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Alright, lets hear it for the number 1 school in the country!!! In all likelihood, this is where I will be next year! Anyone else out there?
I got the wait-list email today. Not a shocker, exactly, but dissappointing nonetheless. The letter said that 30-50% of the class comes from the alternate list, but that means nothing if the alternate list has 3000 people on it! Does anyone know anything about the size of the wait list and how much movement there is on it (and when)?
ooo possible classmate..whats up!Hello possible classmates... I am so happy. I fell in love with Wake when I visited.
does anyone know how they do their grading system at Wake? I interview there tomorrow but couldn't find info on that on their website.
I hope that many more good people get accepted for the class of 2013. Wake Forest is a really good place to go to med school. I'm a 1st year and I'd be glad to answer any questions that aceptees may have in deciding whether or not to come to Wake. I know this is a tough decision, and the more information that you get before you make your decision, the better!
Let me see if I can help. As aintlifegrand said before, our grading system is basically "honors"/"pass"/"fail". As long as you pass the block you wouldn't necessarily have to repeat it, even if you had a less-than-passing score on a single test. Honors is given to those who score over 94% in the block, but upperclassmen tell us that they usually give honors to the top 15% of the class. I don't know if this is true yet or not, us first years have our first final exam this Thursday.
As far as the curriculum itself goes, I can only speak for the Human Structure and Development block which the class of 2012 is now about to complete. In my experience, the curriculum has been very clear, very user-friendly, and very accessible. We have our eWake online curriculum which is basically our daily schedule, showing us what classes we have on a given day. You can click on an individual class and download notes, powerpoints, and other resources, including (after lectures have occurred) you can download the audio files of your lectures. This setup really helps with the day-to-day studying, but it is even better when you go back to review for a final exam, and you have 1 place to go for all the learning resources you can handle! It really is great. Let me know if that doesnt answer your question!
That's great, thanks. I really like the sound of that - one-stop studying is right up my alley (it means I'm more likely to actually do it). The only other curriculum-based question I have has to do with problem-based learning. The website emphasizes it, but doesn't give a clear indication of how much of your classtime is PBL and how much is more conventional - do you like it, do you even notice much of a difference between the two, and do you think it's effective? Was it hard to adjust to at first?
Sorry about all the questions - obviously you shouldn't feel obligated to answer them. Thanks a bunch.
Oh - and any advice for the interview?
From what I have observed, at all schools, there are mixed feelings about problem based learning. Some feel that it is a waste of time, and that that time could be better spent doing other things. My opinion is that it does have some merit and value. It is true that you dedicate (for MSI's at Wake) 2 hours on Monday, and 2 hours on Friday to small group case work. In addition, you must spend some time during the week researching Monday's case so that you'll be prepared for Friday. However, I see that there are at least 2 benefits to our CCL (case-centered learning). First, you do gain knowledge of clinical scenarios that you would not otherwise learn about at this point in your medical education. Second, and perhaps more importantly, you CCL helps you to begin to train your brain to organize the information that you'll need as a physician to come up with a differential diagnosis for your patient. Even in our first block here at Wake, I have seen great improvement in myself and my group members in our ability to extract relevant information from a clinical scenario and begin to integrate this information into a clinical plan and diagnosis. In short, CCL has benefits and drawbacks. In the end, what you get out of CCL will really depend on what you put into it.
For the interviews, just be genuine and relaxed. In my experience, Wake's interviews are highly relaxed compared to other schools. Best of luck!
At what times do students usually get out of class? I know they gave us the schedule, but IMO, its a bit confusing if you don't know the inside workings of their system.
Thank yoU!I hear you. I remember thinking the same thing after interviewing at Wake. Part of this is attributed to the fact that there are so many acronyms on the schedule; but in all honestly it is a great, organized system. To answer the question, the time that students get out of class depends entirely on the particular block that they are in. For instance, I just finished my anatomy (human structure & development) block. In this first block of med school, you are very busy. Anatomy labs start promptly at 8am, and continue for [usually] 3 hours, then lecture begins at 11 and continues to 12 noon [lunch]. Depending on the afternoon, you may or may not have classes (radiology labs, histology labs, CCL, doctor-patient relations, physical exam). Usually, Mondays and Fridays are very busy in this first block, and you dont finish at school until 5pm. However, Tuesday-Wed., you may finish as early as noon. Thursday is typically open, except for Becoming a Physician class in the morning.
I cant comment much about second year schedules, but now that anatomy is over, first years get quite a bit of time back. We have new classes, but without the time-consuming labs, we should get more of a life! We have much more in terms of lectures, but no labs, and no returning to the labs at night will really make life easier! Hope this helps, as always let me know if it doesnt.
I don't know what year you are, but maybe you can answer this question. What does the third and fourth year schedules look like. I've heard at most schools 3rd year is very hard and fourth year is more laid back with less time at the hospitals than third year. Is this true here too?
, woot woot!This is kind of surreal, finally moving over to the Allopathic forum, instead of the pre-Allopathic one.
Wake Forest is just great. I haven't finalized it, but I feel like this may be where I go. Thumbs up for being in the same class and school as Chubby, .
Good morning! So let me clarify my comments about PBL, especially in reference to the way Wake does it. During your first year, the PBL class is awesome for a couple of reasons. It allows you to get out of the lecture hall and interact with others. You have a lot of lectures and after a while, those get boring, so its important to switch up how things are taught. But I think the most important reason why its a good course first year is that it teaches you to think critically and start to think clinically. Coming up with a differential diagnosis is not intuitive. Hearing a patient's case and trying to weed out the extraneous stuff from the signs and symptoms that are important is a skill that is learned by doing, not by teaching. So PBL first year is a great place to get your feet wet and start learning this stuff. My class had no problem with that course at all.
But we did have issues with the PBL-type course second year. They had started it the year before, and changed it up before we took it. But we made them change it numerous times throughout the year as well. It wasn't the fact that it was PBL, we had issues with the format, which from what I've heard from current second years, is much much better. The difference between the course first year and the one second year, is that the first year course is truly small group - 7-8 people and one proctor. During second year, you are in a small group, but sitting in a large room with the rest of the small groups and all of you interact with a proctor. Its sort of hard to explain it without actually seeing how it works.
Overall though, PBL can be good or bad, depending on how your school utilizes it. Wake uses it to teach you how to make differential diagnoses and think clinically, a skill you may not have learned until you were a brand new third year. So its a great thing in my opinion. Hope this helps!
I wont hear from Wake for another week or so but i would LOVE to go here.
For the current students:
Do either of you mind posting in your opinion what the actual yearly cost of attending wake is? I know they budget just under 60K, but roughly, what were you able to live off of? 45K/yr? 50? Just looking for a more realistic idea of cost. Thanks for all of the great info so far
Hey, my guess is that my totals come out to about 50K each year, maybe a little more. 60K is a little high I think. <shrug> just depends on how you choose to live.
So I'll most likely be at Wake next year too.
For those already there--where do most students live? Are there any apartments/houses close to the med school?
Happy New Year! Students at Wake live all over the place. A bunch of us live right near the hospital in the historic district of Ardmore. Some rent houses, some buy. Others have bought condos out from school maybe 5 miles. Lots of people rent apartments. It's a really good mix but its all really affordable. If you have any more questions, feel free to ask. Later!
jllander makes a good point. Compared to lots of other places, Winston-Salem is a very affordable place to find housing within walking/short driving distance of the hospital. A lot of students rent homes together (in the Ardmore neighborhood) to save some $.
If I am looking to buy a house in a neighborhood within walking/biking/or 5 minute driving distance of the school, which neighborhoods would you recommend? I'm preferably looking for a more family friendly neighborhood since I'm older and I'd be moving my family with me. Any names of areas would be appreciated just so I have an easier time searching for real estate. Thanks.
Bump... So who is planning on going to Wake? This thread is absolutely dead, are people just not sure if they are going to go to Wake or has Wake just not admitted a very large portion of its class yet?
so when are people who are attending Wake going to start getting housing etc...i know orientation starts at the end of July...so June-ish to start looking?
Just got accepted to Wake! And seeing as I already live in Winston-Salem, there's a good chance this is where I'll wind up. I'm still waiting to hear from a couple other places, and I won't make any decisions until financial aid packages come in, but I'm excited for Wake nonetheless.
If you want to buy, definitely start earlier -- I started looking for houses in late June and wound up nearly tearing my hair out. It's not that finding something is difficult, but when you start school, you hit the ground running. You definitely don't want to be unpacking during orientation; you want to be hanging out with your fellow classmates and us (MS2012)!
I would aim for a move in date of 13 July. That will give you two full weeks to explore Winston, unpack, and get yourself settled, and a weekend to go on the camping trip.
That's at least what I wish I did.
Anybody have cheaper health insurance that is not through the school? Does anyone know what all is covered by the school's health insurance plan? Info would be greatly appreciated.
Anybody have cheaper health insurance that is not through the school? Does anyone know what all is covered by the school's health insurance plan? Info would be greatly appreciated.