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Looks like I'll be in Detroit in the Fall. Anyone else? I know their class is somewhere around 300, so there has to be someone...right? Anybody?
 

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a lot of us are waiting for this wednesday... hopefully I'll be with you guys
 
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Well, I hope you get in UMP. So there'll be at least one other person to BS about on Wayne.
 

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ok, so given that the current second years have run their thread into the ground and no one else has started a class specific one for us, I figured I'd bite.

...about 50/50 on choosing WSU at the moment.

actually the original wayne thread was started by the current 3rd years in their first year 2 years ago. another one (part 2) was started.... all years have been posting there...
 

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What up all!! Was accepted to Wayne State a little while ago and will most likely be attending.
 

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Well, I hope you get in UMP. So there'll be at least one other person to BS about on Wayne.

i kind of remember your story from the old "low-GPA thread"... was this the first time you applied to Wayne?
 

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Hey everyone. I'll probably be there in the Fall too. I'm waiting to hear back from some interviews, but the only one I would really go to over Wayne is OSU. So I hopefully will know in the next few days where I'll be.
 

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Hey everyone. I'll probably be there in the Fall too. I'm waiting to hear back from some interviews, but the only one I would really go to over Wayne is OSU. So I hopefully will know in the next few days where I'll be.

Wow...I was holding out for OSU too, but got summarily rejected post-interview. Good luck though, its a great school with amazing facilities.

UMP: this is my first cycle applying. I spent several years in post-bacc and grad school and, frankly, I was hoping it would land me somewhere 'better'...like OSU maybe...but oh well. I'm happy I'm in somewhere. Hope you get in.
 

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Looks like I'll be in Detroit in the Fall. Anyone else? I know their class is somewhere around 300, so there has to be someone...right? Anybody?

I will be there as well. Considering it is one of the biggest class, there has got to be more of us out there. cmon, dont be shy :)
 

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There's another thread. Quit posting here. Look for the other post.

haha sorry, not a frequent poster. Couldn't find the other thread because for some reason this website is veeeeeeeeeeeery slow for me. Care to post a link?
 
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nice to know I'm not the only one to get shot down post interview at OSU... Something about Big 10 schools not showing me love...

Jesus, how many people have interviewed at both Wayne and OSU? I knew my chances werent good when my faculty interviewer asked me why I didnt retake the MCAT...and I had a 34.

Where is the other Wayne c/o 2011 thread?
 

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Jesus, how many people have interviewed at both Wayne and OSU? I knew my chances werent good when my faculty interviewer asked me why I didnt retake the MCAT...and I had a 34.

Where is the other Wayne c/o 2011 thread?


34 warrants a retake now??? wow, who knew.


PS I interviewed at Wayne and OSU too. :)
 

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Junebug and maestro, did you guys get deferred at OSU and then rejected? I got deferred today so it looks like I'll be at Wayne because no other school I interviewed at is better than Wayne IMO. Ah well, I'll save money this way.
 

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Junebug and maestro, did you guys get deferred at OSU and then rejected? I got deferred today so it looks like I'll be at Wayne because no other school I interviewed at is better than Wayne IMO. Ah well, I'll save money this way.

I anxiously awaited OSU's phone call, only to get a status change email, which informed me that my file was closed. That one really hurt.

Did you interview at OSU? I thought Wayne had great hospital facilities, but other than that, I was generally underwhelmed. OSU's facilities were very impressive, especially the patient training rooms under the library. They are getting oodles of research money and really dont know what to do with it--their new research buildings are largely empty as they search for people to fill the benches. And their independent study pathway really appealed to me. I'm ranting about a school that doesnt want me... I better stop before this gets really sad. Anyway, Go Blue! OSU sucks ass! I'm glad we spanked them in football and basketball this year.
 

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Junebug and maestro sorry to hear that. I know how you guys feel because I was totally impressed with the curriculum and facilities at OSU and very much wanted to go there. Although my hope is not altogether lost, it's definitely squashed a bit.
Before this thread is further hijacked...lol...While the buildings at Wayne are not all that great, think of the experiences we'll get. I do think they have a lot of clinical opportunities and we get a lot more responsibility with patients than most other medical students get at other schools. Maybe I'm wrong, but I hope not because that is one great advantage to Wayne.
 

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Junebug and maestro sorry to hear that. I know how you guys feel because I was totally impressed with the curriculum and facilities at OSU and very much wanted to go there. Although my hope is not altogether lost, it's definitely squashed a bit.
Before this thread is further hijacked...lol...While the buildings at Wayne are not all that great, think of the experiences we'll get. I do think they have a lot of clinical opportunities and we get a lot more responsibility with patients than most other medical students get at other schools. Maybe I'm wrong, but I hope not because that is one great advantage to Wayne.


I would not be so disappointed... I actually chose wayne over osu. The out of state tuition for osu is a killer and you can't beat the clinical training at wayne. You can get pretty close to an independent learning track at wayne after anatomy and histology.... you just stay home and watch lectures from home (where you will not notice how old scott hall looks). Most (95%) of lecture questions come from the course notes, so the actual lectures are not that important.

Remember, medical education is not all about how much research money an institution gets or how pretty the buildings look.... it is more about the quality of material taught and how it is presented. Specific to medicine, the quality of education is related to clinical experience and what you will actually get to do and the pathologies you will see. At Wayne, you will do more and see more variety of pathologies than you would at many schools simply because Detroit is poor and underserved. If you want to get involved in cutting edge research, you shouldn't have a problem... I know I didn't.
 

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Well, OSU does allow you to get in-state tuition after a year. Its about $28k after that, compared to Wayne's $22k in-state tuition. Not a significant difference to attend an ~ top 30-and-climibing school. But there are no casinos in Columbus and my girlfriend refuses to do her residency anywhere other than a big city, so I guess it worked out for the best. So I'll either hone my poker skills and play my way out of med school, or gamble my way out. Either way, its gonna be fun!


PS To fun8 and other Wayne-i-nites (c'mon....): does Wayne offer a lot of scholarships from second year and beyond? I saw a listing of a few dozen scholarships on the med home page and also in the commencement guide for the Class of '06.
 

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Well, OSU does allow you to get in-state tuition after a year. Its about $28k after that, compared to Wayne's $22k in-state tuition. Not a significant difference to attend an ~ top 30-and-climibing school. But there are no casinos in Columbus and my girlfriend refuses to do her residency anywhere other than a big city, so I guess it worked out for the best. So I'll either hone my poker skills and play my way out of med school, or gamble my way out. Either way, its gonna be fun!


PS To fun8 and other Wayne-i-nites (c'mon....): does Wayne offer a lot of scholarships from second year and beyond? I saw a listing of a few dozen scholarships on the med home page and also in the commencement guide for the Class of '06.

There are various scholarship offers that are sent to us via email throughout the year. Some are for people who live in specific counties and some are for particular ethnicities. You get a small amount if you honor first year. I have not paid too close attention since I received a 4yr full tuition scholarship. By the way, I believe Wayne waits to give the full tuition and half tuition scholarships (based on mcat, gpa, interview, essays) out until June/July (the couple other people I know who received them all received them in June or July). You don't have to apply for these, only fill out a FAFSA w/ your parents' income info included. To find out about all scholarships available it would probably be best to email Dr. Kertia Black or someone in student affairs (See wayne's website).

Edit: If you plan to do primary care, there is a scholarship (national health corps?) that will cover all of your tuition if you agree to work 4 yrs in an underserved area after residency. There are also military scholarships that will cover all tuition and expenses for the 4 years of medical school if you agree to serve 4 yrs in military after medical school. The only downside to the military (so i have been told- i could be wrong) is that you do not necessarily get to pick what you specialize in. The "rumor" that I have heard is that if they need surgeons, then you will be a surgeon whether you want to be or not. I have asked recruiters if this is true and most will say it isn't at first, but after asking more details they tend to try and evade the question. I have a few non-medical school friends who were lied to by recruiters when they signed up , so I am not very trusting (until I hear otherwise from someone who has been through the process).

http://nhsc.bhpr.hrsa.gov/applications/scholarship/default.htm
 
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I would not be so disappointed... I actually chose wayne over osu. The out of state tuition for osu is a killer and you can't beat the clinical training at wayne. You can get pretty close to an independent learning track at wayne after anatomy and histology.... you just stay home and watch lectures from home (where you will not notice how old scott hall looks). Most (95%) of lecture questions come from the course notes, so the actual lectures are not that important.

Remember, medical education is not all about how much research money an institution gets or how pretty the buildings look.... it is more about the quality of material taught and how it is presented. Specific to medicine, the quality of education is related to clinical experience and what you will actually get to do and the pathologies you will see. At Wayne, you will do more and see more variety of pathologies than you would at many schools simply because Detroit is poor and underserved. If you want to get involved in cutting edge research, you shouldn't have a problem... I know I didn't.

I have to agree with a lot you said. I just got spoiled at my undergrad, where everything was oh so pretty (UMiami) except for the science building, where I spent most of my time. I know this is silly, so I'm trying to maintain perspective. After all, I doubt there will be much time to really care and once my a## starts getting kicked by huge amounts of material everything will look ugly no matter where I am. The only other thing I am concerned about...is it easy to meet people and do fun things outside of class? I know med school is a lot of work but I'm being real. I want to have fun too, I'm not planning on losing my mind for the sake of being in the top of the class.
I also need to find a roomate, I don't want to live alone :(
 

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I have to agree with a lot you said. I just got spoiled at my undergrad, where everything was oh so pretty (UMiami) except for the science building, where I spent most of my time. I know this is silly, so I'm trying to maintain perspective. After all, I doubt there will be much time to really care and once my a## starts getting kicked by huge amounts of material everything will look ugly no matter where I am. The only other thing I am concerned about...is it easy to meet people and do fun things outside of class? I know med school is a lot of work but I'm being real. I want to have fun too, I'm not planning on losing my mind for the sake of being in the top of the class.
I also need to find a roomate, I don't want to live alone :(


Are you from Florida? Me and another guy went to Greektown after our interview day, since we had late flights. I didnt see all of it, but it looked like a fun place to hang out. And its only about a mile away from the medical center. There were a lot of bars, some clubs, restaurants and, of course, casinos. I've taken a fair number of first-year classes and its not as brutal as everyone thinks. Different schools emphasize different subjects--my Histo professor said it was the most important subject in the study of medicine, and she said it with a straight face--and some (Anatomy) suck no matter where you take it, but I found that aside from 2 weeks before the end of each block, I always had free time on the weekends. Then again, I wasnt spending extra time reviewing First Aid and BRS, which I'll probably do so I dont have an avalanche of material to review after second year.
 

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I have to agree with a lot you said. I just got spoiled at my undergrad, where everything was oh so pretty (UMiami) except for the science building, where I spent most of my time. I know this is silly, so I'm trying to maintain perspective. After all, I doubt there will be much time to really care and once my a## starts getting kicked by huge amounts of material everything will look ugly no matter where I am. The only other thing I am concerned about...is it easy to meet people and do fun things outside of class? I know med school is a lot of work but I'm being real. I want to have fun too, I'm not planning on losing my mind for the sake of being in the top of the class.
I also need to find a roomate, I don't want to live alone :(

There is someone to call/email regarding roommates. Perhaps it is student affairs. I believe 'oldjeeps' or 'deowolf' mentioned who this person was a couple days ago on one of these wayne threads.

You will have a lot of opportunities to meet people. During the first week of first year (orientation- no classes) you will be broken up into groups and there will be a bunch of activities planned. Everynight of this week there is a party at a different detroit/royal oak bar. This is a great time to meet people. Even if you are not a bar person, it is still fun to go to meet your classmates. After every exam there are class parties at bars in the area. Anatomy lab is also a good time to make friends. Although medical school does take up more time than undergrad, there is still time to have fun (at least during the first 2 years).

By the way, there is free parking at the Greek Town casino. When you park your car you will get a ticket. If you take the ticket into the casino (right before you leave), you can have it validated so that you do not have to pay for the parking. It is some times nice to park there because you can then take the people mover to where you want to go for like $0.50.
 

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wooohooo! I'm in... time to start posting in here more ;)
 

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lol, exactly what I was thinking UMP

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lol, exactly what I was thinking UMP

next task: change signature

ha... yeah... I think I'm going to steal TMP-SMX's fancy sig ;)
 

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Don't know what to do. The sig sums up my perdicament. Any input? I may just flip a coin! :laugh:
 

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Don't know what to do. The sig sums up my perdicament. Any input? I may just flip a coin! :laugh:

I don't have an interview yet from MSU (I applied so late they still haven't gotten to my file) but from what I read about PBL, it sucks... and MSU has exams every monday as opposed to once a month for Wayne. I heard the students at Wayne tend to be a lot more "sane" and relaxed because of that...

you also have a lot more research opportunities at Wayne since they are in the Top 20 for research funding in the country... MSU is in the 100s, and will try to push you towards primary care
 

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I don't have an interview yet from MSU (I applied so late they still haven't gotten to my file) but from what I read about PBL, it sucks... and MSU has exams every monday as opposed to once a month for Wayne. I heard the students at Wayne tend to be a lot more "sane" and relaxed because of that...

you also have a lot more research opportunities at Wayne since they are in the Top 20 for research funding in the country... MSU is in the 100s, and will try to push you towards primary care


PBL is a tidal wave sweeping across the country. In 20 years, it will probably be used at most schools, along with an organ systems approach and shortening the basic science curriculum to 1.5 years.

Also, having exams every week is preferable to having one huge exam every month, covering all the subjects in that block. My physio class had a mini-exam every week, which it helped reduce stress and aid in learning since you are more likely to retain information when you dont have to cram 20 lectures worth of info from each class to spew out on a single scantron. We're all human, and so likely to indulge in a fair bit of procrastination. Its far less daunting to only have a week or two worth of material to prepare for, than staring at ~40 lectures from each block that you have to study for a big exam.
 
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PBL is a tidal wave sweeping across the country. In 20 years, it will probably be used at most schools, along with an organ systems approach and shortening the basic science curriculum to 1.5 years.

Also, having exams every week is preferable to having one huge exam every month, covering all the subjects in that block. My physio class had a mini-exam every week, which it helped reduce stress and aid in learning since you are more likely to retain information when you dont have to cram 20 lectures worth of info from each class to spew out on a single scantron. We're all human, and so likely to indulge in a fair bit of procrastination. Its far less daunting to only have a week or two worth of material to prepare for, than staring at ~40 lectures from each block that you have to study for a big exam.

The thing is, is that Step 1 is basically one huge exam that you only get to take once. The 1 exam per month is set up to prepare you for taking huge exams on a lot of information. It is also nice because you do not have to worry about an exam every week. The exam once per month during first year is really nice atually and I miss it as a second year. If you keep up with your work, you really don't have to study a whole lot until the last week before the exam.

PBL works great for some people. I sat in on a few different PBL sessions at different schools I interviewed at and didn't really like it. There always seemed to be an ambiguity as to what you should be learning and lack of structure. But, this is just my opinion. I have friends who liked it a lot.

Regarding MSU: I also had to make that choice. It is a nice school. The administration was really nice and I really liked the atmosphere. Isn't the dean or some head radiology guy from John Hopkins? I chose Wayne over MSU because I did not want to have to move across Michigan after 2nd year. I was also under the impression that the clinical training was not even close to comparable to Wayne since Wayne is affiliated with so many more hospital systems and has a much more diverse and underserved population that it serves. The benefits that MSU has is that it is probably in an area that most people would probably consider better. Anyways, you will probably receive comparable training at either place and is probably not that big of deal.
 

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The thing is, is that Step 1 is basically one huge exam that you only get to take once. The 1 exam per month is set up to prepare you for taking huge exams on a lot of information. It is also nice because you do not have to worry about an exam every week. The exam once per month during first year is really nice atually and I miss it as a second year. If you keep up with your work, you really don't have to study a whole lot until the last week before the exam.

PBL works great for some people. I sat in on a few different PBL sessions at different schools I interviewed at and didn't really like it. There always seemed to be an ambiguity as to what you should be learning and lack of structure. But, this is just my opinion. I have friends who liked it a lot.

Regarding MSU: I also had to make that choice. It is a nice school. The administration was really nice and I really liked the atmosphere. Isn't the dean or some head radiology guy from John Hopkins? I chose Wayne over MSU because I did not want to have to move across Michigan after 2nd year. I was also under the impression that the clinical training was not even close to comparable to Wayne since Wayne is affiliated with so many more hospital systems and has a much more diverse and underserved population that it serves. The benefits that MSU has is that it is probably in an area that most people would probably consider better. Anyways, you will probably receive comparable training at either place and is probably not that big of deal.

You're probably right on that, because a student I interviewed with told me if I had any interest in radiology that MSU is good in that area. He went on and on about amazing faculty... I didn't have a clue. I'd probably still choose Wayne though if given the choice.
 

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PBL is a tidal wave sweeping across the country. In 20 years, it will probably be used at most schools, along with an organ systems approach and shortening the basic science curriculum to 1.5 years.

Also, having exams every week is preferable to having one huge exam every month, covering all the subjects in that block. My physio class had a mini-exam every week, which it helped reduce stress and aid in learning since you are more likely to retain information when you dont have to cram 20 lectures worth of info from each class to spew out on a single scantron. We're all human, and so likely to indulge in a fair bit of procrastination. Its far less daunting to only have a week or two worth of material to prepare for, than staring at ~40 lectures from each block that you have to study for a big exam.


I still don't want to waste hours with my PBL group discussing pointless crap... Wayne students have a lot more free time because of that, which is more important to me. Also, I think procrastination will not be a problem... after you fail your first exam it'll get you to study more regularly ;)
 

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I was recently accepted and I will be enrolling.

Detroit is my hometown. If you have any questions or apprehensions (this city has a bad rep) let me know!
 

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hey, i just called today (didn't have the nerves until now) and found out i was accepted!! for those of you waiting to hear, they said they were sending out the letter packets today.

still not sure if that's were i'll end up next year (waiting on IU and to hear back about an IRTA position at the NIH).
 

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Someone PM'd me asking about crime and my take on the city's bad reputation.

Here's what I told him/her:

Here's some hard data about crime at WSU:

www.police.wayne.edu/crimestats2006.html

If you want them, I can give my personal opinions but our personal definitions of "safe" and "dangerous" may be nothing alike.

In my opinion, the WSU campus is actually in one of the safest parts of the city, but it in no way resembles a typical college campus. You will cross paths with people from all socioeconomic strata.

I've done a good amount of traveling and have never been in a similar city. The only analogy I can make is that it is (sort of) like a cross between East Berlin after reunification and present day Cape Town, South Africa. A well-traveled friend of mine from Seattle was here and said (hyperbolically) that it was the weirdest place he's ever been

Wayne was my first choice for many reasons, some personal, some professional. Foremostly, my primary interest is in clinical medicine. And I don't think that you can gain more experience in years 3 and 4 than at WSU (it's sad, but the "beggars can't be choosers" axiom applies to the health care consumer too). I also intend on practicing in a large city, so the variety of diseases that the WSU hospitals and affiliates treat fill that bill for me. Also, for a major city, the costs of living in Detroit are relatively low. But it's always good to keep some change in your pocket to pay the "Detroit City Tax."

What I've discovered is that the people who disparage the city the most know the least about it.

In terms of culture, there's plenty going on here. There's plenty of money from neighboring Oakland county (north of 8 Mile Rd; one of the wealthiest counties in the country) to support it. In some ways culture is more accessible than in cities like New York or Chicago (cost, much less competition for a piece of it). On the other hand, you have to work at experiencing it. This city was built for a million or so more people than presently occupy it, so things are spread out and public transport practically does not exist. But clusters of activity are starting to develop and especially in the midtown (WSU) area. Having no idea of what you're interested in, I'm speaking very generally.

I'll also post this in the WSU Class of 2011 forum ( http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=369131 ) so my peers can challenge anything that they think is bunk.
 

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Someone PM'd me asking about crime and my take and the city's bad reputation.

Here's what I told him/her:

Here's some hard data about crime at WSU:

www.police.wayne.edu/crimestats2006.html

If you want them, I can give my personal opinions but our personal definitions of "safe" and "dangerous" may be nothing alike.

In my opinion, the WSU campus is actually in one of the safest parts of the city, but it in no way resembles a typical college campus. You will cross paths with people from all socioeconomic strata.

I've done a good amount of traveling and have never been in a similar city. The only analogy I can make is that it is (sort of) like a cross between East Berlin after reunification and present day Cape Town, South Africa. A well-traveled friend of mine from Seattle was here and said (hyperbolically) that it was the weirdest place he's ever been

Wayne was my first choice for many reasons, some personal, some professional. Foremostly, my primary interest is in clinical medicine. And I don't think that you can gain more experience in years 3 and 4 than at WSU (it's sad, but the "beggars can't be choosers" axiom applies to the health care consumer too). I also intend on practicing in a large city, so the variety of diseases that the WSU hospitals and affiliates treat fill that bill for me. Also, for a major city, the costs of living in Detroit are relatively low. But it's always good to keep some change in your pocket to pay the "Detroit City Tax."

What I've discovered is that the people who disparage the city the most know the least about it.

In terms of culture, there's plenty going on here. There's plenty of money from neighboring Oakland county (north of 8 Mile Rd; one of the wealthiest counties in the country) to support it. In some ways culture is more accessible than in cities like New York or Chicago (cost, much less competition for a piece of it). On the other hand, you have to work at experiencing it. This city was built for a million or so more people than presently occupy it, so things are spread out and public transport practically does not exist. But clusters of activity are starting to develop and especially in the midtown (WSU) area. Having no idea of what you're interested in, I'm speaking very generally.

I'll also post this in the WSU Class of 2011 forum ( http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=369131 ) so my peers can challenge anything that they think is bunk.


during orientation, we were told that the wsu campus is safer than UM and MSU campuses if you go by the statistics. your description seems pretty accurate based on my experiences.
 

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I'll have to second the comparison of South Africa to the D. My husband spent some time there and when we visited Detroit for the first time, it really reminded him of SA. Funny. Our "robots" here in detroit sometimes don't work, just like in South Africa! :)
 

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I'll have to second the comparison of South Africa to the D. My husband spent some time there and when we visited Detroit for the first time, it really reminded him of SA. Funny. Our "robots" here in detroit sometimes don't work, just like in South Africa! :)

That's right. I was confused the first time I asked for directions because I was told to drive past x number of robots.
 

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Hey! I am 99.9% sure I"ll be at Wayne next year (I have to go to Wayne over MSU)...where is everyone going to live? I have been calling around apartment complexes in Royal Oak and got some pretty good deals.

Does anyone know about the Village Park of Royal Oak? In the little book they gave us during our interview it says that many students live here. I looked up some reviews online, and many of them were negative. It sounds like they have tons of problems with things breaking down and lease contracts, however from the sound of things med students still continue to live there. The pictures online make the place look amazing and the rent is affordable. Does anyone know if this place is worth signing a lease with? Despite some of the negative comments online, it looks like one of the better places for a med student to live.

Any input would be great!
 

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I am 50/50 going to wayne right now and if i do that will be where i live. I work for the DMC right now and almost lived there this year. It is the best place i could find in RO and is close to the bars and the freeway to get downtown. I looked at a model unit which was nice. A friend of mine said he likes it. It is a bit pricey but most of the smaller apt complexes have long wait lists.
 

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did you guys get your ACCESSID and password in the acceptance packet or did you call in for it? and how long did it take you to get this packet? i've heard it took them a while to send it out before
 

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did you guys get your ACCESSID and password in the acceptance packet or did you call in for it? and how long did it take you to get this packet? i've heard it took them a while to send it out before

I didn't get my ACCESSID or password yet. I called and someone told me that it will take a couple of days for them to send it, maybe 7 days.
 
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