Western/Comp class of 2005

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I love what they've donw w/ this place. 🙂

It's only been about 3 months and we're close to 250 posts on this thread. You think we could get upto 500 b/f school start? 😀

Lately, I've been playing some basketball w/ some church friends, and it's really great! I haven't been playing much, so my muscles are all sore. Do you think we can have some ball game going this year at school?

Too much studying and not enough exercise, you know what will happen.

Just wanted to post. See you guys soon.
 
Anyone recieved any Financial Aid offers yet?? I just got my physical/health stuff together and FinAid is next! 😎


aol IM: adismo22
 
Arnold,
I am almost positive that I remember you from the Ostepathic Awareness Conference that I went to last August. I think that it was you on the student panel..
Am I way off base??? Just curious...Let me know..eh??


Lanny,
Sounds like a plan. I will be coming with another future COMP-er...my roomate to find housing...so we will all get together...I know RobbC will also be around...

Drop me a e-mail and we'll plan it out...

Cool!!
 
Yosh, Lanny, Innerpower, Melancholy, Vdub, and the rest in the LA area,

How does May 5th this coming Saturday sound? We can hang out at a local pub/bar since Yosh will be in town and get a chance to meet each other before we start SAPP and/or med school. Just post your thoughts so we can get things started. By the way, the WesternU party at Robbie's wasn't bad. Wish more students were there, the first year class had two exams this week, which was probably why there were so many no shows. It's cool though, I hung out with the cool physical therapists instead...they're awesome too.
 
wassup!

hey that azcom thread is catching up! well not really. anyways Arnold thanks for all the support and advice. i'm sure we can use ur assistance in creating a webpage. u did a great job at ucsd. oh what secret you referring to (i've got some buddies at comp huh!). you guys have a really cool and friendly class.

i might be down for may 5th...there are some things goin on in SD so don't know if i can come up...

prit
 
Yosh and Melancholy,

Yes...that was me on the OMAC panel last August. You know, the only one on the panel who was arguing against going into med school with the "2.0 = D.O." philosphy. Not that I'm a "gunner" (not even the slightest) but I believe in giving it your absolute best and not settling with just passing by.

As far as what recreation activities have happened, just go to our class website and there's a picture gallery (and a baby gallery of some students in our class!) of events that have happened. WARNING: it's a pretty long address....
http://student.westernu.edu/aecuenca/DO2004/homepage.htm

I'm just an amateur at this webpage stuff and am still trying to learn. but it's just a hobby after all.

Many of you are asking about the SAP and ISAC program, so I'll throw in my two cents...

The people that I know that took SAP said that they were glad they took it since it helped them get acquainted with the terminology.

My personal experience with ISAC people during the first semester was mixed. There were some people who were quite helpful and modest, but there were those that were completely stuck on themselves and thought they were the $hit. The plusses of this particular program were that ISAC students didn't have to take Anatomy with us, leaving them A LOT of time to excel in other classes. About half of the people on the Dean's list (the top 10% of our class) are from the ISAC program. In addition, for serving as a facilitator, you also supposedly get extra points which helped many ISAC students get A's in the class (they were also included in the 6% curve as well). I knew a couple who got close to 100% totals.

The negatives are that if you are a prick as a facilitator, you won't win any favors among your classmates, and they WILL despise you. (that's because they will be stressing out w/ anatomy plus all of the other classes). As a facilitator, your fellow classmates will look to you as a Teaching Assistant (which is an unfair assumption) putting unnecessary stress on your life. Also, should you not meet the satisfactory requirement of passing ISAC, you will have wasted 7 weeks of your summer. There was one guy I know who went through this and he hated being at COMP.

there are + and - with the ISAC program, as with any medical school. One thing you want to also keep in mind: grades aren't everything. All of the clinicians that come in (especially the COMP alumni) stress that grades don't have a major influence in where you will practice, or what residency you will land. Your board scores and your rotations performance are the most important. Grades do have some role, but if you think about it, some medical schools have "more difficult" programs than others (teaching quality, course scheduling, etc.). What equalizes everyone? Your board scores and your rotation performance. again, something to keep in mind (I'm still promoting do your best by the way....).

thanks for listening,

Arnold
 
break off some more details abt meeting, it could be possible, a bar sounds cool, even tho im a non alchy, but anyways, let us know 😀
 
Robb,
Just a quick "heads up"...I will be in L.A. from June 1 to June 9...not MAY!!! You guys should all get together...but make sure you all have energy for when I get there in the first week of JUNE!!!!

--John
 
Aecuenca,
ahh.. ok I thought that was you. I just remember someone mentioning SOMA down in SD and starting it up and that somehow rang a bell. It's good to have you with us though.. esp. someone who is pretty involved/up-to-date with the going-on's at the school. As for ISAC, do you think the people who went through the course successfully (and didn't have to take the regular anatomy course) have as solid a background in anatomy as the students who took the regular course? That's something I am sort of worried about.. accelerated learning, but maybe not being able to get all the solid fundamentals down. As for being a facilitator, that definitely doesn't sound like a cakewalk. Hopefully, the facilitators picked after this summer will do a good job and help out their fellow classmates.

You know what.. I had to think about that 2.0=D.O. for a second, but I remember something being said about the last person in a med school class is still a doctor. While that is true, it's not something to feel proud about.. and I think just about everyone has the ability to do better than that unless there are some special circumstances. At any rate, the bottom line is you only get as much as you put into it.

Innerpower- basketball sounds great. I used to play that so much before college.. then it became infrequent in college.. and afterwards, almost non-existent.. but nothing better to build up a sweat with your buddies! Oh yeah.. where are the closest basketball courts? (Anyone at Western want to answer this.. feel welcome to!) Back in Houston, TX.. Baylor Med school has a indoor sports facility with a large gym to play basketball at practically any time during the day/night. Anyway, it would be great to have a place to shoot some hoops for a study break or something.

RobbC- hey Rob.. Melancholy=Lanny.. which is my real name! Like Vdub, I'm not intent on getting wasted or anything, but I could probably make it for a drink or two. Anyone else up for it maybe?

-Lanny
AIM: LannyHsu
ICQ: 7693135
 
With regards to the anatomy question, the people that I know who did extremely well had some kind of background in Anatomy. One of them was a physical therapist and another had a Master's degree in Anatomy already.

Hope that helps,

Arnold
 
Concerning this 2.0=D.O. saying. I really don't like it. I know that you guys are refering to being able to graduate with a 2.0 from a DO school, but did you guys know that the term 3.0=DO was a derogatory term used in the medical community to refer to the quality of DO graduates back then. Since then, people have stopped using the term, but resurrecting the term to be used in DO school is not something I agree with.

As an analogy (although not quit the same circumstances, but you get my point): African Americans are using the term N*gger among themselves, but that term was used in a derogatory way among whites. Blacks don't want whites calling them N*gger now, so why in the world they want to use it among themselves is beyond me.
 
This 2.0=D.O. thing is a little troublesome to me. What also troublesome to me is the saying "What do you call a med student who graduates last in their class?...DOCTOR." In my opinion, we worked very hard to get where we are now, why stop now? Work your ass off and do well on your boards. I figure it this way, the better you do during med school and on the boards, not only do you get to compete for the residency of you choice, but also the less likely you'll end up killing somebody because you forgot the difference between treating Diabetes Type I and II.

As for the ***** vs. ****** comment. I agree, nobody wants to be addressed as ******. It is derrogatory, humiliating, and a testament to the injustices and racism of our past. But its seems to me that blacks, through the hip hop culture, morphed the word to N-I-G-G-A. i get the impression that it has become to signify brotherhood, but not be necessarily exclusive to blacks (although i also know of many people who dislike being called either). I don't claim to be an expert on the black culture for I'm nither black or white. This comes from some of my random conversations with some black friends and through my limited exposure to hip hop (MTv).

You see, this is the great part of going to school in SoCal. Not only are we studying to become doctors, but we also get to study in an environment that is very diverse and open minded.

peace!
~j
 
Well...this has certainly taken an interesting turn....


A little tension breaker...

Off on a completely differnt topic..I went to work today...and they were filming the new "Spiderman" movie by my hospital...on the Island I work on...Toby Maguire and some other people are supposed to be here later in the week....I need to get my ass in there as an extra....

Maybe Hollywood....instead of Pomona!!!
 
haven't posted in a while...so here goes 😀
hope everyone is enjoying the time we have left till school begins

prit
 
Hi! I have a question for any 1st years or other upperclassmen regarding laptops.

I was wondering how often you use the floppy drive and CD-ROM during class and if you need to use it a lot. The reason I'm asking is because I'm debating whether or not to get a lightweight laptop with external drives or a heavier one with the drives built in. Any insight would be extremely helpful. Thanks! 🙂

My shouts to all the 2005'ers. This is a cool 😎 website and I look forward to meeting everyone. By the way, I called the financial aid office today and they said that award letters are being mailed out. They said I can expect to receive mine by next Friday.


Bye for now... 🙂
 
I have been looking into buying a laptop, but there are so many out there. Does anyone recommend one brand/type of others? Or a celeron over a pentium?
I don't know enough about the specifics of the laptops! 😕
Thanks.... 😛
 
Is anyone up for this Saturday still? Just wondering.. if not, no rush at all.. there is PLENTY of time to do this a bit later.

Gemini- I haven't had a whole lot of experience with laptops, but I think the main advantage of having a laptop (portability) is somewhat detracted from by having an external floppy drive or CD-ROM. I can definitely envision times when I might be at school/hospital and would need to pop in my floppy disk for a text file. Also, sometimes you maybe using medical software on your CD-ROM.. or perhaps just listening to a CD while you're plugged into a cubicle! If you have any intent of using your laptop frequently, you might want to consider getting a CD-recordable drive (CD burner) along with a floppy so you pretty much have everything you need. Remember, you have to lug the laptop around, but the only time you usually take it out is when you'll be using it for awhile.

Smiles- The past few months I've looked a little bit into learning how to build a computer and I still don't know half of what is out there at the moment. As for laptops, I am going to do some research.. regarding what features I might want and special deals that are out there.. so if I find something worthwhile I will post it up here. I think a safe bet would be to go with a Dell laptop because there are usually sales on the laptops and memory along with them.. and Dell has decent warranties as well.

Btw, today is my birthday! Feel free to offer me a proverbial drink (alcoholic or non-)sometime! 😉 At least I am still older than Prit..
 
Eighteen Pages? Wow! Someone asked about laptops and floppy drives and CD-ROM drives. The laptops at COMP have internal floppy drives, but I haven't used mine ever. The CD-ROM on the other hand is very nice to have as an internal unit. We regularly install software from CD so I would recommend an internal CD-ROM. With the network system we have I just can't see any reason to ever use a floppy again.

Veery
COMP Class of '04
(We'll see if Arnold "AECuenca" can figure out who I am)
 
wuz up everyone...

haha hey lanny i don't think i know a single person who will be in our class that will be exactly my age. everyone seems to be older...oh well. but i got your message online but i had just left. wished you happy b-day over icq...not sure if you checked.

anyways i agree with what lanny said about the laptops. i've been looking at the dell inspiron 8000 series. gonna get win 2000 for sure. already researched it and everyone who knows laptops says it is MUCH better than win me. more stable and more secure. about the drives...i was looking into the slim notebooks by sony...but after researching it seems like it would be a hassle carrying around an external cd drive. but i agree that the floppy is pretty much useless (especially on a network). so in short...dell has the best rep and service. their inspiron models seem perfect for what we need and more. several friends have dell and sony notebooks...so i'd recommend either one. no probs so far...

thaz about it...
prit
 
About this Sat. I'm afraid I'm out. Already made plans I can't get out of. 🙁

But when Yosh comes down in June, count me in. 😀

Hope to see you guys soon.
 
Hey all,

Sorry, I can't make it either (even though I brought it up) for this Saturday. I completely forgot it's graduation weekend for my sis at Loyola Marymount (where I graduated too). So that means I'll be going to quite a few grad parties this weekend. I'm sure we can set something up this June if not earlier. And if anyone knows of any good deals or discount group buys for laptops, keep us posted. I'm personally considering a Compaq 17XL570, selling around 2k with a 800mhz pIII processor, DVD-ROM/CD-RW combo drive, 14.1 active matrix, 256MB SDRAM memory, 20gig HD, 10/100 network card, and weighs in at 5.6lbs and only 1.29in thick.
 
Hey Melancholy, thanks a bunch for the info re:laptops. I called dell and talked to them about putting a computer together and they gave me a quote for the inspiron 4000 for less than $1900. The guy that helped me also told me to wait a few months and the prices would be majorly dropping, so I guess I will.I'll fill you guys in if and when... and happy late b-day Melancholy.... mine is tomorrow... 😀
 
Veery....Hmm...I believe he has a pose named after him on our picture gallery!

Arnold
 
A pose named after me? I'm sure Arnold has me confused with someone else. I spend all my time studying, and certainly would not pose for any photos that might be on our website.
 
Innerpower,
That's what I'm talkin' about! Good lookin' out!! That 1st week of June will be something to be remembered!


I have to look into this whole laptop situation too...I will have to get my "computer" friends in on this and get some suggestiosn and prices...
RobbC seems to have a sweet deal goign on over there....but I am partial to Dell..and will have to do some looking around..

About housing....
I was talking to my "future" roomate, and apparently he found some places to live in Ontario...I would like some feedback about the area.
I know the airport is there...and it was like 15-20 min from Western, but Chino Hills seems to be a bit a drive too...

Current students/locals...please comment..

One last issue....

The gym situation...I know Bally's from NY would rather be slit with razors and dunked in rubbing alcohol than give them a dime...I escaped the "Cult of Bally's" after a HUGE pain in the ass..and am looking towards L.A. Fitness...what is it like...and where are they located????

Thanks all....

27 days till I hit Pomona!!!

By the way...NYC hit 92 yesturday....!!!!

Summer is RAGING!!!!
 
i was in chino hills today lookin at some more pads, its took me 7 mins to get to school.... i looked at the plaza apts which are right behind comp, seems quite ghetto, and not appealing.. EL soreno apts were aioght, but still the area was bland... i think i m still leaning towards chino hills, its te closest to some real shops and the la fitness.. where else are all yall looking at
lakers in 6
san antonio in 6
philly in 7
milwaukee in 6
 
vdub,
I lived in Chino Hills this year and liked it a lot. Most of the students I knew lived in El Sereno and Claremont, it's close by and I think you get to use the Claremont library.

I'm going to most likely live in Chino Hills again, I like the more wide-open spaces. But really... it doesn't matter a whole lot, you're going to spend most of your time at school anyway... especially the first semester.

I also want to say hi to Arnold, b/c I know he'll read this eventually...... I see him on it all the time during class, or playing Starcraft! 🙂

Hope this helps,
Eric
 
eric what apts in chino hills did u live at.. what others do u recommend....

the comp library should be done by august right,... its gonna be 24hrs open...??

are the claremont libraries nice, good to study at, or busy and distracting... hey dont they have an all girls school there...hmm maybe i should venture over there

if u see a guy tackling robert horry at the lakers -sac game 1 that would be me

see ya
 
Hey Vdub- I believe the library should be done by the time we start school in August. Any of us taking summer programs will keep y'all updated with the progress of the library. Open 24 hours though? That seems like a lot to ask... but that would be great, especially for those commuting. Were you really that put off by the Plaza Apts? Hey... it's not as ghetto as living in the city.. but I agree that Chino Hills is a nice environment to live in.. conveniently close to new developing shopping centers.. and the LA Fitness.
- Oh.. I don't think tackling Robert Horry is going to screw up his game that much more. He has gotten beaten up in playoffs before and recovered pretty fast.
- I don't remember if any of the Claremont Colleges are all girls but I'll ask my friend at Pomona College. **Ok my friend said Scripps College is actually all-girls.. you satisfied? 🙂

Eric714- What direction is El Sereno in relation to Claremont or Pomona? Where do you guys play Starcraft anyway.. at home or at school?

Yosh- I don't like it when it gets hot in NYC.. subways and the city seem to "retain" all that heat.. I wish the same held true during the winter time. It's just sweltering hot in the summertime... I remember it well.
- As for Ontario, I think there are some alright areas.. only thing you would have to consider is the drive, but at least you have two major highways to pick from.. as long as both aren't stuck in the mornings you should be okay. As for the gyms, COMP gives students free membership to LA Fitness and there is one in Chino Hills about 10-15 minutes away if not closer. I haven't been inside the gym but it looks pretty big from the outside, so I assume it is well-stocked with everything you could want. Too bad it isn't open 24/7.

Smiles- I think I'll do some research on laptops today (Sunday) since I have some time to kill. Less than $1900 sounds good for a high-end laptop.. there might be ways to get the price down but we can work on that later.. and yeah, in a few months the prices WILL drop. What kinda specs/tech. requirements did you give the guy on the phone? At any rate, it sounds like RobbC has a nice setup going for his future laptop!
 
Hi Melancholy, Here is the information that I got from the Dell guy. This was the one that was ~$1900.

Inspiron 4000,700Mhz,Celeron,14.1 XGA,US (461-2728)
Memory:
128MB,SDRAM,Inspiron 4000,2DIMMS (311-4873)
Hard Drive:
10GB Hard Drive,9.5MM,Inspiron4000 (340-6361)
Floppy Disk Drive:
Lightweight Floppy Disk Drive (340-7931)
Operating System:
Dell Application Back-up CD,Factory Install (313-7222)
Operating System:
Dell Solution Center,VS 1.3,Inspiron,WW (412-2901)
Operating System:
Windows 2000,SP1,CompactDiskette,Inspiron 4000,English (420-3900)
Modem:
MINIPCI 56K+10/100,Inspiron4000/8000 (313-9795)
CD-ROM or DVD-ROM Drive:
8X/4X/24X CDRW,MG,Inspiron4000 (313-2009)
Factory Installed Software:
Norton Antivirus 2001,OEM,English (412-4630)
Option 1:
4cell Primary Batt LI-ION (312-3838)
Service:
1 Year Parts and Mail-in Laborwith 1 Year Telephone basedTechnical Support (902-0070)
Extended Service:
No Warranty, Years 2 & 3 (900-9054)
Misc:
AOL 6.0 CD for US (412-0619)
Misc:
Image Expert 200,Dell Edition (412-2108)
Misc:
Resolution Assistant,V3.2,Inspiron,English,World Wide (412-0176)
MS Office Small Business XP,CDwith Docs, English,OEM Package (412-1200)
Microsoft Money 2001 BOEM,CDwith Doc,English (412-2356)

**What do you guys think of refurbished systems because they are soooo much more affordable?
 
Nice to see this board moving again!

I am really confused about where to live...I need to find a place that will let me have a dog...which doesn't seem all that likely in L.A....anyone know of anywhere?

I watched the America Undercover special after the Sopranos..and it was based on the Bellevue Psych Ward..which is connected to my hospital. Bellevue is a NYC public acute care and mine is NYC chronic and long term hospital. It was nice to show my family the people I deal with on a daily basis...

I gotta get on the stick with this laptop thing too...I really need to start looking....
 
hey you guys...

just thought i'd share something about laptops. if you are going to get a dell...be aware that we will need ms powerpoint for the lecture notes. and this is only available w/ms office std. or professional or xp. hope that makes some sense. the small business edition does not include powerpoint. if you have a copy of office 97 sitting around at home then save the money and just load it up once u get the laptop. let me know if you understand what i'm saying. also...i hear the refurbished systems are a great deal but if possible i would get the 3yr warranty with it. you never know...could get the 1/100 that is plagued w/probs.

oh and yes...where do u guys play starcraft 😀 anyone play some quake III?
and summers back east suck...humidity?! nasty! nothing like s. cali 😀

prit
 
Hey Vdub,
I was at the Laker's game yesterday...man, I smell a sequel....
Shaq is fan-diggidy-tastic!
 
Eric...are you recruiting already from the 2005 class?
 
what apts in chino hills did u live at.. what others do u recommend....
i lived in Woodview. The only other one I could remember is Portofino. I'm probalbly going to live there next year.

What direction is El Sereno in relation to Claremont or Pomona?
It's at the border of Claremont and Pomona, I think technically Claremont. Ask Arnold about that one.

Where do you guys play Starcraft anyway.. at home or at school?
We usually play at school over the network. But the administrator found out and blocked us out for some reason. So we've resorted to buying hubs and playing after class, during class or whenever.

**I don't recommend doing this during your first semester** I don't want to get blamed by Arnold for corrupting you!

Arnold, just trying to recruit players that aren't that good that you could beat 🙂

Eric
 
if i recall, el soreno is on towne ave. just north of arrow hwy.

~j
 
El Sereno is just about 100ft away from the border of Claremont...so it is technically Pomona.

Gettin' a little cocky after your win against Your Worst Nighmare, eh? just kidding.

-Arnold
 
Hey.....I get a NYCOM interview today! Since I am a NY in-state resident...it's high time eh???
Oh well....I am set on Cali...I'll have to call 'em and cancel tomm....
 
Originally posted by peiyueng:
•20 pages!•

yeah...but only the two of us responded all day 😀
 
Hey guys,

I've got a friend who's going to COMP right now that's living in the El Sereno Apts in Pomona/border of Claremont as Arnold puts it. She says the fridge and furniture are not included in the rent. She would like to sell some furniture and a fridge before she moves out for the summer. If anyone's interested drop me an email and I can relay the message.

On another note, I finally got my financial aid award letter. I'm glad COMP's pretty generous. Now I gotta figure out how much I really need/want to borrow.
 
has any one actually decided exactly where they are gonna live
 
Originally posted by vdubpower:
•has any one actually decided exactly where they are gonna live•

I need to find a roommate before i sign a lease. i have 5 places in mind so if i can find a roommate before june, i think finding an apartment should be smooth.
i'm going to call student services later today.
~j
 
I decided to go for the Plaza right by school. The complex is nice and I'd rather walk than commute. I've been doing a 35 mile each way commute to work for three years now. I didn't see anything outside of Pomona, but it's the best I saw within. I'm planning to move June 1 since ISAC starts June 8. Will anyone else be around then?
 
I will be there on June 1st...I am gonna be there to look at apartments..and figure out where I am gonna live...
The general consensus seems to be that it is way too far to commute from Ontario...and I want to live w/in a 10-15 minute drive.
As it stands now...I commute abotu 45 minutes into Manhattan daily...and WILL NOT continue that during school...

E-mail me...and we'll make plans to meet up....
 
Hey guys!
I admit I have been reading the posts, but since I have this tendency to write on and on, I figure I should give the AZCOM thread a chance to catch up and not write every day.
Today was a pretty busy day.. I got my TD booster, first Hep B series, and blood drawn for the Varicella IGG titer (Getting stuck three times isn't the same as getting multiple teeth pulled in the same sitting!). Afterwards, I went to the Plaza and spent some time going over things with Dennis.. I finally put down my deposit on a 1 bedroom (Plan B)! I ended up negotiating to move in June 1st.. so Gemini and Yosh, I will be around if you guys want to hang out. (Gemini, if you'd like.. I could help you move in or we could make some collective trips to IKEA. If you have any questions regarding the apartments you can ask me too. Are you planning on coming down to see the apts. before June? Send me an email or contact me via ICQ/AIM).

John (Yosh)- that commuting is rough stuff.. I still can't see how you guys can just sit and fall asleep on the subway.. even if you do have a long commute. I get worried someone will jack me or I will miss my stop which I've done most of the times.. heh. How long are you sticking around again.. and where are you gonna be staying?

That's interesting that fridge is not included in these apartments around the area.. I've always had a fridge included wherever I went. At any rate, Dennis (manager for Plaza) said there are a lot of places nearby to buy used fridges.. depending on what you're looking for, it could be as cheap as $100. This definitely is cheaper than renting one.

RobbC- Hey, I might be interested in seeing what your friend at COMP has to offer. Approximately when is she planning on moving out? Ideally, I would love to come by the beginning of June after I have my apartment. Could you please pass my info to her? Thanks.

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Random weird comment for today:
I just watched a Nestle Crunch Candy Bar commercial with Shaquille O'Neal (LA Lakers basketball star) walking up to a snack dispenser machine and shake it up and down trying to shake out Nestle Crunch bars. What struck me as a little odd was the little white fine print at the bottom of the TV screen stating "Do not attempt." I can understand those informal disclaimer messages for car commercials with stunts.. still, makes you wonder...

Lanny
[email protected]
icq: 7693135
aim: LannyHsu
 
Originally posted by vdubpower:
•where exactly are u lookin at•

i'm looking at indian hill villas (on indian hill blvd), plum tree apts, el sereno, and indian hill apts (of garey ave.)...they're all pretty much in northern pomona/claremont. two of these apartments came with fridges, and i was also told i could buy a refurbished fridge for about $200, which is actually an excellent deal as opposed to renting for $25 /month.
 
Speaking of apts...anyone know of apts that allow dogs? I need to bring my dog...and don't seem to be having any luck finding anything.....

Please help...
 
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