You may match way better and actually become a practicing physician but you will still be a lowly DO LOL, go to SGU for that MD and 300,000 in debt with no way to pay it back. But hey you will be an MD and maybe you can work at SGU as a professor and breed another generation of these amazing "MD's". I have a heard a bunch of SGU faculty are non-practicing MD's.. hmm I wonder why
Dude your negativity is off the charts. If you can make US MD do it, if you can make US DO go for it, if you choose to go to SGU etc and are a hard worker and can afford it do it. If you are meant to be a doctor you will be. Congrats on people matching into super competitive specialties doesn't make you a better physician or person. I know a family care Doc who makes a huge difference in his pts lives. He's a smart businessman and makes well above some of the top specialties. Don't worry though future doc I'm sure you will match well with your awesome inspirational personality .
This has nothing to do with prestige or the specialty, it has everything do with dissuading people on this site and everywhere from going carib, its just too much of a risk to take with the endless school expansion, if you can't make it to a USMD or USDO school you should honestly reconsider the career, the Caribbean is a terrible option and many many people have been burned trying to go that route, i suspect this will become the norm in the next 5-10 years as the competition gets stiffer. There are many carib grads who passed all their classes, passed their boards and still failed to match family med and are now $300,000 in debt, I am just letting everyone considering the Carib know the reality of the situation instead of letting them believe in fantasies.
Look at some schools in the US average student indebtedness. I agree this should not be a first choice but if you're going to say that someone who cannot be successful going that route your wrong. So advising people hey be aware x, y, z could happen is different then just bashing people. Who are you to say that if this is there only option that this is wrong for them? You don't know them, their drive, or there future.
It's all about the probability of you failing is way too high going to Carib school compared to that of US med schools, while both cost about the same.
Lowly DO who has the power to be the current ACGME chair head; lowly DO who has the power to be surgeon general of our military; lowly DO who holds professorship in Yale. It is a degree, not a person's identity. A Caribbean MD does not give you the excuse to predate on people who have statistically performed better than you throughout their academic lives. While you feel like you will be an equal to American MDs with a Caribbean MD, just so you know you never will be equal to them and DOs do not have to prove their equivalency to the MDs b/c it is a separate degree. The reason why the MD comparison comes so we can clarify what the difference between traditional medicine and osteopathic medicine is to show why DO is a Western medical degree. I can give one less crap about what MDs do. I would be a medical doctor regardless. Caribbean MDs have this tendency to down talk DOs while from the bottom of their heart they should know that in no way are they more qualified than a DO even though the open-hearted DOs will be the ones who will speak for your equivalency.
Hahaha bruh chill I was being CLEARLY sarcastic, I am an OMS 2 currently and have absolutely nothing against the DO degree obviously.
Sarcasm doesn't travel well over the electrons. I did get it though.
www.sgu.edu
Hahaha Manti Teo????Just the fact that the Carib schools don't release their own statistics, and throws BS numbers around should be reason enough to keep you from taking these schools seriously. They claim the US-DO merger will help Carib schools OVER DO students, but for some reason there is NO statistic from them that backs up their claim. 🤔 In fact, all OTHER statistics point otherwise.
DO-MD Merger: What It Means for Students
The upcoming DO-MD merger is leaving many medical students with questions. Here's a closer look at the change and what to expect.
2020 DO & MD Merger: Impact on Caribbean Med Students
The 2020 DO & MD residency merge brings some significant benefits to our Caribbean med student graduates. Find out how this merge improves match rates.www.trinityschoolofmedicine.org
Funny how they don't show their own internal numbers... interesting...
It's like my "Canadian girlfriend" I had in high school who I saw every summer, but for some reason could not show any pictures or texts from because "she's shy." Something's fishy.
I work with MD, DO from all over the world. And you will learn once you match your all equal. No one looks or questions where you graduated
No one is denying this it’s about the graduating and getting a residency part we are mainly talking about.
Yeah, but the schools are predatory and make it way too hard to graduate. DOs and Caribs both face bias in the match but at most programs both parties are lumped into the same category in a best case scenario. Worst case (more common) scenario is that DOs are preferred over Caribbean grads. Not worth moving to a different country for most people.
Yea the latter is much more common, I often see many programs that have a few DO’s and no IMG’s, the IMG bias is way more real then the DO bias.
I agree but I think the advantage DOs have over IMGs in the match is over-stated on SDN. There are programs that prefer IMGs over DOs. While a particular program may want one over the other, a lot just look at your app and see what else there is to forgive your lack of pedigree.
You could be right, but I have heard that IMG's have to apply to many many more programs in the match then USMD and DO applicants, also the programs you are saying that take IMG's over DO are most definitely the "IMG sweatshops" in places like NY where no DO or USMD would want to train, even most low tier University or community programs in any specialty would take DO over IMG, possibly even DO's with lower board scores, and then there's the now former DO programs that will obviously prefer DO over IMG, I think IMG's overall have a tougher go at it.
That’s the textbook definition of IMG sweatshop, I assume your a USDO or MD, and these programs must be thrilled that you even bothered to apply to them.
This is true. I personally know of an IM program where PD is an IMG and exclusively accepts IMG applicants, mostly from their own country. No DOs in the program. Not a perfectly fine program as my son has rotated through it. Another example of maintaining poor clinical sites despite poor reviews by students. This happens in both MD and DO schools.
Maybe so, but can we at least stop humoring it on SDN? It's been done to death
The issue is every year there are those that are less informed than us, so it will be a perpetual cycle of discussion
Send them all the pix of ur fake smile holding a glass of wine and find out which is better
All the data is a conspiracy! Only my anecdotes are factual!
This can't be real.. "massive number of residency options LOL" I have heard of multiple bottom barrel former AOA FM and IM programs that won't interview FMG/IMG.... this dude must be one one
Massive number of residency options...in PM, Path, Psych, Peds, and IM...just like, wait for it, DOs! Except the iMGs are much more likely to end up in a sweatshop or malignant program.
The Step one exam is now Pass/Fail. This may change where you would like to go.
I wonder what Center of Excellence matched him?😉
He trained at Henry Ford Hospital in Detroit. Also, he went to St Matthew's University in Belize, and he's preaching people to go to the big 4 lol.
Detroit? So he continued to train in a 3rd world country!
