Do you think people actually read the TOS when they create an account?
The premed subreddit has a very good stickied post on why the Carribean schools can be sketchy. I’d read it if you haven’t yet. As for “SGU having a 93% match”, think to yourself (or better read the subreddit post and do better research) how many students SGU failed out before even getting a chance to apply to match. Compare that to the attrition rate at the newest DO school (most US schools have very few fail out of their class while carribean schools have up to a 50% attrition rate...which they don’t post). AAMC and AACOMAS have very transparent data on their sites regarding every school’s enrollment numbers year by year and a ton of other very useful numbers/data.
Is avg DO match rate really that low? Anyone knows which school contributed the most to such a bad match rate?
Honestly, be skeptical of most numbers presented by most schools. They will not exactly be the truth depending on how they spin it. DO schools tend to stretch the truth slightly but I wouldn't be surprised if Caribbean schools really are stretching the truth.
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Nevermind I misread your comment, plus I quoted it b4 you added the chunk.
An unemployable Caribbean MD is not very prestigious
A doctor read your comment and disagreed with the basic point
I'd read this post by @hallowmann to understand the DO match rate:
DO Match Rate 2019
A few things: -Here are the 2016-2018 threads for reference - DO match rate 2016, DO match rate 2017, DO match rate 2018 -These numbers are all based on published reports. Reports sometimes have errors. Either way, hopefully this is useful. -This says nothing about the type of GME attained. Some...
I think the 80% match rate you guys are referring to is only for the NRMP match, but DO still had the AOA match rate as well last year. On top of that there's also the military match. Overall I think the match rate for DOs was well over 93%, and the DO placement rate was 98%. We will know the true NRMP match rate for DOs this year since this is the year we finally have a complete residency merger between ACGME and AOA with only one match system.
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But what about those juicy initials you can get at the end of your name if you just risk going to the Caribbean??
Rule of Acquisition #109: Dignity and an empty sack is worth the sack.
I'd rather have the pile of jokes I have developed about the initials at the end of my name
Especially when this topic has become a weekly post
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Lol no US DO school match rate is 80%. Try upwards of 98%.
Match rate is 80%. Placement is 98%. Different things but both result in a job come July 1. The absolutely only thing Caribbean would be bragging about is 95% of people allowed to end the match. Not the fraction of people that started M1
Match rate is way more than 80% including all the different match systems. I believe @hallowmann calculations put it somewhere between 88-95%. And yes, placement (not match) rate is 98%.
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I'd read this post by @hallowmann to understand the DO match rate:
DO Match Rate 2019
A few things: -Here are the 2016-2018 threads for reference - DO match rate 2016, DO match rate 2017, DO match rate 2018 -These numbers are all based on published reports. Reports sometimes have errors. Either way, hopefully this is useful. -This says nothing about the type of GME attained. Some...
I think the 80% match rate you guys are referring to is only for the NRMP match, but DO still had the AOA match rate as well last year. On top of that there's also the military match. Overall I think the match rate for DOs was well over 93%, and the DO placement rate was 98%. We will know the true NRMP match rate for DOs this year since this is the year we finally have a complete residency merger between ACGME and AOA with only one match system.
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Yup, details can be found in the thread below. The rate is somewhere in the 85-95% range for this past year, and most likely has been something like 87-89% for the last 4 yrs at least.
DO Match Rate 2019
A few things: -Here are the 2016-2018 threads for reference - DO match rate 2016, DO match rate 2017, DO match rate 2018 -These numbers are all based on published reports. Reports sometimes have errors. Either way, hopefully this is useful. -This says nothing about the type of GME attained. Some...
OK, so I actually read this thread for the first time, so let me get up to speed:
To be honest, I was in your same shoes for a brief period of time, because I didn't know much about the DO degree. I quickly learned that the choice is obvious.
If your goal is practice medicine in the US, you need to go to medical school here. The facts have already been presented, so I won't rehash all of them, just fill in some gaps. Your chances of finishing medical school let alone placing in a residency from a Carib school (even the best Carib school) is on the order of 65%, if not lower. You'll also spend more for an even harder time attaining a residency, and there is a very large group of people that graduate from schools like SGU with no residency, and they literally work in fast food or jobs completely outside of medicine. If you search for those stories, you'll find them easily.
Even if you want to work abroad, going Carib is the wrong choice. I assumed initially, again until I actually researched it, that an MD degree is an MD degree, but the truth is most countries, including the US, view the Carib MD degree as generally much lower than other degrees. When I actually compared head-to-head the number of countries that were willing to license US DOs compared to MD from SGU, more countries still recognized the US DO degree, and that number is only increasing.
As far as how you'll be viewed, most people won't care. The less you care, the less you'll notice it. I'm pretty happy with my degree, and honestly the only times patients bring it up is when they comment on how much they love their DO PCP or how their daughter is in DO school now.
You've already been told, but that information is false. SGU at best can claim a placement rate somewhere in the 75-80% range. That completely ignores the 20-25%+ of people that are kicked out from each class.
To clarify some numbers, they actually accept on the order of 1800-2000 per academic year (spread across the semesters), so the first 5 terms have far more students than the 3rd and 4th year, but they are weeded out. Can you imagine dropping on the order of $90k/yr tuition alone (SGU's actual cost, but they divide it into weird length "terms" to make it seem like less - first 2 yrs tuition is >$180k and the whole 4 years is >$330k in tuition alone) only to be kicked out before you're even allowed to sit for USMLE Step 1? Plenty of SGU students experience that.
DO, even a brand new DO school, is a far safer bet than any Carib school. Average attrition at DO schools is ~7-8%, some with as little at 3-4% and others (the biggest offenders) closer to 12%. They all pale in comparison to even the best Carib MD school, which is at least double or triple that.
As far as the DO match rate on the NRMP report, that match rate include DO graduates, which generally bring down the match rate. To give you an idea, the US MD senior NRMP match rate is on the order of 93-95%, but if you incorporate US MD graduates, it pulls the average down to 90-91%. The true DO match rate is in the high 80s, with placement in the high 90s (i.e. similar to US MD senior placement rates). You can get more info in my thread about the DO match rate in 2019 (and links to the 2016-2018 threads as well).
See above. The match rate reported by the NRMP match report is actually flawed in that it incorporates the DO graduate match rate with the DO senior match rate. Its all explained in my thread that you quoted.
NO, If you can make it to match day in the Caribbean, you're more likely to match into primary care programs at undesired locations and/or IMG malignant sweatshops. At least with DO you can also match some programs outside of primary care, and primary care programs in better locations.
No. What’s better about it?
