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[phar]

This school kicked me out unfairly and i have all the proof. And, i am not letting them go free. I am really pissed off at them. I will embrass them and discredit them or they will apologize to me and pay my tuition fees. Should i let them go free?

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[Caverject]

You have all the proof eh? How about self responsibility? Airing this type of stuff is unbecoming of a future, well ex-future professional, such as yourself.

 

[bananaface]

And what did you do to make LECOM think you deserved to be kicked out?

 

[ultracet]

We have committees in place that you go through before anything like that happens.
I would assume most schools have appropriate paths to go through if you feel you have been treated unfairly.

You cannot however be rash about it.

Check your handbook to make sure it was unjust before taking any action.

 

[hysteriaweb]

Sounds like your venting, maybe this was a reality check for you.

 

[phar]

Sounds like your venting, maybe this was a reality check for you.

reality check? what reality check for them? there is always 2 sides to any story. right?

 

[phar]

And what did you do to make LECOM think you deserved to be kicked out?

Nothing...

 

[kwakster928]

This school kicked me out unfairly and i have all the proof. And, i am not letting them go free. I am really pissed off at them. I will embrass them and discredit them or they will apologize to me and pay my tuition fees. Should i let them go free?

question is what the heck did you do?

 

[bananaface]

Nothing...

I have a difficult time accepting your answer at face value.

 

[pharmacology]

I have a hard time believing that they gave you absolutely no reason as to why they terminated you from the school. You may not want to say it here...and I can understand that. But I am sure they had their reasons....whether unjust or not.

 

[LVPharm]

Phar, how can you expect anyone to take your allegation at face value? You don't disclose the reason behind your withdrawal from the program. ...and "Nothing" is not an answer. Spewing unsubstantiated anger on every SDN forum does nothing to help your argument, it just makes you seem petty, bitter, and in denial of something that was probably your own fault. Pray tell, did you get caught cheating?

 

[phar]

Phar, how can you expect anyone to take your allegation at face value? You don't disclose the reason behind your withdrawal from the program. ...and "Nothing" is not an answer. Spewing unsubstantiated anger on every SDN forum does nothing to help your argument, it just makes you seem petty, bitter, and in denial of something that was probably your own fault. Pray tell, did you get caught cheating?

Okay, here is the answer. I was kicked out for failing 1 class. My student life at lecom is no different than any other student. So, they chose to kick me out to become stricter but they chose the wrong student(me) and so they will pay the price for it.

 

[Glycerin]

Okay, here is the answer. I was kicked out for failing 1 class. My student life at lecom is no different than any other student. So, they chose to kick me out to become stricter but they chose the wrong student(me) and so they will pay the price for it.

The following is verbatim from the LECOM School of Pharmacy Student Handbook, 2004-2005:


5.12 DISMISSAL

The School may dismiss a student at any time it deems necessary to safeguard its standards of scholarship, conduct, and orderly operation.
The SPG Committee may recommend dismissal of a student for any of the following reasons:
1. Receiving a grade of F in a remediated course or experiential rotation.
2. Receiving a grade between 59.5 and 69.4 in more than 4 courses in a semester.
3. Receiving a grade < 59.5 and/or failing a remediation exam in more than 3
courses in an academic year.
4. Receiving a grade of F in three experiential rotations or three Fs in one semester of an academic year.
5. Unsatisfactory professional and personal behavior, including but not limited to the following:
a. attendance
b. cooperation with instructors
c. interaction with fellow students, associates, the School, pharmacy, and
hospital personnel
d. approach to and interaction with patients
e. personal appearance not in compliance with the School?s dress code
6. Not demonstrating continued academic and professional growth and achievement.

The School may dismiss the student at any time before graduation, if circumstances of a legal, moral,
behavioral, ethical, health, or academic nature justify such an action.

The academic record of any student who has been dismissed will be a part of the data reviewed if the student applies for re-admission. If the student seeks re-admission, the student must go through the admissions process.

From this, it seems that if you've failed only one course one time, then you are placed on probation. Now, whether they are able to alter this handbook at anytime is a different matter. I know a lot of my professors state in their syllabi "Information contained within this syllabus is subject to change at anytime throughout the semester." If a similar disclaimer is tacked onto the handbook (and no, I'm not reading the entire thing to find out), then you could be SOL.

 

[ultracet]

The way i read that they can pretty much kick you out if they want to.


For example:
5. Unsatisfactory professional and personal behavior, including but not limited to the following:
a. attendance
b. cooperation with instructors Instructor doesn't like you
c. interaction with fellow students, associates, the School, pharmacy, and
hospital personnel fellow student doesn't like you
d. approach to and interaction with patients
e. personal appearance not in compliance with the School?s dress code
6. Not demonstrating continued academic and professional growth and achievement. they don't think you want to learn

The School may dismiss the student at any time before graduation, if circumstances of a legal, moral,
behavioral, ethical, health, or academic nature justify such an action.
The interesting thing is the word health here. I guess if you get sick they can kick you out too!



they really have very broad things here and can pretty much use them to their discression

 

[dontworry]

Looking at their definitions, they do seem quite broad. Have you contacted them about appealing the decision, when was the decision made? Im sure they have an appeal process. Try contacting your advisor for some help with this issue. It seems that they cant kick you out until you didnt pass the course a second time and that the other reasons, well maybe they would need some evidence to base their decision on. Maybe a letter written by faculty member or a students complaint. You said you have evidence, what would that be? Are there any faculty members that you are close with, maybe talk with them to get more info, see if they understand what has happened. Maybe with an issue like this you will need faculty members to support that you are a good, hardworking student and dont deserve to be kicked out. Keep us updated on this, it seems quite interesting.

 

[Ypo.]

Phar failed one class, its true. But he forgot to mention that he failed that one class three times.

 

[LVPharm]

Phar failed one class, its true. But he forgot to mention that he failed that one class three times.

How are you familiar with his situation...are you a classmate? Just curious...

 

[phar]

The following is verbatim from the LECOM School of Pharmacy Student Handbook, 2004-2005:


5.12 DISMISSAL

The School may dismiss a student at any time it deems necessary to safeguard its standards of scholarship, conduct, and orderly operation.
The SPG Committee may recommend dismissal of a student for any of the following reasons:
1. Receiving a grade of F in a remediated course or experiential rotation.
2. Receiving a grade between 59.5 and 69.4 in more than 4 courses in a semester.
3. Receiving a grade < 59.5 and/or failing a remediation exam in more than 3
courses in an academic year.
4. Receiving a grade of F in three experiential rotations or three Fs in one semester of an academic year.
5. Unsatisfactory professional and personal behavior, including but not limited to the following:
a. attendance
b. cooperation with instructors
c. interaction with fellow students, associates, the School, pharmacy, and
hospital personnel
d. approach to and interaction with patients
e. personal appearance not in compliance with the School?s dress code
6. Not demonstrating continued academic and professional growth and achievement.

The School may dismiss the student at any time before graduation, if circumstances of a legal, moral,
behavioral, ethical, health, or academic nature justify such an action.

The academic record of any student who has been dismissed will be a part of the data reviewed if the student applies for re-admission. If the student seeks re-admission, the student must go through the admissions process.

From this, it seems that if you've failed only one course one time, then you are placed on probation. Now, whether they are able to alter this handbook at anytime is a different matter. I know a lot of my professors state in their syllabi "Information contained within this syllabus is subject to change at anytime throughout the semester." If a similar disclaimer is tacked onto the handbook (and no, I'm not reading the entire thing to find out), then you could be SOL.

Every year, colleges release new 'student handbooks' but you are required to follow only the year your student handbook was released as it is the one that you signed during the orientation (as in professional schools). Secondly, lecom's new student handbook is way much stricter and my case does not apply to it and if their lawyer thinks it does apply (he/she should take law 101).

******Very Simple....... Polices("rules") are always written loosely when reality is in question as in academic performance.

******I have decided where a law suit is appropriate for LECOM yet but it may happen should they forget 'Common Sense 101'.

*****yposhelley. Hi sweetie pie....... I am assuming you are female. Females are supposed to be smarter than males(fact of file).......yet your comments to my threads clearly state that you need to re-take "speech 101/bias 101". If it is indeed "bias 101", i hope you are getting an excellent commission from lecom or else you are a fool.

 

[bananaface]

The 2002-2003 handbook states that you may be dismissed for "Not demonstrating continued academic and professional growth and achievement." (5.12 Dismissal)

I can't find the 2003-2004 handbook. But, I presume that the language covers at least as much ground as far as dismissal goes.

Failing the same class three times would indicate to me that you are "not demonstrating continued academic and professional growth and achievement." From the other comments in this thread, I am comfortable saying that at least most of the other students here feel the same way that I do. If you can't convince us, about the only person you will be able to convince is the lawyer who takes your money regardless of the outcome of the situation. I think you should just move on with your life.

 

[ultracet]

Here if you fail the same class twice then you are gone.

 

[mrgarlic]

This school kicked me out unfairly and i have all the proof. And, i am not letting them go free. I am really pissed off at them. I will embrass them and discredit them or they will apologize to me and pay my tuition fees. Should i let them go free?

Were you accused of something that you did not do (cheating, stealing CS, having an affair with your instructor etc)? I have a feeling that it was something other than a dismissal due to flunking too many classes.

 

[phar]

Were you accused of something that you did not do (cheating, stealing CS, having an affair with your instructor etc)? I have a feeling that it was something other than a dismissal due to flunking too many classes.

None...........

 

[Caverject]

None...........

Sounds like a classic case of "It's all the school's fault"

 

[dgroulx]

We have a 4 D rule. As soon as you've made your 4th D, you are out. One F and you are out. You may petition the school to stay in the program, and they do let a fair number stay in, but not all. If you are allowed to stay, you must retake all classes in which you received less than a C. Also, if you ever receive any grade less than a C from that point forward, you are kicked out for good. There is also a policy that states you must keep a 2.0 GPA. So, even if you haven't made 4 D's yet, you can still be in trouble.

So, if you failed a class one time, you can get kicked out of the program and they don't have to let you back in. It's their decision. If you write a crappy petition, you will be gone.

 

[dqkt]

he might have been caught downloading porn with his pants down, literally. I would be embarrassed to reveal that on sdn.That would be good enough to kick him out using the "moral" clause of the handbook.

 

[tkim]

I'm closing this thread.

To the OP: I am truly sorry for what happened to you, but your time and energy would be better spent working with the school to explore your options. I wish you all the luck.