Wall Street Journal - Dentists Vs. Physicians

[Dr.BadVibes]

Here is an interesting article comparing the lives of a dentist and a physician, which I thought my med counterparts would find interesting. Basically it shows that dentists make more money and work less hours....plus we dont have to do a residency after dental school. Enjoy!

http://online.wsj.com/article_email/0,,SB110531516417121170-H9jgYNhlaF4nJynZICHaaWEm4,00.html

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[Doko]

I think we're all in the wrong field...

healthy teeth = brighter smile = more money = more chicks = more bedroom time = happier me!

 

[Fantasy Sports]

Here is an interesting article comparing the lives of a dentist and a physician, which I thought my med counterparts would find interesting. Basically it shows that dentists make more money and work less hours....plus we dont have to do a residency after dental school. Enjoy!

http://online.wsj.com/article_email/0,,SB110531516417121170-H9jgYNhlaF4nJynZICHaaWEm4,00.html

Yeah, but at the end of the day, you're just cleaning people's teeth... and not really saving anyone's life to boot.

I've noticed that dentists in general try to gloat as much as possible to their medical counterparts about hours/pay/etc. I think that tells you more about the motivations of dentists more than anything else, and more likely, their inferiority complex (I mean, how many TV dramas have been made about dentists? "WE NEED BRIGHT STRIPS IN ROOM 119 STAT!! ")

Also, I think its convenient that the comparison is made between a suburban dentist and an urban general practioner. I mean, why not just compare Ross Medical School grads to Harvard Dental School grads and write an article about that (I actually dont know what the best dental school is, or even whether Harvard has one for that matter).

But have fun cleaning teeth for the rest of your life, I'm sure there is no chance that an advanced toothbrush or dental coating won't replace 75% of your job in the future.

 

[Reckoning]

Also, I think its convenient that the comparison is made between a suburban dentist and an urban general practioner.

Not to mention the dentist is in Philly and the family-practise doctor is in Pittsburgh. The comparison is a little sensational. Whatever.

Teeth just don't do it for me.

 

[visualwealth]

some of the comments here are so harsh!!

 

[Reckoning]

some of the comments here are so harsh!!

I never knew there was any kind of rivalry either. Again, whatever. To each his own.

 

[Dr.BadVibes]

Yeah, but at the end of the day, you're just cleaning people's teeth... and not really saving anyone's life to boot.

I've noticed that dentists in general try to gloat as much as possible to their medical counterparts about hours/pay/etc. I think that tells you more about the motivations of dentists more than anything else, and more likely, their inferiority complex (I mean, how many TV dramas have been made about dentists? "WE NEED BRIGHT STRIPS IN ROOM 119 STAT!! ")

Also, I think its convenient that the comparison is made between a suburban dentist and an urban general practioner. I mean, why not just compare Ross Medical School grads to Harvard Dental School grads and write an article about that (I actually dont know what the best dental school is, or even whether Harvard has one for that matter).

But have fun cleaning teeth for the rest of your life, I'm sure there is no chance that an advanced toothbrush or dental coating won't replace 75% of your job in the future.

so is every aspect of medicine "life saving"??? Gimme a break! When did Family Medicine become life saving??? How bout Dermatology, a popular medical field, that isnt involved in "life saving" techniques.....do you look down upon them? I Hope not, cause these are your future counterparts..... so tHere are many many disciplines involved in medicine that are not "life saving" professions, so I still dont understand how your argument is valid???

Oh yah, by the way last time I went to the dentist, the hot hygenist was cleaning my teeth, not the dentist.

 

[Reckoning]

Oh yah, by the way last time I went to the dentist, the hot hygenist was cleaning my teeth, not the dentist.

Come to think of it when a woman puts sharp metal implements in my mouth, I get all horny, too. Wait, no I don't.

 

[zidanereal2003]

so is every aspect of medicine "life saving"??? Gimme a break! When did Family Medicine become life saving??? How bout Dermatology, a popular medical field, that isnt involved in "life saving" techniques.....do you look down upon them? THere are many many disciplines involved in medicine that are not "life saving" professions....

Oh yah, by the way last time I went to the dentist, the hot hygenist was cleaning my teeth, not the dentist.

You guys just do what you like.. Some dentists saves life.. Oral surgeons does
Some doctors don't save life..
I will give an example:
Plastic surgeon most of them do cosmetic plastic surgeory (it is like a dentist trying to make ur smile better) A plastic surgeon tries to make u look better..

There are many other docotors who do not save life..

Plus, dentistry is not just about cleaning teeth..

It is been always like this between dentists and doctors.

 

[DrThom]

Anything you can do I can do better...

 

[CarleneM]

so is every aspect of medicine "life saving"??? Gimme a break! When did Family Medicine become life saving??? How bout Dermatology, a popular medical field, that isnt involved in "life saving" techniques.....do you look down upon them? THere are many many disciplines involved in medicine that are not "life saving" professions....

Oh yah, by the way last time I went to the dentist, the hot hygenist was cleaning my teeth, not the dentist.

family medicine docs make referrals that could be life saving as well as providing meds for stuff that otherwise could get very serious and life-threatening very fast. a big part of dermatology is skin cancer. look, you come to a pre-allo forum bragging about how much better your field is than the md and expect people to be all nice? there are pros and cons to each field and I think we all can agree on that. different strokes for different folks...end of story. oh and there are also some medical specialities with lower hours/high pay and vice versa dentists who work a ton.

 

[Ross434]

dentists dont even clean teeth, its the technician that does that.. dentists deal with injuries and health problems just like doctors. Its just that they do it in the mouth instead of in the rest of the body. People who get paid to clean teeth make like 40k/year, and yes, they are easily replaced by toothbrushes.. people who fill cavities and drill in your mouth and replace your teeth and do procedures are worth a lot more, and deserve it.


btw, heres an article about increasing physician salaries

http://www.deltamedcon.com/MHC/

 

[Pinkertinkle]

Basically it shows that dentists make more money and work less hours....plus we dont have to do a residency after dental school. Enjoy!

http://online.wsj.com/article_email/0,,SB110531516417121170-H9jgYNhlaF4nJynZICHaaWEm4,00.html

Thank you for sharing that. Please leave.

 

[vhawk]

Here's another article along the same lines...

-America, January 10, 2005

In a recent study, the World Statistics Bureau has found that MDs are between 64-78% cooler than DOs. Thats right, that old wives tale you have been hearing since you were a kid is true, and we now have the figures to back it up. Coolness was determined based on scores in five categories: prestige, pay, average MCAT score, ability to get residency and coin flip. A survey of 1900 MDs and 6 DOs was used as the sample data in a double blind study, with placebos and all sorts of data collection, etc... Truly this is a landmark discovery for the field of medicine, and also whatever "osteopathy" is.

 

[SanDiegoSOD]

The Pittsburgh family doc is unlikely maximizing his earning potential, and we therefore have a very flawed article. The spotlighted dentist is doing everything he can to make money - whitening procedures, crowns, veneers, etc., procedures that are most often optional and paid out of pocket. The family doc is unlikely doing the same thing in his field; I doubt he is administering botox shots, microdermabrasions, etc., that many physicians are beginning to do to increase their revenue. His income could also likely be increased by hiring Physician Assistants and/or Nurse Practicioners that can handle many of his patients, with the doc only signing off on the orders. This could be particulary effective in handling the Medicare patients - as the reimbursement is lower for those patients, the Medicare patients could be exclusively handled by the PAs and NPs, increasing physician efficiency among higher paying customers (note: we are talking business here, not medical ethics, so don't get mad at me).
My take home point here is that while dentists do have the upper hand over general practicioner physians in compensation/time, there are many things that the business-savvy physician can do to increase his income. Some family docs are making $300k or more, and for the specialist, the sky is the limit ($750k +++)

 

[dr_benj]

I have a lot of respect for MDs. I would agree that physicians do deal with more life and death issues than do dentists (although dentists are responsible for diagnosing life threatening illnesses and cancers). Thats one advantage of dentistry for me (less stress). I am grateful, however, that there are people willing to be MDs. Our fields are very different but both very important. Every person has their own reasons for choosing their respective fields. As long as you love what you're doing you shouldn't care how others view you. I hope that you can respect our field as much as we respect yours. It shouldn't be MD vs. DDS or vice versa. Both fields are different from each other and important in their own right. They both deserve mutual respect.

 

[MWillie]

I don't have much respect for dental students who post stuff like this:

"Hey guys look at me, I'll have better hours and better pay, go me!"

oh and let's not forget

"Enjoy! "

 

[Dr.BadVibes]

family medicine docs make referrals that could be life saving as well as providing meds for stuff that otherwise could get very serious and life-threatening very fast. a big part of dermatology is skin cancer. look, you come to a pre-allo forum bragging about how much better your field is than the md and expect people to be all nice? there are pros and cons to each field and I think we all can agree on that. different strokes for different folks...end of story. oh and there are also some medical specialities with lower hours/high pay and vice versa dentists who work a ton.

I didnt come here to brag per se.....but I have encountered my fair share of pre meds who are cocky and think they are superior and I just like to put them in their place sometimes. For the ones that are not cocky, thats cool, cause I have a lot of respect for MDs just as they should have alot of respect for DMDs.

Oh yah, and good point about the dermatology and skin cancer, but have you ever heard of oral cancer???? Neither have I...I just clean teeth for a living!!

and by the way, there are also many dental specialties w/ lower hours/higher pay as well.....Orthodontists were rated the #3 most overpaid profession in the entire country....

 

[3rdMolarRoller]

My wife is a PA...a new one at that. She has only been in the work force for 4 months. She has already had 3 patients referred to her practice (well not hers but the doc she works for) for skin cancer by a dentist.

Yeah we don't operate and take away lesion beyond the oral cavity, but we are trained to find abnormalities and refer to the right people.

and as a dentist, $hit even a student, I do not clean teeth. That is up to my hygenist.

Don't be pissed the mal-practice and insurance hasn't ruined our field. We look to our brothers (the MD's) and learn what not to do

 

[MWillie]

I didnt come here to brag per se.....but I have encountered my fair share of pre meds who are cocky and think they are superior and I just like to put them in their place sometimes.

Is that why you're here?

 

[bgreet]

How bout Dermatology, a popular medical field, that isnt involved in "life saving" techniques.....

Reminds me of that seinfield episode where Jerry makes fun of his current girlfriend who is a dermatologist for saying she saves lives. Then he learns about her patients that had skin cancer. Bet you feel an aweful lot like Jerry at this moment.

 

[Dr.BadVibes]

Reminds me of that seinfield episode where Jerry makes fun of his current girlfriend who is a dermatologist for saying she saves lives. Then he learns about her patients that had skin cancer. Bet you feel an awefully like Jerry at this moment.

good episode!! but I think it was more about making fun of the fact that every doctor thinks that just because they are an MD, they are "saving lives"......geez, if you wanna analyze it to death, the guy who fixes and paves roads also saves lives, otherwise the road would get to bumpy and cause accidents....

Im a future dentist and I know for a fact that I wont be saving lives.....at least I can admit it though....

 

[3rdMolarRoller]

Im a future dentist and I know for a fact that I wont be saving lives.....at least I can admit it though....

You are so wrong...you will save a life, maybe lives. I'm not sure about your training but here we get a lot of exposure to oral cancer.

Its only a 50% survival rate it you get it. So if you catch at least one case you have saved a life. And I'm sure over your life time as a dentist you will see one case.

yeah we may not save countless lives, but one is better than none.

 

[Dr.BadVibes]

You are so wrong...you will save a life, maybe lives. I'm not sure about your training but here we get a lot of exposure to oral cancer.

Its only a 50% survival rate it you get it. So if you catch at least one case you have saved a life. And I'm sure over your life time as a dentist you will see one case.

yeah we may not save countless lives, but one is better than none.

Well obviously this is the case....but what I meant was that Im not gonna go around and tell people I save lives or look down on people who dont save lives like that seinfeld episode....thats all I was saying....

 

[drguy22]

Well obviously this is the case....but what I meant was that Im not gonna go around and tell people I save lives or look down on people who dont save lives like that seinfeld episode....thats all I was saying....

this is really ridiculous...wats your point in posting that stupid article in a PRE-ALLO forum...i just dont understand wat point you are trying to make....lets see...

i can see you as a person that wanted to go to medical school...but couldnt do it..so you ended up in dental school....now to make your self feel better your comin in these forums and posting that stupid article...maybe im right maybe im wrong....

Dentistry is a respectible field.. everyone needs their teeth cleaned once in a while by a professional teeth cleaner..dont get me wrong....but there was no need for you to come in here and start a war.

 

[swifteagle43]

This is exactly why we need to get paid more! Government and insurance companys are screwing over doctors!

 

[Blake]

Good. At least we'll make sure some folks aren't entering medicine for money.

 

[Fantasy Sports]

so is every aspect of medicine "life saving"??? Gimme a break! When did Family Medicine become life saving??? How bout Dermatology, a popular medical field, that isnt involved in "life saving" techniques.....do you look down upon them? I Hope not, cause these are your future counterparts..... so tHere are many many disciplines involved in medicine that are not "life saving" professions, so I still dont understand how your argument is valid???

Oh yah, by the way last time I went to the dentist, the hot hygenist was cleaning my teeth, not the dentist.

Family Practice is life saving. They are on the front lines of vaccination and providing basic health care. In most rural areas, they not only are the infectious disease department, but the ob/gyn and internal medicine department unto themselves. And I just have to sit here laughing as a pre-dentist is trying to tell us that a family practice doctor isn't saving lives. Because we all know fixing that chipped tooth is lifesaving

Honestly, you come to a premed messageboard and post a BS article about how you have it better and you expect to be treated well? Give me a break. You're just a spoiled brat who probably wasn't smart enough to finish up your premed requirements so you're here trying to make yourself feel better about having to settle for dentisty. Pathetic.

And not only that, you bring a weakarse piece of journalism comparing a suburban dentist doing everything he can to bring in the bling with an urban family practice doctor who is likely helping thousands of unfortunate patients a year. Wow, you think?

You know, there is more to life than fixing chipped teeth and recommending cosmetic whitening. Some of us actually want to make a difference in people's lives. Some of us want to be in rapidly advancing fields that will cure the world of such ill as malaria and HIV and cancer and heart disease. And some of us want to be the ones that parents send christmas cards to every year because we saved their kids life.

So yeah, there are many reasons we're plenty happy with going into medicine. Oh yeah, and if happiness is simply your criterion of bringing in the bling-- well, most of us make a lot of money too. All the while making the world a better place.

Have fun putting in crowns the rest of your life. Because I sure as hell would be depressed in a field with very little research, intellectual stimulation, or respect-- even if it is 40 hours a week. But hey, if money is the only thing that matters to you-- you should have done i-banking. You'd end up making a ton more.

And next time you try to get cute and post stuff like this, just remember, you're much worse than the "cocky" premeds who owned you in undergrad and who you couldn't compete against to get into med school. Because at least we don't go around posting yellow journalism in some egoistic attempt to justify our career choice. It's quite sad, really.

 

[Fantasy Sports]

Well obviously this is the case....but what I meant was that Im not gonna go around and tell people I save lives or look down on people who dont save lives like that seinfeld episode....thats all I was saying....

That's because you don't save lives. And you're right, you don't look down on people who don't save lives. You look down on people who get paid less than you to save lives. That's why you're pathetic.

I'm glad you're not a doctor. We don't need your kind. Yes, the financial rewards of being a doctor are great, but if you don't care about helping people, you're just going to end up hurting people. So in a way, Im glad dentistry exists so that people like you have a place to make your money, pretend you're a real doctor, and not end up hurting people since all you seem to care about is the money and lifestyle.

I didnt come here to brag per se.....but I have encountered my fair share of pre meds who are cocky and think they are superior and I just like to put them in their place sometimes. For the ones that are not cocky, thats cool, cause I have a lot of respect for MDs just as they should have alot of respect for DMDs.

Of course you came over here to brag. Gimme a break.

And how are you any better than the cocky premeds? In fact, you're no better than them by posting this crap. So you have no right to claim that premeds are cocky, when you come into a PREMED forum and try to brag about lifestyle. You really do sound like someone who couldn't get into medical school and had to settle for dental school, and now you're trying to satisfy your ego by showing a false comparison that shows that dentists make more than doctors in one specific instance (though that is not the general trend at all)

So yeah, you're worse than the cocky premeds, because at least they don't hide behind the internet to make lame arguments based on biased anecdotal evidence. And to be honest, based on your posts so far, I actually DO think those premeds are superior to you. Because they're not conniving money-hungry arrogant posers who are trying to compensate for a fragile ego.

 

[3rdMolarRoller]

Family Practice is life saving. They are on the front lines of vaccination and providing basic health care. In most rural areas, they not only are the infectious disease department, but the ob/gyn and internal medicine department unto themselves. And I just have to sit here laughing as a pre-dentist is trying to tell us that a family practice doctor isn't saving lives. Because we all know fixing that chipped tooth is lifesaving

Honestly, you come to a premed messageboard and post a BS article about how you have it better and you expect to be treated well? Give me a break. You're just a spoiled brat who probably wasn't smart enough to finish up your premed requirements so you're here trying to make yourself feel better about having to settle for dentisty. Pathetic.

And not only that, you bring a weakarse piece of journalism comparing a suburban dentist doing everything he can to bring in the bling with an urban family practice doctor who is likely helping thousands of unfortunate patients a year. Wow, you think?

You know, there is more to life than fixing chipped teeth and recommending cosmetic whitening. Some of us actually want to make a difference in people's lives. Some of us want to be in rapidly advancing fields that will cure the world of such ill as malaria and HIV and cancer and heart disease. And some of us want to be the ones that parents send christmas cards to every year because we saved their kids life.

So yeah, there are many reasons we're plenty happy with going into medicine. Oh yeah, and if happiness is simply your criterion of bringing in the bling-- well, most of us make a lot of money too. All the while making the world a better place.

Have fun putting in crowns the rest of your life. Because I sure as hell would be depressed in a field with very little research, intellectual stimulation, or respect-- even if it is 40 hours a week. But hey, if money is the only thing that matters to you-- you should have done i-banking. You'd end up making a ton more.

And next time you try to get cute and post stuff like this, just remember, you're much worse than the "cocky" premeds who owned you in undergrad and who you couldn't compete against to get into med school. Because at least we don't go around posting yellow journalism in some egoistic attempt to justify our career choice. It's quite sad, really.

another pre- med thinking they are God. At dental schools there is a ton of reseach beyond the oral cavity. Here are a few examples from JUST my school:

NYUCD in Phase I Drug Study to Treat Rare Dermatological Disorder
http://www.nyu.edu/dental/news/drugstudy.html

Federally-Funded Nanotechnology Development Research
Underway at NYU College of Dentistry
http://www.nyu.edu/dental/news/nanotechnyu.html

NYU College of Dentistry Participates in Federally-Funded
Breast Cancer Research Project
http://www.nyu.edu/dental/news/nyubreastcancer.html

NYU College of Dentistry Receives $2 Million in
NIH Funding for Osteoporosis Research
http://www.nyu.edu/dental/news/legeroosteo.html

Researchers Publish Dentists’ Guide to Bioterrorism and Catastrophe Response
http://www.nyu.edu/dental/news/bioterror.html

A Risk of Having a Premature or Low Birth-Weight Baby Due to Mouth Infections - Dr. David Sirois - Quicktime Video
http://www.nyu.edu/dental/news/pregnancy.mov
Connection Between Periodontal Diseases and Diabetes - Dr. Anthony Vernillo - Quicktime Video
http://www.nyu.edu/dental/news/diabetes.mov

There is a ton more if you would like

 

[3rdMolarRoller]

I bet you pre-meds don't even realize that at many schools dental and medical students share the SAME FACULTY AND STAFF AND OH MY GOD EVEN TAKE THE SAME EXAMS!!!

Get off you high horses people. You are just another profession just as we are!!

 

[Fantasy Sports]

At dental schools there is a ton of reseach beyond the oral cavity. Here are a few examples from JUST my school:

Oh wow, that research is just so incredible. I mean, there is no way that medical schools could ever hope to even match a fraction of the AWESOME research power that are dental schools. I mean, everytime I turn on the TV, all I hear about are how this new clinical trial at Harvard Dental School is having life-changing implications on millions.

Or when I read about the Nobel Prize, I am just getting so annoyed by these dental schools just monopolizing the prizes. I mean, honestly, who thought gingivitis could get a clean sweep of the Nobel Prize for a decade running?

And all those prestigious Dental journals that are all over the news. Like today I was watching the news and the New England Journal of Dentistry had a report that brushing your teeth 4 times a day was shown in double blind studies to be more effective than not brushing at all. It changed my life!

There is a good reason you don't hear about dental research on the news. Ill let you figure out why. Ill give you a hint. It has something to do with the personality of people who choose dentistry, and an aversion to intellectual inquiry.

And frankly, I am being way more extreme about my views on dentists than I actually feel, but I feel dentists posting this kind of bullcrap on a PREMED forum deserved to be put back in their place, to use the words of the OP.

 

[juddson]

personally, I think that Dentists should have to go to medical school. If I were king I would close all the dental schools, open more med schools spots and have dentistry as a seperate field with residency, etc. I don't understand what it is about dentistry that obviates the need for a comprehensive medical education followed by a residency on your chosen field, even if that field is "general dentistry". A dentist performs surgery in the oral cavity, involving all three of the embryological layers. What they do there has the potential to impact and influence the physiology of the entire body, including (but not limited to) systemic microbial infection and the antomy of the neck and head. The oral cavity (and its contents down to where the dentist is able to carry out observation), nasal and nasopharynx is often a potential window into the physiology of every system in the body and therefore the dentist is potentially often in a position to make diagnoses (or referrals) of many systemic pathologies.

Moreover, a dentist is also in charge of the administration of both systemic and local anesthetics, as well as various anti-biotics and analgesics, all of which can have a profound effect on the systemic physiologies and can, potentially, introduce pathologies there. It is quite beyond me why the dentist may get away without an in-depth course (or courses) on the physiology of the renal or gastric systems while an orthopeadic surgeon or psychiatrist, whose practice touches them no more than a dentist) must himself submit to these indignities. The DDS is the specialist of the oral cavity and its contents, and his craft is as related to the systemic parts of the body every bit as much as that of the hand surgeon, opthalmologist, psychiatrist and dermatologist (to name a few). Why isn't he a medical doctor first, and a dentist second?

Judd

 

[drguy22]

i found this in ur first link..

The study’s principal investigator is Dr. Grant Anhalt Professor of Dermatology and Pathology and Vice Chairman for Dermatology, Johns Hopkins School of Medicine. Dr. Bruce Strober, an Assistant Professor of Dermatology at NYU School of Medicine, is the principal investigator for the NYU trial. The other co-investigator for NYU, in addition to Dr. Ship, is Dr. Andrew Alexis, a dermatology fellow at the NYU School of Medicine.

its interesting to note that most of your dental school's research is by a prof. of basic science, which I agree is shared by THE MEDICAL SCHOOL as well. I didnt even see anywhere where they are DMD's....there arent very many DMD's doing much research.

 

[3rdMolarRoller]

well put judd

Something my father in law ( an ER Doc) and wife (a PA ) keep telling me.

As for Fantasy...just another arrogant pre-med

 

[delicious]

personally, I think that Dentists should have to go to medical school. If I were king I would close all the dental schools, open more med schools spots and have dentistry as a seperate field with residency, etc. I don't understand what it is about dentistry that obviates the need for a comprehensive medical education followed by a residency on your chosen field, even if that field is "general dentistry". A dentist performs surgery in the oral cavity, involving all three of the embryological layers. What they do there has the potential to impact and influence the physiology of the entire body, including (but not limited to) systemic microbial infection and the antomy of the neck and head. The oral cavity (and its contents down to where the dentist is able to carry out observation), nasal and nasopharynx is often a potential window into the physiology of every system in the body and therefore the dentist is potentially often in a position to make diagnoses (or referrals) of many systemic pathologies.

Moreover, a dentist is also in charge of the administration of both systemic and local anesthetics, as well as various anti-biotics and analgesics, all of which can have a profound effect on the systemic physiologies and can, potentially, introduce pathologies there. It is quite beyond me why the dentist may get away without an in-depth course (or courses) on the physiology of the renal or gastric systems while an orthopeadic surgeon or psychiatrist, whose practice touches them no more than a dentist) must himself submit to these indignities. The DDS is the specialist of the oral cavity and its contents, and his craft is as related to the systemic parts of the body every bit as much as that of the hand surgeon, opthalmologist, psychiatrist and dermatologist (to name a few). Why isn't he a medical doctor first, and a dentist second?

Judd

Dentistry is a specialty of medicine in some european countries. It's not done this way here because it's impractical. How could you magically just increase medical seats in this country by 4000 or so?

 

[3rdMolarRoller]

Dentistry is a specialty of medicine in some european countries. It's not done this way here because it's impractical. How could you magically just increase medical seats in this country by 4000 or so?

Oh boy...more dental people are joining in.

Do I smell a closed thread soon???

 

[Fantasy Sports]

Oh boy...more dental people are joining in.

Do I smell a closed thread soon???

Don't act so indignant. If I went to the dentist's forum and started a thread about how dentists get paid less, are less respected, don't learn as much, and don't save lives, I would DESERVE to get flamed in return.

And that is just what is happening here, in reverse.

And please, keep telling yourself that anyone who disagrees with you is arrogant. Since obviously defending your profession from a egotistical flamer is obviously arrogant. Spare me the histrionics (and for you dentists out there, histrionics basically means overreacting)

You come into a premed messageboard and try to show off and you get burned and called out for being full of crap. You should have just avoided this thread, realizing you're fighting a losing battle instigated by the OP trying to compensate for a fragile ego.

The saying is, when you play with fire... you're going to get burned. So before you go crying to mommy, remember that you guys started this-- so don't expect us to just roll over.

[Oh yeah, and there's nothing "pre" about this medical student]

 

[Docta "O"]

i think the two fields definitely have their differences in life experience, and I'm sure that for many people thats where the decision lies, at least for me anyway.

 

[goheel]

over $160 K/ year? not bad for med school rejects

I'm just keeping it real. Everybody knows most dental students are med school rejects. Dental school is my backup plan too.

 

[bryan45876]

over $160 K/ year? not bad for med school rejects

I'm just keeping it real. Everybody knows most dental students are med school rejects. Dental school is my backup plan too.

I don't think that could be any farther from the truth. I'd like to think that my stats/background could get me into any type of graduate school I aspired to be in. Dentistry is the better fit for me and I would venture to say that is the same for the majority of dental students.

 

[3rdMolarRoller]

over $160 K/ year? not bad for med school rejects

I'm just keeping it real. Everybody knows most dental students are med school rejects. Dental school is my backup plan too.

Just don't mention that at the interview

You never wanted to practice medicine at a dental school interview

But I must warn you. We had a third year medical student leave med school to come to dental school. He ended up dropping out of dental school because he hated it. i think he went back to med school.

I have a few friends that were pre-meds with no med school future and are pretty unhappy.

So before you make the leap, make sure its for you

 

[Sarikate]

Wow! I feel the flames licking my toes! I hear the roar of the ocean of fire! I hear the infernal screams of the warriors as they charge towards each other, swords aflight!

 

[derf]

why doesn't someone bump that old 'physician vs pharmacist' thread from a few months back and let all hell break loose in the allo forum.

 

[SanDiegoSOD]

why doesn't someone bump that old 'physician vs pharmacist' thread from a few months back and let all hell break loose in the allo forum.

You bump that thread, I'll bump one or two MD vs. DO threads, someone trash Island medical schools, and we'll call it a day!

 

[excite4]

over $160 K/ year? not bad for med school rejects

I'm just keeping it real. Everybody knows most dental students are med school rejects. Dental school is my backup plan too.

I agree that the OP should not have posted this article here and personally I thought the article portrayed the dentist as a greedy person who would do anything to make more money. Furthermore, it didnt give the doctor any credit for his good will. He puts in a lot of time and effort to help people. But not all dentists are like the one in the article and not all doctors are like the one in the article. I am sure there are many physicians and pre-meds out there who are VERY concerned with the amount of money they will make.

But I find it really sad that many pre-meds (most of whom won't get in to medical school anyway) think that dental students are med school rejects. I have never applied to medical school, I have a 4.0 GPA, and am extremely confident that I can get into med school if I wanted. Moreover, I am a better student than many of pre-meds at my university. But that profession is just not for me. The attitude of people like goheel (see quote) is exactly what the OP was reffering to when he talked about snobby pre-meds. Obviously we are all intelligent people here so please don't make dumb generalizations about a whole body of people based on the actions of a few.

 

[fun8stuff]

so is every aspect of medicine "life saving"??? Gimme a break! When did Family Medicine become life saving??? How bout Dermatology, a popular medical field, that isnt involved in "life saving" techniques.....do you look down upon them? I Hope not, cause these are your future counterparts..... so tHere are many many disciplines involved in medicine that are not "life saving" professions, so I still dont understand how your argument is valid???

Oh yah, by the way last time I went to the dentist, the hot hygenist was cleaning my teeth, not the dentist.

umm... ever hear of skin cancer?? it is an up and rising problem too....

family docs save plenty of lives... for one my brother's FP diagnosed him with diabetes after he missed like 2 weeks of school

I for one would be bored to tears if i was a dentist. Do you actually know anyone who does not dread the dentist (besides kids)? And to have to commit ones entire life to one small area.... blah... almost as bad as pharmacy (what i switched out of)

 

[MWillie]

Damn these rowdy dental students, I think we should start a forum war.

 

[Fantasy Sports]

I have never applied to medical school, I have a 4.0 GPA, and am extremely confident that I can get into med school if I wanted. Moreover, I am a better student than many of pre-meds at my university. But that profession is just not for me. The attitude of people like goheel (see quote) is exactly what the OP was reffering to when he talked about snobby pre-meds.

Wow. Speaking of hypocritic:

"I have a 4.0 GPA, and am extremely confident that I can get into med school if I wanted"

"I am a better student than many of pre-meds at my university"

"he talked about snobby pre-meds"

Are you dental students really that clueless about how hypocritic you sound?

Give me a break. I can't imagine anything snobbier than going to a PREMED messageboard as a dental student and posting an article about SALARY (and not a good article at that, since its comparing the obviously richer suburban dentist to a poorer urban family practice doc). So all you dental students talking about snobby premeds... I think you've completely lost all sense of reality in posting on this thread after a DENTAL student trying to brag about having a higher salary. THATs snobby.

 

[ByrnBabyByrn]

But I find it really sad that many pre-meds (most of whom won't get in to medical school anyway) think that dental students are med school rejects. I have never applied to medical school, I have a 4.0 GPA, and am extremely confident that I can get into med school if I wanted. Moreover, I am a better student than many of pre-meds at my university. But that profession is just not for me. The attitude of people like goheel (see quote) is exactly what the OP was reffering to when he talked about snobby pre-meds. Obviously we are all intelligent people here so please don't make dumb generalizations about a whole body of people based on the actions of a few.

Did you happen to notice all the smilies in goheel's post? He's just messing with you so no need to get defensive. Of course there are people like you who choose dentistry over medicine but that doesn't diminish the fact that it's a lot harder to get into med school than dental school. Just look at the under 3.0 club thread in the pre-dent forum. It's like 35 pages long. I've never met anyone who got into med school with under a 3.0.