University of Oklahoma, Classes of 2008-2011

[Doctor Bagel]

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That's not what O'Don does!?!?

No way. 😀

 

[Antigunner]

By the way, for those of you that interviewed yesterday, I was one of the random people that was eating your lunch with you. I was the tall guy with a goatee wearing a red sweater. The end.

 

[Doctor Bagel]

<-----waiting for the Biochem dept. to leak info about Anna Nicole's tox screen...

One thing you've got to love about Blair is that he's actually efficient.

Poor Dr. W -- it sounds like he's having the week from hell. Six kids! 😱

 

[Wizard of Oz]

By the way, for those of you that interviewed yesterday, I was one of the random people that was eating your lunch with you. I was the tall guy with a goatee wearing a red sweater. The end.

You ate their lunch with them? That seems like an awkward situation.

The last time that I interviewed at OU, they made a nice catered lunch served on the union third floor (Boren lounge or something?).

One thing you've got to love about Blair is that he's actually efficient.

👍 It's pretty clear that Blair stays on top of things. He was already about 2 weeks ahead of Leon regarding question appeals.

Have any of you guys printed the color pages of the syllabus? I started to do this but realized that it would take me forever.

 

[glp]

The histo cd apparently requires windows. 👎 I'm going to try out bootcamp and see how that goes.

im currently installing windows using parallels. hoefully everything will go smoothly and i can run histo times.

 

[Antigunner]

You ate their lunch with them? That seems like an awkward situation.

I say it that way because in all honesty I didn't really have any reason for being there (other than a free lunch) - so it really was their lunch, I was just stealing some of it 😀

 

[Wizard of Oz]

im currently installing windows using parallels. hoefully everything will go smoothly and i can run histo times.

Give in to the darkside. Become a Wintel user. Search your feelings, you know your destiny.

I say it that way because in all honesty I didn't really have any reason for being there (other than a free lunch) - so it really was their lunch, I was just stealing some of it 😀

Awesome. I'll have to get in on some of those next year.

 

[glp]

for the record, histology is really boring. so is neuro. actually most of the classes i have taken thus far are really boring. mind numbing. my personality is slowly being replaced by extraneous details. i should have gone to art school. too bad im not artistic.

 

[Doctor Bagel]

for the record, histology is really boring. so is neuro. actually most of the classes i have taken thus far are really boring. mind numbing. my personality is slowly being replaced by extraneous details. i should have gone to art school. too bad im not artistic.

Very, very boring. Neuro, too. I actually thought neuro would be interesting, but nope. Physio, eh. I'm not currently intellectually excited. 🙁

Bleh, I have to go to St. Anthony's tonight. Anybody else going to be there?

 

[glp]

seriously. histology? i mean are we really supposed to be able to tell the difference bt all that crap. am i the only one who thinks all the cells look alike? is there some trick i dont know about?

 

[Doctor Bagel]

seriously. histology? i mean are we really supposed to be able to tell the difference bt all that crap. am i the only one who thinks all the cells look alike? is there some trick i dont know about?

Yeah, they pretty much all look the same to me, too. I suck at all visual identification stuff.

 

[Wizard of Oz]

Yeah, they pretty much all look the same to me, too. I suck at all visual identification stuff.

Are you back from your rotation already?

 

[Doctor Bagel]

Are you back from your rotation already?

They took pity on us since test block was next week and just had us interview a patient and leave. I got home around 8:30. 🙂

So does anybody have any experience with a car with keyless entry and a dead battery? The car has locked us out because the battery is dead -- I'm trying to figure out how we can get it fixed if we can't even get into the car. 😕 It's our second car that we got for free and hardly ever use it, so it's not critical right now.

 

[want2beadoc]

What's the year and model? There are some tricks, but it depends on that. Otherwise you might need to call someone to pop the lock.

 

[Amxcvbcv]

They took pity on us since test block was next week and just had us interview a patient and leave. I got home around 8:30. 🙂

So does anybody have any experience with a car with keyless entry and a dead battery? The car has locked us out because the battery is dead -- I'm trying to figure out how we can get it fixed if we can't even get into the car. 😕 It's our second car that we got for free and hardly ever use it, so it's not critical right now.

If it doesn't have a regular key as well, I guess you'll just have to call a locksmith. 😛

The good news is if the battery's dead the alarm won't go off when you try to break in. 😉

 

[Doctor Bagel]

If it doesn't have a regular key as well, I guess you'll just have to call a locksmith. 😛

The good news is if the battery's dead the alarm won't go off when you try to break in. 😉

The regular key won't unlock the door either. I guess it's some security feature, but I'm not getting why it's a good thing right now. 🙂

wtb, it's a 1998 taurus. Any tricks?

 

[JohnnyOU]

The regular key won't unlock the door either. I guess it's some security feature, but I'm not getting why it's a good thing right now. 🙂

wtb, it's a 1998 taurus. Any tricks?

Dang...i have a 99 taurus and it doesn't have keyless 😡
You rich folks and your perks!

All this physio is driving me loco. I keep forgetting half the stuff 10 minutes after I read it 🙁 Mee sew stoopid!!!!

 

[soonereng]

The regular key won't unlock the door either. I guess it's some security feature, but I'm not getting why it's a good thing right now. 🙂

wtb, it's a 1998 taurus. Any tricks?

Taurus = Ford = Found On Roadside Dead

So the regular key won't turn the lock? Are you sure it's the same key for both door and ignition? I know on some of the cars I have had there is a "valet" key that will only open the doors and start the car, but won't open the glove box or trunk. Maybe there is something similar with yours. Perhaps someone put a different lock on the door in the past and that's why the key won't work also. I would try all the keys that I have for the car before calling a locksmith.

 

[Doctor Bagel]

Taurus = Ford = Found On Roadside Dead

So the regular key won't turn the lock? Are you sure it's the same key for both door and ignition? I know on some of the cars I have had there is a "valet" key that will only open the doors and start the car, but won't open the glove box or trunk. Maybe there is something similar with yours. Perhaps someone put a different lock on the door in the past and that's why the key won't work also. I would try all the keys that I have for the car before calling a locksmith.

Yeah, they don't have the best reliability rankings, do they? I had an escort for ten years, though, and it was great. At the end, I spent maybe $1k every 4 years on it. Whoever bought it after me lucked into a really cheap yet really reliable car. I've not heard good things about reliability on the taurus model.

Good point on the keys. We tried both the keys that we have, which are the ignition keys. I guess I just assumed they would work for both. I guess I'll have to call my parents and see if they have any memory of getting another key.

Johnny, it's an SE model, so yeah pretty fancy. 🙂 We got it because my parents would get pretty much no money on it in a trade-in. Even cooler -- it's a station wagon.

Speaking of which, I'm my parents youngest kid, and they bought their first station wagon when I was in college. After that, they bought a mini van. They're doing that clever trick where they buy the cars made for people with kids after their kids have already grown up and moved out. 🙂

 

[want2beadoc]

Hmm what soonereng said. I think you are missing the door key. My parents Sable (the mercury model of the Taurus) has two keys: one for the ignition and one for the doors and trunk.

 

[JohnnyOU]

I think Bagel Babe is making all this car stuff up just to get outta studying!
😉

 

[Mr. Freeze]

I doubt when Ford made the Taurus that they thought of this, but when you shave the door handles off a "kustom kar", you replace the door mechanism with a solenoid that pops the door open; great if, as you now know, your battery is charged. So to combat things like dead batteries, you put remote terminals, that go to the battery, so you can open your doors by jumper cables. Most people put 'em down on a frame rail or something sturdy like that. So you might see if something like that exists.

Alternately, you could have your SO reach through the grill or up from the bottom in front of the radiator and pull on the cable that comes from the hood release under the dash. Hood pops open, problem solved.

 

[Amxcvbcv]

Best idea yet.

Take your phys syllabus and throw it through the window. If that doesn't work, get the neuro syllabus.

 

[soonereng]

They're doing that clever trick where they buy the cars made for people with kids after their kids have already grown up and moved out. 🙂

Think it's a hint that they want grandchildren?

 

[Doctor Bagel]

Best idea yet.

Take your phys syllabus and throw it through the window. If that doesn't work, get the neuro syllabus.

I like that idea. 🙂

Soonereng -- they've already got 4, so I don't think they need to hint anymore. They do babysit my nieces all the time, so I guess the minivan comes in handy. I think it's also a way to buy a big car but avoid buying a buick because that would be like admitting you're old.

I hate charts. So I'm trying to study Dormer's stuff and hit this orthostatic reflex junk. There's no description of anything and 4 boxes are blacked out. What am I supposed to get from this?

 

[Mr. Freeze]

I like that idea. 🙂

Soonereng -- they've already got 4, so I don't think they need to hint anymore. They do babysit my nieces all the time, so I guess the minivan comes in handy. I think it's also a way to buy a big car but avoid buying a buick because that would be like admitting you're old.

I hate charts. So I'm trying to study Dormer's stuff and hit this orthostatic reflex junk. There's no description of anything and 4 boxes are blacked out. What am I supposed to get from this?

When you stand up blood pools in your legs, BP drops, baroreceptor reflex kicks in, sympathetics increase, BP comes up due to the actions of sympathetics. Charts are dumb.

 

[Wizard of Oz]

When you stand up blood pools in your legs, BP drops, baroreceptor reflex kicks in, sympathetics increase, BP comes up due to the actions of sympathetics. Charts are dumb.

👍 We somehow need twelve arrows to explain a simple concept. I'm with you. Low BP? Well let's think of a bunch of stuff that will raise it. Yeah that's the stuff that happens next. BP high? Do the opposite stuff.

 

[RachelD]

I like that idea. 🙂


I hate charts. So I'm trying to study Dormer's stuff and hit this orthostatic reflex junk. There's no description of anything and 4 boxes are blacked out. What am I supposed to get from this?

This is from a practice question on Blackboard:

When patient X moves from a supine position to a standing position, what is a potential physiological response in the context of the "orthostatic reflex?"

When a person goes from supine to a standing position, the vertical hydrostatic gradient changes from 15-0 mmHg to 100 mmHg, thus increasing the venous pressure substantially.
The respiratory pump will counteract the increase in systemic venous volume by increasing venous return.

I don't know if that makes sense or not because my brain is dead from three days of studying. I know nothing right about now....

 

[Doctor Bagel]

This is from a practice question on Blackboard:

When patient X moves from a supine position to a standing position, what is a potential physiological response in the context of the "orthostatic reflex?"

When a person goes from supine to a standing position, the vertical hydrostatic gradient changes from 15-0 mmHg to 100 mmHg, thus increasing the venous pressure substantially.
The respiratory pump will counteract the increase in systemic venous volume by increasing venous return.

I don't know if that makes sense or not because my brain is dead from three days of studying. I know nothing right about now....

I had to read that about five times because I'm with you on the fried brain. I've done Dormer stuff all day, and I pretty much want to cry.

So I got Freeze's explanation. That's something.

 

[Wizard of Oz]

I had to read that about five times because I'm with you on the fried brain. I've done Dormer stuff all day, and I pretty much want to cry.

So I got Freeze's explanation. That's something.

I've been focusing on BRS Phys for Dormer's stuff. That man takes an apparently straight-forward concept (at least based on Costanzo) and twists it into a nightmare. I bet that he is hanging out with O'Don, Hanas, and Steinberg somewhere smoking a cigar.

I think that the entire cardiac section could be summed up with a chart to memorize. On the left, write "When ___ increases, then" followed by columns for CO, venous return, MAP, resistance, blah blah blah. It somehow seems like the straight rote memory approach would be faster.

Surely there must be some creature that just speeds and slows its heart rate when appropriate. I wish we were that creature.

 

[Mr. Freeze]

I've been focusing on BRS Phys for Dormer's stuff. That man takes an apparently straight-forward concept (at least based on Costanzo) and twists it into a nightmare. I bet that he is hanging out with O'Don, Hanas, and Steinberg somewhere smoking a cigar.

I think that the entire cardiac section could be summed up with a chart to memorize. On the left, write "When ___ increases, then" followed by columns for CO, venous return, MAP, resistance, blah blah blah. It somehow seems like the straight rote memory approach would be faster.

Surely there must be some creature that just speeds and slows its heart rate when appropriate. I wish we were that creature.

What makes him very confusing is that many of the physics rules mean something completely opposite in one vessel or one series of vessels than they do when you take the WHOLE system into account, and he shifts between these two descriptions without letting us know.

I'm wondering if I'm underestimating him because BRS makes it so much easier...

 

[Wizard of Oz]

...

Just a heads-up, Freeze, NR is taking issue with your CPR response on the DB.

Why can't MRSA draw such fire?

 

[Mr. Freeze]

Yeah, MRSA just doesn't get people going like a good ol'fashioned heart attack...which is a shame, cuz it's a bad mamba-jamba...

 

[Amxcvbcv]

Make sure you know the formula for calculating CO from body surface area or something like that. It wasn't in the syllabus last year, and if I hadn't absentmindedly written it down while half-comatose in lecture I would have given away another easy point.

Seriously. Five minutes before our Block 1 exam last spring I rolled into the mod and asked a few people, "what the heck does this mean?!" *holding up page on which the aforementioned nearly-illegible formula is written*

If it weren't for my mod mates I doubt I'd be here. 😛

 

[Doctor Bagel]

Make sure you know the formula for calculating CO from body surface area or something like that. It wasn't in the syllabus last year, and if I hadn't absentmindedly written it down while half-comatose in lecture I would have given away another easy point.

Seriously. Five minutes before our Block 1 exam last spring I rolled into the mod and asked a few people, "what the heck does this mean?!" *holding up page on which the aforementioned nearly-illegible formula is written*

If it weren't for my mod mates I doubt I'd be here. 😛

I have no clue what that formula is. I'm officially screwed.

You know what I hate. When the examples and wording in the syllabus are unclear, and you get exactly the same examples and wording in notegroups. Not blaming the notegroups writers -- I'm assuming they just wrote down what was said in class.

Please tell me that phys doesn't stay as crappy as this Dormer stuff.

 

[glp]

Please tell me that phys doesn't stay as crappy as this Dormer stuff.

i hear the kidney is much easier.

 

[Wizard of Oz]

Make sure you know the formula for calculating CO from body surface area or something like that. It wasn't in the syllabus last year, and if I hadn't absentmindedly written it down while half-comatose in lecture I would have given away another easy point.

😱 The only equations I know for CO are (SV)(HR), (MAP-RAP)/TPR, and (oxygen consumption)/(pulmonary vein oxygen-pulmonary artery oxygen) aka Fick.

I honestly hope that you're talking about cardiac index (CV-24) or I'm screwed on this one.

 

[Doctor Bagel]

i hear the kidney is much easier.

That's good news.

I love Costanzo. Has anybody else noticed that there appear to be a lot of errors in notegroups? I'm guessing that's because Dormer's confusing.

Yeah, art school. I'm not artistic either, though. 🙁

That response to Freeze on hippo seemed a bit harsh. That guy doesn't seem too happy.

 

[Mr. Freeze]

Yeah, that's it...cv-24

 

[JohnnyOU]

That response to Freeze on hippo seemed a bit harsh. That guy doesn't seem too happy.

? I better check out hippo 😀

I've been studying this physio crap for over a week and feel like I know maybe 1/2 of it. 😡

 

[Amxcvbcv]

I assume CV-24 is a page reference or something?

I think equation was CI = CO/BSA or something like that.




I thought renal physiology was more difficult, but Dr. Benyajati is an awesome professor. It kind of comes out a wash, I guess.

Farber's presentation is kind of dry which makes pulmonary phys a little challenging.

Good luck with TB IV. =) I'm glad we're almost to TB X.


Perhaps we should name them after the cranial nerves. This one makes me want to gag. 😉

 

[JohnnyOU]

Who the f*ck is that Rao douchebag ?
He better be big with a mouth like that.

 

[Doctor Bagel]

I assume CV-24 is a page reference or something?

I think equation was CI = CO/BSA or something like that.




I thought renal physiology was more difficult, but Dr. Benyajati is an awesome professor. It kind of comes out a wash, I guess.

Farber's presentation is kind of dry which makes pulmonary phys a little challenging.

Good luck with TB IV. =) I'm glad we're almost to TB X.


Perhaps we should name them after the cranial nerves. This one makes me want to gag. 😉

That appears to be it. Now I'm hoping that'll be a question since I think I can get that one right.

Can I mention again that Costanzo is fantastic. Those kids at VCU must be a lucky bunch. I'm still gonna do bad, but oh well. I remember the kidney being the hardest part of the MCAT, so I'm not surprised it's hard.

So we're at the trochlear nerve. This test block makes me want to look downward and outward (or is it inward -- the superior oblique baffles me?).

I hate the buildup to test block. I think it's the most stressful part of the week because we have all of our tests in front of us. I think I'll be okay once I get through histology.

 

[Wizard of Oz]

That's good news.
I love Costanzo. Has anybody else noticed that there appear to be a lot of errors in notegroups? I'm guessing that's because Dormer's confusing.

I decided not to use them this semester for that reason. I kept my membership for the mp3's, but word on the street is that they didn't actually filter out people who resigned.

Perhaps a better option than faculty/student boards, most of blackboard, notegroups, xdrive, etc...anybody think it wouldn't just be easier to email us the stuff? Then we could just store it on our own computers, rename the files, and wouldn't be screwed when the server goes down. Plus people send us stuff AND post on the DB, and then there are others who post and then email all of us to say that there is something on the DB.

I understand the utility of Hippocrates for faculty-originated material, but for our stuff I'm going to have to refer to Avril Lavigne. Why ya have to go and make things so complicated?

I prefer to think of these first four blocks as the four horsemen of the apocolypse..

"And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see. And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him."

I tell myself that hopefully I'll get with it so that the NEXT block will be easier. The next one just seems to arrive too quickly each time.

 

[Mr. Freeze]

As a roughly irrelevant aside: The palm of your hand is roughly 1% of your BSA.

If you use the Rule of Nines to figure BSA, 18% per leg, 18% for both arms, 18% for the back torso, 18 for the front torso, 9 for the head and neck, you'll find that adds up to 99%. Where is the other 1%? External genitalia. Coincidence? I think not...

What's funny, at least to me, which is all that matters sometimes, is that I think the method described in the article our Hypertrophied Webmaster posted will result in a higher success rate, when done by bystanders and cops, who are really just bystanders that always beat the ambulances to the scene. But for professionals to continue that method once they've arrived and have the ability to oxygenate someone, both due to equipment and the manpower to not have to decide between vent/compress, that seems silly to me.

But it is no fun to say, "Oh that's a great idea, we should all do it..." because you can't get under people's skin...

 

[Doctor Bagel]

I decided not to use them this semester for that reason. I kept my membership for the mp3's, but word on the street is that they didn't actually filter out people who resigned.

Honestly, the way it's set up now, I don't see how they can keep the nonsubcribers from getting the files. With xdrive, I guess they could, but since the thing now is just on hippocrates, I think all people with hippo access can look at notegroups. I'm generally a fan of notegroups (I think I'm the only one 🙂 ), but I don't think they've been too helpful for physio. Also, I think it doesn't work well that one person does all the notegroups for our class just because diversity in notetakers creates a more balanced final product, imo.

So I haven't studied Garrett's stuff at all since the mini. I guess I should do that.

 

[Wizard of Oz]

But it is no fun to say, "Oh that's a great idea, we should all do it..." because you can't get under people's skin...

Speaking about getting under people's skin, how about that MRSA colonization rate in healthcare workers?

So I haven't studied Garrett's stuff at all since the mini. I guess I should do that.

👍 I was just looking at some of that, and I was like, uh, time constant? Length constant? Seems like I blew that question on the mini. Dunno if that's in BRS or not.

Anybody think he's going to ask us which subunit in the voltage-gated potassium channel senses the voltage and where the ion pore is? Seems a little nit-picky, but I can't really afford to look past stuff anymore.

I was over on another thread playing a little trans-Internet pimping with an SDNer at KU over cardiac physiology. Contemplating doing that on our DB--it's definitely keeping my eyes on my notes while I otherwise waste time, but I don't know if anybody would benefit from it here. Most people are anti-DB, just something else that they feel required to look at but don't participate in. shrug

 

[glp]

im going to skim through garrett's stuff, write down all the important equations and call it good to go. i agree with bagel, the build up to test block stresses me out more than the test themselves.

wiz- you should remember from studying for the mini that the pore is between and transmembrane spanning domains 5 and 6 and the voltage sensing area is #4.

 

[Doctor Bagel]

Memorizing how many subunits there are and how many transmembrane regions there are reminds just a little too much of biochem. 👎

Stupid histology question -- I'm entirely out of touch in that class. On Tuesday, we show up and take the practical and then take the written? With the practical, does he just show stuff on the overhead and then we just identify it from our seats? Also, since the dental students don't have to take the practicals, why do they get the free CD?

Stupid physiology question -- is ATP needed to detach myosin from actin in smooth muscle, too? It looks like that's somewhere in the picture, but I'm a chart dyslexic person.

 

[Wizard of Oz]

Stupid histology question -- I'm entirely out of touch in that class. On Tuesday, we show up and take the practical and then take the written? With the practical, does he just show stuff on the overhead and then we just identify it from our seats? Also, since the dental students don't have to take the practicals, why do they get the free CD?

As far as I know, what you mentioned is correct; though I did not know that the practical came first.

Don't you remember that one "Which is harder" thread? I think that we determined that since dental school is harder, they get a free CD.

Gimme a minute on the phys question, I didn't read it correctly at first.