University of Oklahoma, Classes of 2008-2011

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i dont know but i really think that if i studied for two more days as hard as i did today, i could do pretty well on the neuro test.

I definitely agree with this statement, but my problem is that if the exam were two days away, I'm pretty sure that I'd be saying the same thing the day after tomorrow. I'm going to have to remove the television from my apartment.
 
*click click*
There's no place like home.
There's no place like home.
There's no place like home!!!!

d*mnit...I'm still here😡
 
I feel a great disturbance in the force.

It's as if 160 people cried out in horror when they realized that no, they didn't do a good job of memorizing the syllabus for Neuro.


Mmm... brains.
 
I feel a great disturbance in the force.

It's as if 160 people cried out in horror when they realized that no, they didn't do a good job of memorizing the syllabus for Neuro.


Mmm... brains.

Yeah, there was definitely stuff I could have studied more. Stupid O'Don. 😡 Of course I was expecting that. Compared with phys, though, I think neuro is pretty easy. So far, anyway. :scared: I guess that means I'm one of those dumb people who's better at memorizing and worse at conceptualizing. 🙂
 
All 2010ers If they taught you any telepathy in Neuro, please find all of the ADCOM members you can and pass on.....

O-A-G-A-I-T

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Sweet. Did you do your instrument work at Oklahoma Aviation? If so, who was ur instructor?
Nope.

My uncle works at Southeastern Oklahoma State University, so I was down there in Durant. I went one weekend a month during the fall and had my check ride about three weeks ago. I was actually enrolled in their instrument flying course.

Even with tuition it was still cheaper to fly down there. Their 172s go for $88 an hour wet, unfortunately you can't use them for personal rental, only in conjunction with a class.
 
I feel a great disturbance in the force.

It's as if 160 people cried out in horror when they realized that no, they didn't do a good job of memorizing the syllabus for Neuro.


Mmm... brains.

you called that one. same thing happen last year?
 
I was considering sending a stong letter of intent, but I not sure if it would benefit me. I need to mail it soon, for the AdCom will have it's final meeting soon, 02/25. Will they even accept it? Should I talk to Dotty first? Any comments would be greatly appreciated. 😎
 
I was considering sending a stong letter of intent, but I not sure if it would benefit me. I need to mail it soon, for the AdCom will have it's final meeting soon, 02/25. Will they even accept it? Should I talk to Dotty first? Any comments would be greatly appreciated. 😎

I'll put it this way, I'm pretty sure it can't HURT. I can say from experience that I sent MULTIPLE letters of intent to my top-choice school where I was waitlisted, and I never moved off the waitlist (yes, I admit it wasn't OU, but since that particular school ended up under several feet of water in Katrina, it probably worked out for the best). BUT, that was another school in another state, so there's really no telling what that means for OU. And maybe I was very last on the waiting list and it did help me, but not enough to get in (the school was quite competitive, if you haven't figured out which one it is yet).

But I think my point is that I don't see how it could hurt your chances to let them know that you're still interested and haven't forgotten about them (and hope they haven't forgotten about you). And it just might help 🙂 So I would just send it. It won't take too long to write, and it just might swing the vote in your direction 🙂 :luck:
 
I was considering sending a stong letter of intent, but I not sure if it would benefit me. I need to mail it soon, for the AdCom will have it's final meeting soon, 02/25. Will they even accept it? Should I talk to Dotty first? Any comments would be greatly appreciated. 😎

I agree with WiJG's comments. Furthermore, make sure it's not a form letter or printed, even. Write it by hand on some nice paper. Put some feeling into it, and it'll go farther than some kind of canned response. 😉

I'm kind of extrapolating what I've heard/read about residency application since I've not had much (any) experience with writting letters of intent or interest on the med school side of things.

Good luck!
 
Furthermore, make sure it's not a form letter or printed, even. Write it by hand on some nice paper. Put some feeling into it, and it'll go farther than some kind of canned response. 😉 Good luck!

I think you got something there. Tomorrow I'm shopping for a felt-tip pen and some classy paper. 😎
 
It's as if 160 people cried out in horror when they realized that no, they didn't do a good job of memorizing the syllabus for Neuro.

The exams were pretty fair aside from a question that asked us to discriminate forearm/wrist innervation from hand innervation with respect to C8. I thought that one was a little bit iffy. Most of the pictures I've seen show C8 from about mid forearm out to the pinky.

Isn't it strange that the L5 dermatome covers the toes while the rump is more like S4/S5? If I didn't know any better, I'd think that our designer used some kind of four-legged creature as a template. :scared:

I'm kind of extrapolating what I've heard/read about residency application since I've not had much (any) experience with writting letters of intent or interest on the med school side of things.

Tough comparison. With the residency programs, there is a much greater emphasis placed on the interpersonal fluff because the people doing the interviews actually have to work with you; and it's fairly common for them to say that board scores get the interviews while interviews get the spots. With med school admissions, hundreds of rejected applicants are often interviewed.

Here is my conclusion after participating in five recent MD and MD/PhD admissions cycles with varied levels of success. Interviewing panels start forgetting students in the five minutes between their interviews and finish forgetting by about dinnertime the same day. It's typical for them to score you and throw your file back on the stack to be sorted later.

You could take this one of two ways. The first (what most people want to derive) is that an additional letter afterwards serves as a reminder of your interest/ability. Indeed if this sort of thing helps, then of course everybody should do it. The other conclusion is that it is a waste of time because you've already been scored and sorted. In that case the letter of intent becomes a placebo.

Tough to evaluate oos apps here. The stats on the website don't differentiate oos from in-state.

I'll put it this way, I'm pretty sure it can't HURT. I can say from experience that I sent MULTIPLE letters of intent to my top-choice school where I was waitlisted, and I never moved off the waitlist (yes, I admit it wasn't OU, but since that particular school ended up under several feet of water in Katrina, it probably worked out for the best). BUT, that was another school in another state, so there's really no telling what that means for OU. And maybe I was very last on the waiting list and it did help me, but not enough to get in (the school was quite competitive, if you haven't figured out which one it is yet).

My first choice was Baylor, but I would have had to kidnap somebody's child and bargain a ransom given the lovely F that I got in organic I the first time I took it. I actually declined here twice before finally accepting. I don't think that a high percentage of OU students got accepted at any other allo schools. I took OU over my home state because we were traditional and they were systems-based.

One of the things that I have learned since becoming an SDNer is that schools such as Tulane, Drexel, Boston, and SLU draw 5,000-9,000 applications; and Drexel interviews something like 10 times the number they matriculate. That's just amazing to me given their MCAT medians and tuition costs. I'm curious as to why they're so popular, but I've been told many times in pre-allo that I'm out-of-touch with them so I gave up.
 
One of the things that I have learned since becoming an SDNer is that schools such as Tulane, Drexel, Boston, and SLU draw 5,000-9,000 applications; and Drexel interviews something like 10 times the number they matriculate. That's just amazing to me given their MCAT medians and tuition costs. I'm curious as to why they're so popular, but I've been told many times in pre-allo that I'm out-of-touch with them so I gave up.

I can tell you that with Tulane it was really mostly New Orleans and the students that were the draw for me... they were just especially friendly and welcoming and they all seemed very happy. They are also a bit better set up for homeschooling. SLU though... that one I don't know 🙂 I got into SLU before I got into OU, and would definitely have gone there if OU hadn't worked out for me, but the tuition was definitely a big OUCH for me, and it's not in a great part of St. Louis. The facilities are a little nicer and more modernized, but not > $20,000 nicer (IMO). The cost of living is a lot higher too, and they didn't reflect that in my budget... so I'm here 🙂 And I'm really pretty happy here, and the students aren't quite as miserable in general as they seemed on interview day 🙂
 
One of the things that I have learned since becoming an SDNer is that schools such as Tulane, Drexel, Boston, and SLU draw 5,000-9,000 applications; and Drexel interviews something like 10 times the number they matriculate. That's just amazing to me given their MCAT medians and tuition costs. I'm curious as to why they're so popular, but I've been told many times in pre-allo that I'm out-of-touch with them so I gave up.

I think it's because those schools aren't super competitive (meaning that their average mcat is more like a 30 instead of a 35), and they have no preference for residents of any state or area. If you can't get into your state schools, schools like Drexel, SLU, etc. seems like your next best shot. Supposedly Drexel and SLU are full of Californians. 🙂
 
I think it's because those schools aren't super competitive (meaning that their average mcat is more like a 30 instead of a 35), and they have no preference for residents of any state or area. If you can't get into your state schools, schools like Drexel, SLU, etc. seems like your next best shot. Supposedly Drexel and SLU are full of Californians. 🙂

Interesting. The girl who talked to us at the interviews (STaT president or the like) said that she picked OU over Harvard or something, but she also referenced SLU as being supposedly more prestigious than OU (a common perception in this region). I never really gathered the same such opinion--it seemed much more like "the other" med school in town, but I guess that must be the draw if their admissions standards are lower than in-state requirements in some areas. Of course SLU is my first choice for residency regardless of the specialty, but most people aren't so goofy that they make their choice based on the local professional baseball team.

Different subject--they should call STaT "Students Today Alumni Tomorrow" because I have no idea what the acronym means right now. They should also give nonresidents a tuition break for participating because right now there really is no incentive for nonresidents to give as alumni if they get shafted with 2X tuition while they're here.

so I'm here 🙂 And I'm really pretty happy here, and the students aren't quite as miserable in general as they seemed on interview day 🙂

We're glad too!

If I were to go through the application cycle once more, the questions that I would have asked would have been much much different. Dunno if I would have chosen differently, but I think that there was a fair amount of misrepresentation at each of the schools I visited.

I know that significant change is too much to ask, but if they would let us tinker just a little bit with minimal cost of time/effort, I think that they could make some small changes here that would go a long way in helping us learn. Letting us buy a color syllabus is one thing (and stop calling it a syllabus, it's really a course guide). A better testing system is another, and somebody needs to work out the kinks of what should be required attendance and what shouldn't. Dr. V. was supposedly quite irritated the other day that so few people came to class, yet they scheduled a fairly common-sense optional-attendance introductory lecture a week before exams. Duh.

A few other minor things--let us change IMPS groups each session (i.e. lemme meet some new people), pitch the PBLs, give more free lunches, actually teach basic clinical skills the first year, don't use bad questions on exams, outlaw overhead projectors, have student elections later, lower tuition from 3% to 2% of the overall college budget, replace the deans, make bagel sit next to me during the lecture hall practicals, etc.

Smitty--I saw you trying to turn in your exam like Freeze. 😀 By the way, I don't know what you mean by weight gain, you still look great to me. 👍
 
A few other minor things--let us change IMPS groups each session (i.e. lemme meet some new people), pitch the PBLs, give more free lunches, actually teach basic clinical skills the first year, don't use bad questions on exams, outlaw overhead projectors, have student elections later, lower tuition from 3% to 2% of the overall college budget, replace the deans, make bagel sit next to me during the lecture hall practicals, etc.

The first is a really good idea and seems actually doable. 🙂 The latter, well, yeah, good luck. 🙁

So I wonder how many people said we should increase pbl's on our last pbl evaluation. I put "strongly disagree" for that one.

Does it seem like the class of 2009 is a little more brave about discussing things on their message board? I've actually read a few complaints there. 😱
 
Of course SLU is my first choice for residency regardless of the specialty, but most people aren't so goofy that they make their choice based on the local professional baseball team.

We spent a couple days in SL back in Sept and caught a game at the new Busch Stadium, which is really nice. It was total fun even though the Cardinals lost to the sucky Pirates. We then went to Chicago for a couple days and caught a Cubs game (they also played the Pirates, boo). I'm all for nostalgia, but Wrigley sucked. They should keep the sign and build a new stadium.

SL seemed like a dirty city, or maybe just a different kind of dirty than I am used to. I don't think that I would want to live there, although we did have a lot of fun. Do they have good residencies there or just a good ballteam?
 
I took OU over my home state because we were traditional and they were systems-based.

But it seems like from other posts, you might have liked the systems-based better, or am I reading you wrong?

I am a big believer that a good student will learn the same amount regardless of the school that they go to. I applied very, very narrowly this cycle due to my aforemention MCAT timing. I probably could have waited and applied to more "prestigious" schools for 2008 admission (not that I would have been accepted or anything), but in the end, I think that I will be the same doctor whether I go to OU or Baylor.
 
actually teach basic clinical skills the first year

You guys really have no idea. I hear what you're saying, but what you guys are getting in terms of clinical skills is many more times what we got. (I hate to pull the "back in my day..." card 🙂 ). We learned NOTHING about the physical exam whatsoever 1st year. Many of us never even used our stethoscopes. But we moaned and groaned and complained, and it looks like they made SOME progress with you guys... believe me, you won't be anywhere near as lost as we are now.

We just now learned to do the entire PE a few weeks ago, and we're already taking turns being tested on performing a complete PE on a nursing student (and when I say COMPLETE, I really mean it... femoral pulses, inguinal nodes, you name it). We have to be able to do at least 90% of the several page checklist without looking at it, and we've had next to no practice.

I feel really ill-prepared for third year in that regard. I can get one hell of a history (as I'm sure you guys can by now too), but my PE is very clumsy, and there's no way I'll be able to pick up abnormal findings for a few months of third year. I know there will always be a learning curve, but I think the school could do a lot more to make it easier... certainly alot of other schools have gone that route. Most of the people I know had histories as down pat as they were ever going to get early in 2nd semester of 1st year, but we continued to "practice" that into 2nd year (when we should have been learning physical exam skills). Anyway, I'm off my soapbox, just wanted to let you know how much worse it was back in my day 🙂
 
Does it seem like the class of 2009 is a little more brave about discussing things on their message board? I've actually read a few complaints there. 😱

I understand that some people on this board have had bad experiences with the administration, but by and large our class has found them very receptive to constructive criticism. We do complain on our board, because they do read it, and they often fix what we're complaining about. If you saw our complaints about our most recent review session, you probably also noticed that we got a response back from the acting course director within a day apologizing and offering more useful review information.

They don't always fix it (as I'm sure you guys noticed this last exam block), but they have made some positive changes in response to our feedback, and typically the less anonymous the feedback, the more seriously they take it. Most of the time, when we're upset, we email the course directors and administrators. As long as you're calm and reasonable about it, they're usually happy to hear from you and try to work with you to resolve it, especially when they hear from several students about the same issue. I am sorry to hear that this hasn't been everyone's experience though.
 
You guys really have no idea. I hear what you're saying, but what you guys are getting in terms of clinical skills is many more times what we got. (I hate to pull the "back in my day..." card 🙂 ). We learned NOTHING about the physical exam whatsoever 1st year. Many of us never even used our stethoscopes. But we moaned and groaned and complained, and it looks like they made SOME progress with you guys... believe me, you won't be anywhere near as lost as we are now.

The CS portion of step 2 has really gotten everybody flustered over whether or not to do more clinical stuff in M1/2. It was up in the air up until school started, and it's still unclear how our PE will impact our PCM evaluation.

If you saw our complaints about our most recent review session, you probably also noticed that we got a response back from the acting course director within a day apologizing and offering more useful review information.

GB reads the board? He's my lab director at Childrens. No wonder I got assigned to all of those stool cultures. Damn Salmonella oubreak. 👎

If you ate an affected peanut butter lot and got sick, please, go to Baptist if your insurance allows it.
 
I understand that some people on this board have had bad experiences with the administration, but by and large our class has found them very receptive to constructive criticism. We do complain on our board, because they do read it, and they often fix what we're complaining about. If you saw our complaints about our most recent review session, you probably also noticed that we got a response back from the acting course director within a day apologizing and offering more useful review information.

They don't always fix it (as I'm sure you guys noticed this last exam block), but they have made some positive changes in response to our feedback, and typically the less anonymous the feedback, the more seriously they take it. Most of the time, when we're upset, we email the course directors and administrators. As long as you're calm and reasonable about it, they're usually happy to hear from you and try to work with you to resolve it, especially when they hear from several students about the same issue. I am sorry to hear that this hasn't been everyone's experience though.

I think our class's problem is that we're so worried that the evil admin will crack down on us for anything that we're scared to post anything other than youtube videos on the board. 🙂 I guess that's not really giving anyone a chance to fix things, and I've got to admit that I've not seen a lot of proof that our admin is evil. My hunch is that we're a little more paranoid than we need to be, which I'm guessing is probably a national trend (you know, professionalism scorecards and all that business). I do know that after we were griping about not being able to find our pbl times online, we got them all emailed to us, so hey, that's progress. 🙂
 
It was up in the air up until school started, and it's still unclear how our PE will impact our PCM evaluation.

According to the pcm syllabus, it won't have any impact on our grade. Since they're not really teaching us the skills for it aside from having one optional two hour session, my guess is that it's really just to give us criticism to work with instead of to ding us for not knowing anything. Supposedly last year they recorded incoming students taking a medical history just to get a baseline idea of where they're at -- I'm guessing this is the same thing for us.
 
According to the pcm syllabus, it won't have any impact on our grade. Since they're not really teaching us the skills for it aside from having one optional two hour session, my guess is that it's really just to give us criticism to work with instead of to ding us for not knowing anything. Supposedly last year they recorded incoming students taking a medical history just to get a baseline idea of where they're at -- I'm guessing this is the same thing for us.

I think they did that for the Class of 2008. I know we didn't have to. 😉
 
Never mind -- the videotaping is worth 10% of our grade. I'm sort of confused as to what the purpose of it is, though, and what exactly we have to do. I feel like we don't get a lot of clear information in PCM about the course, which I guess is problem with the whole small group leader thing.
 
"Empire" is on HBO right now. 👍 "Size matters not. Look at me. Judge me by my size, do you?" "Control, control, you must learn control!" My ambition in life is to speak entirely in Yodisms. I think that a wookie must have less fine motor control relative to a primate.

SL seemed like a dirty city, or maybe just a different kind of dirty than I am used to. I don't think that I would want to live there, although we did have a lot of fun. Do they have good residencies there or just a good ballteam?

It has that rep--the dirty alternative to Chicago, like how some view LA as the anti-SF or SD. I doubt that I'd want to make a home there (MO is too conservative for me), but the baseball makes it as good an excuse as any. I have very few pleasures in life--Subway sandwiches, Mountain Dew products, movies, loud music, exercise, warm hugs from lovely ladies, watching the Cardinals in person. I can't tolerate traveling distances even for vacation, so it's been some time since I've been.

Residencies? Well since I can't seem to get my **** together and realize that I need to study like my classmates or at least listen to the lectures or read the notegroups, my prospects for step 1 are not looking great right now. I'm probably going to have to settle for clinical path. It should be an easy match given my previous career and the fact that it's not very competative. Plus the quality of training isn't very important. Wash's path residents are mostly mudphuds, so that leaves me with SLU.

But it seems like from other posts, you might have liked the systems-based better, or am I reading you wrong?

Hindsight is 20/20. 😀 There were red flags in my home state that were worrisome (like being a first-year guinea pig for a brand new PBL-ridden curriculum), but the positives here were that I could keep my job and a handful of useful contacts. I knew that anatomy would be both low yield for step 1 and boring as hell, so I wanted to take it with biochem which was a strength for me and get it out of the way quickly. I was also already familiar with Hippocrates because I used all of the M2 micro material to study for my certification exam at work.

The reason that I seem to prefer systems-based is because I like the layout of First Aid. It's really a tough call since finding someone who has done both is a tall order.

I am a big believer that a good student will learn the same amount regardless of the school that they go to. I applied very, very narrowly this cycle due to my aforemention MCAT timing. I probably could have waited and applied to more "prestigious" schools for 2008 admission (not that I would have been accepted or anything), but in the end, I think that I will be the same doctor whether I go to OU or Baylor.

True. True. To me, I loved Baylor because of the curriculum and tuition, especially after our dean gave them such an endorsement at our interview day. I don't really think that their students have any sort of inherent advantage, but I liked the pricetag.

In the past season, I only applied to 4, and 2 were just used to gauge my odds outside the region in case I wanted to try again for 2011.

Never mind -- the videotaping is worth 10% of our grade. I'm sort of confused as to what the purpose of it is, though, and what exactly we have to do. I feel like we don't get a lot of clear information in PCM about the course, which I guess is problem with the whole small group leader thing.

Is it the interview taping (early March) or is the PE (late April) being taped too?
 
Is it the interview taping (early March) or is the PE (late April) being taped too?

Don't know. The syllabus says "interview taping" is worth 10% of our grade. If the PE is not going to be taped, I guess we're good. Otherwise, I don't know. The only thing on the schedule that I see that actually mentions taping is the early March thing.

It really does seem wrong to grade us on the physical exam since we haven't been expected to work on it in our rotations or even in pcm class. Sure, we spent one afternoon session where we took blood pressures and used a fundiscope, but that was a long time ago.
 
I think they did that for the Class of 2008. I know we didn't have to. 😉

Yeah my SGL said that they used to do it on the first day of school or at least the first week. Kind of an unnecessary jolt IMO.

Really I don't think that they should have accepted us if they didn't think that we could talk to people. It's not like I actually interview people in clinic the same way I interview an actor in front of my module mates. Primary emotion? Who cares if it's congruent? Like you can't tell when you've got a pissed off person in front of you?

It really does seem wrong to grade us on the physical exam since we haven't been expected to work on it in our rotations or even in pcm class. Sure, we spent one afternoon session where we took blood pressures and used a fundiscope, but that was a long time ago.

Indeed the last time I talked to my SGL, he said that they still hadn't decided what they were going to do about it. Of course that was three months ago. I tried to drum up some talk of it on the DB, but nobody said anything.

I think that they just want us to do the stuff rather than recognize abnormals. I didn't opt for the workshop. The patients in clinic were usually down with me looking in their ears and stuff. My preceptor was good too--saw a lot of bad ears, palpated some nodes, looked at CXR's, etc. I definitely recommend doing primary care rotations for PCM-1.
 
I just read the DB. Didn't you know that it's blasphemy to recommend Goljan in Sooner country? :laugh:

Glad to see that exam blocks bring activity to this thread.

:luck:

People keep saying I should listen to his stuff, but I haven't gotten a copy yet.

The maid of honor at my wedding went to OSU and is now an ER intern at Ft. Hood. 😉


Edit: Wow... you can find anything on bit torrent.
 
So is Thursday's EBM the only required class this week? (other than PCM)
 
Man, you guys should have seen me in the IHI exam - my brain actually started leaking out through my nose and ears. I think.
 
rhinorrhea... that's a symptom of... something. 😉


Have you seen a key yet? I didn't want to stick around.

You've probably seen it by now, but someone just posted it to Hippocrates - the damage wasn't as bad as it could have been here 👍
 
Absolutely and unequivocably yes. And thank you 😎

I really like how eloquently you conveyed that. Unfortunately for them, it won't be too long before they truly understand what that means... fortunately for us, we've only got two more test blocks!!! WOO-HOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😀

Edit: Note the implication that test block is already over. For all intents and purposes, it is 🙂 IHI comprised 2-3 times the number of lecture hours as Pharm & HB, in 2-3 times as much detail per lecture. But, as I said, someday you'll understand 😉
 
You may have already heard this, but my name has been included on a list of persons of interest regarding IDgate, the supposed conspiracy to distribute our class rank by name following the fall semester. I have to say that I have been scratching my head about this all day since I can't think of why somebody would think it was me. From what I've heard, it seems like our administration is upset about what happened despite the fact that they created the situation.

About two weeks ago, many students sent me a bunch of study aids. I admit that I didn't look at most of them because they were far too numerous given how behind I had gotten. I just re-sent them out to others who I thought could use them. That included most or all of the people I know here on SDN. I wiped the folder after test block, but I was wondering if there was something in there that I didn't know about. So please tell me (PM or email) if the offending file was included in something that I forwarded on. Of course this was long after our ID's got switched, so I'm just kind of reaching for any clues that might explain things.

Thanks.

Oh, I got that email, too, and have an official meeting on Wednesday. 😱 Do you think sdn is the common link? I didn't open all the documents you sent me, but I don't think it was on there -- I'll look. As for me, I received a copy of the list solely based on id numbers and forwarded it to one person.
I've never seen this alleged name containing sheet and am honestly wondering if it's some urban legend that doesn't exist.

The more I think about it, the thing that irritates me is that the biochem department should have notified somebody about their goof so we could have gotten new id numbers before all the final grades were released.

Anyway, I guess it'll be interesting.
 
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