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StudentDentist said:
Very few people would put themselves in harm's way. They may want to help others, but they'd rather live.
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I said they might return to the hood, and at least there's a greater chance of that than for someone who didn't come from there.

Also, first of all, if they are from the hood, then they know the area and how to be safe. Second of all, they probably work there during the day time, and don't live there. My family doctor's practice is in the hood, and I shadowed him and didn't ever feel like my life was in danger... He lives in a massive house in the suburbs, but does all he can to help the disadvantaged.
 
alanan84 said:
That is such a ridiculous post. I know an oral surgeon that grew up in the "hood", went to school, and know is back in the "hood" practicing and treating many of the people that she grew up with.
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That's exactly what I'm talking about.
 
People work where they wish to.

Its up to the person, these are very generalized statements that are being made about how someone raised in the "hood"(I mean this is a generalization right here) will work there and someone raised in another enviornment wont want to help others out. These statements are crazy.

I want to hear more of that one guy how racial genes are for "smartness" or "ability".... 🙂
 
StudentDentist said:
What menial educational resources are you referring to? As if the economically disadvantaged truely have fewer resources. Public high schools are free, and everybody goes to the same school. Public libraries are free, and if you've ever been inside one (even those in the inner city) there's free internet access, lots of career books, standardized exam books for every profession known to man, free DVD rental, books on tape, and close to every single book short of the Library of Congress. Go to a university library and you'll see nothing like this.

The argument that the poor have fewer resouces is largely unsupported. The public system has more resources than those rich private institutions. The difference is that the floors aren't made of marble.
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The word "menial" I admitt was probably a bad choice of adjective on my part. However, while it is true that there are a plethora of public service offerings such as libraries, schools etc...., what it comes down to is the choices of the individual. Education is what you make of it. Now, I'm not going to say where I came from, but there was a huge difference between public and the bigger suburban districts........not only in resources (old vs new textbooks, teachers, state-testing and passing percentages etc..) but difference in attitude toward education. Yeah obviously you can say "there are always resources around.......they could use this......could use that".....but think about it, are there really?? Are they being utilized? And if not, then why not.......social causes? Other responsibilties? It's tough for anyone to take out loans for D-school....even tougher for people that need to work extra jobs just to support a family. And the bottom line of all this.........................race should not matter, as whites and asians can be of these circumstances, which is the point of the original argument.
 
StudentDentist said:
What menial educational resources are you referring to? As if the economically disadvantaged truely have fewer resources. Public high schools are free, and everybody goes to the same school. Public libraries are free, and if you've ever been inside one (even those in the inner city) there's free internet access, lots of career books, standardized exam books for every profession known to man, free DVD rental, books on tape, and close to every single book short of the Library of Congress. Go to a university library and you'll see nothing like this.

The argument that the poor have fewer resouces is largely unsupported. The public system has more resources than those rich private institutions. The difference is that the floors aren't made of marble.
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Obviously, you did not go to one of these public schools you claim to know so much about. Also, thanks for pointing out that public high schools are free, what a revelation. Here are some thoughts as to why those which are economically disadvantaged may have fewer resources, including worse educations:

1) Public schools in the inner city do not receive sufficient funding to have computers, buy new textbooks often, or have small teacher-student ratios.
2) Unfortunately, most of the good high school teachers (and there aren’t many), teach at schools that are in safe neighborhoods or close to where they live.
3) Many students in disadvantaged communities have part-time or full-time jobs to help support their family, leaving little time for studying.
4) It is more likely that these students live in single-parent homes, resulting in lots of unsupervised time at home.
5) The poorer students do not have a means of transportation readily available to them, meaning it would be difficult to go to the public library for educational purposes, or anywhere for that matter.
6) Many of these students are constantly surrounded by serious issues you could not relate to - violence, drug problems, rape, etc...

Since I have work to do, I’ll cut this list short, but there are several reasons why the economically disadvantaged have less resources. Please refrain from making generalizations about poor people based on the uglier suburban neighborhoods you’re calling "the hood." It’s absurd to think people living below the poverty line have just as good a chance of being educated as yourself. Just because you’ve watched cops and listened to rap doesn’t make you an expert on the "hood." Why don’t you go spend a few days in an underperforming school in the inner city before you make any more ignorant comments?
 
StudentDentist said:
What menial educational resources are you referring to? As if the economically disadvantaged truely have fewer resources. Public high schools are free, and everybody goes to the same school. Public libraries are free, and if you've ever been inside one (even those in the inner city) there's free internet access, lots of career books, standardized exam books for every profession known to man, free DVD rental, books on tape, and close to every single book short of the Library of Congress. Go to a university library and you'll see nothing like this.

The argument that the poor have fewer resouces is largely unsupported. The public system has more resources than those rich private institutions. The difference is that the floors aren't made of marble.
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I don't know where you are from or what kind of circumstances you had growing up, but if you truly believe that those things are true, it shows that you have much to learn. If you only really knew what types of conditions existed, you would not make such comments. You need a dose of reality...
 
I-Baby said:
I don't know where you are from or what kind of circumstances you had growing up, but if you truly believe that those things are true, it shows that you have much to learn. If you only really knew what types of conditions existed, you would not make such comments. You need a dose of reality...
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Yeah, you don't think like they do so obviously you have tons to learn. 🙄
 
TheGreenWave said:
Obviously, you did not go to one of these public schools you claim to know so much about. Also, thanks for pointing out that public high schools are free, what a revelation.
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If only it were meant to be a revelation. It's more to tie in the dots so that readers understand the argument. Poor people can afford free, and the free resources are pretty dang good.

TheGreenWave said:
Here are some thoughts as to why those which are economically disadvantaged may have fewer resources, including worse educations:
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TheGreenWave said:

1) Public schools in the inner city do not receive sufficient funding to have computers, buy new textbooks often, or have small teacher-student ratios.
2) Unfortunately, most of the good high school teachers (and there aren't many), teach at schools that are in safe neighborhoods or close to where they live.
3) Many students in disadvantaged communities have part-time or full-time jobs to help support their family, leaving little time for studying.
4) It is more likely that these students live in single-parent homes, resulting in lots of unsupervised time at home.
5) The poorer students do not have a means of transportation readily available to them, meaning it would be difficult to go to the public library for educational purposes, or anywhere for that matter.
6) Many of these students are constantly surrounded by serious issues you could not relate to - violence, drug problems, rape, etc...

Since I have work to do, I'll cut this list short, but there are several reasons why the economically disadvantaged have less resources. Please refrain from making generalizations about poor people based on the uglier suburban neighborhoods you're calling "the hood." It's absurd to think people living below the poverty line have just as good a chance of being educated as yourself. Just because you've watched cops and listened to rap doesn't make you an expert on the "hood." Why don't you go spend a few days in an underperforming school in the inner city before you make any more ignorant comments?
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I did go to one of these schools, and lots of people came out okay. Those that didn't...didn't quite pay attention in class. Now they're complaining about lack of resources.

1) Computers barely existed when I went to high school. The internet was as nascent as you'll get. Noone needed computers to learn. Do you need new textbooks to learn? Is learning only possible when the pages are crispy new? Give me a 20 year old textbook, and I'll do just fine as long as the material is correct. Ever been in the NYU or Columbia library?...many, many books from the 70's. And oh, at the high school level, nothing you learn is really cutting edge.
2) Few of my teachers were good. Many were kinda miserable. Yet, it's not hard to do well, because everything's graded on some kind of a curve.
3) Yea my friends worked a lot. They also didn't study when they had the chance.
4) Responsibility is kinda a big deal.
5) Ever been to the public library? It's full of broke people.
6) All that existed in my class.

Is Brooklyn good enough a reference? Or must I live in Harlem?
 
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alanan84 said:
That is such a ridiculous post. I know an oral surgeon that grew up in the "hood", went to school, and know is back in the "hood" practicing and treating many of the people that she grew up with.
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Yea, so what? Name a city in America and I can google a dentist that works there. The existence of a few examples doesn't say much about the overwhelming trend. The overwhelming trend is a maldistribution towards richer cities.
 
Someone on here mentioned this once....the only resource you need is a textbook. That's actually the only thing I had for every class in high school. If the teacher was good, I didn't have to read the textbook. If not, then it's an hour of reading. Everything else is just embellishment...computers, internet, etc.

The distinguishing characteristic is whether that student put forth effort to learn.
 
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Did anyone use the internet for anything in high school??

I mean sure I had it and everyone did but we never ever ever used it for school. It was only entertainment. High School was useless, textbook was all we used and it was a very wealthy area. No computers in classes, no need to look up materials online, absolutly nothing like that. The teachers like any school vary from class to class.

After all that said our classes were highly structured. Teachers never had to get upset that the class was being rowdy or anything. Having well disiplined peers probably had the largest impact on my education overall. I could sit in class and it was not loud or rowdy at all. Still all we used was textbooks but classroom management was amazing.
 
Andrew324 said:
Did anyone use the internet for anything in high school??

I mean sure I had it and everyone did but we never ever ever used it for school. It was only entertainment. High School was useless, textbook was all we used and it was a very wealthy area. No computers in classes, no need to look up materials online, absolutly nothing like that. The teachers like any school vary from class to class.

After all that said our classes were highly structured. Teachers never had to get upset that the class was being rowdy or anything. Having well disiplined peers probably had the largest impact on my education overall. I could sit in class and it was not loud or rowdy at all. Still all we used was textbooks but classroom management was amazing.
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Computers give the appearence of resources. It's a bragging right more than anything else. When it comes down to it, the teachers use the chalkboard and their teacher's edition textbook to create lectures. Why create a lecture when one's already done for you? Computers were for projects mostly.

Teachers were under fire in the media for mediocre student performance. Their response was, how could we do the best job when we don't have the resources like computers to teach? Look at these textbooks. They're old [but contain all the information to learn from]!
 
somethinpositiv said:
I agree with the concept of Affirmative Action, but not how it is measured. AA should be based on Socio-Economic Status and not race/ethnicity. Using this method, a vast majority of people that would be helped would be URMs, especially blacks and hispanics. However, poor whites and poor asians would be helped as well, and well-off blacks and hispanics would not be helped, only the ones that are of a lower socio-economic status would be helped. THAT is leveling the playing field..

But that's neither here nor there.
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EXACTLY! I want to say the same thing every single time I see an affirmative action post, but I've always been a little intimated of jumping into the fray. But you are 100% on target with this comment.
 
StudentDentist said:
Yea, so what? Name a city in America and I can google a dentist that works there. The existence of a few examples doesn't say much about the overwhelming trend. The overwhelming trend is a maldistribution towards richer cities.
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You're making my point! Many dentists don't practice in low income areas because they didn't come from there. Just take Texas for example. As you go south and closer to the border, you tend to see an increase in the amount of hispanics and lower income areas. And just as you say, a kid that grew up in Highland Park (rich area of Dallas) is not going to get out of school and go start a practice on the border. But you know what? Someone FROM that area is VERY likely to go back where they badly need dental care. So unless you want to volunteer to go practice in Laredo Texas (which unless you speak spanish, that's probably a horrible move) people from from those areas will be accepted.
 
alanan84 said:
That is such a ridiculous post. I know an oral surgeon that grew up in the "hood", went to school, and know is back in the "hood" practicing and treating many of the people that she grew up with.
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That is few and far between, what educated professional wants to live with a bunch of animalistic crooks and thugs, in constant fear of being mugged or worse. Most professionals that I know have left their respective communities to live in a more civilized society and dont practice in their old zip code
 
klutzy1987 said:
That is few and far between, what educated professional wants to live with a bunch of animalistic crooks and thugs, in constant fear of being mugged or worse. Most professionals that I know have left their respective communities to live in a more civilized society and dont practice in their old zip code
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Statistical evidence does not support that.
 
From this site: http://www.jdentaled.org/cgi/content/full/68/10/1112

Recent reports continue to produce evidence supporting the need for the American Dental Education Association (ADEA) to continue its programmatic efforts to increase underrepresented minorities in the dental profession. Solomon et al.1 have, for example, documented the practice characteristics of black dentists in the state of Texas. This report found that black dentists treat a higher percentage of black patients and a higher percentage of economically disadvantaged patients. In addition, ADEA Senior Survey data for 20022 reported that black/African American students planned practice locations where the major portion of patients will be from inner-city or underserved populations in a higher percentage than that of white students: the percentage for black/African American students was 68.7 percent, while that of white students was 20 percent.

And...

ADEA’s long-held position is that, without minority practitioners, access to care will be limited or absent in minority communities throughout the nation.4 The dental practice data from both the ADA and ADEA support this position. In fact, the ADA Survey Report 20005 documented the practice characteristics of U.S. dentists: black patients are the only racial/ethnic group that are seen primarily by black dentists

Everything is cited at the bottom of the webpage.
 
alanan84 said:
From this site: http://www.jdentaled.org/cgi/content/full/68/10/1112

Recent reports continue to produce evidence supporting the need for the American Dental Education Association (ADEA) to continue its programmatic efforts to increase underrepresented minorities in the dental profession. Solomon et al.1 have, for example, documented the practice characteristics of black dentists in the state of Texas. This report found that black dentists treat a higher percentage of black patients and a higher percentage of economically disadvantaged patients. In addition, ADEA Senior Survey data for 20022 reported that black/African American students planned practice locations where the major portion of patients will be from inner-city or underserved populations in a higher percentage than that of white students: the percentage for black/African American students was 68.7 percent, while that of white students was 20 percent.

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ADEA’s long-held position is that, without minority practitioners, access to care will be limited or absent in minority communities throughout the nation.4 The dental practice data from both the ADA and ADEA support this position. In fact, the ADA Survey Report 20005 documented the practice characteristics of U.S. dentists: black patients are the only racial/ethnic group that are seen primarily by black dentists

Everything is cited at the bottom of the webpage.
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I read the entire web page, and if you read carefully, it says planned, sure they plan that when hey start school, but when the realize how horrible the area they grew up in is they dont wanna go near it.
 
klutzy1987 said:
I read the entire web page, and if you read carefully, it says planned, sure they plan that when hey start school, but when the realize how horrible the area they grew up in is they dont wanna go near it.
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Oh cmon klutzy. You and I both know that minorities are MORE likely to practice in the area they grew up in.
 
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alanan84 said:
Oh cmon klutzy. You and I both know that minorities are MORE likely to practice in the area they grew up in.
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Area perhaps, but not the hood. They will look for a higher quality of life. They dont fit into the hood. They may treat their old buddies from the hood but their practice will be in bayridge or midwood as opposed to brownsville or crown heights, if there is anyone here from New York they know what I am talking about.
 
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klutzy1987 said:
Area perhaps, but not the hood. They will look for a higher quality of life. They dont fit into the hood. They may treat their old buddies from the hood but their practice will be in bayridge or midwood as opposed to brownsville or crown heights, if there is anyone here New York they know what I am talking about.
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I don't know what to tell you man, I'm just trying to help people understand why certain minorities tend to get a little advantage because I've asked myself the same question. The reality is that without these people getting into dental school, areas like the border would be even MORE underserved. Unfortunately I've got other things to do at the moment and can't continue our lively discussion! 😉
 
StudentDentist, you make some valid points. And it seems perhaps you went to a school worse than most here on these forums, but probably not as bad as many students who aren’t on these forums. Brooklyn is a good reference I’m sure, though I’ll admit, I’ve never attended school there. I have a friend at Tulane who went to a public school in Brooklyn, and it seems he got a pretty good education. I’ve attended public schools in Miami and Houston - some great, some horrible. None of which compared to the public schools I worked at in New Orleans. I tutored/mentored students in middle school and many of them could not even read on a 2nd grade level - no exaggeration here. Trust me; the kids are not to blame. Unfortunately, there are many underlying social constructs which people tend to overlook (I’m sorry, but this includes you). Rampant government corruption means the students don’t receive the money intended to improve their schools. Teacher certification is questionable here, meaning lots of teachers are not sufficiently qualified to help these kids. Many students live in section 8 housing where murder, drug use, and gang activity are everyday parts of their lives. Nobody on here can relate to this I’m sure. If you would like, I could refute the points you made, but I have a feeling it would not change your stance. This is a good discussion and I hope it stays civil, because people could learn a lot.

One thing you may want to consider is empathy. You seem to lack any in respect to the poor. Poverty is an evil circle which is hard to escape, don’t be so quick to blame these people for their place in society.
 
this stereotyping being used as "explanation" by some of you is appalling!
 
klutzy1987 said:
That is few and far between, what educated professional wants to live with a bunch of animalistic crooks and thugs, in constant fear of being mugged or worse. Most professionals that I know have left their respective communities to live in a more civilized society and dont practice in their old zip code
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People in the hood are "animalistic crooks and thugs" and are not "civilized"?

Maybe they're just impoverished..
 
Of course, the arguments I made were largely applicable to high school students. Now, we're dealing with AA for grad school applications. This is different because we're now only dealing with those students who had enough resources to make it into college. Now they had the full resources of a university. What's the final verdict?...lower than average performance still. And it's not like anyone needs background in a certain area to do well, because the majority of college classes are in different topics we've never learned of before: Kantian philosophy, Jungian psychology, theater, Roman art...etc. Few people'll have background on this.

My argument remains the same. The primary determinant of whether a person does well is whether that person cares enough to put forth effort to learn. Availability of resources is secondary and is sometimes a deterring argument. It sounds intuitive that those with fewer resources would do worse, but the reality is that the available resources could be enough. All you need is a textbook, afterall.
 
somethinpositiv said:
People in the hood are "animalistic crooks and thugs" and are not "civilized"?

Maybe they're just impoverished..
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Have you been to harlem, Brownsville, Crown Heights, Newark. Those people there are scary and do not act like people. A rabid dog is more civilized and less dangerous.
 
klutzy1987 said:
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Have you been to harlem, Brownsville, Crown Heights, Newark. Those people there are scary and do not act like people. A rabid dog is more civilized and less dangerous.
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It's comments like that that get these threads closed... nice.
 
klutzy1987 said:
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Have you been to harlem, Brownsville, Crown Heights, Newark. Those people there are scary and do not act like people. A rabid dog is more civilized and less dangerous.
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I'm sure there are "those people" that come from those areas and end up getting into dental school, possibly school such as Howard and Meharry. But then you'll just say that "those people" were the exception, and don't have rabies.. yet.
 
klutzy1987 said:
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Im still here guys! Dr. James Watson Jr.. ! LoL

This statement is so appaling I cannot describe in words. This obviously tells us how un-attached you are to the urban world. These so called "thugs" are not "scary and do not act like people" they are simply misunderstood. A typical gang is a substitution for a real family. If you lived in this kind of neighborhood (or talked to some) you would understand this and realize that many of these people are looking for an outlet. Though this is another issue.



However! Going back to the so called racist comments. Observe these comments.. (DrJamesWatson)

“there are many people of colour who are very talented, but don’t promote them when they haven’t succeeded at the lower level”.
(Public School Urms typically)

“there is no firm reason to anticipate that the intellectual capacities of peoples geographically separated in their evolution should prove to have evolved identically. Our wanting to reserve equal powers of reason as some universal heritage of humanity will not be enough to make it so”.
(same resources, different abilities)

"He claimed genes responsible for creating differences in human intelligence could be found within a decade."

Now removing your bias, because many of you are genious on these forums. Remember how easy it was to study for classes, simply looking through the book and remembering key points.

Now remember the other poor souls who struggled intensely, begged for your help and no matter how much they tried to learned still didn't get it?

My question to you guys is...

Why is there such a discrepancy of learning between different races, when as many of you said before, we had the same education and resources? Is it lack of focus? (When I know personally many URMs who study non-stop but still "dont get it"? )What else can explain this? Even though James comments are rather harsh there is some truth in his statements.
 
Can someone please close this thread? 👎
Too racist for SDN. All these references aren't hiding what they actually mean.
 
doc3232 said:
Can someone please close this thread? 👎
Too racist for SDN. All these references aren't hiding what they actually mean.
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Race is the topic. Everything on here is completely expected, and it doesn't really go beyond what's acceptable. There's no real hiding what people really think. National academic performance indicators state what people really mean.
 
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doc3232 said:
Can someone please close this thread? 👎
Too racist for SDN. All these references aren't hiding what they actually mean.
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No one on here is being racist.. we are discussing race, affirmative action, and learning gaps. When one talks about affirmative action, race is the hot topic on everyones mind. I believe this thread is good because it allows people to view other people's opinions on race. Likewise, this country was founded on racism (First colonies and native savages). I dont understand why everyone is so "hush hush" on this sensitive topic.

Open up and learn something.
 
dennisDDS said:
No one on here is being racist.. we are discussing race, affirmative action, and learning gaps. When one talks about affirmative action, race is the hot topic on everyones mind. I believe this thread is good because it allows people to view other people's opinions on race. Likewise, this country was founded on racism (First colonies and native savages). I dont understand why everyone is so "hush hush" on this sensitive topic.

Open up and learn something.
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People have been taught to be politically correct in this society, and may be uncomfortable when faced with the harsh realities of racial inequity, and would prefer to be "hush hush" about it and pretend that it doesn't exist.

And as far as no one on here being racist.. I doubt that's true.. But this is the real world and some people are racist, and we need to face that. Even in your dental practice, race comes into play. I'm sure there are people who are more comfortable seeing dentists of the same race.

There may be black dentists who return to serve the hood, not only to help the underserved, but because they feel that is the environment which they would succeed, and may feel that they would fail in the suburbs due of latent racism. This is less true for us on SDN because we are college educated, but there are millions of white americans who would hesitate to see a minority dentist; sad but true.

This is a dialogue that we need to have.
 
dennisDDS said:
No one on here is being racist.. we are discussing race, affirmative action, and learning gaps. When one talks about affirmative action, race is the hot topic on everyones mind. I believe this thread is good because it allows people to view other people's opinions on race. Likewise, this country was founded on racism (First colonies and native savages). I dont understand why everyone is so "hush hush" on this sensitive topic.

Open up and learn something.
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I am assuming you haven't really understood this thread despite you keep posting on it.

"native savages?" That isn't racist at all.
 
doc3232 said:
I am assuming you haven't really understood this thread despite you keep posting on it.

"native savages?" That isn't racist at all.
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WoW. Did you even read my post?
Do YOU even know what we are talking about?
 
doc3232 said:
I am assuming you haven't really understood this thread despite you keep posting on it.

"native savages?" That isn't racist at all.
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It's not really racist, because it's not referring to URM's. It's referring to people in the ghetto parts of town. People tend to associate that area with shady people, drug dealing, and high rates of violence. Thus, they don't feel safe. It's more a comment about the bad parts of town, and less the minorities that may make up that area.
 
alanan84 said:
It's comments like that that get these threads closed... nice.
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I could be I am a little biased on this topic lol, i have a couple of friends who were beaten and mugged in three of these neighbourhoods. I am just very scared of going near those places and i despise the habitants of those areas as well. Maybe it is just me, but poverty is not an excuse for what happens there.
 
I am not an URM but would love to work in places like the "hood" or overseas... I hate how because I am not an URM, I can't get into Meharry and because I have a low bio score I can't get into any other school either...Either way I look at it, I am screwed...I know several people who went to Meharry and moved out of TN after graduating so I do not know why the school thinks that they should accept mostly URMs because they will stay and give back upon graduating because they don't...I hate how it is based on race anyway...
 
klutzy1987 said:
I could be I am a little biased on this topic lol, i have a couple of friends who were beaten and mugged in three of these neighbourhoods. I am just very scared of going near those places and i despise the habitants of those areas as well. Maybe it is just me, but poverty is not an excuse for what happens there.
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klutzy you have been very vocal on this topic. As a Jew you above all those other people should know what it feels like to be oppressed. Then again, a Jew can be a Jew when things are good and when things are bad they can be "WHITE". I am always amazed to see a group of people who went through such oppression and descrimination (less then 100 years ago act that way!!) you guys should be the best supporters of AA. Your success in society today is greatly due to all the educational opportunity you had created for yourselves (wich i greatly applaud) -- but most URM (specially blacks) never had that chance (remember slavery??).

Acceptance to Dental school is the only chance that they have to make it out, the only break that they've received all their lives. Most URM going into dental school are first generation high school graduates!!!! so be happy when you hear an URM get into dental school. URM are not taking your spots in dental school. if it wasnt for Howard or Meharry -- only 25 blacks would have been in dental school last year!! now who would serve their community?? I also hope that every one know that not all blacks (other URM included)were raised like the Cosby -- in fact less than 5% were. And I am sure not all White (Asians included) were raised like the Cosby but im sure more than 75% were. For those who keeps disclaiming the effects of slavery just a reminder -- slavery was here just around 100 years ago.. and segregation less than 50 years ago.

Klutzy you must be from bedstuy -- right around where JAY Z grew up in marcy project!!.. I am sure there is no dentist there, but AA hope that if they can accept 1 dude from Marcy maybe he'll go back there one day and inspire another kid to do the same- because AA know YOU would never go there! and your reasons may be justified but you dont know what poverty is so you cannot say that poverty can't cause people to act a certain way!! I would never wish poverty onto you -- but ask your grand parents whom im sure lived the days of the World war and they could tell you all about it. FYI -- I am not a URM just a fellow who understand the point of AA
 
boomspeedometer said:
klutzy you have been very vocal on this topic. As a Jew you above all those other people should know what it feels like to be oppressed. Then again, a Jew can be a Jew when things are good and when things are bad they can be "WHITE". I am always amazed to see a group of people who went through such oppression and descrimination (less then 100 years ago act that way!!) you guys should be the best supporters of AA. Your success in society today is greatly due to all the educational opportunity you had created for yourselves (wich i greatly applaud) -- but most URM (specially blacks) never had that chance (remember slavery??).

Acceptance to Dental school is the only chance that they have to make it out, the only break that they've received all their lives. Most URM going into dental school are first generation high school graduates!!!! so be happy when you hear an URM get into dental school. URM are not taking your spots in dental school. if it wasnt for Howard or Meharry -- only 25 blacks would have been in dental school last year!! now who would serve their community?? I also hope that every one know that not all blacks (other URM included)were raised like the Cosby -- in fact less than 5% were. And I am sure not all White (Asians included) were raised like the Cosby but im sure more than 75% were. For those who keeps disclaiming the effects of slavery just a reminder -- slavery was here just around 100 years ago.. and segregation less than 50 years ago.

Klutzy you must be from bedstuy -- right around where JAY Z grew up in marcy project!!.. I am sure there is no dentist there, but AA hope that if they can accept 1 dude from Marcy maybe he'll go back there one day and inspire another kid to do the same- because AA know YOU would never go there! and your reasons may be justified but you dont know what poverty is so you cannot say that poverty can't cause people to act a certain way!! I would never wish poverty onto you -- but ask your grand parents whom im sure lived the days of the World war and they could tell you all about it. FYI -- I am not a URM just a fellow who understand the point of AA
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WTF are you talking about??? You lost me after the first line.
 
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