University of Oklahoma, Classes of 2008-2011

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AG is even a cooler cat in person. Plus he's damn smart.

I wouldn't expect to hear anything from the school for a while. They will notify you toward the end of the spring semester if you got a small scholarship, but other than that, you'll get a letter in June telling you to get your shots and another packet shortly before orientation to tell you what module you are in.

Feel free to annoy financial aid as much as you want. They will answer your emails, but they aren't proactive in the least. Furthermore, I don't think that tuition has been set yet, so they can't budget.

Jwax--the first paragraph is standard. Pell Grants aren't available to anybody beyond a Bachelor's.

Don't worry about the bottom paragraph either unless your federal debt is approaching $189,125. They will let you take Staffords up to that level. Double check your form to make sure that they don't think that you're still an undergrad working on another Bachelor's.

Also keep in mind that they may not know that you are admitted yet. The message is very slow to get transmitted.

I am anxiously awaiting any word from OU Med on our future financial obligations.. I really wish they'd send out something because I have no idea what I need to be doing right now besides filing FAFSA.

No need to do anything. Once you're in and paid the deposit, you're done until August. All you need now is your shots and CPR Certification.

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Am I the only one who doesn't care about the cost of med school? I guess I just don't really know what other option I have other than massive debt.
 
Jwax--the first paragraph is standard. Pell Grants aren't available to anybody beyond a Bachelor's.

Don't worry about the bottom paragraph either unless your federal debt is approaching $189,125. They will let you take Staffords up to that level. Double check your form to make sure that they don't think that you're still an undergrad working on another Bachelor's.

Also keep in mind that they may not know that you are admitted yet. The message is very slow to get transmitted.

Thanks, Wiz. Nope, definitely hanging out around 20K of debt currently, the $189K is a few years in the future for me. I feel a little better now.
 
Am I the only one who doesn't care about the cost of med school? I guess I just don't really know what other option I have other than massive debt.

I don't particularly care about the cost of medical school, I just hate debt that has no collateral attached to it (like my brain vs a house).

Here are the options:

Option 1: Massive debt
Option 2: Marry a sugar momma like mine
Option 3: Auction off any unvital organs and/or sell plasma and sperm :laugh:

Wizard of Oz said:
I'm really that super buff guy with the gorgeous eyes
Option 4: With your beatiful eyes and buff bod maybe you could do some modelling :meanie:

I'm sure there are others, but debt is definitely the easiest.
 
lol, even with the sugar momma, I want the max in loans--all of it; 100K, 200K, 300K, bring it on! This is the only chance I have left to get this kind of unsecured credit that doesn't go into repayment for ten years. I keep my leftovers in a nice little egg that I stroke like the emperor in Return of the Jedi when he was sitting on his throne holding Luke's lightsaber. "You want this, don't you? The hate is swelling in you now. Take your Jedi weapon. Use it. I am unarmed. Strike me down with it. Give in to your anger. With each passing moment, you make yourself more my servant." Okay this is a bit extreme as far as analogies go, but I'm digging this loan stuff. I'm finally experiencing the kind of phony financial security heretofore absent from my adult life thus far. :laugh:

It's probably more healthy that some students don't want the debt or think that it is too much or even decide next year to take less since they didn't use all of their money this year, but I want it all--every red cent. Even though I think that the tuition is high, it's quite far from what people pay to private schools. It's possible that given the decline in physician salaries (Law2Doc says 7 percent per decade) that my investment is not the best idea, but I don't have any true materialistic desire left in me. Any risk is better than my old job.

:luck:
 
All you have to do is look in the parking lot to see you aren't the only one who doesn't care about the cost o' medical school. Somebody's daddy does, but they don't.

I have a hard time understanding why the debt is such a big deal. Maybe I'm misguided about the salary😛ayment ratio, or how much I'll be making. But if I come out of school, defer my repayment to post-res, make 125K, lose 28% to uncle sam, and make 3K payments to T.H.E., that still leaves 54K in income, for the few years it'll take me to repay. I know there'd be some other expenses, insurance, etc that'd eat into that, but if you can't live on that, you prolly need to make better choices IMHO.
 
Don't I need to meet with the financial aid office to discuss where I'm taking my loans out from and coordinate it with them?

I was fortunate enough to have my parents put away money and buy bonds when I was younger to pay for my undergrad, but I am cut loose after I get my bachelors. I am not worried about accruing the debt - I just don't know how this educational loan stuff works. I'm good with numbers, sure, but I am no business finance major. =|
 
Don't I need to meet with the financial aid office to discuss where I'm taking my loans out from and coordinate it with them?

Nope. Just submit your FAFSA and they'll do the rest. In late spring, they'll send you an award letter. You either accept or deny the loans they're offering (yeah, it's mostly loans 🙂 ), and mail it back. You also designate a lender on the award letter. That's it. The process is very uniform and requires pretty much no personal interaction.
 
Once you get a login and password (unfortunately, not until orientation) you don't even need to go to a mailbox. All of the accepting/declining of financial aid can now be managed through a website.


I guess we're somehow prepared for one of those Category 4 or 5 influenza epidemics. 😛
 
So first you guys try & soothe me & my worries on how hard classes are. Then you follow that with all the weight I'm going to gain? 🙄 Thanks. 🙂 I actually already worked out the whole not excerising thing.. I haven't done that since I swam in high school! So... eating right (and not so much food) is my key to staying slim. Hopefully I can keep it up.

I'll share something I wrote on another thread...

The admissions process can be like a graded membrane potential--many ups and downs until you finally reach the threshold.

Just wait until you get to school--then you'll know what an action potential feels like--huge depolarization to get all of this crap into your brain only to rapidly spill it back out on an exam. Refractory. Wait for the next impulse while you kick in your Na/K ATPase to catch up on all of that crap you were holding off on.

My point is that while it is a lot of material, the course is cyclical and predictable. Don't stress now! To re-iterate a previous sentiment, everything we're tested on is covered in our course materials so don't sweat it. I think that what makes it exhausting is that students arrive thinking that they're going to learn how to be clinicians only to find out that the first two years are just a steady diet of basic sciences and pathophysiology.

As for the weight gain, employ my strategy and only study while on the elliptical. 👍

Bagel is right about the loans. Just pick a lender and record their code on the sheet. Banks 😍 student loans 'cause you can't bankrupt out of them, so just find the one you want and record it. You don't even have to talk to the bank first (I sure didn't).

I guess we're somehow prepared for one of those Category 4 or 5 influenza epidemics. 😛

Hopefully my shot took. 😕

If the financial aid stuff is available online now, then it's even easier than I described. 😀
 
Hey guys,
Stopping by to see the new year's posts. You guys are busy 🙂
Anyways, if you have any ?'s about life after the first two years, post away.
Later
 
Hey guys,
Stopping by to see the new year's posts. You guys are busy 🙂
Anyways, if you have any ?'s about life after the first two years, post away.
Later

Heya 08...haven't seen you in a long time.
Welcome back 👍
 
Glad you stopped by! :clap:

Anybody else catch the Mr. Burns slam against the Tulsa campus today? Tell us how you really feel, buddy...

BTW, Dr. Prodan got his medical degree in Romania--not sure if he was born there or not, but that's where he went to med school. (We were debating this on our row in the back of the lecture hall.) I think that he did his residency here.

We were trying to figure out where he was from. His accent is so neat. 🙂

Yeah, I heard the Burns thing. So what's up with that anyway?

So oudoc, is the 3rd year as bad as it's made out to be on sdn?
 
The way I took it, especially since it was aimed at me, was if you want to practice skills, go to Tulsa; if you want to sheepishly stand in a huddle with 6 other MS's in the corner while 3 residents fight over who gets to perform the LP, stay here. But I may be wrong. And we only picked C so we could say practice 😀

I'm going to woefully show my ignorance here; we have to do a renewal FAFSA right? I've only filled out one FAFSA before 06-07, and all I was eligible for was loans, apparently on account of income, so I never learned the process.

And now for something completely different: For the older residents of Mactopia, this prolly isn't news to you, but being part of the sprawl as I am, I thought it was neat. I use OS X's color label system for classifying lectures I haven't listened to yet. R-click a file and the menu that pops up has choices for color coding. Then you can search in Finder or Spotlight for all the red files, so you know how many Histo lectures behind you are...
 
The way I took it, especially since it was aimed at me, was if you want to practice skills, go to Tulsa; if you want to sheepishly stand in a huddle with 6 other MS's in the corner while 3 residents fight over who gets to perform the LP, stay here. But I may be wrong. And we only picked C so we could say practice 😀

I'm going to woefully show my ignorance here; we have to do a renewal FAFSA right? I've only filled out one FAFSA before 06-07, and all I was eligible for was loans, apparently on account of income, so I never learned the process.

Yep. Basically, all the easy stuff is completed already like your name and ssn, and you still have to complete everything else. Speaking of which, I still don't have my W2.

About the Tulsa thing, who knows? I probably wouldn't have read anything into it if I hadn't previously heard that there was some hostility between the two campuses.
 
Glad you stopped by! :clap:

Anybody else catch the Mr. Burns slam against the Tulsa campus today? Tell us how you really feel, buddy...

BTW, Dr. Prodan got his medical degree in Romania--not sure if he was born there or not, but that's where he went to med school. (We were debating this on our row in the back of the lecture hall.) I think that he did his residency here.
So THAT's who mr burns is... all this time I never caught on.
<----bottom 1/4

I heard him say that about T-town but already forgot what it was.

btw...Prodan is from Bixby. Everyone in bixby talks like that.
 
Johnny, top 3/4 sounds better 👍

Maybe I could get the biochem dept to email everyone so I can see if I'm still in the top 98%...

Hope there wasn't anything ground-breaking in the first Blood Supply Blair lecture 🙄 ...it's like being a kicker for a football team; you have ONE job. Show up, push record....hell, if Johnny can do it 😀
 
BEARS win!!! 27-21 😎
 
I hope Urlacher puts Peyton into early retirement, and the Bears roll...

Which doesn't jive with me wanting Tony Dungy to win, on account of his recent trials and tribulations. But I guess out of the white guilt I'm supposed to have, I'd really like to see Lovie win; being darker, he probably felt more stigma as a black coach. But I don't know, I haven't been watching much ESPN to purposely avoid hearing story after story about their struggles against all odds 🙄

The good news is, now that they have each cast aside the chains that bound them and kept them from being coaches, it'll never be an issue again...

More importantly than the NFL, OSU ticket prices have gone up AGAIN, despite fewer people coming to Boone's House of Eminent Domain...we're going to have the bestest empty stadium EVER!!
 
Thanks for the info! You guys rock.😎

Grossman doesn't deserve to win the super bowl. 👎 Go colts!
 
So am I on the only one here who's not planning on watching the Super Bowl? I didn't even know until last week who was playing. 🙂

McHale seems nice. I also think he's a really good lecturer, and I liked his syllabus. I'm not such a fan of Dormer's syllabus. It seems like he could state things a little more simply than he does. I'm not surprised that his questions about supposed to be the hardest questions in all of phys.

I'm about 100% sure I'm going to Tulsa. I'm actually jealous of the people from 2009 who have already signed up for the Tulsa option. Tulsa has peds, IM, psych, surgery and soon an EM residency, which is enough for me. We can also easily come back to OKC for anything else, so I don't see where it's a noticeable disadvantage to be there.
 
Thanks for the info! You guys rock.😎

Grossman doesn't deserve to win the super bowl. 👎 Go colts!

I won't dispute this AT ALL. However, defense wins championships. Ask Trent Dilfer, who should call Ray Lewis everyday and thank him for his ring.

Rex'll have to suck up to The Monsters for the rest of his career...

Lawbagel, I have to cuz my wife said so. That doesn't happen often.

I've heard more than one person say the difference between the two campi comes down to what you want from your career. I have heard it can be tough to get a fellowship from Tulsa. But I wouldn't (n=1) let that sway me. It can't handicap you too bad, cuz I know a guy at UMich doing plastics, and he went there. But he did say he wouldn't again. I didn't pry cuz I'm not planning on going. Or wasn't until yesterday 😎

And I'm still trying to work this out from the McHale & Dormer Show: two weeks ago contractility didn't have **** to do with EDV. Now, not only does it, you're trying to tell me it decreases it? I mean, I can memorize that, but I couldn't reason why.
 
http://www.rathergood.com/moon_song

Go here. It's funny (to me)...

Question: Does Tulsa's hospital have a level 1 Trauma Center?

I really, really much prefer the idea of staying in OKC (since I grew up in Edmond, moved to Norman for a few years, and currently live in OKC). I haven't really been elsewhere and Tulsa has never held much of an interest for me. Yet, the idea of fighting w/6 other MS3's & 3 PGY's to try & get to do anything sounds crappy. I want to get to DO something when I'm MS3/4.
Not sit around and watch people. I can do that already as a pre-med (it's called shadowing...). Anyways, so for those of you that are staying (or is oudoc here or tulsa?) is it really as bad as they say about lack of activity?

I doubt it would actually make me want to go to Tulsa anyways, but still nice to know exactly what I'm getting myself into (and yes, I do realize this is 2.5 years from now). I like to plan ahead.
 
I'll put these on here for those the 2011er's or folks who didn't see them on our Discussion Board (and to serve as breadcrumbs in case I want to reference them later on SDN).

Here is a funny radio excerpt about a guy who gets busted cheating on his wife: Buddha Call (It's about ten minutes long but worth every minute).

From the Real Medical Students of Genius series (quick but still effective humor)...

Mr. Really Bad With Children Guy

Mr. Will This Be On The Exam Asker

Mr. Always Late to Small Group Guy

Mr. Always Prepared for Everything Guy

Mr. Walk Behind the Lecturer Guy

Mr. Falls Asleep During Everything Guy

Mr. Accidental Scrub Out Guy

These are GREAT!!!!!!!!!!! I think the Mr. Always Prepared for everything guy is my fave! Or maybe the accidental scrub out....
 
I'm not being cantankerous, but is that something that you would weigh as a deciding factor? What's the difference between a Level 1 and Level 2?

So Freeze, are you saying that your wife is making you move to T-Town?

Methinks 08 is in OKC. BTW, 08, did you delete your myspace profile? I think that Freeze has a point, but I'll sound off because I have had this convo before.

OU is the only "level 1" facility in Oklahoma as far as accreditation by the American College of Surgeons is concerned. St. Francis is level 2 by the ACS, but Oklahoma used to have its own state classification to assign regional preference for bad traumas, and St. Francis was considered a level 1 by the state's standards.

As far as OU Medical Center is concerned, it amounts to a nice billboard ad, but what it really means is that they have a neurosurgeon on call 24/7 and can guarantee a faster OR turnaround time around the clock for necessary surgical specialties. In other words, they're not going to have M3/4's doing any advanced trauma procedures at OUMC that they're not going to have access to in Tulsa. If I'm a patient in a bad car crash, OUMC please. Routine medical or surgical intervention? Mercy or Baptist (though I'd probably take St. John in T-Town over either).

I'm still not that sure what the hospital agreement is like in Tulsa, however, the folks who came spoke of the Hillcrest system but I didn't hear much about the pink palace even though I'm pretty sure that the nursing college uses it exclusively. Ya know who can REALLY comment on this? One hint--his avatar is his canine pal.

Funny thing about the DB, lawbagel (I like that, Freeze :meanie:), we could put up a post like the 09er's just to ask who might be interested in it, and we'd get about three responses. One person who actually answers the question, one person to make a silly joke (okay, that's often me), and another to say that there is a relevant skit on youtube. Then somebody would probably ask you if you'd be willing to buy football tickets for them since you'll be in Tulsa and unable to use the one's you're eligible to buy. :laugh:

This thread will die a slow death after August 12-13ish... When you get access to Hippocrates and the discussion boards we use regularly.

I definitely agree... even though you won't need it to talk to each other anymore, don't forget next year's applicants!!! They'll be just as nervous and excited as you have been the past year, and they'll want to know all about your first year.

Guys we need to pick this up. MCW is catching up. Who cares if we have our own discussion board 😉

Beware of the lurkers. Yeah you know who you are. The Wizard senses your presence, otherwise he'd be stripped of his paranoids anonymous card.

Can you tell that I'm bored? 🙄 Maybe I should study. 👎
 
I'm not being cantankerous, but is that something that you would weigh as a deciding factor? What's the difference between a Level 1 and Level 2?

Difference is I've only got to shadow at Level 2's (SW integris & mercy). I want the most traumatic patients around. Although I imagine the point that you might be making is that Tulsa gets all the trauma OU gets b/c they aren't going to waste the time to mediflight from Tulsa area to OKC for a "Level 1" trauma emergency... yes?

Anyways... point is, I want the worst of the worst, and it seems like OKC is the more likely place, particularly since it's deemed Level 1, while Tulsa is not.

If this is my ignorance speaking, then please forgive me.... I don't mean to be ignorant. It just happens sometimes.
 
So Freeze, are you saying that your wife is making you move to T-Town?

No, watch the SuperBowl 👍 👍

I'm too scared to go to Tulsa; might get murdered or something. Too likely to NEED a trauma center than learn in one...What's in the water up there!?!?
 
*lurk*

Then there are the real lurkers, the one's who never post... just watching and waiting...
 
Difference is I've only got to shadow at Level 2's (SW integris & mercy). I want the most traumatic patients around. Although I imagine the point that you might be making is that Tulsa gets all the trauma OU gets b/c they aren't going to waste the time to mediflight from Tulsa area to OKC for a "Level 1" trauma emergency... yes?

Anyways... point is, I want the worst of the worst, and it seems like OKC is the more likely place, particularly since it's deemed Level 1, while Tulsa is not.

If this is my ignorance speaking, then please forgive me.... I don't mean to be ignorant. It just happens sometimes.

I'll digest the rest in a second, but my first thought is that shadowing at a 2 across the street from a 1 will be a whole lot different than shadowing at a 2 in a city full of 3s, 4s, and massage therapists...

If you boil off all the fluff, what makes a Level 2 a 1? Research, teaching, and an on-duty neurosurg. That's it. If I wreck my motorcycle on my way to Sparks Oklahoma, why would I care if OU is doing electrophys studies on the cardioconduction of infarcted rodents? Which means if I'm out on the ground somewhere, trying to figure out which hospital to take Mr. I Fell Out of a Tree onto My Crossbow* to, the only numbers that matter are the miles to OU or St. Francis.

*Please note the fact it is illegal to hunt with a crossbow unless you're handicapped, which makes me wonder how you'd get in a tree stand, but I digress...

Not being ignorant, Wax. It's just prolly a wash. Although there are studies saying you have a better shot of living if taken to a Level 1 "after correcting for various factors", which means we threw out all the ones that would have died even if they received their injuries in the parking lot. I dunno. Maybe, maybe not.
 
*lurk*

Then there are the real lurkers, the one's who never post... just watching and waiting...

I'm curious about who our lurkers are. 😕

Yeah, we're all scared to use hippocrates to discuss anything because big brother's watching. Somehow I doubt big brother really is watching or caring, but we're paranoid med students. It's too bad.

So I'm getting a little worried about histology.
 
*lurk*

Then there are the real lurkers, the one's who never post... just watching and waiting...

They're not watching, they're looking back through old posts thinking they can find out how the person who sits next to them in the mod ranked last semester...bastages
 
I haven't even looked at histology to be worried about it. I'm still trying to catch up neuro.
 
Okay, I just saw this week's schedule. Train wreck! Is all of this EBM garbage mandatory? And why the !?@$% are they starting the class in the week before our first !?@$% test block? 😡

I guess it's back to the blood pressure meds... No more 900 mmHg for me. Damn cheap pills. 🙁
 
So am I on the only one here who's not planning on watching the Super Bowl? I didn't even know until last week who was playing. 🙂

No, I have never watched the Super Bowl. The only reason I even know that it's coming up are the Wal-mart commercials for Super Bowl snacks. I just can't get into sports, which can be tough at a school like OU where everyone wants to talk football.

I really like the way the exam schedule is layed out. I plan on cramming a lot of Histo in all night Monday. Sleep Tuesday night b/c HB should be no problem. Then I have Wednesday and Thursday to cram neuro! Last semester I had to pull a couple of all-nighters back to back...that was brutal.
 
I haven't TOUCHED histo or HB...I'm not gonna sweat HB tho, it's like training to fight Tyson but you've also gotta fight Woody Allen the same week.

Been trying to get a grip on all this physio, but I have to get on neuro soon or it's gonna bend me straight over come next friday. BAM BAM!!! Which neural pathway is THAT pain traveling b*tch!!???!! 😱
 
Okay, I just saw this week's schedule. Train wreck! Is all of this EBM garbage mandatory? And why the !?@$% are they starting the class in the week before our first !?@$% test block? 😡

The GUIDE says EBM attendance is mandatory and we take quizzes like in IMPS.

That really blows cuz I was gonna study at home all week now I have to go in 3 days cuz of the EBM and the PBL junk. 👎 😡
 
They're not watching, they're looking back through old posts thinking they can find out how the person who sits next to them in the mod ranked last semester...bastages

That's just really creepy imo.👎
 
I haven't TOUCHED histo or HB...I'm not gonna sweat HB tho, it's like training to fight Tyson but you've also gotta fight Woody Allen the same week.

Been trying to get a grip on all this physio, but I have to get on neuro soon or it's gonna bend me straight over come next friday. BAM BAM!!! Which neural pathway is THAT pain traveling b*tch!!???!! 😱

Now that is some noxious stimuli, all up in your pectinate line...
 
Now that is some noxious stimuli, all up in your pectinate line...

lol

btw...for anyone who hasn't seen them yet...I just started watching some of those neuro dissection vids on hippo and they are looking awesome so far. I don't know who the dude is talking but he's doing a good job so far.

I know Freeze has already memorized all that neuroanatomy, but for the rest of us lowly med slaves...👍
 
I haven't TOUCHED histo or HB...I'm not gonna sweat HB tho, it's like training to fight Tyson but you've also gotta fight Woody Allen the same week.

:laugh: Trudat. With the relative time that we spend preparing for HB, PCM, and probably EBM and ethics, it's a wonder that they don't make them intersession classes. Hell I'd be fine if they put 'em all in the summertime and let us concentrate on the tougher stuff during the year, i.e. let us have M-W-F test blocks. Then they'd let us borrow money for the summer semester too, and it's not like it still wouldn't be a pretty significant break from the regular schoolyear. Have you guys checked out our second block this semester? Exams all five days with Neuro on Monday. HB and EBM are Tuesday and Thursday. We've got our taping in the middle of the next block too. At least our comprehensive finals are Monday and Friday as I look down the road.

Not a big fan of required classes. 👎 It just doesn't work out for me to have this traditional curriculum which lends itself very well to self-study only to have your routine mucked up by required fluff.
 
The GUIDE says EBM attendance is mandatory and we take quizzes like in IMPS.

That really blows cuz I was gonna study at home all week now I have to go in 3 days cuz of the EBM and the PBL junk. 👎 😡

Yes, this has been my recent rant. Did you also notice that the first EBM is at 8 am?!! It's an intro, so it's probably a waste of time. Yet it's required and at 8 in the morning. 👎

So, yay, not the only non-super bowl watcher in our class.
 
Yes, this has been my recent rant. Did you also notice that the first EBM is at 8 am?!! It's an intro, so it's probably a waste of time. Yet it's required and at 8 in the morning. 👎

So, yay, not the only non-super bowl watcher in our class.

I would watch if it got me out of studying :laugh:

I'm not a big sports guy...I watch a game once every few months but never care who wins.

8am...oh joy...do they know how horrible the traffic is at that time 😡 It takes 20 min to finish that last mile. lol
 
Yeah, it's getting to be a bit of a drag. I'm hoping 2nd year is better.

Me too. I'm having a hard time getting going this semester. Just think... The summer is only a bit more than three months away. 😀 I hope that I find something to do during the break.

I think that I'm going to have to cut back on my SDN habits. I've been trolling other threads the last few days, and I'm afraid that I keep saying the same thing over and over again to different people.

If I seem to respond more slowly in the near future; take it as a sign that I'm actually studying like I'm supposed to be doing. Perhaps sadly, I think that I see my myspace page being pulled quite soon...
 
Has anyone seen my will to study?

I hope it gets here before test block.

Damnit...

Colts just intercepted & scored to get it to 28 - 17 as I was clicking the "quote" buttom. Blah... my fiance & I both decided (separately) to cheer for the Bears. Me b/c my folks met in Chicago & I lived there from ages 1 mo - 26 months old. Him b/c when he plays Madden, the Colts always beat his team.

Anyways, I just wanted to comment that my will to study must be where Amxcvbcv's is.... the void. Anatomy lecture exam tomorrow AM & I pretty much didn't do much studying for it... I'm just hoping my over-studying for the lab exam will balance it out.

Oh and I need to read like 3 chapters for micro this weekend... I guess I'll just need to read 5 by next weekend instead! 😱 Ah well.
 
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