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Starting 2022 the venerable step 1 will no longer be reported as a 3 digit numerical score.
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Home | United States Medical Licensing Examination
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Starting 2022 the venerable step 1 will no longer be reported as a 3 digit numerical score.
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Step 2 CK will just become all that more important...along with various other traits that have nothing to do with ability or achievements.
I’d rather medical students who perform better on CK than Step 1 anyways (better barometer of actual clinical knowledge) so I don’t hate the P/F nature of step 1 but totally agreed that this will just push the arms race to CK instead of Step 1.
What would your prediction be re: PDs changing how they interview/rank applicants prior to step 1 going p/f? No changes?Silly move IMO, in an effort to compromise between the "boards are too stressful" and "boards are necessary to stratify students", they basically tried to take a middle ground, but ultimately I think this is worse than either situation. Either move to an all P/F system for all the boards, and just de-value boards altogether, or keep it the same. Doing this makes no sense. It won't decrease stress, now all the stress moves to a single chance exam with no second chance. And you will have to have that exam done by summer of the end of 3rd year so results are back by Sept, or you will get no interviews in many fields. This decision just makes no sense to me.
The one nice thing about this change though is, I'd imagine no one will expect DO's to take USMLE step 1 now. They will likely just be fine taking comlex 1/2, followed by USMLE step 2. Will also be interesting to see if the AOA changes the comlex score reporting now as a followup to this.
Another thing I can't wait to see how it pans out about this is 4th year rotations. How will any field decide who to let rotate? There will be no Step2 score by the time AIs are applied for. So many programs have board cutoffs for rotation. So now you can have people getting AIs at places or in fields that won't even rank them once they get their test back. Have a Step 2 score of 235 come back after you've done several Ortho AIs. What do you do now, too late to change course and do something like EM where you need SLOEs.
The unintended consequences of this decision will be fascinating to watch.
What would your prediction be re: PDs changing how they interview/rank applicants prior to step 1 going p/f? No changes?
STEP1 is supposed to be the tool by which to objectively evaluate academic horsepower. CK just doesn't do it like STEP1 does.
Guaranteed this will lead to Jenny McJennysons trying to parlay themselves as equivalent even more.
Who is the bonehead that got paid millions of dollars to come up with this new change??? I would inundate USMLE with calls and emails that this is a silly change. It waters down the medical process. It doesn’t benefit anyone other than the Millennial Med student who can’t have mommy and daddy buy him a good score!!!
Just my 2 cents
nope it doesn’t do this at all. Step 1 is just a knowledge test it isn’t the MCAT.
Just make SLOEs for all rotations now.
So does this change any advice you all would give to an incoming M1 interested in emergency medicine? I’m starting at my state school this year. I’m a non traditional student (not sure how much that matters). EM was by far my favorite specialty to shadow and I look forward to learning more. I plan on joining my school’s specialty interest group and know I need to focus on my grades. Does step 1 moving to pass/fail change any advice anyone has? Thank you!
@RustedFox - thank you for your honesty.Yeah.
Don't go into EM.
Go do something else.
This is a good thing. Now they need to reduce the preclinical curriculum and add more clinical time. You could probably swap six months of ms1/2 into ms3. This would allow more exposure to various specialties and plenty of time to do well on step 2 ck.
@RustedFox - thank you for your honesty.
@RustedFox - no problem. And I honestly do mean thank you. I am early in this process and always appreciate any advice or the opinions of others that are further along in their career than I. Plus I get a kick out of your stories.
I am inclined to agree with you that the pre-clinical curriculum could be trimmed.
Where to trim it ?
I'll speculum (speculate).
I can be wrong.
We could trim biochemistry altogether. You REALLY should have this in-hand by the time you get accepted. Should be a pre-requisite, really.
We could trim a bit of immunology. Nobody really needs to painfully memorize the complement cascade to work clinically.
We could trim some of genetics. The diseases are interesting, but I've yet to encounter a case of Oldsmobile-Jaegermeister disease in my career, and probably never will. And I sure as hell don't need to memorize WHICH chromosome it's located on.
Would anyone else that has been feeling extremely jaded lately like to discourage us from their specialty?
You trim all the BS clinical hippy crap that nobody cares about during pre step 1 time. You can learn all that stuff on the wards.I am inclined to agree with you that the pre-clinical curriculum could be trimmed.
Where to trim it ?
I'll speculum (speculate).
I can be wrong.
We could trim biochemistry altogether. You REALLY should have this in-hand by the time you get accepted. Should be a pre-requisite, really.
We could trim a bit of immunology. Nobody really needs to painfully memorize the complement cascade to work clinically.
We could trim some of genetics. The diseases are interesting, but I've yet to encounter a case of Oldsmobile-Jaegermeister disease in my career, and probably never will. And I sure as hell don't need to memorize WHICH chromosome it's located on.
You trim all the BS clinical hippy crap that nobody cares about during pre step 1 time. You can learn all that stuff on the wards.
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You trim all the BS clinical hippy crap that nobody cares about during pre step 1 time. You can learn all that stuff on the wards.
Agree with biochemistry as well. There is absolutely no reason to memorize the Krebs cycle or glycolysis in 2020.
Dude - we went to the same med school. Immuno and genetics were already trim. What were they - 1 credit each? Or was immuno 2? I don't know what could be cut out, that would leave anything left!I am inclined to agree with you that the pre-clinical curriculum could be trimmed.
Where to trim it ?
I'll speculum (speculate).
I can be wrong.
We could trim biochemistry altogether. You REALLY should have this in-hand by the time you get accepted. Should be a pre-requisite, really.
We could trim a bit of immunology. Nobody really needs to painfully memorize the complement cascade to work clinically.
We could trim some of genetics. The diseases are interesting, but I've yet to encounter a case of Oldsmobile-Jaegermeister disease in my career, and probably never will. And I sure as hell don't need to memorize WHICH chromosome it's located on.
Dude - we went to the same med school. Immuno and genetics were already trim. What were they - 1 credit each? Or was immuno 2? I don't know what could be cut out, that would leave anything left!
Gotta be honest that **** made me laugh.
Can you elaborate on why you think this new change is a good idea outside of the "poorly written allegory" format?Once there was a blacksmith who made hammers. The townsfolk really needed more advanced tools like open end wrenches, sockets, and impact drivers, but this blacksmith only knew how to make hammers. So the townsfolk tried to get by with the hammers. They had a bunch of nuts they were trying to screw so they smashed them with the hammers. Some split apart, some skipped threads but were eventually secured, and every once in a while the hammer hit the nut just right that it spun perfectly and was snug. The townsfolk developed a system for using the hammers most efficiently and got very comfortable using the hammers to screw the nuts, but it was crude. When the blacksmith realized what the townsfolk were doing with the hammers, he told them, “Hey, that’s not really what hammers are for. Let’s just use them for nails.” The townsfolk freaked out about the kindler, gentler methods of using a wrench nobody knew how to make and how back in their day the nuts took their beating with a hammer and didn’t complain and every nut got screwed and the only way they knew how to decide how well a nut could get screwed was by using a bizarre ranking of hammer swinging techniques so they didn’t need a wrench and wanted the blacksmith to keep pumping out hammers so they could keep whacking away at the nuts even though numerous journal articles and the blacksmith affirmed the hammer was a poor choice for screwing nuts and that marginalized groups were disproportionately disadvantaged by the systems supporting the use of the hammers but the townsfolk ignored all that and wanted to keep their hammers thankyouverymuch. Because hammers.
Sure, though I contend it wasn't poorly written. Shade aside, I can't say if this decision is certainly good or bad. What I can say is that my professional life focuses on performance evaluation and it's essential to have tests that provide meaningful data, and that the data are relevant to desired outcomes. So:Can you elaborate on why you think this new change is a good idea outside of the "poorly written allegory" format?
Sure, though I contend it wasn't poorly written. Shade aside, I can't say if this decision is certainly good or bad. What I can say is that my professional life focuses on performance evaluation and it's essential to have tests that provide meaningful data, and that the data are relevant to desired outcomes. So:
Additionally, the response to this decision here and elsewhere seems to center on two main arguments:
- Does a better score on a single test accurately represent intelligence/dedication/capacity for learning?
- Does a better score correlate with being a better resident, and a better physician?
Neither of these arguments really hold water. Change happens, and everyone needs to settle with that. Maybe yesterday's physicians look upon today's with disdain because everyone sub-specializes and back in their day they'd give a patient a swig of whiskey and tell them to bite down hard before amputating a leg using a spoon. Side note: if Jenny McJennyson could pass the test and get a high score, what does that say about Jenny's preparation and the test? As for the PDs/APDs, is board score stratification effective & accurate, or simply a convenient way to not look at 700 applications?
- I earned my way to where I'm at through blood, sweat, tears, and unsanctioned bare-knuckle boxing matches. If any aspect of the process changes after I went through it, everyone coming after me is an unqualified snowflake.
- I get 1200 applications for 8 slots and I have absolutely no way to evaluate all of those applications. I understand that people are more complex than test scores and that high scores don't always net the best residents/physicians, but I have no other tool by which to evaluate candidates that won't take literally 7 years every application year.
Do ABEM scores correlate to on-the-job performance? Are higher-scoring physicians better, or is everyone accepted equally because they've all passed the test and you evaluate performance based on how they actually do their jobs and not how they take tests? What if EM docs were compensated based solely on board score?