Wayne State University part 02

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Hey WSU SOM students,

I just interviewed there on F and I loved Detroit (I'm from CA), I loved the school, the students were so nice (although walking into the cafe with 50 of you staring at us in suits was kind of awkward) :laugh: The school was so beautiful and I just really enjoyed every last drop of it until I got to the interview....

My interviewer was kind of an A-hole....he made several very condescending and inappropriate comments. Very unprofessional and even made a stereotyping comment towards Asians (which I am). He really didn't seem like he wanted to advocate me and I don't know why. I wasn't rude back and tried the best to get through it. It only lasted 30 min, he didn't read my application and basically just asked me to list everything over again w/o letting me tell him about my experiences. He even told me the other medical school I interviewed at was ****ty and didn't make good doctors...once again very unprofessional.

WSU was one of my top choices and after visiting I truly felt great there! However, after having such a bad interview experience, by the end I couldn't wait to get out of Detroit.

What should I do? I mean i don't want to make it worse for myself you know by complaining :( Did anyone else have a bad experience interviewing as well and got in? I thought WSU cared about the applicant as a whole person. My interviewer just kept telling me my stats were too low w/o even letting me explain anything. My 2000 hours of patient contact experience didn't mean jack. Actually nothing meant jack to him expect for my MCATs and GPA. He even said he would plead an underprivileged case or I wouldn't get in...I'm like okay...you sound like a lawyer. And my stats are not THAT low, just slightly below the average of the school. Either way I'm so disappointed. I really wish to attend this school and loved everything about it!

I really don't have the money to fly out there again. Should I even bother telling admissions? Or should I just wait it out? Also since my interviewer didn't read my application, when they meet on M to present the applicants, will the admission com at least have read my application? B/c if they didn't then I feel significantly screwed.

Thanks! And good luck with all that ultrasound training.
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What you should have done is talked to someone higher up to voice your concern about not receiving a fair interview and in fact how you were insulted by them. If the individual who interviewed you doesn't want to be interviewing they should be doing it. They should probably be reprimanded for it.

There is also a small chance your interviewer wanted to see how you would respond but its unlikely and I've never heard of something like this from a Wayne interview.
 
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What you should have done is talked to someone higher up to voice your concern about not receiving a fair interview and in fact how you were insulted by them. If the individual who interviewed you doesn't want to be interviewing they should be doing it. They should probably be reprimanded for it.

There is also a small chance your interviewer wanted to see how you would respond but its unlikely and I've never heard of something like this from a Wayne interview.
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Ya I have just been hearing about how chill and relaxed the Wayne interview was and it was actually really stressful for me. I thought maybe the guy was trying to push my buttons but I just thought he took it too far at certain moments.

Have you ever heard from anyone else regarding getting a bad interviewer?

I'm sending them a letter of continued interest and calling them on Tuesday since I think Monday the office will be closed. Man I'm so bummed out because I was so excited for this interview and left the city crying.
 
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Ilvcurst said:
I'm sending them a letter of continued interest and calling them on Tuesday since I think Monday the office will be closed. Man I'm so bummed out because I was so excited for this interview and left the city crying.
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You could also consider asking for a phone appointment with the dean of admissions, in order to express your concerns.
The trick for your planned steps will be in keeping the tone of your conversation as a concerned applicant and not sounding like you are complaining.
I think it is important to take these steps ASAP - so that it occurs before you know of any change in your admissions status - which should reinforce your playing the card of an applicant that was significantly disappointed by the interview day (do they still have you fill out surveys at the end of the day?).
 
Ilvcurst said:
Hey WSU SOM students,

I just interviewed there on F and I loved Detroit (I'm from CA), I loved the school, the students were so nice (although walking into the cafe with 50 of you staring at us in suits was kind of awkward) :laugh: The school was so beautiful and I just really enjoyed every last drop of it until I got to the interview....

My interviewer was kind of an A-hole....he made several very condescending and inappropriate comments. Very unprofessional and even made a stereotyping comment towards Asians (which I am). He really didn't seem like he wanted to advocate me and I don't know why. I wasn't rude back and tried the best to get through it. It only lasted 30 min, he didn't read my application and basically just asked me to list everything over again w/o letting me tell him about my experiences. He even told me the other medical school I interviewed at was ****ty and didn't make good doctors...once again very unprofessional.

WSU was one of my top choices and after visiting I truly felt great there! However, after having such a bad interview experience, by the end I couldn't wait to get out of Detroit.

What should I do? I mean i don't want to make it worse for myself you know by complaining :( Did anyone else have a bad experience interviewing as well and got in? I thought WSU cared about the applicant as a whole person. My interviewer just kept telling me my stats were too low w/o even letting me explain anything. My 2000 hours of patient contact experience didn't mean jack. Actually nothing meant jack to him expect for my MCATs and GPA. He even said he would plead an underprivileged case or I wouldn't get in...I'm like okay...you sound like a lawyer. And my stats are not THAT low, just slightly below the average of the school. Either way I'm so disappointed. I really wish to attend this school and loved everything about it!

I really don't have the money to fly out there again. Should I even bother telling admissions? Or should I just wait it out? Also since my interviewer didn't read my application, when they meet on M to present the applicants, will the admission com at least have read my application? B/c if they didn't then I feel significantly screwed.

Thanks! And good luck with all that ultrasound training.
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I've heard a few stories of "bad" inteviews, similar to yours over the years... usually from this interviewer who is an older clinician who dresses in an "interesting way". Some times they got in, some times they didn't. What they all had in common was that their stats were just below average and he would tell them like it was: WSU can basically fill its class with people who all have a minimum certain MCAT score and GPA and if you are below that (the avg) then there has to be another reason for them to take you: i.e. persevering despite a disadvantaged backgrounds or with other out of the ordinary experiences that sets you apart from other candidates- which it sounds like you may have. You just need to let them know why they should pick you over someone with slighly higher scores/GPA. It's unfortunate that you had a bad interview and was likely just "unluckiness" of the draw/being nervous. When I would give tours, we would always tell the candidates that if they felt they were treated unfairly during an interview or if they felt that they didn't have a chance to fully convey their qualifications then we would arrange an additional interview the same day if possible. Of course, I can only remember a couple times where people had enough guts to do this. Usually, they would come back later. As oldjeeps said, you may be able to arrange something over the phone but you have to do it quickly (not far from actually interview date) and tactfully in such a way that you do not seem like you are complaining. I don't know how I would go about this in your shoes. Did it really go as badly as you think? Some times people can make themselves think it went worse than it actually did... it could have just been your interviewers personality. A letter of intent/ interest is definitely a good idea, especially since you are from California. The other thing you need to do is tell them why you would wnat to come to Detroit over staying in California. 1) most people would rather stay in cali, 2) tuition would be cheaper, 3) the weather in MI sucks in the winter compared to CA. good luck.

By the way, the way I heard it works (4 yrs ago) is that the interviewers and adcoms sit in a room around a table and the candidates information is displayed on the wall from a projector for every one in the room to see. They go over the grades/scores and over the other aspects of your app. There is a ranking system/rubrik based solely on this information. Your interviewer than basicaly "goes to bat" for you on why they should or should not pick you/how they should rank you. This information is somehow factored into the rubrik and rank is assigned. The top X% get scholarships, the top Y% get acceptances, a certain Z% get put on the waitlist, and a small fraction are rejected.
 
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Thank you for all the advice.

I guess what made this interview extra bad was that even though he was going over all the negative parts of my application, he didn't want to hear any kind of explanation. Every time I would try to describe one of my activities it was total disinterest which was hard for me because my EC/Volunteering/Leadership is the strong part of my app (since my stats are a little bit lower).

Anyways I wrote a letter of intent and a thank you email. So we'll just sit it out and see how it goes :laugh::laugh:
 
I'm on the alt list, it's better than the rejection I thought I was going to get. Now more waiting...
 
Ilvcurst said:
I'm on the alt list, it's better than the rejection I thought I was going to get. Now more waiting...
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Best of luck to you.
Amount of alternate list movement varies from year to year. There were many people in my class that got in off the list...
 
any match news????? i hope the match rate was better than last year!
 
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I am not sure if this is public knowledge yet, but my father works with Wayne and just found out that Wayne is going to break its association with the DMC for MD programs. It looks like the residency programs will still be between Wayne and the DMC though, they just signed a 5 year extension.
 
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I am not sure if this is public knowledge yet, but my father works with Wayne and just found out that Wayne is going to break its association with the DMC for MD programs. It looks like the residency programs will still be between Wayne and the DMC though, they just signed a 5 year extension.
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word on the street is that they will be working closer with henry ford, as a lot of the docs at HF were given "WSU associate professor" status
 
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Does anybody have the match list? I'd love to see it. thanx.
 
Here's the class schedule for you incoming first years...
 

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Thanks for the info. Is there somewhere for us to access that other than this forum?
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When you get email access (orientation week) it will be available in your Outlook public folders.
 
Hello everyone. I have a few questions about my move to Wayne state.

I just got a cheaper stethoscope a Lightweight II S.E that retails for about 60 bucks as a gift from a friend and I'm wondering if it is still worth it to get a Littman Cardiology 3 right away as money is kinda tight till I get refund.
Also an oto-opthalmoscope kit, BP cuff and dissection kit are recommended? If they are not mandatory to have did you guys make it without it?

Also how much money should I have on me to carry me till I get my refund?
I'm moving with my wife and daughter and we are trying to get her a job and so far things like good but I heard it takes a while to get your refund.

If you are taking a summer class and your final transcripts do not make it there before orientation will it be a huge problem? I actually got permission to stop my graduate program and focus on saving money instead but I may take classes if they may help me.

I'm looking forward to moving to Detroit.
If you guys have families and have any areas to live that you would recommend that are safe and have a good school district, please let me know. my daughter is entering the 4th grade and I would like to have my family in an area where i don't have to worry about them while I'm slaving 24/7 in Scott Hall.
You can feel free to PM me. Any help offered will be much appreciated.
 
abearhin said:
Hello everyone. I have a few questions about my move to Wayne state.

I just got a cheaper stethoscope a Lightweight II S.E that retails for about 60 bucks as a gift from a friend and I'm wondering if it is still worth it to get a Littman Cardiology 3 right away as money is kinda tight till I get refund.
Also an oto-opthalmoscope kit, BP cuff and dissection kit are recommended? If they are not mandatory to have did you guys make it without it?
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That stethoscope will be fine for at least the first year. There's an anatomy lab equipment sale early on so buy your dissection kit then. Don't buy any other equipment. Pro-tip: bring a couple padlocks during orientation and claim your lockers asap.

abearhin said:
Also how much money should I have on me to carry me till I get my refund?
I'm moving with my wife and daughter and we are trying to get her a job and so far things like good but I heard it takes a while to get your refund.
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Financial aid disbursement for first years is 50% on 7/30/10, and 50% on 1/3/11.

abearhin said:
If you are taking a summer class and your final transcripts do not make it there before orientation will it be a huge problem? I actually got permission to stop my graduate program and focus on saving money instead but I may take classes if they may help me.
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Don't know. Call Admissions or Records & Registration.

abearhin said:
I'm looking forward to moving to Detroit.
If you guys have families and have any areas to live that you would recommend that are safe and have a good school district, please let me know. my daughter is entering the 4th grade and I would like to have my family in an area where i don't have to worry about them while I'm slaving 24/7 in Scott Hall.
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Look into the Grosse Pointe area. I've rented a house here in Grosse Pointe Park for 2 years now and love it. Great family area, beautiful parks, very safe, and it's a short commute to Scott Hall. PM me if you have any more Qs.
 
JoeCool said:
That stethoscope will be fine for at least the first year. There's an anatomy lab equipment sale early on so buy your dissection kit then. Don't buy any other equipment. Pro-tip: bring a couple padlocks during orientation and claim your lockers asap.



Financial aid disbursement for first years is 50% on 7/30/10, and 50% on 1/3/11.



Don't know. Call Admissions or Records & Registration.



Look into the Grosse Pointe area. I've rented a house here in Grosse Pointe Park for 2 years now and love it. Great family area, beautiful parks, very safe, and it's a short commute to Scott Hall. PM me if you have any more Qs.
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Awesome. You are a life saver. I will hit you up with more questions later. Thanks for allowing me to use some of your very limited time. i really appreciate it.
 
JoeCool said:
That stethoscope will be fine for at least the first year. There's an anatomy lab equipment sale early on so buy your dissection kit then. Don't buy any other equipment. Pro-tip: bring a couple padlocks during orientation and claim your lockers asap.
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Agreed.
Plan on needing at least two lockers - one (or more) up by the lecture halls and one (or more) down in the locker rooms for the anatomy lab

Re a diagnostic kit save your $ until second year when you really "need" to buy one. also, not sure that the pan-optic is all that it is hyped to be. certainly not readily available in most hospitals and I can't remember the last time that I actually used my own diagnostic kit.

JoeCool said:
Look into the Grosse Pointe area. I've rented a house here in Grosse Pointe Park for 2 years now and love it. Great family area, beautiful parks, very safe, and it's a short commute to Scott Hall. PM me if you have any more Qs.
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Agreed.
That's certainly an area known for good schools and many young families.
And it has the perk of being close to Scott Hall - with multiple routes, which is priceless when everyone out in Royal Oak is getting screwed over by the construction traffic on 75 and Woodward.
 
Thanks JoeCool and Oldjeeps.

I'm really looking forward to starting medical school. I guess now I just gotta figure out a way to pay for that steep out of state tuition. Was hoping that my wife getting a job out there would help me get instate but I doubt that will happen.
 
Hey all,

I'm a Michigan resident completing my M1 year at the University of Illinois. I like it here, but the out of state tuition is killer. I'm contemplating a transfer to Wayne State (probably for 2011-2012), but I wanted to know if anyone (particularly in-staters attending an OOS school) have been successful in doing this, and if so, how they proceeded to do it. Do they look at pre-clinical grades? USMLE? I'm pretty much smack dab in the middle of my M1 class.

Thanks.
 
sunset823 said:
Hey all,

I'm a Michigan resident completing my M1 year at the University of Illinois. I like it here, but the out of state tuition is killer. I'm contemplating a transfer to Wayne State (probably for 2011-2012), but I wanted to know if anyone (particularly in-staters attending an OOS school) have been successful in doing this, and if so, how they proceeded to do it. Do they look at pre-clinical grades? USMLE? I'm pretty much smack dab in the middle of my M1 class.

Thanks.
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I seem to recall hearing that the easiest time to transfer between medical schools is between MS2 and MS3.

I would suggest giving the admissions staff a call and explaining your situation and see what they say. My guess is that it is something that is addressed on a case by case basis. They probably look at many more things than just your desire to save some $. If you could make the argument of significant family pressures (spouse's job relocating him/her, etc) that MIGHT help your chances.
I would expect that they are going to want to check out your AMCAS stuff, med school transcripts, letters of good standing. But probably not USMLE step 1, as it doesn't usually come back until sometime in the fall of MS3.

That being said, I don't think that it is ever EASY to switch med schools.
 
oldjeeps said:
Re a diagnostic kit save your $ until second year when you really "need" to buy one. also, not sure that the pan-optic is all that it is hyped to be. certainly not readily available in most hospitals and I can't remember the last time that I actually used my own diagnostic kit.
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when it comes to diagnostic kits... definitely wait. people sell their kits after they finish 2nd or 3rd year. as for pan-optic.... i'd say don't even bother looking at it. when it comes to any exam where you need it (outside of maybe the wards... but who actually looks at retina when they're on call), you will be expected to use a normal opthalmoscope. only think about it during second year if you're planning on going into optho... or being a HTN specialist. ;)


as for stethescopes... again, wait for the school sale. they'll tell you that you need a cardio level. i have it and like it... but wait until you can try the differences out to see if you like what you already have.

as for locations.... I lived both downtown and am out in RO right now. Like both of them... Woodward lets me get around the construction uber fast... as does using the lodge. Don't let the construction count out RO. There's a TON of med students in RO. There's starting to be more in GP... both are nice, but I really like downtown Ferndale/RO and the closeness of Birmingham/Somerset. Take the chance to explore around the places you're looking at. Try and prioritize what you're looking for: coffee shops/restaurants/shopping/etc.
 
ksav said:
when it comes to diagnostic kits... definitely wait. people sell their kits after they finish 2nd or 3rd year. as for pan-optic.... i'd say don't even bother looking at it. when it comes to any exam where you need it (outside of maybe the wards... but who actually looks at retina when they're on call), you will be expected to use a normal opthalmoscope. only think about it during second year if you're planning on going into optho... or being a HTN specialist. ;)


as for stethescopes... again, wait for the school sale. they'll tell you that you need a cardio level. i have it and like it... but wait until you can try the differences out to see if you like what you already have.

as for locations.... I lived both downtown and am out in RO right now. Like both of them... Woodward lets me get around the construction uber fast... as does using the lodge. Don't let the construction count out RO. There's a TON of med students in RO. There's starting to be more in GP... both are nice, but I really like downtown Ferndale/RO and the closeness of Birmingham/Somerset. Take the chance to explore around the places you're looking at. Try and prioritize what you're looking for: coffee shops/restaurants/shopping/etc.
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Thanks so much. I really appreciate it.
 
abearhin said:
Hello everyone. I have a few questions about my move to Wayne state.

I just got a cheaper stethoscope a Lightweight II S.E that retails for about 60 bucks as a gift from a friend and I'm wondering if it is still worth it to get a Littman Cardiology 3 right away as money is kinda tight till I get refund.
Also an oto-opthalmoscope kit, BP cuff and dissection kit are recommended? If they are not mandatory to have did you guys make it without it?

Also how much money should I have on me to carry me till I get my refund?
I'm moving with my wife and daughter and we are trying to get her a job and so far things like good but I heard it takes a while to get your refund.

If you are taking a summer class and your final transcripts do not make it there before orientation will it be a huge problem? I actually got permission to stop my graduate program and focus on saving money instead but I may take classes if they may help me.

I'm looking forward to moving to Detroit.
If you guys have families and have any areas to live that you would recommend that are safe and have a good school district, please let me know. my daughter is entering the 4th grade and I would like to have my family in an area where i don't have to worry about them while I'm slaving 24/7 in Scott Hall.
You can feel free to PM me. Any help offered will be much appreciated.
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Without repeating what everyone else has said, I just wanted to add that Royal Oak is wonderful. I have a 5 year old who attends St. Paul Lutheran school in downtown royal oak (since they had full day kindergarten and my church pays the tuition). However, I have a lot of other friends who attend the royal oak school system and it is great. Northwood elementary was just completely redone.

There are also a few other cities in the area that are nice, but having access to the study areas in royal oak (and being close to your classmates since half live in royal oak and the other half will be down in detroit) is very nice.

If you have any other questions (I know I was apprehensive about starting med school with a child) just message me!
 
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Without repeating what everyone else has said, I just wanted to add that Royal Oak is wonderful. I have a 5 year old who attends St. Paul Lutheran school in downtown royal oak (since they had full day kindergarten and my church pays the tuition). However, I have a lot of other friends who attend the royal oak school system and it is great. Northwood elementary was just completely redone.

There are also a few other cities in the area that are nice, but having access to the study areas in royal oak (and being close to your classmates since half live in royal oak and the other half will be down in detroit) is very nice.

If you have any other questions (I know I was apprehensive about starting med school with a child) just message me!
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Don't rule out St. Clair Shores, basically right next to Grosse Pointe. Same benefits of driving mult routes. Decent public schools, and a handful of nice private ones as well, bonus is that the taxes aren't as bad in the Shores as in GP. I have two toddlers (pregnant twice in med school) and I like it there. Close to shopping, lots of parks and a really nice community program set-up for everything from swimming lessons for the kids (we take ours on Sat morning) to dance and karate which are all pretty cheap. It is more like a suburban family oriented area/quiet streets lots of trees etc. PM me if you want.
 
Thanks Guys. i really appreciate the help. Didn't expect to meet all these helpful people but I have been really impressed with the way folks at Wayne go out to help others. The wife and I will be visiting these areas soon and I will be PM'ing you guys soon.
 
abearhin said:
Thanks Guys. i really appreciate the help. Didn't expect to meet all these helpful people but I have been really impressed with the way folks at Wayne go out to help others. The wife and I will be visiting these areas soon and I will be PM'ing you guys soon.
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Hey, I'm starting in august as well.

Just wanted to offer my help. I'm living in GP right now (grew up there) and am familiar with the east side suburbs. Did a master's at Wayne. Wanted to offer my assistance as well if you need any input/advice.

Pretty much all the advice has been spot on so far. Living in Grosse Pointe Park will put you substantially closer to school than farther north/east into the pointes or SCS. I lived in GP City while doing my master's at wayne, and it always seemed that a majority of my commute was spent making it out of GP. This is likely due to the fact that while speed limits apply in GP they're more of a suggestion once you cross Alter.
 
"This is likely due to the fact that while speed limits apply in GP they're more of a suggestion once you cross Alter."

Heh, I laughed when I saw this. I'll be a first-year this fall and I also grew up in GP. In high-school we used to race down Jefferson once we passed Alter -- it wasn't unusual to go 70 mph -- as long as you timed the lights right.
 
Yikes! I would hope that starting the day at 6am will not begin until 3rd year rotations...
 
Is it absolutely necessary to have a car during 3rd and 4th year? Since it's not safe to walk alone at odd hours, does the hospital or university have a system where they can walk you to/from home (if living 3 or 4 blocks away)??
 
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Is it absolutely necessary to have a car during 3rd and 4th year? Since it's not safe to walk alone at odd hours, does the hospital or university have a system where they can walk you to/from home (if living 3 or 4 blocks away)??
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Not that I'm aware of...
But that might depend on what hospital system we are talking about... I've walked alone at some rather odd hours. All depends on your comfort level and where you are at.

General rule of thumb is that Detroit is a car town. You'll have a challenging time functioning well without a vehicle.
 
Any advice for 2nd year?
 
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Any advice for 2nd year?
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Doing well throughout the year is the best thing you can do for Step 1.

Also, use the notes on the Aesculapian site. They are gold.

And do a ton of questions regularly all year (3500 question challenge. Do it.)
 
Hey all,
Entering freshman hear from California ;-) I'm excited to start @ Wayne, but am getting anxious trying to find an apartment. I have a couple of housing related questions.

1) Is it better for MS1 to live near campus where grocery stores and restaurants are not that convenient, or to commute from Royal Oak or Gross Pointe where it is not only safer, but there things are easier to find?

2) For the commuters out there, what is the worst case commuting time for horrible weather conditions from RO or GP, where I am sure there are a lot of accidents? Also, what is your morning and evening commute like on average during the winter months? Do you find yourselves not going to class because of weather conditions often?

3) What is the safety situation really like in the Wayne area? I'm coming from a suburb in Southern Cali, so not at all used to living in the city. I don't plan on taking midnight walks, but can I walk around in the daytime or evening alone, no problem near campus?

4) The 9-5 schedule with 3 days per week of anatomy lab seems daunting? It seems like there is not enough time in the day to go to class and study! Do most of you guys just watch the video lectures rather than going to class all the time? What advice do y'all have on surviving the MS1 schedule?

5) Anyone live in University Towers? There is a mix of undergrads there. Is it relatively quiet or crazy like a college dorm? I have also heard UT is not well maintained. Any comments on this? I am considering: Kales, Millender, Riverfront, StudioOne, Washington Square or University Towers. Any feedback on these?

Thank you to everyone for your thoughts and comments. I have gained so much wonderful information about Wayne from this thread. Hopefully other incoming students can benefit from the answers that will hopefully come from this post.
 
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Find out if you really want to commute to school or just stream lectures. The days that are horrible snowy icy mess are few and far between. If you miss a lecture do to snow just stream it. Personally, I lived in Rochester Hills which isn't exactly close but I streamed lectures. Driving during M1/2 wasn't horrible. The normal traffic you have is worst by 696/75 up until 94 if you are coming from Royal Oak. Driving on Woodward is slow but depending on the time you are leaving can be faster than 75. As for Grosse Pointe, traffic is bad going West if I remember correctly.

As far as the safety around campus, it depends where you live. It is pretty safe for the most part but at night you have to use common sense. If you live near the main undergrad campus it is very safe as there is a lot of police presence around. Royal Oak, and Oakland County in general are much safer than Wayne County. Grosse Pointe and the surrounding areas are also pretty safe. Problem with the area around campus is the lack of grocery shopping available.

As far as streaming most people do it. It seems like in the beginning people try to go to lecture as it is what people are used to, but when you don't get any sleep at night because of studying you end up streaming at higher speeds and save time that way. The first block of courses tend to be the most rigorous in terms of rote memorization and you have to adapt quickly in order to do well. Biochemistry is also a difficult course that requires a lot of time. In general, the dirty secret of med school is that M1/2 classes don't matter much (which is true) though if you want AOA it is not easy to get it if you aren't honoring a lot of courses. There is Senior AOA but it's not easy to get unless your M1/2 courses are at least decent. Doing well on Step 1 is the most important factor, though doing well in your courses is good prep for doing well on Step 1. (And doing questions).

Someone who lives in the city may be able to help more regarding the good locations.
 
09876 said:
Hey all,
Entering freshman hear from California ;-) I'm excited to start @ Wayne, but am getting anxious trying to find an apartment. I have a couple of housing related questions.

1) Is it better for MS1 to live near campus where grocery stores and restaurants are not that convenient, or to commute from Royal Oak or Gross Pointe where it is not only safer, but there things are easier to find?

2) For the commuters out there, what is the worst case commuting time for horrible weather conditions from RO or GP, where I am sure there are a lot of accidents? Also, what is your morning and evening commute like on average during the winter months? Do you find yourselves not going to class because of weather conditions often?

3) What is the safety situation really like in the Wayne area? I'm coming from a suburb in Southern Cali, so not at all used to living in the city. I don't plan on taking midnight walks, but can I walk around in the daytime or evening alone, no problem near campus?

4) The 9-5 schedule with 3 days per week of anatomy lab seems daunting? It seems like there is not enough time in the day to go to class and study! Do most of you guys just watch the video lectures rather than going to class all the time? What advice do y’all have on surviving the MS1 schedule?

5) Anyone live in University Towers? There is a mix of undergrads there. Is it relatively quiet or crazy like a college dorm? I have also heard UT is not well maintained. Any comments on this? I am considering: Kales, Millender, Riverfront, StudioOne, Washington Square or University Towers. Any feedback on these?

Thank you to everyone for your thoughts and comments. I have gained so much wonderful information about Wayne from this thread. Hopefully other incoming students can benefit from the answers that will hopefully come from this post.
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1. Better to commute.

2. I think GP commute is better than RO, but depends where exactly you live. I'm in GP Park, my commute is 15-20 minutes, and there are 2 good alternate routes I can take if there is highway traffic. Bonus: GP roads and sidewalks are very well plowed in the winter. I didn't go to class because streaming video is more efficient.

3. The area around Wayne can be unsafe if you're alone, or at night. And don't park your car on the street.

4. We had anatomy lab 5 days a week. There is PLENTY of time to watch lectures, go to lab, study, and still party on weekends. They give you an entire month just to learn the arm! You'll catch on, it's not bad.

5. I've heard bad things about UT and StudioOne. Riverfront is nice, but I think only 1 of the towers has awesome condos and the others are old apartments. Washington Square is cool, I have some classmates living there and it's a good pregame spot for downtown activities. Lofts at Merchant row is nice too. Most people move out to the burbs by 2nd year.
 
@TMP-SMX & JoeCool: Thank you both for the wise info. I'm flying into Detroit on Monday to find an apt. I will narrow my search to Wayne, RO and GP.

Anyone on here live at University Tower or StudioOne who would care to comment on what its like, maintenance wise, noise issues, general problems? That would be most helpful.

I figured at least for the 1st year, it would be best to live near campus since I'm not comfortable not going to class just yet. Perhaps in time, that will change.

A follow-up question on the streaming lectures. What filetype are the lectures in, Windows Media, .MOV (quicktime), ,MP4?
 
JoeCool said:
Doing well throughout the year is the best thing you can do for Step 1.

Also, use the notes on the Aesculapian site. They are gold.

And do a ton of questions regularly all year (3500 question challenge. Do it.)
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Not sure what site you are referring to. Would you mind posting a link? Thanks for the tips!
 
ED527 said:
Any advice for 2nd year?
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pray to whatever god you believe in for mercy... and get ready for hell. ;)

in all seriousness though... just keep doing what you did in first year, just be ready to do a lot more studying. if you thought you studied as much as you could in first year, you'll be amazed how much more you can do in second year.

just try and keep up and learn as much as you can... this is the stuff that matters for boards, so start looking to what is in first aid, start annotating (but remember that a lot of the minutia you won't need to know).

also, i read robbins and did LOTS of questions (webpath, robbins qbook, lange and FA qbooks... and the review sessions). i felt like they helped, but remember you'll have to re-remember everything come board study time.

finally... although 2nd year is way more interesting.. just get used to second year not being compatible with life... and remind yourself that 3rd year makes it worth all the crap that is 2nd year. also... don't over commit to too many student orgs.
 
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