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Just saying. I wanted to take that temptation out of the system.
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Just saying. I wanted to take that temptation out of the system.
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Yeah, we probably still could have done a doc. Would have just had to delete it right now, but perhaps dyachei has something else in mind??
Anyway, wolves can convert every third night, there is a specific wolf who does this. There is also a wolf seer. And the silencing role, belongs to a wolf as well as that was my wolf ability prior. I am curious to see if this role change thing will happen again on Night 8... maybe an every 4th night thing? Or just a one time occurrence... could this have been someone's ability? or just them mods having some fun?
I was going to say, the one asset we do have is knowledge of the amount of original wolves, and what those wolves can do.
Kind of lame that the wolves get a seer back, but I guess they did convert me upon LIS' death. Wonder if they had converted someone else, they wouldn't get that seer role back.
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I was trying to enact mod justice as a number of us discussed recently. I thought wld pretty much only voted and had no relevant comments, and I also figured the wolves might be cautious to always post a vote so they wouldn't be killed by me....
I was hoping to catch a wolf by going "further" up the list.
Swings was next on my list but I thought FFM was investigating her.
Then DVMD, but I wouldn't kill her at night since she posts regularly.
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See, we all got the "you are now a vanilla villager" PM. Every wolf has said it so far. I'm betting we got moved to be villagers regardless, whether it was plain vanilla or role'd villagers. And that everyone else who was NOT a wolf originally (and maybe converted? Not sure about FFM) would have equal chance at being RNG'd for ANY role in the game.
See what I'm saying? I dunno if that's confusing...it makes sense in my head.
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It wasn't lame when we converted you and were still wolves...
Now, I am wondering the same... had I known I was going to become a villager, I would have tried to convert someone who didn't have a role, but perhaps that wolf seer role was always going to be filled??
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That theory of mine has been discredited (mostly)...
but if it were true, that claim would had to be made by 5 people to be able to be usable, because 4 wolves for sure would say that. 😀
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Good move imo. Better safe than sorry.
I've been a villager, when I know that Peej was a wolf, and I could just look at her PMs to get the other wolves. I didn't look at her PMs, but I prefer not having that temptation.
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You did? I thought first you voted for me immediately after the results.......
Agreed. But I still think you are the most logical person to lynch. Since we're essentially randomly lynching among the remaining players, and you are the only player known to possess the ability to avoid being lynched, and we're essentially back at Day 1 of the game except with a worse villager:wolf ratio .... we can't risk you being a wolf. We have to both remove your veto and investigate you.
But yet you somehow thought that a formerly role-holding villager couldn't be a wolf? You're just not making sense. Why did you think role-holding villagers couldn't be a wolf but former wolves could be? I'm not attacking you; I just don't see the logic behind holding both those assumptions. And anytime I don't understand someone I get suspicious.
Say what? 😕
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It wasn't lame when we converted you and were still wolves...
Now, I am wondering the same... had I known I was going to become a villager, I would have tried to convert someone who didn't have a role, but perhaps that wolf seer role was always going to be filled??
Yeah, for me it's like:
"Yay, we got got a wolf" (referring to the LIS lynch when I was the villager seer)
"I am a wolf, and yay, I get to stay a seer" (upon conversion)
"Boo, no red names in the dead column" (upon role reshuffle)
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Yep. That explains the constant reminders in the mod posts about paying attention to mod pms too. So, now how long until they do this again?
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we were only a little obvious, huh?
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Yeah, I was unsure about converting you at first because I was not sure if you were a person that liked being converted or not. Some people hate it, some people like it and some people don't care either way. But I really felt the wolves needed a player that had a role so that the wolf could say, "hey, I am "x" role" and not just be saying, "hey, no I am a vanilla villager, don't lynch me." We really needed that cover as wolves and I had an inkling that you had a role.... in hindsight, might not have been the best idea, but I was thinking I would be a wolf until the end. I wonder, if the villagers have a seer though, since us wolves converted the villager seer to a wolf seer, I wonder if the villager seer is no more...
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LIS -
not sure why we are still talking about this... but you continue to miss the totality of how this all happened.
1) I see you are resurrected. I vote to lynch you.
2) It is reported on the thread that Dwin lost his role and is a plain villager. I hear from FFM that he was a wolf but is now a villager.
3) I put the pieces together and extrapolate that all people with roles are now plain villagers ...based on Dwin/me and all wolves are plain villagers... based on you being back and being able to speak, and FFM spilling the beans to me.
from these conclusions===> we can narrow down the wolf list by separating the old people with roles and the new.
4) It seems that wolves might have roles. Some vanilla villagers claim they are still vanilla. Not as compelling but could be true.
5) I recant BOTH theories.... I see no reason to believe all people with roles now are vanila, or that all wolves are vanilla villagers OR villagers with roles.
6) now it is all RNGed.... A particular old wolf = 1/4 chance of being a wolf. A particular old villager = 1/4 chance of being a wolf , a particular old villager with role = 1/4 chance of being a wolf.
Please stop taking pieces of what I said from different times and compare them... I have changed how I was thinking from 1) before the disclosure of everyone role changing 2) after the disclosure and 3) After learning more info about who has what roles.
ALL I AM SAYING NOW IS: best guess... It is day 1. No one has any better odds of being a wolf than anyone else.
not sure why we are still talking about this... but you continue to miss the totality of how this all happened.
1) I see you are resurrected. I vote to lynch you.
2) It is reported on the thread that Dwin lost his role and is a plain villager. I hear from FFM that he was a wolf but is now a villager.
3) I put the pieces together and extrapolate that all people with roles are now plain villagers ...based on Dwin/me and all wolves are plain villagers... based on you being back and being able to speak, and FFM spilling the beans to me.
from these conclusions===> we can narrow down the wolf list by separating the old people with roles and the new.
4) It seems that wolves might have roles. Some vanilla villagers claim they are still vanilla. Not as compelling but could be true.
5) I recant BOTH theories.... I see no reason to believe all people with roles now are vanila, or that all wolves are vanilla villagers OR villagers with roles.
6) now it is all RNGed.... A particular old wolf = 1/4 chance of being a wolf. A particular old villager = 1/4 chance of being a wolf , a particular old villager with role = 1/4 chance of being a wolf.
Please stop taking pieces of what I said from different times and compare them... I have changed how I was thinking from 1) before the disclosure of everyone role changing 2) after the disclosure and 3) After learning more info about who has what roles.
ALL I AM SAYING NOW IS: best guess... It is day 1. No one has any better odds of being a wolf than anyone else.
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At the time, it was a great decision. I was laughing and applauding from the grave.
I mean, how would you predict this coming? Not a chance.
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Sorry, hadn't quite caught up yet.
Also I would just like to say KNEW IT with abbers!
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As for lynching me... because .. whatever..
It might make sense to remove the lynch and remove the desire to convert me to get that.....
it isn't going to get us a wolf... but here it goes.
unlynch tucker
lynch SOV
Unfortunately this means we waste an investigation on me and are back at RNG tomorrow.
It might make sense to remove the lynch and remove the desire to convert me to get that.....
it isn't going to get us a wolf... but here it goes.
unlynch tucker
lynch SOV
Unfortunately this means we waste an investigation on me and are back at RNG tomorrow.
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Because we're trying to put together the 'most likely scenario' so we can make intelligent decisions about what to do. I don't know why you're so hostile. I'm just laying out how I see things, and you keep accusing me of being 'vitriolic' while laying out snarky comments like the one above (not to mention the 'ftfy' thing). I mean, dude, I'm just trying to figure it out. But you keep acting like angry papa bear. Chill out, ok?
Since I've agreed with that, and said as much, I'm not sure why you're yelling.
My suspicion of you is based on how you're reacting. You're getting angry, defensive, and shouting..... when all I'm doing is pointing out things that don't make sense to me, proposing what I see as most-likely scenarios, and suggesting what I see as the best course of action. But you keep making it personal, when it's not.
I still want to know what this meant. "Any wolf who claims they aren't a villager"? I don't understand that. I can't tell if it was innocuous and a typo, or I don't understand it, or you're a wolf and slipped up.
Recap: I agree with you that the entire game was reshuffled top to bottom and we're all as likely to be wolves as not.
So, that means we're essentially restarting. Except you're wrong about it being Day 1, because we're down 4 (or so? going on memory) villagers, so the wolf:villager ratio is worse.
So that's why I want to lynch you and burn the veto and have you investigated tonight.
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You and TRH... with the whole 1 wolf/group thing.... it wasn't accurate, by the way... there was one group without a wolf... I told you so. 😛
But you were going after the right person and I was waiting for one of you two to say something slightly suspicious that I could play up and get a lynch going... thanks, TRH... 😉
Honestly, still don't agree with the 1 wolf/group thing... yes, it can be true. But there are 4 wolves and 5 groups, so there will not be 1 wolf/group... there could be 4 groups that have a wolf (as there was before), but the mods could have mixed it up now as well.
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You and TRH... with the whole 1 wolf/group thing.... it wasn't accurate, by the way... there was one group without a wolf... I told you so. 😛
But you were going after the right person and I was waiting for one of you two to say something slightly suspicious that I could play up and get a lynch going... thanks, TRH... 😉
Honestly, still don't agree with the 1 wolf/group thing... yes, it can be true. But there are 4 wolves and 5 groups, so there will not be 1 wolf/group... there could be 4 groups that have a wolf (as there was before), but the mods could have mixed it up now as well.
I definitely don't think it's true all the time or even most of the time, but when we have no info it's better than nothing. But look at it this time, 4/5 groups had one wolf. Then Abbers was suspicious anyways. And you were next on my list! Lucky things got swapped.
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See, this doesn't make sense to me.
Would you ever normally argue that investigating the mayor at the beginning of a game is a waste?
You're the mayor. Nobody - including you - is clear. So we HAVE to investigate you. Just like any normal game. Right?
What am I missing, SOV? Why is it a waste to investigate you?
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I must somehow be a terrible wolf. Someone will have to tell me what I did.
That's three people who were out for my blood.
Then again, last game I was a straight up villager up until near the very end...and THEN got converted.
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*and people were still out for my blood...thanks DocE
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Yes that is supposed to read "any wolf who claims they are a villager"....
Not sure how that phrase makes any sense in any scenario...
Just saying that I don't believe any ex-wolf claim of "I am a villager" any more or less than anyone else saying that now.
I thought for a while people (like DVMD) were accepting all ex-wolves are good and are therefore a target. I think (and I think you agree) all ex-wolves were RNG-ed so they are no more likely to be targets and we should not trust their word MORE than other (or less).
Tabula Rosa!
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Normally we lynch someone the first day who is not the mayor. But now, we are passing on a lynch opportunity..... and my point is I KNOW the result of the investigation, so tomorrow we will have no info on a wolf and will be RNG-ing again.
Wasn't a big point, just it is not usual to lynch the mayor the first day.
You are correct though, we are now 4 days in with no dead wolves (i forgot you were the only one we got). And we will be 5 days in with no dead wolves after this. And day 6 we will have to RNG, so the wolves are gaining a big advantage.
As I think about this, I think the mods have too many wolves in this game. If it is all RNG reassortment, then we never gain ANY storehouse of cleared players and we are always starting from scratch, and the wolves have the advantage in the beginning of games. ......
Makes me wonder......
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Yeah, I still say that an investigation of anyone is NEVER a waste... EVER. Even if we do not get a wolf from the investigation, we get another person cleared to be a villager, which is good for us. So yeah, I will never buy the, "it is a waste to investigate me" bit, because it is not true, in any context.
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I really hope there was only 1 reassortment..... or we are screwed....
Or there is something else at play here. Something "unknown"?
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I am not saying any investigation is a waste... I am saying if you are the person being investigated... and you know you aren't a wolf... then of course it is a waste from your point of view.
Just lynch me and lets get this game moving already....
I am tired of all the talk.
And send in your night actions early, nothing new is going to come out of this lynch.... maybe the mods can move the game along. 😴
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Still, if we don't lynch you then what? We RNG right now and still risk losing a villager.... we lynch you then we lynch nobody today, villager or wolf, yes wolves will most likely get a villager tonight, but we aren't also losing a villager during the day. So why not give ourselves the "free pass" and at least get a night of investigation in before we being the RNG the next day (if we end up needing it).
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We will have to agree to disagree on this then, because I am a villager and if someone were to investigate me I would not see it as a waste.
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I voted to lynch me... not arguing.... just lamenting.......
I still think this game is wolf-friendly if it has multiple reassortments, but I don't think we really get "it", whatever "it" is.
I mean, why bring back LIS, the only wolf we got? Why him? Just to feck with us?
How many wolves are there? Four? Three? Five? Why allow conversions if they unconvert?
I don't really get it. I feel like I am playing naked.... in a different universe...
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that means we're doing it right.
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We have to find a way to take the wolf roles out of the game completely.
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I guess it is the format .... If we only get 4 rounds before another reassortment, then every investigation is really important...
Normally one investigation is one of many.... and we build a storehouse of information..
but now an investigation was only good for 4 cycles. So if I know we are wasting one i just feel impatient that we may not get a wolf this cycle and the "poof" new roles again.
Then again, maybe in the next reassortment I WILL be a wolf, and then I will be happy we wasted an investigation on me previously
Hmmm. Perhaps I should think of it that way. Glass is half full! Yes, I feel much better now. Villagers are getting crushed, but one day I will be a wolf and it won't feel as bad?
See, this game is fecking with my mind. Is this how y'all feel in one of my games?
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I guess if there is a reassortment, the Group2 wolves can gives us a little more info.
Something to look forward to.
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😛
I am going to design a role JUST for you in my new game... We'll see who has the last laugh.
hmmmm.........how can I drive dyachei crazy......
hmmmmm......you are a tough cookie to crack.... the maddest I've seen you is when "Lee" was a wolf in the SDN game. Unfortunately that doesn;t fit my theme....
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Whoa nelly, awesome game mechanic!
I am also still a vanilla villager - I got no PMs last night.
I skimmed through everything but need to shower and change before writing up any more thoughts and want to get my vote in in case of early close. So lynch SOV for now.
I am also still a vanilla villager - I got no PMs last night.
I skimmed through everything but need to shower and change before writing up any more thoughts and want to get my vote in in case of early close. So lynch SOV for now.
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I guess it is the format .... If we only get 4 rounds before another reassortment, then every investigation is really important...
Normally one investigation is one of many.... and we build a storehouse of information..
but now an investigation was only good for 4 cycles. So if I know we are wasting one i just feel impatient that we may not get a wolf this cycle and the "poof" new roles again.
Then again, maybe in the next reassortment I WILL be a wolf, and then I will be happy we wasted an investigation on me previously
Yes, I feel much better now. Villagers are getting crushed, but one day I will be a wolf and it won't feel as bad?
See, this game is fecking with my mind. Is this how y'all feel in one of my games?
I don't know if there will be another reassortment.... I was honestly just speculating. I kind of doubt there will be because that would really give the wolves an advantage, but it was just something that came into my mind, so I posted it for discussion.
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I am inclined to believe there is going to be another one... otherwise why night 4?
The only answers I come up with are:
1) Every 4 nights.
2) There was a role that somehow caused this. If there was, I am not sure why someone wouldn't speak up they had that role (or maybe they haven't checked in yet).
3) 4th night is random. If I was doing a reshuffle, I wouldn';t do it so early, but that is just me.
4) Some other crazy thing I can't think of.
It is probably #4.
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Join the crowd.
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people are always complaining there isn't enough activity in thread...well, now there is. 😀
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BTW,
I am vetoing the lynch of me (and only of me).
ANd I am conceding that I am going to be lynched..... so feel free to close it whenever you like (not like you don't do that anyway. 😀)
I am vetoing the lynch of me (and only of me).
ANd I am conceding that I am going to be lynched..... so feel free to close it whenever you like (not like you don't do that anyway. 😀)
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Ok.
I did think that all ex-wolves were good, but a few things since then have made me think we were all re-rolled and that the game is essentially reset (minus some original villagers). I think we've arrived at the same point.
Right. I wouldn't normally want to make the mayor use the veto day one.
Either way (whether people agree with me about removing the lynch at this point, which is pretty much a judgment call, not really a "right" or "wrong" thing), I still think we *HAVE* to investigate you tonight.
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***lynch SOV*** would rather not take out a villager we need numbers
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But it's not a waste even then. I *LOVE* being investigated when I'm a villager, because then someone can vouch for me.
But I take it you just meant it's a waste in the sense that we won't find a wolf. Either way, I agree with DVMD: every investigation nets us data and isn't a waste.
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If SOV is conceding to being lynched....I'll toss my vote that way to just close it out sooner (if mods are waiting for more actual votes)
Lynch SOV
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