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I'm 31 years old, I dropped out of college in 2004 (3.2 gap) and moved to West Africa as a full-time global health volunteer for 6 months. I saw the medical needs, moved back to the U.S. and enlisted in the military (so I could get future college paid for). I am now a disabled veteran and finishing med school requirements in San Diego. I just got a 31 on MCAT (w/ no Biochem, Ochem, Physio or Micro yet), and my current state school gpa w/ sciences is 3.93 (3.5 overall combined with 2000-2004). I grew up on food stamps in inner city Atlanta and later rural north georgia. Oldest of 5 kids w/ single mother. I am "Big Brother" mentor, over 300 hours of hospital volunteer/shadowing, and I currently volunteer in a research lab. I feel like my experiences are unique and valuable, but with a 31 MCAT & 31 yrs old... Do I have a real chance?
 
Age won't matter at all in your case. At 31 you won't be the oldest one in your med school class. A 31 is also a pretty good MCAT. Don't let the pre-allo forum freak you out. Everyone there may claim to have a 40 MCAT, but in real life you're at about the average for accepted students. That MCAT combined with an average GPA and some excellent life experiences should make you a pretty good candidate for MD schools. Apply to your state schools, MD schools like Tulane that place a lot of emphasis on volunteering and experience, and you will probably get in somewhere. Throw in some good DO schools as safeties and you'll be set no matter what.
 
Do I have a real chance?

I think you have a very real chance! You also have an interesting life story 🙂 So make sure this story shows through your personal statement and application.
 
Your application sounds awesome. You demonstrated an ability to do well with pre-med courses and the MCAT, volunteered in the military and in Africa, come from a disadvantaged home and seem to be motivated to do well. You can probably write a novel about your life so far. Use every opportunity to talk about the positive aspects of yourself in your AMCAS application. My story is similar to yours. I focused on my disadvantaged background and some military stuff in my personal essay to peak their interest. Then for my activities section I focused on the other experiences to add onto the traits I didn't have room to write about in my personal essay. For my secondaries I tried to emphasize the main aspects of my background. There is no doubt that you are an awesome candidate for medical school with your demonstrated commitment to others. Best of luck!
 
I'm 31 years old, I dropped out of college in 2004 (3.2 gap) and moved to West Africa as a full-time global health volunteer for 6 months. I saw the medical needs, moved back to the U.S. and enlisted in the military (so I could get future college paid for). I am now a disabled veteran and finishing med school requirements in San Diego. I just got a 31 on MCAT (w/ no Biochem, Ochem, Physio or Micro yet), and my current state school gpa w/ sciences is 3.93 (3.5 overall combined with 2000-2004). I grew up on food stamps in inner city Atlanta and later rural north georgia. Oldest of 5 kids w/ single mother. I am "Big Brother" mentor, over 300 hours of hospital volunteer/shadowing, and I currently volunteer in a research lab. I feel like my experiences are unique and valuable, but with a 31 MCAT & 31 yrs old... Do I have a real chance?
You do, with the caveat that you didn't tell us what kind of disability you have. All med schools have specific technical standards that you must be able to meet (or have reasonably accommodated) in order to complete your training. You should also consider that, depending on the type of disability, your residency options may be limited. I'm not saying any of this to discourage you, but only so that you consider these issues ahead of time and are prepared to address them when they come up.
 
You have a great resume. A fascinating life experience. Your MCAT and GPA are excellent. I am sure you will be accepted! good luck.
 
You do, with the caveat that you didn't tell us what kind of disability you have. All med schools have specific technical standards that you must be able to meet (or have reasonably accommodated) in order to complete your training. You should also consider that, depending on the type of disability, your residency options may be limited. I'm not saying any of this to discourage you, but only so that you consider these issues ahead of time and are prepared to address them when they come up.
That's a great point. I have mostly orthopedic/limb limitations. No brain trauma or PTSD. I don't think those are too bad right?
 
Wow guys, thanks for the encouragement. I definitely tried to emphasize my experiences and new found motivation/discipline. And as "sawbones" noted, I've been pretty nervous feeling like everyone has incredible GPA + MCATS and they're STILL NOT getting accepted so I was worried. The other caveat is that since I have been in CA for so long, and in SD finishing school, I'm a California resident... Which seems to be the worst state to be from if you want to get into an MD school lol.
 
That's a great point. I have mostly orthopedic/limb limitations. No brain trauma or PTSD. I don't think those are too bad right?

You're golden. You're gonna do well if your grades and such are even on the lower edge of normative. If your hands are compromised you might have specialty specific issues that rely heavily on manual dexterity of the fingers. But you should absolutely to medicine regardless as you might be able to overcome that depending on your situation.

Best of luck. You have an amazing story so far.


Edit. I just re-read your original post. You're good to go for California. You're a stud, don't worry about it. You're gonna make your competition look blasé with their BS little EC's.
 
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Yeah I know I'm reiterating what everyone else says but uhhhh yeah you've basically got the perfect story and pretty damn near perfect stats. You fit that non-traditional student niche to a T. You should join the non-traditional applicants thread if you're not a member.
 
Yeah I know I'm reiterating what everyone else says but uhhhh yeah you've basically got the perfect story and pretty damn near perfect stats. You fit that non-traditional student niche to a T. You should join the non-traditional applicants thread if you're not a member.
I'm such a noob here, I have been talking to some other applicants at my school and they weren't so encouraging since I only had a 31, but this has been a real pick me up since I heard everyone's take here. Not sure how to join that thread but I'm researching now...
 
I'm 31 years old, I dropped out of college in 2004 (3.2 gap) and moved to West Africa as a full-time global health volunteer for 6 months. I saw the medical needs, moved back to the U.S. and enlisted in the military (so I could get future college paid for). I am now a disabled veteran and finishing med school requirements in San Diego. I just got a 31 on MCAT (w/ no Biochem, Ochem, Physio or Micro yet), and my current state school gpa w/ sciences is 3.93 (3.5 overall combined with 2000-2004). I grew up on food stamps in inner city Atlanta and later rural north georgia. Oldest of 5 kids w/ single mother. I am "Big Brother" mentor, over 300 hours of hospital volunteer/shadowing, and I currently volunteer in a research lab. I feel like my experiences are unique and valuable, but with a 31 MCAT & 31 yrs old... Do I have a real chance?

You'll be fine. All a candidate like you needs to show is you can handle the rigor of medical school. A 31 on the MCAT and excellent GPA shows them that. I am using my post 9/11 GI bill for medical school, but I assume yours is already exhausted or are you using voc rehab for school now? Either way, check out your options to see if the VA can cover your schooling.

The key thing I tell every vet is use your experiences to explain why they will make you a great doctor and with the stats in order you will almost be guaranteed to get in.
 
That's a great point. I have mostly orthopedic/limb limitations. No brain trauma or PTSD. I don't think those are too bad right?
I'm not exactly sure what "orthopedic/limb limitations" means, and please don't feel obligated to detail your disabilities here on SDN. But again, you will need to be able to meet your med school's technical standards, with reasonable accommodation as needed/possible. Obviously there is quite some room for interpretation here, particularly with regard to what kind of accommodations are "reasonable." But if you go to the websites of the schools you are considering, many of them post their technical standards on line. You can read them and decide for yourself whether you can meet them, or what, if any, accommodations you believe you would need in order to be able to meet them. Again, it will be helpful to have given thought to these issues ahead of time so that you can address them as they come up.

truthDMC said:
Wow guys, thanks for the encouragement. I definitely tried to emphasize my experiences and new found motivation/discipline. And as "sawbones" noted, I've been pretty nervous feeling like everyone has incredible GPA + MCATS and they're STILL NOT getting accepted so I was worried. The other caveat is that since I have been in CA for so long, and in SD finishing school, I'm a California resident... Which seems to be the worst state to be from if you want to get into an MD school lol.
What you see on SDN is not reality, in the sense that the stats that get bandied about on our forums are not the real averages. Among matriculated med students at MD schools, the average stats are more along the lines of 3.5-3.6 GPA and 30-31 MCAT, exactly what you have. So you are not applying from a position of weakness with regard to your stats. Your stats are, in fact, average for MD *matriculants* (and above average for MD *applicants*).

You should be starting to realize by now that stats are not everything when it comes to successful med school admissions. There are some countries where they decide who gets to go to medical school by administering a national exam. The US isn't one of them. Competitive stats are important for US medical school admissions, but they are not the only thing that is important. The med school I attended could easily fill every class with people who have 35+ MCAT scores and 3.8+ GPAs. And yet, all four of the years I was on the adcom, we accepted a few people with MCATs in the mid 20s or GPAs below 3.0 whom we believed would make other important contributions to our class and to the field of medicine in general.

Keep in mind too that you will never know the whole story of why someone else did or did not get accepted. Trying to figure out why someone with high stats didn't get accepted to med school is like trying to figure out why one couple gets married while another breaks up; there is so much that goes on behind closed doors that you're never able to know. In fact, you don't even know the whole story of your own app, since you don't get to read your LORs or see your interview score sheets.

My advice is to give yourself the best possible odds of getting an acceptance by applying broadly and strategically, and then have faith in the admissions process. As the extremely low med school attrition rate suggests, adcoms are remarkably good at selecting applicants who will successfully complete their programs. Remember too that even if *you* don't always see the method in the madness, that doesn't mean there is no method. Medical school admissions, like medicine in general, is an art and not a science.

Best of luck with your apps. 🙂
 
QofQuimica, Thank you so much for the insight and the heads up. I am searching that info currently. Essentially I am like John McCain, in that I can't lift my arms much above my shoulders, and I walk with a limp. But I can handle anything within that realm. I am grateful for the candor and the details for being properly prepared... Proper prep prevents potential problems.. sorry military never fully gets outta your head. Thanks again. ...

And yes "xffan624" - I'm using Voc rehab. I'm hoping it will all work out but I haven't begun the process. Only used 16 months all total thus far.

Thanks guys
 
First, many thanks for your service to your country.

Your chances are golden.



I'm 31 years old, I dropped out of college in 2004 (3.2 gap) and moved to West Africa as a full-time global health volunteer for 6 months. I saw the medical needs, moved back to the U.S. and enlisted in the military (so I could get future college paid for). I am now a disabled veteran and finishing med school requirements in San Diego. I just got a 31 on MCAT (w/ no Biochem, Ochem, Physio or Micro yet), and my current state school gpa w/ sciences is 3.93 (3.5 overall combined with 2000-2004). I grew up on food stamps in inner city Atlanta and later rural north georgia. Oldest of 5 kids w/ single mother. I am "Big Brother" mentor, over 300 hours of hospital volunteer/shadowing, and I currently volunteer in a research lab. I feel like my experiences are unique and valuable, but with a 31 MCAT & 31 yrs old... Do I have a real chance?
 
Essentially I am like John McCain, in that I can't lift my arms much above my shoulders, and I walk with a limp.

I've been following this thread closely. Hopefully, your disability won't prevent you from getting accepted into med school. I've seen doctors who walk with a limp. I don't know if the fact that you can't raise the arms high up would become a problem... Probably, your choice of specialties/residencies will be somewhat limited.
Anyway, just wanted to say that I hope it all work out for you!
 
I remember seeing an article a few years ago about a resident who was in a wheelchair and a wooden ramp was built around the exam table so he could complete a family practice rotation. If you have the drive (and you obviously do based on your story), you'll make it.

Thank you for your service. 🙂
 
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