vision 2015 changes so far?

[geronamo26]

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I am not a podiatry student as of yet, but I am very much interested in becoming one. I have a couple questions. Does anyone know how much progress has been made on Vision 2015 so far? Have any of the Podiatry schools changed their curriculums to match the Vision plan lately? Lastly, do podiatrists work on lower leg problems at all, such as broken lower leg bones? Thanks!😀

 

[hamlinbeach]

OCPM has added a 'genetics and embryology' course for the 1st years (genetics used to be covered somewhat by biochemistry and microbiology, and embryology was somewhat covered by neurobiology and histology), also a course entitled 'human systems biology' is added for I believe 1st year. 'Behavioral Medicine' is added to the third year, and there is also 'women's health' course that appeared on our schedule that is not in the 08-09 academic catalog.

the administration has stressed that these courses are necessary in MD/DO programs, and as we are seeking parity with these professions, it is only expected that we should take these courses as well. Maybe someone can correct me, but my understanding is that the NBPME does not test much of this material, so maybe the schools are getting ready for a possible USMLE step 1... or the NBPME is adding in extra material to acheive the goals of v2015?

 

[podpod]

I am not a podiatry student as of yet, but I am very much interested in becoming one. I have a couple questions. 1) Does anyone know how much progress has been made on Vision 2015 so far?
2)Have any of the Podiatry schools changed their curriculums to match the Vision plan lately?
3) Lastly, do podiatrists work on lower leg problems at all, such as broken lower leg bones? Thanks!😀

1+2) hell yea!! some schools have programs where ur in classes with medical school students. the reason is that pods need to be trained as physicians so they can treat a number of disorders that manifest from systemic disorders.

3) umm... im thinking u mean tibia and fibula by "lower leg bones"... the answer is no... if u want to do that, best get into a nice ortho residency after med school. as for REALLY lower leg bones, there is tons of ortho surgery. bunionectomy, ftw!!

 

[MaseratiGT]

1+2) hell yea!! some schools have programs where ur in classes with medical school students. the reason is that pods need to be trained as physicians so they can treat a number of disorders that manifest from systemic disorders.

3) umm... im thinking u mean tibia and fibula by "lower leg bones"... the answer is no... if u want to do that, best get into a nice ortho residency after med school. as for REALLY lower leg bones, there is tons of ortho surgery. bunionectomy, ftw!!

There are states, like Florida, where pods can work on bone up to the tibial tuberosity.

OP, I have seen pods working on the tib/fib with fractures and such. It is possible.

 

[JEWmongous]

There are states, like Florida, where pods can work on bone up to the tibial tuberosity.

OP, I have seen pods working on the tib/fib with fractures and such. It is possible.

I heard of this as well, especially with high ankle fractures. There are a few states that have bone up to the tibial tuberosity (right below the knee)

 

[podpod]

I heard of this as well, especially with high ankle fractures. There are a few states that have bone up to the tibial tuberosity (right below the knee)

i guess it comes down to are 1) patients gonna come see u for that injury 2) are u gonna see enough cases to want to work on that area 3) will u get the residency to train in that area 4) will ur hospital allow u to do the surgery

i def think u shouldnt go into the field EXPECTING to do these cases.

also i thought florida was "soft tissue" up to the TT. i thought in general tibia and fibula are usually out of scope. i have seen a scope of practice attachment on a previous post in this forum.

 

[MaseratiGT]

i guess it comes down to are 1) patients gonna come see u for that injury 2) are u gonna see enough cases to want to work on that area 3) will u get the residency to train in that area 4) will ur hospital allow u to do the surgery

i def think u shouldnt go into the field EXPECTING to do these cases.

also i thought florida was "soft tissue" up to the TT. i thought in general tibia and fibula are usually out of scope. i have seen a scope of practice attachment on a previous post in this forum.

FL is osseous to tibial tuberosity and soft to the greater trochanter or acetabulum.

ID - surgical distal to the midshaft of the tib.

NM - Surgical to the tuberosity and soft of the thigh.

Some states don't allow pods to work on the shafts of the tib/fib, but a lot of states for allow for a pod to work on ankle fractures and the malleoli. Only a handful allow for tib/fib beside the components of the ankle joint.

 

[podpod]

FL is osseous to tibial tuberosity and soft to the greater trochanter or acetabulum.

ID - surgical distal to the midshaft of the tib.

NM - Surgical to the tuberosity and soft of the thigh.

Some states don't allow pods to work on the shafts of the tib/fib, but a lot of states for allow for a pod to work on ankle fractures and the malleoli. Only a handful allow for tib/fib beside the components of the ankle joint.

well badass!! there is this thread goin around about 'cold feet.' if anything that post makes me even more excited... albaquerque/miami/boise here i come!!!

 

[JEWmongous]

well badass!! there is this thread goin around about 'cold feet.' if anything that post makes me even more excited... albaquerque/miami/boise here i come!!!

Georgia is great as well, I think it is the "best" of scopes. I have not heard of turf wars in GA, but I know lawmakers tried to reduce the scope of Florida pods (to solely ankle bone) but it failed in the state legislature.

 

[podpod]

Georgia is great as well, I think it is the "best" of scopes. I have not heard of turf wars in GA, but I know lawmakers tried to reduce the scope of Florida pods (to solely ankle bone) but it failed in the state legislature.

see its times like that im glad some ppl (even dpms) get their mph/jd to lobby for us. there are under 20k pods in the US but we are needed and no one does the foot and ankle better

 

[MaseratiGT]

well badass!! there is this thread goin around about 'cold feet.' if anything that post makes me even more excited... albaquerque/miami/boise here i come!!!

Ha! What's wrong with Miami?

 

[smartman716]

Georgia is great as well, I think it is the "best" of scopes. I have not heard of turf wars in GA, but I know lawmakers tried to reduce the scope of Florida pods (to solely ankle bone) but it failed in the state legislature.

Jewmongous,

You're exactly correct. As far as scope, GA is the BESTEST!!!one111!!!

Ha! What's wrong with Miami?[/QUOTE

MaseratiGT,

I think she means that she'd like to practice in Miami in the future.

 

[podpod]

MaseratiGT,

I think she means that she'd like to practice in Miami in the future.

for the record im a dude 😎 but ur right on about the point i was makin

 

[smartman716]

for the record im a dude 😎 but ur right on about the point i was makin

Sorry podpod. I'll keep that in mind.

 

[MaseratiGT]

for the record im a dude 😎 but ur right on about the point i was makin

I thought when you put Miami next to Boise, you were joking. 🙂 Two entirely different ends of the spectrum.

 

[PoddyMan]

Does anyone know how much progress has been made on Vision 2015 so far? Have any of the Podiatry schools changed their curriculums to match the Vision plan lately?

A major concern that the AMA (American Medical Association) pointed out in their AMA Scope of Practice Data Series: Podiatrists (December 2007) is that podiatric students are placed in clinical rotations with "limited circumstances where medical students also train. Very few of the podiatry schools... note in their clinical course descriptions that podiatry students train on the same inpatient or outpatient services as do medical students." (p. 18). In other words, DPM students are not prepared for hospital-based residency training as are MD/DO students.

A new school, Western University College of Podiatric Medicine (www.westernu.edu), is developing its curriculum according to Vision 2015, i.e., to be comparable to that of allopathic and osteopathic medical education. So that there are no issues regarding the basic medical science training, all courses at Western U are taken with the osteopathic medical students, similar to that at AZPOD & CPMS (Des Moines). (I'm not exactly sure of the degree of basic medical science integration at Scholl.) With regard to clinical education, Western U's goal is to have 3rd- & 4th- year students rotate through the same number of general medicine and general surgery rotations recommended for MD & DO students, which is far more than that found at most if not all pod med schools.

 

[JEWmongous]

OCPM has added a 'genetics and embryology' course for the 1st years (genetics used to be covered somewhat by biochemistry and microbiology, and embryology was somewhat covered by neurobiology and histology), also a course entitled 'human systems biology' is added for I believe 1st year. 'Behavioral Medicine' is added to the third year, and there is also 'women's health' course that appeared on our schedule that is not in the 08-09 academic catalog.

the administration has stressed that these courses are necessary in MD/DO programs, and as we are seeking parity with these professions, it is only expected that we should take these courses as well. Maybe someone can correct me, but my understanding is that the NBPME does not test much of this material, so maybe the schools are getting ready for a possible USMLE step 1... or the NBPME is adding in extra material to acheive the goals of v2015?

Yea I just saw the first year schedule. Definitely interesting! Did they hire some new profs for these courses? I noticed biochem is now called "medical biochem" , histo is "cell and tissue", new embryology/genetics class, etc. Seems like "Intro to medicine" is gone completely while adding in "intro to patient care" & Medical ethics. Also, the pod med class will be once a month. Seems like it very much resembles a 1st term MD/DO curriculum.

 

[smartman716]

I pulled this up from 4 years ago

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=248798

PoddyMan,

What issues (besides curricula, if any) regarding basic medical science training in the pre-clinical years were you referring to? I will assume that the ultimate goal is that all schools be completely integrated as per Vision 2015.

 

[PoddyMan]

What issues (besides curricula, if any) regarding basic medical science training in the pre-clinical years were you referring to? I will assume that the ultimate goal is that all schools be completely integrated as per Vision 2015.

Assuming all else is equal, the question is, will the allopaths/osteopaths accept that the remaining 5 schools take classes independently? I guess they could argue, are the classes really the same? Hopefully they would accept independent classes, because I don't see integration happening in the near future for them.