country, there were certainly hospitals in America that had ICUs full of patients with fulminant pneumonia as a result of AIDS and a whole bunch of uncertainty about what the cause was and how it was transmitted. Fauci was around at that time and missed quite a bit on that one as well.
Your first point. Being civil to anti vaxxers. Most here disagree with your assessment as shown by the responses.
A different forum that I post on has banned the use of the phrase “full stop” because the only person there that uses it is such a complete beating. So, I found that humorous.
This may come as a complete shock to you, but most of the country has been “open” for a year and a half. Find where the politicians vacation if you need help.
You sound very reasonable and considerate of your fellow Americans.
Just curious, what does your family do in restaurants? Do you wear the mask to the table and then unmask for the next hour and then put the mask back on as you exit the restaurant? Do you think that is effective or is it for show? I see that all of the time and I just can’t see that it has any effect except to keep people from yelling at you. With my limited understanding of viral particle size and how viruses spread as well as airflow in an enclosed space, it seems like theater to me.
Need links otherwise this is fake news. Thanks.
No, I referred to right wing social media about covid and vaccines as misinformation. Which it is. The study, itself, had the potential to be misleading and to be misterpreted by readers. Which one of the authors of the study says himself
The rationale behind the CMS mandate isn't just about transmission- it's also about reducing severe illness, hospitalization, and death in healthcare facility workers and nursing home workers. You can read the memoranda here Guidance for the Interim Final Rule - Medicare and Medicaid Programs; Omnibus COVID-19 Health Care Staff Vaccination | CMS
Was there a specific refutation of the 5+ ways HIV is substantively different from covid in this paragraph.....or just a bunch of gum flapping?
From the Israeli Health Ministry, published in the Times of Israel
Would you rather be HIV+ or COVID+? (before you say false equivalency, just don't)
The toxicity I'm referring to has nothing to do with whats happening at Houston Methodist. It's the fact that ~30% of Democrats think unvaccinated parents should have their children taken away from them. It's the toxicity that had a major newspaper write an editorial calling for the national guard to keep unvaccinated people in their homes. It's the toxicity that has people cheering the deaths of unvaccinated people. That damage is going to take a long time to heal.
The writer of this article operates from the premise that I have mentioned several times, yet has gone undefended. Many seem to believe that, if better vaccination rates had occurred, we would be done with COVID by now, such that, because COVID still exists, it is the fault of those who are unvaccinated. If you truly believe that, I understand why you would be pissed off at unvaccinated patients. I am disappointed, but not angry or harboring disdain because the vaccination rate was not higher. However, similarly, if you operate under that premise that COVID should be over and, because it isn't, it must be someone else's fault, I find it difficult to understand how, and on what basis, you have made that leap.The toxicity I'm referring to has nothing to do with whats happening at Houston Methodist. It's the fact that ~30% of Democrats think unvaccinated parents should have their children taken away from them. It's the toxicity that had a major newspaper write an editorial calling for the national guard to keep unvaccinated people in their homes. It's the toxicity that has people cheering the deaths of unvaccinated people. That damage is going to take a long time to heal.
Utah leaders have surrendered to COVID pandemic, the Editorial Board writes
Utah leaders have surrendered to COVID pandemic, the Editorial Board writeswww.sltrib.com
Exactly, far too many people remain under the illusion, or delusion rather, that we ever had a chance of getting rid of COVID. I understand their anger, as detached from reality as their beliefs may be.
It's a false equivalency.
Interesting historical context about HIV, but it's neither here nor there. Again, the points that you continue to keep ignoring:
Is there an effective 3 shot series that prevents one from getting severe disease, being hospitalized, or dying from HIV? Then why do you persist in this poor analogy?
I haven't shouted down anything. I've repeatedly laid out the specific points where your analogy fails while you meander from unrelated point to unrelated point.
My guess is you do a lot of pontificating about how bad physicians are treating covid patients online, but unlike me or @chessknt or @chocomorsel or other critical care physicians who have actually been in the sht, you really don't have a clue what the emotional toll is taking care of a unit full of covid patients - whose deaths were totally preventable by a 10 minute shot - week after week after week, year after year.
I'm still waiting for you to acknowledge that one of the authors of the Danish study you keep mentioning explicitly said "Interpretation that our research is evidence of anything but a protective vaccine effect is misrepresentative"The toxicity I'm referring to has nothing to do with whats happening at Houston Methodist. It's the fact that ~30% of Democrats think unvaccinated parents should have their children taken away from them. It's the toxicity that had a major newspaper write an editorial calling for the national guard to keep unvaccinated people in their homes. It's the toxicity that has people cheering the deaths of unvaccinated people. That damage is going to take a long time to heal.
Utah leaders have surrendered to COVID pandemic, the Editorial Board writes
Utah leaders have surrendered to COVID pandemic, the Editorial Board writes
The toxicity I'm referring to has nothing to do with whats happening at Houston Methodist. It's the fact that ~30% of Democrats think unvaccinated parents should have their children taken away from them. It's the toxicity that had a major newspaper write an editorial calling for the national guard to keep unvaccinated people in their homes. It's the toxicity that has people cheering the deaths of unvaccinated people. That damage is going to take a long time to heal.
Utah leaders have surrendered to COVID pandemic, the Editorial Board writes
Utah leaders have surrendered to COVID pandemic, the Editorial Board writes
calmatters.org
What do you expect them to say? Their research showed a protective effect at some time intervals, and no protective effect at other time intervals. They can say anything they want, but that's what their data showed.
Of course. It's out of control.Have you noticed any toxicity from the other side? The antivaxxers who are stalking public health officers and school board members at their homes and sending death threats?
'Things have gotten ugly' — pandemic pushback drives health directors to quit
Public health officers haven’t been this important in a century — but they're being second-guessed, and harassed by people angry about pandemic precautions.
It is definitely on both sides.Have you noticed any toxicity from the other side? The antivaxxers who are stalking public health officers and school board members at their homes and sending death threats?
'Things have gotten ugly' — pandemic pushback drives health directors to quit
Public health officers haven’t been this important in a century — but they're being second-guessed, and harassed by people angry about pandemic precautions.
Anyone can say anything. That doesn't mean any explanation is equally likely. Instead of believing the author and the scientific explanations which explain how a biased selection with skewed sample sizes could lead for that result, you decide to go with the totally biologically implausible conspiracy theory that vaccines cause negative efficacy. Christ.
Yes
Except the things you are likely thinking off aren't really the same at all.
For the 4th (?) time now, you're not actually responding substantively to the numerous differences that cause your poor analogies to fail.
I answered your question. But to repeat myself since you purposefully ignore answers which are inconvenient to your mistaken narratives:
What's your point here? You're obsessed with a strawman that the only reason people want everyone vaccinated is to prevent cases, when even back in January of last year the original EUA for Pfizer was to prevent severe disease, hospitalization, and death (and the eventual full approval for Pfizer was based on the same). Yes, omicron immune escape and the number of cases suck, but no one would care if hospitals still weren't getting jammed up by masses of unvaccinated people.
The point is, that you assume COVID would be done if people would have just gotten vaccinated. I think your premise is fundamentally flawed from the outset and causes problems with a lot of your other opinions.
You have added an aspect that has not really be explored. The long term safety data. Many out there have significant concerns about this, as it has not been long term tested and manufacturers have been given a free pass in that regard. In 5-10 years, if a long term side effect rears its head, it will be difficult to reconcile. Not saying it will, but I cannot really blame people for having some hesitancy and weighing their risks and benefits if they are in a low risk population. To dismiss them as ignorant with no understanding of their stated concerns is a huge part of the problem of why it will not get better for a large part of the population. Hard to believe, but there are many who distrust the government and, as medical leaders align with the government, their distrust of medical leaders increases.
As I tell patients every day, in our incredibly long successful history of vaccines, long-term side effects are blindingly rare. Almost unheard of.
our incredibly long history of novel mRNA treatments???
...blindingly rare...
Time to develop an entirely new class of vaccine to a new virus: 11 months.
If you'll notice in my earlier post citing this study I said the "negative efficacy was hard to believe." I was using these studies as evidence that current efficacy against infection is negligible.
This is what kills me. There’s probably 5-6 vaccines or titers you’ve had to prove since undergrad let alone to get/maintain your hospital credentialing. What’s changed?
Journals publish anything related to COVID now and it is all about getting it in print the fastest. Just like the media wants to be the first with the big story.
Are you disputing that the worst healthcare infrastructure, economic, and generalized societal effects wouldn't have been essentially done with if vaccination and seroprevalence were high enough back when delta and alpha were predominant? Maybe absolute containment of spread or preventing the development of variants (since much of the rest of the world lacks much of our vaccine access and has uncontrolled spread) was unrealistic, but even just preventing the overwhelming of hospitals by the unvaccinated would've made 2021 much less of a shtshow.
Every vaccine was novel once. None of them have caused long term issues that I am aware of. Could this be the one that does? Absolutely. I admit as much to patients all the time and if this wasn't a once in a century pandemic that has devestated our hospitals 3 times in the last 2 years, caused significant economic issues, and devastated huge numbers of people/families I would also be somewhat hesitant. It's also why I don't put a huge amount of pressure on my 20 year old completely healthy patients.
