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One critic especially stuck out, saying the verbage in officer commissioning contracts says the military can call me back for the rest of my life. Can anyone confirm or deny this claim? Personally a lifetime of possible military call backs is not conducive to stressfree existance.

Thanks in advance.

If you are a male over the age of 18 in the United States you can get called into the military for most of your life...if they really needed you (READ: Draft WWI, WWII, Vietnam...)...so I wouldn't sweat it outside of your 7 year post-residency committment, I am still waiting to hear about a bunch of doctors actually being called up after completing their obligation, so far I haven't heard of any such cases, although it is possible.

(now...7 years post-residency is a pretty significant amount no matter how you slice it, but you will be an officer, an MD, making almost as much money as a 1-star General with your pay and benefits -- no doubt not getting treated nearly as well though)
 
Does anyone know any former Coasties that have gone though the USU program?

I am an AD LT stationed in Baltimore and getting ready to apply to USU. Thanks for any info.
 
Just wondering, aren't medical personnel drafted separately and prior to activation of the selective service boards? I was always under the impression that there was a special draft for MD/DO/DDS/PA/RN-types that could be activated separate from the regular SS Draft.
 
Try not to break your arm patting yourself on the back there, pgg. Come out of the clouds and come down to the real world. 🙄

I loved USUHS, and I'm very happy in the Navy. I have a great deal of respect for the line officers & enlisted personnel we exist to serve. I have, on the whole, almost overwhelmingly positive things to say about my time in the Navy, from USUHS to internship to GMO tour to residency. I'm not here to bash anything about the military, just for the sake of bashing. When I have something negative or critical to say, I have a reason.

I'm not going to pretend that OIS was anything other than a silly, poorly-run farce to be endured. It had a handful of redeeming moments, despite the instructors.

And speaking of egos, I refer you to your own self-congratulatory, overvalued, irrelevant personal experience:
SF49ers Fan said:
You have no idea what you're talking about. This med student has more time sitting ON THE CRAPPER, on deployment, than you have TIME IN SERVICE! When I came in you probably weren't in middle school yet and with as much b*#tching and whining that you are doing, it definetly was before your first PAP smear!
 
Actually it is a little hard to take anyone serious who proclaims his "fanhood" for the SF 49ers on a medical correspondence site. Speaking of OIS, I agree with the previous stated comments. It was a huge joke. I busted out laughing everytime our chiefs would shout and holler at us for dropping our salutes at the wrong time. Nothing beats watching an officer with a PhD curse himself for not knowing how to salute.
 
I loved USUHS, and I'm very happy in the Navy. I have a great deal of respect for the line officers & enlisted personnel we exist to serve. I have, on the whole, almost overwhelmingly positive things to say about my time in the Navy, from USUHS to internship to GMO tour to residency. I'm not here to bash anything about the military, just for the sake of bashing. When I have something negative or critical to say, I have a reason.

I'm not going to pretend that OIS was anything other than a silly, poorly-run farce to be endured. It had a handful of redeeming moments, despite the instructors.

And speaking of egos, I refer you to your own self-congratulatory, overvalued, irrelevant personal experience:
You are allowed to have your opinion about your experience there. I took exception to your attitude towards those men and women that you clearly felt were beneath you. You obviously couldn't possibly predict what those service members would eventually accomplish, now can you? 🙄
 
Guess old 49ers fan took that comment a little personally. Maybe, just maybe it hit close to home.
Gastrapathy, I know you are excited about the colon but you need to pull yourself out of pgg's a$$ (Sorry, no points for sucking up). As someone with experience and hopefully some appreciation for enlisted and junior officers, I would expect you to take exception to those comments as well. The fact that you didn't disappoints me.
 
Apparently it's become vogue to worship the line on this forum.
Respect and appreciate are the verbs I would use. I don't think a little of that would be too much out of line for them.
 
Actually it is a little hard to take anyone serious who proclaims his "fanhood" for the SF 49ers on a medical correspondence site. Speaking of OIS, I agree with the previous stated comments. It was a huge joke. I busted out laughing everytime our chiefs would shout and holler at us for dropping our salutes at the wrong time. Nothing beats watching an officer with a PhD curse himself for not knowing how to salute.
Don't worry, due to their latest exploits I find it harder to take myself seriously any more as well. 😀
 
You are allowed to have your opinion about your experience there.

Gee, thanks.

I took exception to your attitude towards those men and women that you clearly felt were beneath you. You obviously couldn't possibly predict what those service members would eventually accomplish, now can you? 🙄

To tell the truth, it gives me pause to imagine what my company's instructor might have "accomplished" in the last decade. I had the distinct impression that the Navy put him in charge of a bunch of dentists and med students so he couldn't damage the real Navy. (I'm reminded of Capt Sobel getting relieved of his command and sent off to teach chaplains and doctors how to jump out of airplanes.)

In fairness, we had an assistant instructor (a short timer, burning his last few months in the Navy) who was a good guy, but there's only so much he could do with a curriculum centered on marching and self-help fads. Seriously ... using 7 Habits to teach us how to study and How To Win Friends And Influence People as the core of a leadership class? Are you kidding me?

In any case, OIS appears to be quite a bit different these days - shorter for one, with Chiefs teaching instead of officers? So my gripes about the way it used to be probably aren't too helpful to those going this summer.

I think I'm done with this thread.
 
Just got back from a DC trip...part of the reason for going was to check out USU. We (my gf and I) met with Joan Stearman (in admissions) and got a tour of the school. The tour guide is Air Force and applying this summer as well. Overall I really liked the campus and the people I met.
 
Hello,

I am applying to USU for the Fall '09 with extensive background in public health and I was wondering if anyone that has gone the public health service duty can tell me about there experience with USU as a USPHS officer, where they did their residencies, and if serving now, where they are serving. Any advantages/disadvatage opinions are appreciated.

Thank you for your help!:luck:
 
Hello,

I am applying to USU for the Fall '09 with extensive background in public health and I was wondering if anyone that has gone the public health service duty can tell me about there experience with USU as a USPHS officer, where they did their residencies, and if serving now, where they are serving. Any advantages/disadvatage opinions are appreciated.

Thank you for your help!:luck:

I know a couple. They are stationed in some remote area of Arizona! PRT 1 time a year, not 2. Can grow a beard.
 
I know a couple. They are stationed in some remote area of Arizona! PRT 1 time a year, not 2. Can grow a beard.

So you would not recommend the Public Health Service based on their experiences? Im sorry if this is a dumb question but what does PRT mean?
 
Does anyone know that the relationship between military physicians and civilian physicians?

A critic was telling me that civilian physicians look down on military physicians for some reason.

Can anyone refute this as well as give some insite on interactions and perhaps the feelings military and civilian physicians have toward each other?
 
I know it may be early, but I like planning ahead.

With the lacking case loads for surgeons who are not in combat/conflict areas, does it make sense attending a military surgery residency? Or is it better to remain a civilian and become a military doc after adequate training?
 
I know it may be early, but I like planning ahead.

With the lacking case loads for surgeons who are not in combat/conflict areas, does it make sense attending a military surgery residency? Or is it better to remain a civilian after and become a military doc after adequate training?

Most people who complain don't complain about the training they get. They are upset at how rusty they get after training...in light of this no your suggestion doesn't really make sense.
 
Most people who complain don't complain about the training they get. They are upset at how rusty they get after training...in light of this no your suggestion doesn't really make sense.

Interesting, so the initial training is indeed adequate, yea, even excellent, but after that there is not enought to keep these surgeons busy. Did I get that right?

Is there anything that can be done to keep such skills sharp? Perhaps requesting deployment or going on humanitarian trips?
 
I know a couple. They are stationed in some remote area of Arizona! PRT 1 time a year, not 2. Can grow a beard.
You could call USUHS and see if they'll put you in touch with a current USPHS student or, conversely, you could contact people in the USPHS recruiting system and get them to put you in touch with someone who came out of USUHS. They should be prepared for such a request. Good luck.
 
I'm getting ready to graduate from USU --formerly USUHS-- and would like to give this advice to anyone considering applying and/or accepting an offer (likewise for HPSP):

If you want the privilege of being a physician who attends to the men and women of our country who ensure or have ensured our freedom, then USU or HPSP is for you.

If you want a free education, then I would suggest looking for different funding because you will likely find the military stuff burdensome and detracting from your expectations as a civilian physician. No harm no foul.

Hope this helps some of you make this important decision.
 
Hello,

I am applying to USU for the Fall '09 with extensive background in public health and I was wondering if anyone that has gone the public health service duty can tell me about there experience with USU as a USPHS officer, where they did their residencies, and if serving now, where they are serving. Any advantages/disadvatage opinions are appreciated.

Thank you for your help!:luck:

There are two USPHS students in our class about to graduate. They can do their residencies anywhere they want: they have the right to try for any of the military residency slots, or go through the civilian match. Both of my classmates did the civilian match. I haven't spoken with one of them, but the other was told by her top site that even if they didn't think she was great, she was a free resident since the hospital wouldn't have to pay her, so it meant that if she matched there they could take 5 residents instead of 4. This only works at places with large enough case loads to justify the extra resident, but otherwise means that you can pretty much pick your residency in the civilian world, as long as you make sure the residency director understands the game.

Disadvantages include having to sit through lots of military curriculum at USU when you are not in fact part of the military. Also, right now they have the equivalent of 10 years active duty commitment, since they technically owe 7 years active and then however much reserve time, but there *are* no reserves in the PHS. They can choose to do the reserve time in the military, but switching services is a huge pain.

PFT is "physical fitness test." There are REALLY soft requirements for PHS physical fitness: they can walk several times a week for half an hour, log it on a computer and pass their requirements. If you want to go ahead and get fat, this is the service for you!

Locations to serve your time are varied: slots are either in the middle of nowhere southwest or inner city badness. You are deployable to humanitarian missions, national crises, and military operations if necessary. There is additional hardship tour pay for some of the worst locations, something like an additional $30,000 per year.

There is an additional 4th year requirement that PHS students rotate through a PHS hospital: Phoenix AZ's ER program is the one most do.

If you have any other questions, please ask!
 
I'm getting ready to graduate from USU --formerly USUHS-- and would like to give this advice to anyone considering applying and/or accepting an offer (likewise for HPSP):

If you want the privilege of being a physician who attends to the men and women of our country who ensure or have ensured our freedom, then USU or HPSP is for you.

If you want a free education, then I would suggest looking for different funding because you will likely find the military stuff burdensome and detracting from your expectations as a civilian physician. No harm no foul.

Hope this helps some of you make this important decision.

I have to agree wholeheartedly: after never having a moment of experience with the military before coming to USU and then having spent the last 2 years doing clinical rotations at military hospitals, I can honestly say that I love my job. My patients are amazing, be it the 19 year old in the ICU with a below the knee amputation, or the 89 year old with pneumonia who can tell me the most amazing stories about his travels with the Navy. Not that civilian patients aren't interesting or don't deserve the same dignity as a soldier, but in many ways our civilian medical system isn't set up in such a way as to allow us to treat them as such.

I did one civilian rotation over the two years of medical school, and was so horrified by the comments of, "well, if she had good insurance we would do this and this and that, but she doesn't, so we're just going to do comfort care." That's just not what I want to do every day: when I was doing Pediatrics in Hawaii there was a baby born with a rare congenital anomaly, and I sat there and watched the pediatric cardiologists arrange for air evac to Stanford for surgery, plane tickets for the parents and the child and her sibling, and housing out there for as long as it took to get the child well enough to fly back. ALL 100% PAID FOR BY THE MILITARY. I also rest easier knowing that dad will continue to draw a salary even if he's gone for months.

I have lots more stories like this, and really think that it's an amazing system to work in. One of my own medications is apparently $100 for a month's supply: I didn't even realize this until I looked it up in Epocrates: for me it's free.

If these sort of perks appeal to you, then the military is probably a good choice: especially if you think that deploying for a bit sounds like fun. If you are going to be bitter because you know that you could make more $$$ than at some other job, then by all means look elsewhere! I just know myself well enough to realize that a day spent doing something I truly love is worth a whole lot more than a bigger salary.
 
I haven't spoken with one of them, but the other was told by her top site that even if they didn't think she was great, she was a free resident since the hospital wouldn't have to pay her, so it meant that if she matched there they could take 5 residents instead of 4.

This is occasionally held up as an alleged advantage military-funded applicants have over civilians, but I don't believe it's true. The number of residents a program can take is an ACGME or RRC accreditation issue, not a funding issue.

Program's can't just take an extra resident. If they could, residency programs would be overflowing with free cheap labor as FMGs and other less competitive people volunteered to do residency for free, just to land a position.
 
Interesting, so the initial training is indeed adequate, yea, even excellent, but after that there is not enought to keep these surgeons busy. Did I get that right?

Is there anything that can be done to keep such skills sharp? Perhaps requesting deployment or going on humanitarian trips?

At the smaller bases, some surgeons will moonlight - taking night call,etc. At the combined civilian/military residency programs, some staff have procured joint assignments - operating at the university and even having a separate university clinic day. There are yearly humanitarian trips that certain departments participate in (like operation smile type trips,etc).
 
This is occasionally held up as an alleged advantage military-funded applicants have over civilians, but I don't believe it's true. The number of residents a program can take is an ACGME or RRC accreditation issue, not a funding issue.

Program's can't just take an extra resident. If they could, residency programs would be overflowing with free cheap labor as FMGs and other less competitive people volunteered to do residency for free, just to land a position.


This isn't exactly true. There are many programs that take fewer residents than they are permitted by the ACGME because they can't pay them. I believe that labor laws preclude "free" residents in many cases.
 
This isn't exactly true. There are many programs that take fewer residents than they are permitted by the ACGME because they can't pay them. I believe that labor laws preclude "free" residents in many cases.

Ditto for fellows. The Saudi government pays for their fellows at the hospital I am working at so they can get some excellent training. The hospital says...well, if they can get board certified to work here, and their government will pay their salary and benefits...then we'll be glad to have some extra people to do our work for us...and for free.
 
Are the PT standards the same as those for the branch you plan on joining?


I'm so anxious to get out of college and start learning here. Three more years...
 
Hello everyone!

I was googling some info while doing a little online MCAT prep, and stumbled across sdn. What a fantastic surprise to find a fairly well-stocked forum dedicated to USUHS!

A little about me:
I'm an AET (flight medic) currently deployed in Qatar with the AF. I've recently decided to apply to USUHS for next Fall, and I will be honest--what I have read here has made me seriously reconsider making USUHS my first choice. Here's why:

4 years of wearing the uniform = no points towards retirement and no credit for pay. I honestly am in disbelief that this hasn't been fixed, especially with the abysmal retention rate. I understand there is a bill on the table. Is correcting this a priority for the folks in Washington? Is it even an issue?

I don't know about y'all, but if I completed my 10 years and knew that I only needed another ten to qualify for retirement I would be much more willing to stick it out for a bit longer. However, if I reach the end of my 10-year commitment and need an additional 14...well..unless military medicine has already made all of my dreams come true, I'd be looking for a change of scenery. It seems like a no-brainer for me.

But to give a little context, I'm 32--a relative old fart who is now looking at 54 instead of 50 for retirement age. If I were 22 (and in the Army) I probably wouldn't be so quick to piss and moan...

Thanks for letting me vent.
 
A little about me:
I'm an AET (flight medic) currently deployed in Qatar with the AF. I've recently decided to apply to USUHS for next Fall, and I will be honest--what I have read here has made me seriously reconsider making USUHS my first choice. Here's why:

4 years of wearing the uniform = no points towards retirement and no credit for pay. I honestly am in disbelief that this hasn't been fixed, especially with the abysmal retention rate. I understand there is a bill on the table. Is correcting this a priority for the folks in Washington? Is it even an issue?

Qatar is so nice...swimming pool, dairy queen, nice theatre, beer tent if you drink...are you sure you are deployed. 🙂

The 4 years kind of counts...but only if you stay 20. Once you hit 20, they give you those other 4 back to you at the end and pay you for 24 years of retirement.
 
Someone privately emailed me this, but I thought it would be worth posting publicly for everyone else who might be wondering the same thing:

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Ma'am,

I am looking at attending USUHS and wanted to ask about your experiences during your third/fourth year. How much if any time did you have to spend in a classroom? For your clinicals were you given hands on opportunities to take responsibility for your patients or did you find yourself observing much of the time? Does USUHS participate in the greater DC/VA Hospital system for any of it's clinicals? Thank you.

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Great questions. I'm going to take your name off and publicly post them.

Classroom time: minimal 3rd and 4th year. We have what are called "intercessions" where we all come back from the clinical rotations to USU for 1-2 weeks twice a year for refresher courses (radiology, derm, EM). Also, for our Military Contingency Medicine classes 4th year (AKA Bushmaster) we spend 3 very boring but practical weeks in a classroom reviewing military med stuff. Otherwise it's site dependent: for example, right now I'm doing ER, and the interns and students have a 1/2hr-45 minute lecture every day at 1pm while we eat lunch.

Clinicals are what you make of them. Yes, I was given TONS of opportunities for procedures and real responsibility. Right now, for example, I am working with 3 interns during any given shift, and I do exactly what they do: same patient load, same procedures, ordering meds, deciding what scans to do, etc. When I was in Neurology my attending kept forgetting that I wasn't an intern, and treated me exactly the same as them. During surgery I got more OR time than the interns, and we get to do lots in the OR if we express interest. I can only say what I've been told and seen myself, and apparently we are given more independence than some civilian students (I specifically know that some Georgetown students are much less in the mix, and feel like they don't get anywhere near as much actual patient care during most of their clinicals: one Georgetown grad was complaining that he was always the 5th person to talk to a patient, and that his only good 3rd year rotation was his Medicine rotation at Walter Reed. I can also state that I was clearly much more useful than the University of Hawaii students I worked with in the Peds clinic at Tripler: after 1/2 an hour the chief resident put me, the only 3rd year USU student working that day, in charge of the four 3rd year UH students, and boy did they not have a clue what they were doing!). These are of course just anecdotes: I do NOT mean to say that all USU students are more independent than all others! But I have never worked with a group that I felt were better prepared than I or my peers were. I really do think wearing the uniform changes us from being observers to thinking of patient care as our job, as well as our teachers thinking of us as real workers and not just observers. But as in all things, you get out of the experience what you put into it.

Greater D.C. area: Yup, I did my OB/GYN at WHC in D.C., some go to the VA for neurology, Kaiser, WHC, or some hospital in Virginia for ER, St. Elizabeth's for Psych, in addition to going to all of the military hospitals in the D.C. area (NNMC, WRAMC, Ft. Belvoir, Dewitt, Ft. Meade). We also can do some clinic at the Pentagon, and smaller sites. We can of course go anywhere a military hospital is, including sites abroad. Here's the official list:

http://www.usuhs.edu/reg/site_codes.html

You can also find course info on the catalogue link.

Hope that's useful!
 
Hey, I'm about to graduate from The Citadel, The Military College of SC, this May. I want to go into Usuhs and become a involved in field surgery as a career, but I am a New Zealand national. Does anyone out there know if I can get US citizenship pushed through by usuhs? If this isn't going to work then I'm going to enlist and be a navy corpsman with the intentions of getting deployed in order to do something medical and military at the same time, although this wouldn't be my first choice. So any help would be greatly appreciated. 🙂
 
Hey, I'm about to graduate from The Citadel, The Military College of SC, this May. I want to go into Usuhs and become a involved in field surgery as a career, but I am a New Zealand national. Does anyone out there know if I can get US citizenship pushed through by usuhs? If this isn't going to work then I'm going to enlist and be a navy corpsman with the intentions of getting deployed in order to do something medical and military at the same time, although this wouldn't be my first choice. So any help would be greatly appreciated. 🙂

I don't believe that you can be accepted to USUHS until you are a US citizen. I also don't think that they would help push through your citizenship either, you would have to work that out on your own. Enlisting in the armed forces though would help you obtain your citizenship.
 
2 questions

1. Exactly what are the chances of doing rotations at the overseas hospitals or civilian institutions?

2. Does anyone know the percentage of minorities that attend USUHS?
 
Qatar is so nice...swimming pool, dairy queen, nice theatre, beer tent if you drink...are you sure you are deployed. 🙂

Swimming pool is broke, I've never been to DQ, the theatre projector has very poor resolution, and the rooms are teeny tiny. The beers are nice after a long mission, but the limit of three has many of us sneaking in copious quantities of liquor to supplement--a bit dangerous. However, for those doing 6 months or more, they will be staying in the fancy new Millenium Village which is nicer than some college campuses. This base will soon have a lot going for it. The pool should be repaired soon and they are supposed to finally open up wireless this month for all those Facebookers and Myspacers. There are worse places to be, of course. There are nice base-sponsored opportunities to visit Doha and I was able to go on a little Arabian Adventure last week complete with camels, 4-wheeling in sand dunes and chilling on the beach with some Qataris.

--FYI if you want to do a stint as a CCATT (critical care air transport team) doc and gain experience, stay far far away from this place--our doc has done only 6 missions in 3 months. That translates to a lot of time making big muscles and sitting on your duff.😴
 
A little about me:

-I graduated cum laude from HS
-got into Johns Hopkins
-got some good research experience there
-failed out of Johns Hopkins due to a couple of semesters where I didn't complete my coursework (too much partying and some family issues)
-Went to work as a Respiratory Tech in Home Health for a few years
-Joined the Tennessee Guard as a flight medic
-Did my clinicals at Andrews and have deployed as a medic for 8 months
-Will complete two degrees by the end of this year, one pre-med, general studies at ETSU and the other in Health Sciences Mgmt from Excelsior College
-GPA is about a 3.65 and I have had to retake quite a few classes to make up for the ones I screwed up at Hopkins (none of them are pre-med requirements)

Questions:
1) What minimum score do you think I will need to make on the MCAT to make up for the Hopkins disaster and to be competitive
2) For GPA calculations, ETSU replaces your old scores when you retake classes. Do you know if USUHS will accept this? I have heard that some med schools do not.

Other Questions:
1) Does BAH adequately cover the cost of living there?
2) Do most students live near campus or are they stuck in DC traffic for part of their day?
3) In general, have you found the active duty medical community to be a bit more relaxed and laid back than other active folks? (For a guardsmen I've been amazed at how uptight and miserable some of the active folks can be--not all, but most)
 
2 questions

1. Exactly what are the chances of doing rotations at the overseas hospitals or civilian institutions?

2. Does anyone know the percentage of minorities that attend USUHS?

1. Overseas rotations are up to you: if you want it, you have a 100% chance of doing it if you do the legwork to make it happen. Just keep in mind that funding might not be there. There is cheap housing in Landstuhl for trainees, and you can take a Space Available ("space-A") flight for free on a plane that is already going there, you just have to wait for the flight to go (you would have good priority for seats, second only to deploying soldiers, I believe). There is a yearly summer trip after year 2 to Peru for prior services students that is fully funded. Also the Preventive Med department has some good funding for trips.

2. the percentage is lousy: we have a few Asian students, I think one Hispanic and two black students in my graduating class of aprox. 150. Unless I'm forgetting some people. If you are a minority, they'd love to see your application come through the admission's office. It's an applying student bias rather than an admission's bias: they're always bemoaning our pathetic stats.

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another helpful link, here's the student handbook. It's designed to be a spiral-bound calendar with information and calendar on each page, hence the funky format. But the info is good and current:

http://www.usuhs.mil/osa/stuhandbooksection4.pdf
 
Hey, I'm about to graduate from The Citadel, The Military College of SC, this May. I want to go into Usuhs and become a involved in field surgery as a career, but I am a New Zealand national. Does anyone out there know if I can get US citizenship pushed through by usuhs? If this isn't going to work then I'm going to enlist and be a navy corpsman with the intentions of getting deployed in order to do something medical and military at the same time, although this wouldn't be my first choice. So any help would be greatly appreciated. 🙂

Call the admission's office. We have had some previously non-us national students go through, so I'd never say never. Call the office and ask for Joan Stearman. She's runs the place and loves talking to students. 800-772-1743. It'd be great if you could report back on what she says.
 
A little about me:

-I graduated cum laude from HS
-got into Johns Hopkins
-got some good research experience there
-failed out of Johns Hopkins due to a couple of semesters where I didn't complete my coursework (too much partying and some family issues)
-Went to work as a Respiratory Tech in Home Health for a few years
-Joined the Tennessee Guard as a flight medic
-Did my clinicals at Andrews and have deployed as a medic for 8 months
-Will complete two degrees by the end of this year, one pre-med, general studies at ETSU and the other in Health Sciences Mgmt from Excelsior College
-GPA is about a 3.65 and I have had to retake quite a few classes to make up for the ones I screwed up at Hopkins (none of them are pre-med requirements)

Questions:
1) What minimum score do you think I will need to make on the MCAT to make up for the Hopkins disaster and to be competitive
2) For GPA calculations, ETSU replaces your old scores when you retake classes. Do you know if USUHS will accept this? I have heard that some med schools do not.

Other Questions:
1) Does BAH adequately cover the cost of living there?
2) Do most students live near campus or are they stuck in DC traffic for part of their day?
3) In general, have you found the active duty medical community to be a bit more relaxed and laid back than other active folks? (For a guardsmen I've been amazed at how uptight and miserable some of the active folks can be--not all, but most)

first set of q's:

1) USU LOVES MEDICS! You have a great chance. I'd guess that poor MCAT scores could keep you from getting an interview, but you don't need to count on them to get you in. If you get above a 26-27, you could get an interview. 29 or above and you can breathe easy.
2) no idea. Probably. But just be pro-active and tell your story and how now you learned your lesson in your applications essays. Improvement and demonstrated maturity do a lot to excuse a dark period. Med schools just want to know that you aren't going to waste their time and flunk out 2nd year.

other q's:

1) yes. My house payments and basic utilities are covered. Of course, it's easy to stretch beyond your means here, so it's up to you.
2) Your choice. Some bought pricey, luxury townhouses far away, others rent nice apartments minutes away. I bought a small single family home 4 miles/15 minute back-road-drive away, no traffic issues for me.

3) Yes, minimal uptightness, unless you raise red flags with the chain of command or the dean's office by creating a track record/paper trail. It is assumed that we are all adults who will take care of our responsibilities. For example, our hair must meet minimum regs, but no women I know actually slick back their hair unless they were prior service Marine Corps (Semper Fi !!!). O-6's are a dime a dozen here, and they are approachable and friendly overall, so we aren't that hung up on rank, either. No marching or organized PT, just uniform inspections when necessary. If you think about it, it makes sense for our mission: we need to all be leaders, and independent thinkers/decision makers as doctors, so the line mentality of "less thinking more following orders" doesn't make sense for us like it does them.
 
2) no idea. Probably. But just be pro-active and tell your story and how now you learned your lesson in your applications essays. Improvement and demonstrated maturity do a lot to excuse a dark period. Med schools just want to know that you aren't going to waste their time and flunk out 2nd year.

Just a heads up....

Even if your school "replaces" your old scores for classes you WILL have to enter them as graded the first time and second time into the AMCAS application. The instructions to fill out the application are explicit when it comes to this. I took one class that I should have dropped but was stubborn and didn't drop in time. I retook it and got an A but I had to enter both grades into the AMCAS. USUHS did not seem to worry about this but then again is was not in a pre-req class. Hope that helps
 
There is a yearly summer trip after year 2 to Peru for prior services students that is fully funded.

...I wonder if they'd let me go if I'm not prior service...?
(lifelong dream to go to Peru)

that's so cool about overseas rotations though...I spoke with a '94 grad who did one in Australia that she loved.
 
4 years of wearing the uniform = no points towards retirement and no credit for pay. I honestly am in disbelief that this hasn't been fixed, especially with the abysmal retention rate. I understand there is a bill on the table. Is correcting this a priority for the folks in Washington? Is it even an issue?

That bill was revised and signed into law, but the final version stopped short of granting up-front retirement credit for USUHS time. At present, prior service types won't take pay cuts to go to USUHS, but no one gets retirement credit until they actually quit.

I wrote to my 4 senators and 2 representatives (ie, the ones from the state I'm living in, and the ones from the state I'm still a legal resident of), and got a couple letters back, essentially saying blah blah blah I'll always stand up for uniformed servicemembers blah blah blah next time the subject comes up I'll keep your remarks in mind. Noncommittal. I expect nothing.

They would rather spend money to recruit a short-timer than spend that same money to retain a career physician, because retirement benefits cost even more money. Senior leaders have gone on record openly stating that career retention is an anti-goal.

So I would not expect to ever see credit for USUHS time granted up front.

I don't know about y'all, but if I completed my 10 years and knew that I only needed another ten to qualify for retirement I would be much more willing to stick it out for a bit longer. However, if I reach the end of my 10-year commitment and need an additional 14...well..unless military medicine has already made all of my dreams come true, I'd be looking for a change of scenery. It seems like a no-brainer for me.

Keep in mind that although USUHS carries a 7 year commitment, no one gets out after 7 years. There's a period of at least 3-5 years as an intern and resident that doesn't apply to your service obligation, so count on serving at least 10 years after you graduate.
 
...I wonder if they'd let me go if I'm not prior service...?
(lifelong dream to go to Peru)

that's so cool about overseas rotations though...I spoke with a '94 grad who did one in Australia that she loved.

You can do a trip during a fourth year elective so prior service only applies for the one between 1st and 2nd years. They always have stuff going on around the globe.
 
Keep in mind that although USUHS carries a 7 year commitment, no one gets out after 7 years. There's a period of at least 3-5 years as an intern and resident that doesn't apply to your service obligation, so count on serving at least 10 years after you graduate.


Exactly what does this 3-5 internship consist of? Is that before residency? I believe I will be attending the USUHS, but honestly, some of these details are confusing. I know however, it's a great opportunity.
 
I currently have a 2.90 science gpa due to a F in organic and a 3.2 overall. I have been scoring in the 28-32 range on the MCAT. Do I have a shot of being accepted? I keep taking classes but im at 220 hours and 12 hours doesnt budge my gpa much.
 
I currently have a 2.90 science gpa due to a F in organic and a 3.2 overall. I have been scoring in the 28-32 range on the MCAT. Do I have a shot of being accepted? I keep taking classes but im at 220 hours and 12 hours doesnt budge my gpa much.

I don't think you can be accepted with less than a C in organic (I am assuming you passed it at a later time). Have you actually taken the MCAT, or have you just taken practice ones at this point? Because those are two different animals. Less than 3.0 in your sciences will be tough to swing, even if you are prior service. The 3.2 overall probably isn't a show stopper, but you would need to get your science GPA up. I would say do a Master's program, but it won't help your undergrad GPA.
 
Exactly what does this 3-5 internship consist of? Is that before residency? I believe I will be attending the USUHS, but honestly, some of these details are confusing. I know however, it's a great opportunity.

When that member mentioned 3-5 years of internship and residency they are referring to your residency (year one of residency = 'internship'). The varied amount of years of your residency depends on your specialty of choice (fewer years for, say, family practice VS. many more years for surgery).

Theoretically you could finish your internship (aka first year of residency aka FYGME) and act as a GMO/Flight Surgeon for your entire 7 year commitment. However this is generally not a popular plan. That being said, if you take a residency which lasts 3-5 years, and then owe 7 years of active duty payback, many people decide that they are close enough to their 20 years that they just stay in until retirement. This is what that member is referring to by saying that the practical commitment is longer than 7 years.
 
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