Waitlisted at 7 schools 0 acceptances; 525 MCAT; Adcom advice?

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yep, this is bs stereotype. being intelligent and/or a good student does not make you antisocial
Exactly. I know plenty of anti-socials who are HORRIBLE students and also some that are normal students or excellent. Its really nothing to do.

I also happen to know students who are better students than me AND are extroverted AND play multiple sports. So... BS.

There is no "cost" to a high MCAT. One is not automatically an anti-social autistic or aspergers spectrum because he scored above a 520 on the MCAT. He is just smart, talented, and hard-working usually, and might also be a pretty social guy. Stop judging on stats, it really is complete speculation. I can see how a 4.0 525 can seem like an antisocial person, since it may take a ton of time alone to get those stats, but.. come on guys, do I have to say it? I will; don't judge a book by its cover. There, I said it.
 
Your safety schools may have seen your score and said “this person will probably not accept our offer of admission.” Who knows. But take some time to go out there and interact with others. Getting a 525 on the mcat probably took years of not speaking to anyone whatsoever, lol.
Or he is just smart and could understand things with greater ease than most AND had extra time. Getting a 525 MCAT does not take 'years' or not talking to anyone. Its hard concentrated work but it doesn't take your soul away.
 
yep, this is bs stereotype. being intelligent and/or a good student does not make you antisocial

It definitely is not a BS stereotype. The stereotype exists for a reason. There are plenty of examples even just on SDN of high performing students who cannot get an acceptance because they have no social skills. Being intelligent does not make you anti-social, but dedicating most of your time to maintaining a 4.0 and scoring a 52x on the MCAT often means sacrificing time spent socializing. For many, that means they really don't know how to talk to people outside of a classroom or study session.
 
Exactly. I know plenty of anti-socials who are HORRIBLE students and also some that are normal students or excellent. Its really nothing to do.

I also happen to know students who are better students than me AND are extroverted AND play multiple sports. So... BS.

The stereotype exists for a reason. Just because you know exceptions to the rule doesn't mean the stereotype is BS. You're just observing that stereotypes don't apply broadly to everyone in a category, which is something an educated person should know.

There is no "cost" to a high MCAT. One is not automatically an anti-social autistic or aspergers spectrum because he scored above a 520 on the MCAT. He is just smart, talented, and hard-working usually, and might also be a pretty social guy. Stop judging on stats, it really is complete speculation. I can see how a 4.0 525 can seem like an antisocial person, since it may take a ton of time alone to get those stats, but.. come on guys, do I have to say it? I will; don't judge a book by its cover. There, I said it.

Agree here though.
 
Hi everyone, so people asked me for tips on MCAT, so I will give tips on MCAT studying, studying in general, and some life advice haha. Feel free to discuss / disagree with my tips =)

MCAT specific tips:
1) Study intensively. The quality of studying is more important than the quantity. I studied about 2-3 weeks for the MCAT, but studied very intensively those few weeks. Actually, if you spend many months studying for the MCAT, it's very likely you will forget what you learned several months ago. If you don't know the material at all, it might take longer, but that's a different story... see general learning tips below then.
2) Take the practice tests EARLY, not late. If you take the practice tests early, you can figure out your weak points and only work on those. If you take the practice tests late, it's useless because you can't focus on the weak points.

MCAT test day tips:
1) Stress is good for you. There is a common misconception that stress is bad for you. It's not true at all. There's a lot of research showing that stress enhances performance depending on how you use it. I scored 6 points higher on the actual test than the practice test because I worked harder, thought faster, thought deeper, was more creative, etc. There's also research showing stress (including cortisol, and chronic stress) is good for your health, not bad for you, depending on how you use it.
2) Basically, use the stress to your advantage, to move faster, think harder, etc. Stress is good for you. This is actually good life advice in general - use stress to your advantage. Olympians score world records under pressure, musicians do their best performances under pressure, test-takers get record scores under pressure.

General learning advice:
1) We're learning this stuff not just to get good scores or good grades, but because we are naturally curious about science, want to learn about the world, and want to use our knowledge to help the world and other people. Intrinsic motivation is very important - there's a lot of research showing that intrinsic motivation leads to better performance, better morals, etc. Focus on why you want to learn the material because it's interesting or will help you be a better doctor one day or help others, not just because you want a top score.

2) In contrast to my MCAT specific advice, for general learning, you want to space out study sessions. You will forget a lot of stuff, but when you forget and relearn, you strengthen the neural connections. Reason for MCAT it's different, is that on MCAT you don't actually have to know the concepts well- you just have to recognize them sufficiently to ace the test.

3) Study actively. TEST YOURSELF. Do not just re-read material. Think about why things are true from multiple angles. Be interested in the material, don't just try to get a good score on the test. It's such cool stuff!

4) Growth mentality. You can improve on anything with effort. That includes academic skills, social skills, etc. It's all about the process, and getting better every day. Try to get better every day, and work hard, as opposed to extrinsic things like looking good or achieving a high position. After all, as physicians, we will be lifelong learners =)

And finally, life advice =)
1) In addition to the idea that stress is good for you depending on how you use it (Winston Churchill gave his best speeches under pressure, Usain Bolt ran his best races under pressure, you get the point...)
2) Life is uncertain, accept it. Even though I'm on 7 waitlists, I'm very happy. And quite at peace. I am grateful to have the opportunity to study medicine in the first place. If I don't get in, I will just work harder and get in next time. It's not about getting into medical school - it's being the best doctor I can be to help other people. But uncertainty is part of life, not just the med school admissions process, but throughout life there is always uncertainty. That's not a bad thing. Uncertainty is opportunity.
 
SO if someone was interviewing with an adcom and really did not know how to answer the question or wasn't prepared for it, what should be done?! And how long does can that person take to collect their thoughts before it would seem like they are blanking out?
Here's a thought experiment. You are an interviewer for your med school two years from now.
Fun1nth3sun1: So, wWhat do you think about Switzerland's new medical policy on X?
Them: [thinking ohmigawd!]

Now count to five:
One-one thousand
Two-one thousand
Three-one thousand
Four-one thousand
Five-one thousand

Wasn't that an uncomfortable pause?

it's OK to gather thoughts and then come up with an answer. Hong long that takes to be acceptable is up to you as the interviewer.


DO adcomes prefer to accept a student with an outgoing personality and not really timid or shy? How they can they tell that difference between a shy timid person and a respectful polite person?!
Shy is OK. We see shy people all the time. But there such a thing as too shy and timid.
 
And finally, life advice =)
1) In addition to the idea that stress is good for you depending on how you use it (Winston Churchill gave his best speeches under pressure, Usain Bolt ran his best races under pressure, you get the point...)
2) Life is uncertain, accept it. Even though I'm on 7 waitlists, I'm very happy. And quite at peace. I am grateful to have the opportunity to study medicine in the first place. If I don't get in, I will just work harder and get in next time. It's not about getting into medical school - it's being the best doctor I can be to help other people. But uncertainty is part of life, not just the med school admissions process, but throughout life there is always uncertainty. That's not a bad thing. Uncertainty is opportunity.
Awwwww man that was so sweet! 😍 If interviewing really is your weak spot, try to find a way to let what you said right here shine through and I'm sure you'll get in if you have to go through this whole process again.
 
SO if someone was interviewing with an adcom and really did not know how to answer the question or wasn't prepared for it, what should be done?! And how long does can that person take to collect their thoughts before it would seem like they are blanking out? DO adcomes prefer to accept a student with an outgoing personality and not really timid or shy? How they can they tell that difference between a shy timid person and a respectful polite person?!

@Goro's advice isn't DO specific. It is okay to take a moment to gather your thoughts, but you know when you've sat staring blankly for too long. If I didn't know an answer during an interview, I would either BS it or admit that I did not know. It is okay to tell an interviewer you don't know about the recent changes in xyz health policy. It isn't okay to not know why you want to go to their school. Being respectful and polite is an excellent trait to have, and you can have those traits while still being personable enough to have professional interactions with your interviewers, the staff, and students you meet throughout the day.

Just be a normal.
 
@Goro's advice isn't DO specific. It is okay to take a moment to gather your thoughts, but you know when you've sat staring blankly for too long. If I didn't know an answer during an interview, I would either BS it or admit that I did not know. It is okay to tell an interviewer you don't know about the recent changes in xyz health policy. It isn't okay to not know why you want to go to their school. Being respectful and polite is an excellent trait to have, and you can have those traits while still being personable enough to have professional interactions with your interviewers, the staff, and students you meet throughout the day.

Just be a normal.
I don;'t think Fun was referring to DO vs MD admissions. I suspect that the DO should have been "Do ado
 
I think the fact that he used the phrase “safety schools” in a discussion about medical school admissions really says it all.

There is no such thing as a safety medical school. Say that to yourself 3 times. This is not college. This is a furiously competitive process, where no stats ever guarantee admission.

I don’t care if you have a 4.0 from Harvard, a 528 mcat, and you cured 3 rare cancers. You NEVER apply top-heavy, and NEVER consider yourself “above” a USMD program.
 
Absolutely do NOT apply DO, going from interviews at top 10s to applying DO is just unimaginable.

Work on what you need to, clearly you’re a solid applicant, don’t be discouraged from reapplying to top schools again if you don’t get off a waitlist.

I know several people who interviewed at top 20 MDs and went DO.
 
I think it depends on a lot of factors. I had similar stats as OP but still recieved many interviews and acceptances from more low yield or "mid-tier" schools like BU, Dartmouth, Rochester, etc. that straight up rejected many applicants pre-II. I think one important factor is location -- I come from the New England area so I would be more likely to attend one of these schools that a similar stat applicant from a warmer climate.

While I do think that resource protection is a thing, too often I see high stat candidates blame resource protection for bad applications or interviews (this doesn't apply to OP). I recently saw someone in my state school thread post that they had been rejected post-II, presumably because with their high stats, the adcom knew that they wouldn't come to our state school. Maybe the adcom was correct that the applicant wouldn't come to our state school, but it wasn't due to their stats -- I had a higher MCAT than that person and was accepted a couple weeks after my interview. I'm pretty sure interviewers can also tell if you think that you're "too good" for a school, and won't accept you because of it.

Thanks for the shoutout!

I can empathize, OP, because you clearly are qualified but have to compete with a very specific subset of the applicant pool. I can say for me, I was probably too research-heavy and so pigeon-holed myself into those highly academic top 20s, and did not do much community service and so probably was not as strong an applicant for the mid-tiers. I really lucked out at the end of it all, but have also been waitlisted or rejected from a fair share of schools, without getting an II from any school out of the top 20 other than my state school.

Definitely send in an LOI to your top choice (and make sure it is not like Duke, with almost no WL movement!) and stay in touch with the adcom if you have any updates. I know personally I have not yet withdrawn from anywhere as financial aid is getting ironed out, and I know of many people who are still holding multiple acceptances.
 
Why would OP not apply DO in addition to MD? If they get into an MD school and prefer that acceptance, great, but why not have a safety net just in case? Particularly considering that OP's application/interview performance as they currently are have proven not to be top school material. Wouldn't you rather go to a DO school than take the time and money to be a 3rd time reapplicant?

And why is it so "unimaginable"? For 95% of medical students, what you do with your time in medical school matters far more than where you go.


OPs stats and number of interviews at top schools shows that he's absolutely "top school material" for sure. He can build a safety net by applying to a larger spectrum of MD schools and by boosting their application and interview skills. If OP has to apply 3 times to get into a top MD school such as a top 10, down the road of medical school he'll be extremely happy he waited and took advantage of their great stats to get into a top school due to the abundance of opportunity, resources, and future security that come with top schools, as oppose to going DO, where there are many annoying nuances that have to be overcome, but yes he would get immediately accepted to DO.

Once again OP, go MD, you're a great candidate as shown by your stats and number of interviews, dont listen to the SDN doomgloom vibe, contrary to popular opinion going DO will limit your options in the future and people do care where you went to school.
 
SO if someone was interviewing with an adcom and really did not know how to answer the question or wasn't prepared for it, what should be done?! And how long does can that person take to collect their thoughts before it would seem like they are blanking out?
Here's a thought experiment. You are an interviewer for your med school two years from now.
Fun1nth3sun1: So, wWhat do you think about Switzerland's new medical policy on X?
Them: [thinking ohmigawd!]

Now count to five:
One-one thousand
Two-one thousand
Three-one thousand
Four-one thousand
Five-one thousand

Wasn't that an uncomfortable pause?

it's OK to gather thoughts and then come up with an answer. Hong long that takes to be acceptable is up to you as the interviewer.


DO adcomes prefer to accept a student with an outgoing personality and not really timid or shy? How they can they tell that difference between a shy timid person and a respectful polite person?!
Shy is OK. We see shy people all the time. But there such a thing as too shy and timid.

Thanks for the response! I did not see this response. That makes sense since if someone was too shy to have a normal conversation or be personable I would imagine that would be a problem.
 
Hi everyone, so people asked me for tips on MCAT, so I will give tips on MCAT studying, studying in general, and some life advice haha. Feel free to discuss / disagree with my tips =)

MCAT specific tips:
1) Study intensively. The quality of studying is more important than the quantity. I studied about 2-3 weeks for the MCAT, but studied very intensively those few weeks. Actually, if you spend many months studying for the MCAT, it's very likely you will forget what you learned several months ago. If you don't know the material at all, it might take longer, but that's a different story... see general learning tips below then.
2) Take the practice tests EARLY, not late. If you take the practice tests early, you can figure out your weak points and only work on those. If you take the practice tests late, it's useless because you can't focus on the weak points.

MCAT test day tips:
1) Stress is good for you. There is a common misconception that stress is bad for you. It's not true at all. There's a lot of research showing that stress enhances performance depending on how you use it. I scored 6 points higher on the actual test than the practice test because I worked harder, thought faster, thought deeper, was more creative, etc. There's also research showing stress (including cortisol, and chronic stress) is good for your health, not bad for you, depending on how you use it.
2) Basically, use the stress to your advantage, to move faster, think harder, etc. Stress is good for you. This is actually good life advice in general - use stress to your advantage. Olympians score world records under pressure, musicians do their best performances under pressure, test-takers get record scores under pressure.

General learning advice:
1) We're learning this stuff not just to get good scores or good grades, but because we are naturally curious about science, want to learn about the world, and want to use our knowledge to help the world and other people. Intrinsic motivation is very important - there's a lot of research showing that intrinsic motivation leads to better performance, better morals, etc. Focus on why you want to learn the material because it's interesting or will help you be a better doctor one day or help others, not just because you want a top score.

2) In contrast to my MCAT specific advice, for general learning, you want to space out study sessions. You will forget a lot of stuff, but when you forget and relearn, you strengthen the neural connections. Reason for MCAT it's different, is that on MCAT you don't actually have to know the concepts well- you just have to recognize them sufficiently to ace the test.

3) Study actively. TEST YOURSELF. Do not just re-read material. Think about why things are true from multiple angles. Be interested in the material, don't just try to get a good score on the test. It's such cool stuff!

4) Growth mentality. You can improve on anything with effort. That includes academic skills, social skills, etc. It's all about the process, and getting better every day. Try to get better every day, and work hard, as opposed to extrinsic things like looking good or achieving a high position. After all, as physicians, we will be lifelong learners =)

And finally, life advice =)
1) In addition to the idea that stress is good for you depending on how you use it (Winston Churchill gave his best speeches under pressure, Usain Bolt ran his best races under pressure, you get the point...)
2) Life is uncertain, accept it. Even though I'm on 7 waitlists, I'm very happy. And quite at peace. I am grateful to have the opportunity to study medicine in the first place. If I don't get in, I will just work harder and get in next time. It's not about getting into medical school - it's being the best doctor I can be to help other people. But uncertainty is part of life, not just the med school admissions process, but throughout life there is always uncertainty. That's not a bad thing. Uncertainty is opportunity.


If you had this attitude and were able to express your thoughts candidly like this on your interviews, you would have an acceptance by now.
 
Honestly, your application is incredible. I have to wonder what happened at those interviews. With 7 waitlists I have to assume that you will get into one of them but still you certainly shouldn't be in this situation at all. Medical school applications are an absolute mystery.
 
I got in off 1/4 waitlists and my MCAT was literal trash compared to yours, so I strongly suspect you'll get into at least one of these schools.
 
Here are some things that get people rejected immediately:

· Being unprofessional for any reason. An example is addressing a faculty member by their first name. Another is chewing gum during the interview. If you have a dry mouth, suck on a lozenge instead. BTW, the interview lasts all day. Acting unprofessionally during your tour, like yelling at a parking attendant, or trashing the school, or expecting the Admissions Office staff to hang up your coat or fetch you coffee is duly noted and affects your fate accordingly.

· Not taking the interview seriously, like showing up poorly dressed. This is suit and tie time (and nice dress/outfit/suit for the ladies). You're going into character. Yes, if the airline loses your luggage, we understand that.

· Do NOT be arrogant. People who think that they're God's gift to Medicine do not go into Medicine.

· Being too shy or nervous. Being quiet is OK; being monosyllabic or robotic is not.

· Not making eye contact is also a no-no (yes I'm aware that in some cultures, one does not look elders in the eye, but this is the USA and you need to look people in the eye here).

· Any hints of immaturity will be lethal for your chances. We expect you to be thoughtful and self-aware. Would you admit the gal who, when asked a hypothetical, "What would you do in this situation?" answers, "Oh, that wouldn't happen."

· Showing you're greedy.

· Showing any hint of entitlement. This includes the “I was accepted to XSOM, so what are you going to do for me?” The answer will be “Good luck and have fun at XSOM.

· Being clueless as to why you're choosing Medicine as a career.

· Doing this because your mom/dad wants you to be a doctor (or don't think you can be doctor).

· Completely lacking people skills (4.0 automatons are a dime a dozen, really).

· Showing that you're more interested in research than Medicine. This might be OK at Stanford, but it won’t fly at most other schools.

· Still being the hyper-gunner...I rejected a 4.0 gal who wanted to answer the questions I asked of another person in the interview panel. I don't want to admit someone who will be in my office whining about how they got a 95 on an exam and deserved a 96.

· Having a flat affect. This might be due to medication, or a mental or personality disorder. You ever meet someone who could never crack a smile? I don't want someone like that touching patients.

· Copping an attitude. I asked a woman why she didn't have any volunteer experience. She replied that she was too busy working. Fair enough, some people have lives, but she copped an attitude while delivering this, and I just wrote down "reject".

· Coming in with scripted answers and being unable to deviate from said script.

· Being ill-prepared for fairly common interview questions (e.g. Why this school? Why Medicine?)

· Thinking that always circling back to your accomplishments and how great you are impresses us.

· Making excuses for misdeeds. We had rejected someone once who had some fairly benign misdemeanors, but blamed it on the policemen who gave him the tickets.

· Don’t do show and tell. I don’t want you pulling out a binder with your resume or portfolio. Let your application speak for you.

· Being a babbling idiot. These are those people who can't answer a question concisely. I've sure you've met people like this...why bother using one word when ten will do? I suspect that they’re thinking for an answer while they're speaking, so the mouth is going while the brain tries to come up with something.

· It’s OK to gather your thoughts, but it’s not OK to blank out. This group includes the people who do something like this (and I am NOT making this up!):
goro: So tell me about this trip to Honduras
Interviewee: Well, we went there for a mission trip and...what was the question?
goro: (thinking: reject!)

Or the guy who, when asked "How does your hobby relate to the practice of Medicine?", and can't even say "It doesn't", and definitely can't even BS an answer, but sits there in a coma?
Thanks for taking the time to write that goro! You should make a “goros guide to interviews”!
 
His lack of acceptances show that OP is not top school material. Should he reapply to a broad spectrum of MD schools, including the top schools that already interviewed him? Of course. But why NOT apply DO just to be safe? If he gets into an MD school anyway, as you seem confident he will, then no harm done - he just drops the DO acceptances. And how many 3 time reapplicants do you think make it into a top 10? Regardless of the "annoying nuances" of being a DO (which may or may not be relevant to OP, maybe he wants to go into primary care or something not competitive), at least you are a doctor at the end of it. It would be stupid of OP not to give himself the best chance of becoming a doctor if he needs to reapply.

Let's look at the symptoms before prescribing a cure.

Applied with strong GPA, exceptionally strong MCAT, research, volunteerism.
Applies broadly.
Gets interviewed by 7 top schools.
Is not interviewed at his state school or any mid-tier schools.

Why are some of you saying that he applied too top heavy??? The only schools that interviewed this applicant were the top schools. If it weren't for the top schools, he'd have had no interviews at all.

So, applying to more mid-tiers is not the solution to this problem.

Seven interviews and no offers but 7 waitlists, to me demonstrates that this applicant is not horrible but is not top pick anywhere. While he can hope that "Interviews 3, doctor you'll be" will come true once the waitlists start to move in May, there is the chance that this applicant will be empty handed at the end of the cycle.

The solution is not to apply to more mid-tiers. The mid-tiers rejected this applicant without interviewing him.

The solution is intensive work on improving social skills in the many ways suggested in the posts above. I'd also suggest Improv classes as a way to think creatively, be more open to communicating on the fly, and keeping a conversation going.
 
I think you will probably get at least one acceptance this cycle. Be patient!
 
First off I feel for you. That’s a tough spot you’re in. But like others have mentioned you just have to wait and prepare your app again (just in case). I’m sure you have an awesome application/great supplemental essay writing skills. Might I suggest studying a little less and partying a little bit more? As weird as it sounds, at most of the schools I interviewed I eneded up talking about regular everyday stuff. Go to a bar and order a tall pint of beer and talk to the people around you. You’ll learn to come out of your shell a little. Best of luck to you. If you live in LA pm me and I’ll get a beer with you lol
 
dude i feel for you. was in a similar position a few years ago and none of the waitlists worked out. just dont let anyone prewsure you to reapply before you feel ready
 
Hey OP, I feel your pain. I’m currently waitlisted at 12 schools with no acceptances, with a 521 MCAT. I think a lot of people on SDN fail to realize there are other reasons adcoms may decide to admit other applicants over you after the interview stage, besides interview performance. Feel free to PM me if you ever want to vent or talk!
 
Hey OP, I feel your pain. I’m currently waitlisted at 12 schools with no acceptances, with a 521 MCAT. I think a lot of people on SDN fail to realize there are other reasons adcoms may decide to admit other applicants over you after the interview stage, besides interview performance. Feel free to PM me if you ever want to vent or talk!

I am sure there will be some traffic after May 1st. Can you specify what “other reasons” mean? Trying to improve things before I send in my application. Thanks.
 
Hey OP, I feel your pain. I’m currently waitlisted at 12 schools with no acceptances, with a 521 MCAT. I think a lot of people on SDN fail to realize there are other reasons adcoms may decide to admit other applicants over you after the interview stage, besides interview performance. Feel free to PM me if you ever want to vent or talk!
I’d like to hear your thoughts about “other reasons”. Persinally I am blaming my interviews for my post II wl’s and rejections but I really thought that all but 1 were quite good.
 
I’d like to hear your thoughts about “other reasons”. Persinally I am blaming my interviews for my post II wl’s and rejections but I really thought that all but 1 were quite good.
How about just straight up numbers?

Every school interviews way more than they'll accept. I don't believe your ECs/GPA/MCAT stop counting once you get to the interview. Say you were a borderline candidate in the first place and had a good interview, but there were enough people interviewed that had better scores/ECs than you to fill the class a couple times over and none of them bombed their interviews. You're SOL just because no one else screwed up enough to give you a chance.
 
How about just straight up numbers?

Every school interviews way more than they'll accept. I don't believe your ECs/GPA/MCAT stop counting once you get to the interview. Say you were a borderline candidate in the first place and had a good interview, but there were enough people interviewed that had better scores/ECs than you to fill the class a couple times over and none of them bombed their interviews. You're SOL just because no one else screwed up enough to give you a chance.

This exactly. Seems like a common misconception shared by some on here is that the main thing that matters post-interview is the interview itself. This is just false, the main thing is still your MCAT/GPA followed by EC's and the interview is just weighted in as a small component among a bunch of others.
 
This exactly. Seems like a common misconception shared by some on here is that the main thing that matters post-interview is the interview itself. This is just false, the main thing is still your MCAT/GPA followed by EC's and the interview is just weighted in as a small component among a bunch of others.
This might hold true for people who are borderline candidates, but harvard isn't going to say "let's waitlist this guy because he has a 3.95, when that gal has a 3.99"


his exactly. Seems like a common misconception shared by some on here is that the main thing that matters post-interview is the interview itself. This is just false, the main thing is still your MCAT/GPA followed by EC's and the interview is just weighted in as a small component among a bunch of others.

And you know this how?
 
I am sure there will be some traffic after May 1st. Can you specify what “other reasons” mean? Trying to improve things before I send in my application. Thanks.

From what I gather, the people reading your initial application to screen for interviews or conducting the interviews are not the same people making the final decision at the end after your interview. The adcom who makes final decisions is taking a different set of factors into account: class composition, political pressure, etc. If too many Asian soccer players from New York have been accepted so far, you may just be out of luck if you're in that category, no matter how well your interview went. In addition, the adcom is under pressure to improve the school's USNWR ranking, which takes things like yield into account. So now if the school suspects they're not your first choice, they might pass you over for someone who has ties to that area or who is more likely to matriculate based on historical trends in who accepts their offers of admission.
 
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From what I gather, the people reading your initial application to screen for interviews or conducting the interviews are not the same people making the final decision at the end after your interview. The adcom who makes final decisions is taking a different set of factors into account: class composition, political pressure, etc. If too many Asian soccer players from New York have been accepted so far, you may just be out of luck if you're in that category, no matter how well your interview went. In addition, the adcom is under pressure to improve the school's USNWR ranking, which takes things like yield into account. So now if the school suspects they're not your first choice, they might pass you over for someone who has ties to that area or who is more likely to matriculate based on historical trends in who accepts their offers of admission.
This may be the case for why you didn't get into one school, but unless too many Asian soccer players from New York applied to med school in general, it is unlikely he didn't meet the class composition requirement at every school.
 
From what I gather, the people reading your initial application to screen for interviews or conducting the interviews are not the same people making the final decision at the end after your interview. The adcom who makes final decisions is taking a different set of factors into account: class composition, political pressure, etc. If too many Asian soccer players from New York have been accepted so far, you may just be out of luck if you're in that category, no matter how well your interview went. In addition, the adcom is under pressure to improve the school's USNWR ranking, which takes things like yield into account. So now if the school suspects they're not your first choice, they might pass you over for someone who has ties to that area or who is more likely to matriculate based on historical trends in who accepts their offers of admission.
This makes sense to me. As a previous poster said, there is just so much talk on SDN particularly by the adcoms that implies (or even flat out states) that any post II decision other than an A means you are a crap interviewer. But numerically, that just can't be the case. They all interview a minimum of 4 times the number of students they need to accept so a lot of interviewees just have to get rejected.
 
but harvard isn't going to say "let's waitlist this guy because he has a 3.95, when that gal has a 3.

This wasn’t the point I was trying to make. My point is that no school ignores everything outside of two 30 minute, mostly superficial conversations when they sit down and decide whether to admit applicants. They use everything.
 
This wasn’t the point I was trying to make. My point is that no school ignores everything outside of two 30 minute, mostly superficial conversations when they sit down and decide whether to admit applicants. They use everything.
That's correct, but SDNers should not focus, moth-like to flame, merely on stats.

But in our own Adcom meetings, I'd estimate that interview performance is the cause of > 90% of rejections and wait listing.
 
Once again, let me trot out my staircase analogy because it fits here. Imagine a broad staircase (not a ladder) with room for many many people on each step. (The steps to the US Capitol, for example). Applicants are grouped on the steps with the "best on paper" on the top steps. The applicants are invited to interview starting with those on the top steps....

After interview, the applicants are re-evaluated and some go back to the place they previously held based on their paper application, some move up one step or several steps, some are moved down a step or moved down to the very bottom ("no way we'll admit this one").

So, your interview performance may influence where you end up at the end of the interview season but where you are is, in part, dictated by where you started after an assessment of your application but before the interview.

When it comes time to admit, the medical school starts at the top of the staircase and works its way down.

I've never seen politics or a desire to admit specific athletic types, etc. To use another analogy, if we have a fruit salad, we take a scoop and get a variety. If we feel we missed out and don't have any cherries, we might take a second spoonful just to pick up our share of the cherries. Going back to the staircase, if we want students with characteristic X and we feel we haven't enough by the time we have just 10 picks left, we might survey the stair containing 50 applicants who are all pretty much equal in terms of performance and cherry pick 10 from that group that have what was lacking from our group of admitted students.
 
I think a lot of people on SDN fail to realize there are other reasons adcoms may decide to admit other applicants over you after the interview stage, besides interview performance.

Exactly. When schools interview around four people for every one acceptance, how can you conclude that 75% of the interviewees interviewed poorly and must be "anti-social"? To use LizzyM's analogy, you may be high enough on the staircase to get an interview, but not high enough to surpass the 25% of candidates that are already 10 steps higher than you before the interview (unless you are one of the rare few that possess the charisma and salesmanship to rival Tony Robbins). It seems like the same ~200 highly desirable candidates are getting multiple acceptances at these top programs, while a majority of interviewees are being wait listed. If you were rejected from all seven schools, then we could safely conclude that something is seriously wrong with your interview skills. It never hurts to practice your interview skills or improve other aspects of your application if you have to reapply, but sometimes it comes down to other factors out of your control.

Keep your chin up and good luck to you OP!
 
Most likely need to work on your interview skills. Maybe you’re coming across as socially awkward or uninterested. Maybe you need to really work in this. I used to have social anxiety disorder but got treatment for it. Even if you aren’t mentally ill maybe you need to get some help with social skills or expose yourself to more social situations. Some safety schools might be yield protecting. Send them an update and letter of intent. Maybe they just assume you have better offers.

Maybe you have a red flag on your app? Are you sure every contact on your application will say good things about you? I ask because I volunteer at a hospital. I know the volunteer coordinator very well. They are known to give negative feedback to schools who call them if they’ve had a problem with a volunteer or lack of commitment. Is there anyone that could potentially do this to you? Maybe you didn’t do anything really bad but untentionally rubbed someone the wrong way.
 
Someone who was captain of the debate team probably doesn't have social anxiety disorder, demonstrate a lack of interest, or would be considered antisocial. There really is a lack of nuance when people see issues as being black or white as an explanation of bad outcomes.

To the OP's admittance, failing to adequately prepare for an interview at a top medical school is really all it takes to get waitlisted when all the other candidates did their homework. Not doing a good case brief will give you performance anxiety because you are attempting to perform with a crappy case. The same goes with interviews, there are many personal questions that can be answered on the back foot. But there are other candidates who are willing to link up those questions to the medical school's mission statement and to use that as an explanation as to why they would be a good fit at the school. Neither response is wrong. But it is an indicator that one applicant has valued the interview and the interview invite on a much higher level of appreciation based on the preparation of their responses. That matters.
 
Many times stats give you the interview, then the interview gets you the acceptance. It seems you bombed the interviews. Practice those skills. Get a social job. You may need those social skills as a doctor.
 
Someone who was captain of the debate team probably doesn't have social anxiety disorder, demonstrate a lack of interest, or would be considered antisocial. There really is a lack of nuance when people see issues as being black or white as an explanation of bad outcomes.

To the OP's admittance, failing to adequately prepare for an interview at a top medical school is really all it takes to get waitlisted when all the other candidates did their homework. Not doing a good case brief will give you performance anxiety because you are attempting to perform with a crappy case. The same goes with interviews, there are many personal questions that can be answered on the back foot. But there are other candidates who are willing to link up those questions to the medical school's mission statement and to use that as an explanation as to why they would be a good fit at the school. Neither response is wrong. But it is an indicator that one applicant has valued the interview and the interview invite on a much higher level of appreciation based on the preparation of their responses. That matters.

Eh. Debate team is not interviewing. I played music professionally for years, but I still hate public speaking and get anxious when I have to stand up and speak. I definitely had a little performance anxiety at my first interview, and maybe even a little at my second (for the first one anyway).
 
Eh. Debate team is not interviewing. I played music professionally for years, but I still hate public speaking and get anxious when I have to stand up and speak. I definitely had a little performance anxiety at my first interview, and maybe even a little at my second (for the first one anyway).
Performance anxiety disorder is usually identified specifically and set apart from social anxiety disorder. Hence why I pointed out that they probably don't have SAD, but likely had a case of performance anxiety because to their own admittance they didn't prepare appropriately for an interview. With the debate team comparison, there is a lot of prep that usually goes into formal debate including doing case preparation either on your own or from a case file and then establishing a VP, VC, and premises that you feel comfortable with arguing within and also being cross-examined. Most debate teams do debate preparation for a significant period of time so you become familiar with possible points and counterpoints. In other words, someone who does debate is thrown into an open variable situation where they have to perform and have prepared for such situations. I think that when stop codon admitted that they didn't put in the leg work, that they really didn't put in the leg work and are more aware of their own failure than initially stipulated.
 
Performance anxiety disorder is usually identified specifically and set apart from social anxiety disorder. Hence why I pointed out that they probably don't have SAD, but likely had a case of performance anxiety because to their own admittance they didn't prepare appropriately for an interview. With the debate team comparison, there is a lot of prep that usually goes into formal debate including doing case preparation either on your own or from a case file and then establishing a VP, VC, and premises that you feel comfortable with arguing within and also being cross-examined. Most debate teams do debate preparation for a significant period of time so you become familiar with possible points and counterpoints. In other words, someone who does debate is thrown into an open variable situation where they have to perform and have prepared for such situations. I think that when stop codon admitted that they didn't put in the leg work, that they really didn't put in the leg work and are more aware of their own failure than initially stipulated.

Oh yep. I was reading on my phone and totally misread your first paragraph.
 
I think you have a good chance of an acceptance, given the lack of multiple acceptance report this cycle, and your stats.
But definitely do have a back up plan. And maybe send a letter of intent to 1 or 2 schools if its carefully done.
Best of luck
 
Absolutely is a seller's market. Since starting school, the average or median MCAT at my school has risen from 512 to 517. That's just crazy.

Assessment: You're a typical high-achieving, socially-bland ORM that medical schools can fill many times over. They don't need to act on you now. People who get in early are 100% solid and meet some aspect of institutional mission. Tells you a bit about the state of things when a publication and 525 is meh.

You'll probably get in from off the waiting list, but medical school admissions is just getting weirder and more unpredictable by the year. They act like they're picking the second coming of Jesus or Mohamed, but in fact, they're picking people for the only viable career in health care remaining.
 
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