University of Minnesota IM

[cardsonc]

The fellowship placement of internal medicine graduates looks ordinary with most cards and GI applicants matching only at university of minnesota. Can someone please comment? Does this reflect poorly on the quality of the program?

2012 Fellowships
Cardiology
University of Minnesota
Emory University
Hematology/Oncology
University of Texas
University of Minnesota
Infectious Diseases Baylor Colle
Nephrology University of Minnesota
Sleep Medicine Hennepin County Medical Center
2011 Fellowships
Cardiology
University of Minnesota (2)
St. John Providence
St. Luke's Heart & Vascular
University of Nebraska
University of South Alabama
Critical Care & Infectious Diseases Mayo Clinic
Endocrinology University of Minnesota (3)
Gastroenterology University of Minnesota (2)
Hematology/Oncology Beth Israel Deaconess Med Center
Dartmouth

Infectious Diseases
University of Minnesota
Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center
Nephrology University of Minnesota
Pulmonary & Critical Care
University of Minnesota
Mayo Clinic
University of Iowa
2010 Fellowships Cardiology University of Minnesota (2)
University of Nebraska
Gastroenterology University of Minnesota
Northwestern University
Wayne State
Hematology/Oncology University of Minnesota (2)
University of California, Davis
University of Iowa
University of California, San Diego (2)
Rheumatology University of Minnesota

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[jdh71]

The fellowship placement of internal medicine graduates looks ordinary with most cards and GI applicants matching only at university of minnesota. Can someone please comment? Does this reflect poorly on the quality of the program?

2012 Fellowships
Cardiology
University of Minnesota
Emory University
Hematology/Oncology
University of Texas
University of Minnesota
Infectious Diseases Baylor Colle
Nephrology University of Minnesota
Sleep Medicine Hennepin County Medical Center
2011 Fellowships
Cardiology
University of Minnesota (2)
St. John Providence
St. Luke's Heart & Vascular
University of Nebraska
University of South Alabama
Critical Care & Infectious Diseases Mayo Clinic
Endocrinology University of Minnesota (3)
Gastroenterology University of Minnesota (2)
Hematology/Oncology Beth Israel Deaconess Med Center
Dartmouth

Infectious Diseases
University of Minnesota
Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center
Nephrology University of Minnesota
Pulmonary & Critical Care
University of Minnesota
Mayo Clinic
University of Iowa
2010 Fellowships Cardiology University of Minnesota (2)
University of Nebraska
Gastroenterology University of Minnesota
Northwestern University
Wayne State
Hematology/Oncology University of Minnesota (2)
University of California, Davis
University of Iowa
University of California, San Diego (2)
Rheumatology University of Minnesota

This really needs to go into the FAQs if it's not there. Although, I don't think anyone has stepped forward to update it. I'd love to but perhaps not THAT motivated.

Look. When it comes to fellowship . . . where people match to fellowship tells you exactly DICK for the most part. Most AMGs go where they want for fellowship based on the places they interview. You have NO CLUE where the people who did IM at UMinn interviewed. What you can tell, is that they chose to stay at UMinn for those fellowships. It's easy to make the assumption that because UMinn didn't sent everyone to Hopkins for Cardio that they suck. Simply not true.

Now with that said, the academic nature of the residency program will largely determine the academic nature of where you'll likely be invited to interview for fellowship (+ who's writing you letters, and who knows them somewhere else). All of the "big name" fellowship for just about anything are "big name" because of their research funds - don't get me wrong they may have this, that or the other thing that they are trying out that many places do not, or they may have a sub-subspecialist or two, but they main reason they are the "big name" is because there are a bunch of people there getting money from the NIH - many for basic science. These places are looking for people comitted to RESEARCH academics if they are going to spend time and money on a fellow. They tend to recruit people who are willing to stick around for an extra year and do more research, get funded and stay on as faculty, and they find this much more often coming out of the "big name" IM programs. No hard feelings. That's the game. You're probably not going to get that much better a clinical experience in a qualitative sense not doing cardio at Duke than you will at say, University of Arkansas (random pick for example), especially if you're 1) not planning and academic research career, or 2) planning on going into private practice.

And why wouldn't these people want to stay at UMinn? - cardio there has aggressive heart transplant/LVAD and with that comes crazy heart failure patients, as well as pulmonary hypertension, on top of all your other bread and butter cards, EP, and interventions, and their GI also has an agressive transplant service and that means great hepatology, with referral from all over the upper midwest, lots of panc/bili stuff on top of the bread and butter scopes. The question isn't why would anyone want to stay at UMinn, but why wouldn't they? To add to context here, and context is important, people from Minnesota love the **** out of Minnesota, they don't leave. If they leave they come back, and then never leave again. 9 months of winter and 3 months of bad sledding . . . who knew? Though, the Twin Cities are actually super-nice cities - real cities - and while not NY, LA, or Chicago, I think it would be hard not to find things that you want there. It's like Portland but in the middle of the country.

Hope this helps address your question.

 

[surge55]

This really needs to go into the FAQs if it's not there. Although, I don't think anyone has stepped forward to update it. I'd love to but perhaps not THAT motivated.

Look. When it comes to fellowship . . . where people match to fellowship tells you exactly DICK for the most part. Most AMGs go where they want for fellowship based on the places they interview. You have NO CLUE where the people who did IM at UMinn interviewed. What you can tell, is that they chose to stay at UMinn for those fellowships. It's easy to make the assumption that because UMinn didn't sent everyone to Hopkins for Cardio that they suck. Simply not true.

Now with that said, the academic nature of the residency program will largely determine the academic nature of where you'll likely be invited to interview for fellowship (+ who's writing you letters, and who knows them somewhere else). All of the "big name" fellowship for just about anything are "big name" because of their research funds - don't get me wrong they may have this, that or the other thing that they are trying out that many places do not, or they may have a sub-subspecialist or two, but they main reason they are the "big name" is because there are a bunch of people there getting money from the NIH - many for basic science. These places are looking for people comitted to RESEARCH academics if they are going to spend time and money on a fellow. They tend to recruit people who are willing to stick around for an extra year and do more research, get funded and stay on as faculty, and they find this much more often coming out of the "big name" IM programs. No hard feelings. That's the game. You're probably not going to get that much better a clinical experience in a qualitative sense not doing cardio at Duke than you will at say, University of Arkansas (random pick for example), especially if you're 1) not planning and academic research career, or 2) planning on going into private practice.

And why wouldn't these people want to stay at UMinn? - cardio there has aggressive heart transplant/LVAD and with that comes crazy heart failure patients, as well as pulmonary hypertension, on top of all your other bread and butter cards, EP, and interventions, and their GI also has an agressive transplant service and that means great hepatology, with referral from all over the upper midwest, lots of panc/bili stuff on top of the bread and butter scopes. The question isn't why would anyone want to stay at UMinn, but why wouldn't they? To add to context here, and context is important, people from Minnesota love the **** out of Minnesota, they don't leave. If they leave they come back, and then never leave again. 9 months of winter and 3 months of bad sledding . . . who knew? Though, the Twin Cities are actually super-nice cities - real cities - and while not NY, LA, or Chicago, I think it would be hard not to find things that you want there. It's like Portland but in the middle of the country.

Hope this helps address your question.

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[sunset823]

I'm not from Minnesota but it's high on my list, and I can definitely attest to what JDH said about Minnesotans never wanting to leave. I have several friends from there who desperately want to go back. Some could match at Harvard or Hopkins with their #s but the Twin Cities are a giant magnet. Lol so, yeah take the fact people stay in house with a grain of salt. I personally think their match list is terrific and I'd have no issue living in Minneapolis for 6 years, my kinda city