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ok, so given that the current second years have run their thread into the ground and no one else has started a class specific one for us, I figured I'd bite.
...about 50/50 on choosing WSU at the moment.
Well, I hope you get in UMP. So there'll be at least one other person to BS about on Wayne.
Hey everyone. I'll probably be there in the Fall too. I'm waiting to hear back from some interviews, but the only one I would really go to over Wayne is OSU. So I hopefully will know in the next few days where I'll be.
Looks like I'll be in Detroit in the Fall. Anyone else? I know their class is somewhere around 300, so there has to be someone...right? Anybody?
I will be there as well. Considering it is one of the biggest class, there has got to be more of us out there. cmon, dont be shy
There's another thread. Quit posting here. Look for the other post.
nice to know I'm not the only one to get shot down post interview at OSU... Something about Big 10 schools not showing me love...
Jesus, how many people have interviewed at both Wayne and OSU? I knew my chances werent good when my faculty interviewer asked me why I didnt retake the MCAT...and I had a 34.
Where is the other Wayne c/o 2011 thread?
Junebug and maestro, did you guys get deferred at OSU and then rejected? I got deferred today so it looks like I'll be at Wayne because no other school I interviewed at is better than Wayne IMO. Ah well, I'll save money this way.
Junebug and maestro sorry to hear that. I know how you guys feel because I was totally impressed with the curriculum and facilities at OSU and very much wanted to go there. Although my hope is not altogether lost, it's definitely squashed a bit.
Before this thread is further hijacked...lol...While the buildings at Wayne are not all that great, think of the experiences we'll get. I do think they have a lot of clinical opportunities and we get a lot more responsibility with patients than most other medical students get at other schools. Maybe I'm wrong, but I hope not because that is one great advantage to Wayne.
Well, OSU does allow you to get in-state tuition after a year. Its about $28k after that, compared to Wayne's $22k in-state tuition. Not a significant difference to attend an ~ top 30-and-climibing school. But there are no casinos in Columbus and my girlfriend refuses to do her residency anywhere other than a big city, so I guess it worked out for the best. So I'll either hone my poker skills and play my way out of med school, or gamble my way out. Either way, its gonna be fun!
PS To fun8 and other Wayne-i-nites (c'mon....): does Wayne offer a lot of scholarships from second year and beyond? I saw a listing of a few dozen scholarships on the med home page and also in the commencement guide for the Class of '06.
I would not be so disappointed... I actually chose wayne over osu. The out of state tuition for osu is a killer and you can't beat the clinical training at wayne. You can get pretty close to an independent learning track at wayne after anatomy and histology.... you just stay home and watch lectures from home (where you will not notice how old scott hall looks). Most (95%) of lecture questions come from the course notes, so the actual lectures are not that important.
Remember, medical education is not all about how much research money an institution gets or how pretty the buildings look.... it is more about the quality of material taught and how it is presented. Specific to medicine, the quality of education is related to clinical experience and what you will actually get to do and the pathologies you will see. At Wayne, you will do more and see more variety of pathologies than you would at many schools simply because Detroit is poor and underserved. If you want to get involved in cutting edge research, you shouldn't have a problem... I know I didn't.
I have to agree with a lot you said. I just got spoiled at my undergrad, where everything was oh so pretty (UMiami) except for the science building, where I spent most of my time. I know this is silly, so I'm trying to maintain perspective. After all, I doubt there will be much time to really care and once my a## starts getting kicked by huge amounts of material everything will look ugly no matter where I am. The only other thing I am concerned about...is it easy to meet people and do fun things outside of class? I know med school is a lot of work but I'm being real. I want to have fun too, I'm not planning on losing my mind for the sake of being in the top of the class.
I also need to find a roomate, I don't want to live alone
I have to agree with a lot you said. I just got spoiled at my undergrad, where everything was oh so pretty (UMiami) except for the science building, where I spent most of my time. I know this is silly, so I'm trying to maintain perspective. After all, I doubt there will be much time to really care and once my a## starts getting kicked by huge amounts of material everything will look ugly no matter where I am. The only other thing I am concerned about...is it easy to meet people and do fun things outside of class? I know med school is a lot of work but I'm being real. I want to have fun too, I'm not planning on losing my mind for the sake of being in the top of the class.
I also need to find a roomate, I don't want to live alone
lol, exactly what I was thinking UMP
next task: change signature
ha... yeah... I think I'm going to steal TMP-SMX's fancy sig
Don't know what to do. The sig sums up my perdicament. Any input? I may just flip a coin!
I don't have an interview yet from MSU (I applied so late they still haven't gotten to my file) but from what I read about PBL, it sucks... and MSU has exams every monday as opposed to once a month for Wayne. I heard the students at Wayne tend to be a lot more "sane" and relaxed because of that...
you also have a lot more research opportunities at Wayne since they are in the Top 20 for research funding in the country... MSU is in the 100s, and will try to push you towards primary care
PBL is a tidal wave sweeping across the country. In 20 years, it will probably be used at most schools, along with an organ systems approach and shortening the basic science curriculum to 1.5 years.
Also, having exams every week is preferable to having one huge exam every month, covering all the subjects in that block. My physio class had a mini-exam every week, which it helped reduce stress and aid in learning since you are more likely to retain information when you dont have to cram 20 lectures worth of info from each class to spew out on a single scantron. We're all human, and so likely to indulge in a fair bit of procrastination. Its far less daunting to only have a week or two worth of material to prepare for, than staring at ~40 lectures from each block that you have to study for a big exam.
The thing is, is that Step 1 is basically one huge exam that you only get to take once. The 1 exam per month is set up to prepare you for taking huge exams on a lot of information. It is also nice because you do not have to worry about an exam every week. The exam once per month during first year is really nice atually and I miss it as a second year. If you keep up with your work, you really don't have to study a whole lot until the last week before the exam.
PBL works great for some people. I sat in on a few different PBL sessions at different schools I interviewed at and didn't really like it. There always seemed to be an ambiguity as to what you should be learning and lack of structure. But, this is just my opinion. I have friends who liked it a lot.
Regarding MSU: I also had to make that choice. It is a nice school. The administration was really nice and I really liked the atmosphere. Isn't the dean or some head radiology guy from John Hopkins? I chose Wayne over MSU because I did not want to have to move across Michigan after 2nd year. I was also under the impression that the clinical training was not even close to comparable to Wayne since Wayne is affiliated with so many more hospital systems and has a much more diverse and underserved population that it serves. The benefits that MSU has is that it is probably in an area that most people would probably consider better. Anyways, you will probably receive comparable training at either place and is probably not that big of deal.
PBL is a tidal wave sweeping across the country. In 20 years, it will probably be used at most schools, along with an organ systems approach and shortening the basic science curriculum to 1.5 years.
Also, having exams every week is preferable to having one huge exam every month, covering all the subjects in that block. My physio class had a mini-exam every week, which it helped reduce stress and aid in learning since you are more likely to retain information when you dont have to cram 20 lectures worth of info from each class to spew out on a single scantron. We're all human, and so likely to indulge in a fair bit of procrastination. Its far less daunting to only have a week or two worth of material to prepare for, than staring at ~40 lectures from each block that you have to study for a big exam.
But it's always good to keep some change in your pocket to pay the Detroit City Tax.
What is this?
Someone PM'd me asking about crime and my take and the city's bad reputation.
Here's what I told him/her:
Here's some hard data about crime at WSU:
www.police.wayne.edu/crimestats2006.html
If you want them, I can give my personal opinions but our personal definitions of "safe" and "dangerous" may be nothing alike.
In my opinion, the WSU campus is actually in one of the safest parts of the city, but it in no way resembles a typical college campus. You will cross paths with people from all socioeconomic strata.
I've done a good amount of traveling and have never been in a similar city. The only analogy I can make is that it is (sort of) like a cross between East Berlin after reunification and present day Cape Town, South Africa. A well-traveled friend of mine from Seattle was here and said (hyperbolically) that it was the weirdest place he's ever been
Wayne was my first choice for many reasons, some personal, some professional. Foremostly, my primary interest is in clinical medicine. And I don't think that you can gain more experience in years 3 and 4 than at WSU (it's sad, but the "beggars can't be choosers" axiom applies to the health care consumer too). I also intend on practicing in a large city, so the variety of diseases that the WSU hospitals and affiliates treat fill that bill for me. Also, for a major city, the costs of living in Detroit are relatively low. But it's always good to keep some change in your pocket to pay the "Detroit City Tax."
What I've discovered is that the people who disparage the city the most know the least about it.
In terms of culture, there's plenty going on here. There's plenty of money from neighboring Oakland county (north of 8 Mile Rd; one of the wealthiest counties in the country) to support it. In some ways culture is more accessible than in cities like New York or Chicago (cost, much less competition for a piece of it). On the other hand, you have to work at experiencing it. This city was built for a million or so more people than presently occupy it, so things are spread out and public transport practically does not exist. But clusters of activity are starting to develop and especially in the midtown (WSU) area. Having no idea of what you're interested in, I'm speaking very generally.
I'll also post this in the WSU Class of 2011 forum ( http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=369131 ) so my peers can challenge anything that they think is bunk.
I'll have to second the comparison of South Africa to the D. My husband spent some time there and when we visited Detroit for the first time, it really reminded him of SA. Funny. Our "robots" here in detroit sometimes don't work, just like in South Africa!
did you guys get your ACCESSID and password in the acceptance packet or did you call in for it? and how long did it take you to get this packet? i've heard it took them a while to send it out before