What Are My Chances and Other General Questions

[CrepesofWrath]

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I'm grateful to everyone for taking the time to read and give advice. I'll try to respond to some points in the order that I saw them.

A lot of you guys were awake really early this morning....

 

[CrepesofWrath]

Not 2 years' delay. Apply while you are getting your master's. Apply for a third time only if you need to.

Note that if you choose to enroll in a post-bac or "special master's program," you MUST be in the top of your class. Otherwise, game over.

Note also that 3.65 is around the median GPA for being accepted into medical school these days. Even with a 3.4, you will be in the lower quartile of applicants. You may also want to consider applying to DO schools.

F12, thanks again for the advice. The predicament here is that most special master's programs are intended to be completed in a year. If I signed up now for a master's program starting in the fall, I would have to apply next summer (2009) for it to make a difference since applying this summer (2008) would mean applying with basically unchanged stats.

I have two plans on the table.

First, finishing the remainder of the school year at my job at Wash U Medical School, then taking postbac classes 'a la carte' as I mentioned above for the 2008-2009 school year. If I do well, my sci GPA will be 3.3+. I could apply at that point (2009), or I could go on to take a master's program and apply in the summer of 2010. This plan keeps my options open, but has the possibility of taking a lot longer. Also, this plan affords me the chance to buff up my ECs since I've been out of school for a while.

Alternatively, I could finish the rest of the year at my job and go for the master's this fall (2008). This plan is riskier because med schools use undergrad GPA as their cut off statistic, and it will remain unchanged as I apply again. I'm leaning towards a regular master's program because I'd rather take an additional year and do really well (with the possibility of generating published research) than take an SMP and pay $20,000+ for the opportunity to compete in a high stress environment with people as determined as I am to get to the top 5 places in the program.

What do you guys think?

 

[CrepesofWrath]

Vihsadas, just looked over your mdapps profile. With your stats and ECs, I'm shocked that you didn't get more interviews.

Get those apps in early and apply more broadly this summer... but then again, you already know better than me.

 

[BoilerWolverine]

I think that taking undergrad level classes to incrementally raise your GPA is a waste of time. Do some graduate work, and try and get published. Apply VERY broadly (at least 30 schools, I applied to 40) and hope for the best.

 

[brsboarder]

You shouldnt be too afraid as long as you apply broadly and to some of the easier to get into private schools. I did very well this season with a 3.4ish 34-37

 

[CrepesofWrath]

Did you apply to Texas schools? Depending on what school, some have lower means/median GPA/MCAT, they also really favor in-state applicants. Your GPA is low, but you have a killer MCAT showing you are intelligent and capable of being successful in medical school. When were your apps complete and where did you apply to? If you didn't finish until Nev/Dec, then your biggest issue is probably the tardiness of your application. If you applied to a bunch of top tier schools, even with the great MCAT, the GPA is going to hold you back.

I did, indeed, apply to Texas schools. I received one interview at UTHSCSA (San Antonio) for 11/19/07, but unfortunately failed to match during the match process two weeks ago. I have not yet received word about their alternate list despite an email and two phone calls to the admissions office, but I am pretty sure at this point that I didn't make it.

My AMCAS and TMDSAS applications were complete at the same time, in the middle of July. It's a little later than I would have liked, but not late enough that it would have hindered me, right? TMDSAS was unusual this year because it opened in June and they usually open in May. Applications were sent out on time, but processing was slightly delayed as they resolved my Texas residency status. Everything was received in Texas by August.

 

[CrepesofWrath]

I think that taking undergrad level classes to incrementally raise your GPA is a waste of time. Do some graduate work, and try and get published. Apply VERY broadly (at least 30 schools, I applied to 40) and hope for the best.

Thanks, BW. I looked over your mdapps, too. Way to stick to it. My friend Matt is going to U Cin this year, so you guys will be classmates. Congrats on the acceptances - I'll make it too, I'm sure.

 

[167649]

I'm not sure where I stand. Here are my stats:

Overall Undergrad GPA: 3.48
Undergrad BCPM: 3.48
Undergrad Major: Software Engineering (Montana Tech)
MCAT: I'm aiming for around 13/11/13 (37) or better.

Post-bacc: BioI (A), BioII(A), ChemII(A), OChemI(B), OChemII(A)

I have absolutely no research experience. I've been volunteering in an administrative area (no patient contact thus far, but I'm trying to get into the ED) for around 6 months (@ 4 hrs / week).

I work full time as a Software Engineer II with Lockheed Martin (3 yrs). I've been into Judo (and various other martial arts) the past eight or so years and have voluntarily taught children, college students, and law enforcement on and off throughout. I also have 1 professional MMA (cage fighting) match under my belt. I also have about 5 years of experience waiting tables. Other ECs include: College Radio DJ, Rugby, Mensa, Association of Computer Machinists, Montana Tech Alumni Industry Advisory Board Member, paint ball, swing dancing, cooking, sport bikes (motorcycles).

I was also pretty poor growing up, so I intend to apply with disadvantaged status.

My top school is the University of Colorado.

You're uGPA is a bit low but not too shabby, and you have a good post-bac record. If you're really in Mensa than you should have the brains to do well on the MCAT, just put your weight into it and get a good score. If you do I don't think you will have a problem numbers wise.

As textuality said I think an area you need to work on is clinical experience. Research is not necessarily something you need to have, but patient/physician contact is a must. You need to show the adcom that you know about this field and you know what it is like to work with the people in it. So far it doesn't seem that you have the experiences to back that up yet. Also, as previously said I would leave cage fighting out. You already have some interesting EC's and cage fighting has a lot of negative stereotypes, I am sure you don't fit them but an adcom may attatch that stigma to your app. It's up to you though.

Lastly, make sure to apply broadly. UColorado may be your first choice but make sure you have other options too.

 

[167649]

am I screwed? see my mdapplicants profile .. applied late too, 10/22 when everything was finally in (submitted in june, however .. but doesn't really count I'm afraid)

You're not screwed. Although you applied late (and to a narrow list of schools) you got a couple interviews. Although you have been waitlisted you may be pulled off. They have had plenty of opportunities to reject you by this point so the fact that your app is still alive at those places means they are still interested in the possibility of accepting you. Stay on the ball with them; send them updates, grades if you have any. Some people even send "bonus" LOR's. It won't make or break an application but if you're on the borderline it can be enough to tip the scales.

If the worst happends, and you have to reapply, make sure to apply to a broader list of schools, I would pick about 10 more. And make sure to be complete early. As you said it doesn't matter how quickly you submit the AMCAS, you are only complete when those secondaries and the fee is in.

 

[167649]

Thx for the reply and input Rooter. GPA and MCAT are the main stats of worry but as of now I feel I like a relative good handle on that area for the most part. Again nothing is guaranteed until its all done and over with but at least I know what the neccessary steps to take to improve in that direction. Im gona hopefully have 42 or more credits of As by this time next year idealy and will hit the mcats hard when i take them again in June.

Is there anything else that I could be doing?? Its not the end of the world for me if I have to wait to after college but it will be much tougher in every aspect since I will be independent. Im gona use this remaining year to do everything in my power to maximize my potential of getting in when I apply senior year. What else could i be looking at outside my grades volunteer and research to better myself?

Outside of your grades, I would try to get some good clinical experience. You said in your first post you are "thinking" about medical school. So volunteering in that setting can help solidify your desires to pursue this field. Research is also a good thing for an app, so stay on the course with it and get a good quality experience.

But as I said, you can always volunteer/work/research and even take the MCAT after college, but it is much harder to "fix" a GPA. So first priority are classes. If you can juggle lots of research and volunteering and still get all A's than do it, but if not put your effort into the grades.

 

[167649]

My turn.

Current Stats:
2.67 GPA from Georgia Tech (avg GPA 2.9), BCPM marginally higher.
Currently working in a Clinical Laboratory: Researching/Testing Neurotransmitter Diseases
Should start volunteering at a county hospital within the month, will be shadowing a doc in June.
Sparse ECs: Rugby team, Intramural Referee, Fraternity (better Freshman year, as was everything)
LORs: Will hopefully be strong, two from the doctors that run the lab I work in (well respected, Time articles, etc.) and one from ???


I've graduated and I'm up to my ears in student debt, going back is reasonably unreasonable at this stage. I will achieve a 37+ on the MCAT. I'm allowing myself no room for negotiation on that point, first practice test in a week. To show I'm not just full of false hope here, I'm dynamite on standardized tests; 1600 SAT and 35 ACT.

Do I have a shot? I don't want to go to a top tier school (first choice would be Louisville, GPA 3.6 and MCAT 29 averages), I just want to go. Open to DO schools, which have been suggested by the only person on an admission board that I've personally talked to.

Thanks for your time.

Edit: Also, suggestions for department I should volunteer in? They've got the best Trauma Ward in the area, but spots are listed as "limited". Also considering Infectious Diseases (my passion).

It is extremely difficult to gain an acceptance to medical school with under a 3.0. It is possible but of all the matriculants, only a select handful are in this category. Even with a killer MCAT it is going to be difficult to overcome. I would recommend you pursue some form of post-bac work; an SMP might be the best door for you. The downside; SMP's and other post-bacc programs are expensive. Don't know what to tell you there, you just may have to cough up the dough.

If you do apply, apply very broadly, including osteopathic schools. They traditionally are more forgiving on the numbers.

As far as the department you volunteer in, it doesn't matter. Just pick something you like and feel comfortable doing.

 

[BoilerWolverine]

Thanks, appreciate the kind words. Good luck!

 

[Chicago Person]

Aside from MCAT and GPA, I know med schools like an applicant that has had experience with the hospital setting and clinical aspects of medicine (volunteering, shadowing, etc). They also like to see a well rounded person, someone who has varying hobbies, interests, and abilities.

My question: how important do you think leadership roles are to a med school admissions committee? Do they care that you were the president of this-and-that, or would just having the name of the club/group on your resume have the same impact?

In other words, do med schools see good student leaders as good future doctors, or is this a connection that cannot be made?

Your knowledge and opinions would be appreciated...🙂

 

[Chicago Person]

JoeC - don't count your chickens before they're hatched. And by chickens I am referring to points on the MCAT. Its unlike any standardized test you have ever taken before, and a killer ACT/SAT score won't guarantee you a 37 -- the only thing that will do that is hard work. Study hard and achieve that score and you will be sure to raise some eyebrows, even with the 2.7 GPA.

Best of luck.

 

[zenlike]

You're uGPA is a bit low but not too shabby, and you have a good post-bac record. If you're really in Mensa than you should have the brains to do well on the MCAT, just put your weight into it and get a good score. If you do I don't think you will have a problem numbers wise.

As textuality said I think an area you need to work on is clinical experience. Research is not necessarily something you need to have, but patient/physician contact is a must. You need to show the adcom that you know about this field and you know what it is like to work with the people in it. So far it doesn't seem that you have the experiences to back that up yet. Also, as previously said I would leave cage fighting out. You already have some interesting EC's and cage fighting has a lot of negative stereotypes, I am sure you don't fit them but an adcom may attatch that stigma to your app. It's up to you though.

Lastly, make sure to apply broadly. UColorado may be your first choice but make sure you have other options too.

Thanks for the responses. I'm trying right now to get some volunteering experience in the ED, so by the time I apply I should have at least a few months of that going for me. By the time I interview, I'll definitely be more comfortable about my level of patient contact.

I was certainly debating with myself for a while about whether or not to include the cage fighting. But, I understand some adcoms have a favorable view of high-level athletes due to their commitment. If I can manage to express how it was a big growth experience and that, as a rule, I don't enjoy seeing people get hurt, I think I will include it on my application. Plus, I think it certainly lends a bit of uniqueness to my application.

 

[T12]

GPA through first 4 semesters is a 4.0 (includes all MCAT "pre-reqs") Chemistry major, that GPA won't stick for long thanks to those upper-level chem classes.

I'm at a small school in the UTexas system

Not much volunteer experience but I work as a transporter in a large hospital and consider it to be invaluable hospital/patient experience.

Kaplan baseline diagnostic was a 25, sure that that will improve significantly by July, when I take actual MCAT

What do you think?

 

[Textuality]

Thanks for the responses. I'm trying right now to get some volunteering experience in the ED, so by the time I apply I should have at least a few months of that going for me. By the time I interview, I'll definitely be more comfortable about my level of patient contact.

I was certainly debating with myself for a while about whether or not to include the cage fighting. But, I understand some adcoms have a favorable view of high-level athletes due to their commitment. If I can manage to express how it was a big growth experience and that, as a rule, I don't enjoy seeing people get hurt, I think I will include it on my application. Plus, I think it certainly lends a bit of uniqueness to my application.

Mmm... you still may want to try shadowing if possible. Patient contact is important, but I think what adcoms are also looking for is that you know the day to day life of a doctor, and have been exposed to (and understand) patient-doctor relationships, etc. As long as you can address stuff like that with experiences you've had, then you're probably fine. 🙂

Haha, I was president of a martial arts club on campus, and have fought in form and sparring competitions, which I included in my apps because it really was a growing experience for me in terms of confidence and leadership. I think you can safely put down Judo and the teaching experience. I would just stay away from the words "cage fighting" 😛 Maybe you can just call it "MMA competitor", and try to play up the mixed martial arts part, and play down the being in a cage part.

Good luck!

 

[surfstarj]

Even if you get a master's your uGrad GPA is still separated on the AMCAS application and they will see that. I did a master's (with a 4.0) but it was only 30 credits and picked my science gpa up about 0.2. I had pretty similar ugrad stats as you, overall gpa 3.43, science 3.17 and i picked them up with a master's.

I managed a few interviews (probably more than the number grubbers on here would have liked me to get) and 2 acceptances. You did your undergrad at a challenging school and most schools take this into, at least slight, consideration. On two interviews I was told that a 3.43 gpa is "more than respectable" for where I did my undergrad, for example. I would still recommend boosting it by post-bacc or master's but after that I think you'll gain acceptance with such a strong MCAT. Just apply really early so you're more likely to get interviews and actually get the chance to show them who you are in person!

 

[CrepesofWrath]

Thanks for the encouragement, surfstar. If you don't mind my asking, where did you get your interviews/acceptances?

 

[Law2Doc]

I would check myself into a SMP program (postbac is out of the question if you were a Bio major - already took all the classes) WHILE applying. I mean, why not. You do have a shot, but there is also a chance you won't get in immediately.

Apply broadly and apply early while getting ready for your SMP program. If you don't get in, you'll be more ready the next cycle.

I agree. With an above 3.0 GPA and a very high MCAT, I would think an SMP where you could prove your ability to handle med school level classes would be tailor made for this kind of applicant. When you do apply, apply to a TON of schools though, because the low GPA in undergrad science is going to turn off a lot of schools.

 

[RoadRunner17]

With your MCAT I think that a post-bacc is the way to go. I'd load up on classes, really load up. Then suck it up, and GET it done! Aim for that 4.0, and if you think you have the stones take 6 courses each semester at 36 credits then you should do that. It takes A LOT to raise a ****ty GPA (trust me, I know!).

You are going to have to be willing to sacrifice the next year of your life to get it above 3.3. My understanding is that a 3.3 BCMP is the 'primary review' cut at a lot of schools. If you have something else that stands out with your application (you do, you have your MCAT) you *may* be given a second review. But, just to be safe, get that BCMP above 3.3 at least. Get it higher if at all possible and I'd say you stand a good shot. Unfortunately your high MCAT may not be enough to get you an interview (Again, trust me, I've been there!).

If you don't think that 6 courses per semester is feasible, at least do 5. Really, the extra credits will help...but it takes a lot of them!

Hey Vihsadas, saw your MDapps - shocked that you didn't get more interviews. I'm more or less in the same boat - but I've done most of the legwork thus far.. I've been taking 4/5 classes a semester in a post-bac and I would like to agree with the sentiment that one good option is to go do a post-bac, gut it out and find out what you're made of..

That being said, I was wondering how you know that there is a 3.3 BCPM cutoff at most schools. It would be nice to know that because then it gives me yet another reason to run the board with my post-bac (which has been going well so far), to get me > 3.3 BCPM and overall. Those types of things can be good for the motivation.

 

[GoBuckeyes913]

i don't think that you'd be totally doomed with either a 3.2 and much less with a 3.4. then again it all depends on other factors, what's your MCAT score, what extracurricular stuff have you done, how good of a writer are you, what are your recommendations going to say about you and of course, what schools you're looking to get into.

if everything else is stellar then don't worry about the gpa and try applying, rather than spending a boat load of money on a masters.

This is really good advice and completely accurate. I graduated college with a 3.4 GPA, so it's not a long shot to be considered for admission (Now I'm approaching my 4th year in med school). I know how you feel, because a long time ago I felt the same way.

First, I suggest researching program's websites you are interested in to see their applicant requirements. Some programs will list their current students average GPA and MCAT scores. So many med students DO NOT have a 4.0 GPA, and I hope everyone that is pre-med doesn't think you need one to be considered. Fact: An admissions committee would rather take a student with a 3.5 GPA and an awesome CV(curriculum vitae), then a student with a 4.0 and no extra curriculars. I dont want to come off the wrong way and make it seem like getting accepted is a piece of cake, it isn't, and there is a lot you have to do to make yourself stand out.

When you apply to med school, you have to market yourself to make programs want you. You want them to read your application and say "This guy/gal would bring a lot to our program". That means you need to write good application essays, have a good MCAT score, and have a killer CV. Med schools want well-rounded people, which makes sense since you will be dealing with diverse populations and cultures as a physician.

The essays they will most likely ask you to write will consist of "Why do you want to go into medicine?" and "What are your strengths and weaknesses", or "What would you bring to this program?", "Why do you want to come to this program?". Don't ever put in your essay "I want to help people"... you can join the Peace Corp for that. Site a personal experience that turned you on to medicine. Tell them a story, but not a long one. Keep your essays no longer than one page.

Also, study hard and get a good MCAT score. MD and DO programs will prefer you get at least in the mid 20's to even be considered for an interview. Even though I had a 3.4 GPA, I studied hard and did good on the MCAT. You can take the MCAT up to 3 times, so if you don't get the score you wanted the first time, take it again. If you have to take a year off after graduation, that will not hurt your chances either (I took 2 years off between undergrad and med school).

Since you are only a junior, try to get involved with some research at your college. Talk to the biology/chem profs at your college and find out what kind of research they are conducting and pick something that interests you. Some of them have a research class you can register for a semester. If not you can volunteer and put in a few hours a week in the lab or help write papers. Either way it will be part of your CV, and programs LOVE research experience. (Yes, I did research in undergrad)

If you play any sports (rec or NCAA), that is a bonus. If you are involved in music/play an instrument, that is a bonus. If you volunteer at a hospital/nursing home (or anywhere for the matter).... SUPER BONUS. Put it in your CV. If you made dean's list or recieved any award in college (even if it was for only a semester), mention it. If you have nothing to beef up your CV, then get involved in stuff I mentioned now while you still are in college. I suggest shadowing a doc for a week or so, that way you can ask them to write a letter of rec for you (and it looks good).

I hope this info helps you and anyone else concerned. If you want to know more personal info that I did in my application process, please do not hesistate to ask. I wish I had someone to give me pointers and I'm totally willing to chip in advice if you need it. Good luck to you! 😀

 

[surfstarj]

Thanks for the encouragement, surfstar. If you don't mind my asking, where did you get your interviews/acceptances?

Interviewed:

UConn
UNC
Case
and declined 2 other interviews for lack of interest after I got into UConn.

I completed 16 secondaries and was offered 5 interviews (albeit, late in the season). I definitely got my share of post-sec rejections/silenced/hold-into-oblivions...

You will get in somewhere, it sounds like you have a very reasonable story for your GPA (tho you'll still need to raise it to prove the point that you're capable). Your personal statement should also be exceptionally compelling for them to suspend disbelief they might feel from your GPA. Luckily, that's a reasonable task. Your MCAT is tremendously helpful...I wish you the best of luck!

 

[JoeC]

JoeC - don't count your chickens before they're hatched. And by chickens I am referring to points on the MCAT. Its unlike any standardized test you have ever taken before, and a killer ACT/SAT score won't guarantee you a 37 -- the only thing that will do that is hard work. Study hard and achieve that score and you will be sure to raise some eyebrows, even with the 2.7 GPA.

Best of luck.

Chicago Person - Thanks for the advice. I very much understand the importance of studying, I'm up to my eyeballs in physics review (chem/bio is a lot easier, because I'm using it daily) right now. Took a breather to check out the posts on here.

Also, can't wait to see what St. Paddy's looks like in Chi-town, it'll be my first visit.

 

[Chicago Person]

I'm not doing so well with this application cycle. Take a look at my stats and tell me what you think.

Wash U Class of 2006, 23 years old, M, Asian American
3.07 Sci, 3.32 Cum, 37 P (10PS 14V 13BS)
Psych major, Bio minor, English minor
Texas resident

There are plenty of people who have posted on these forums and they have gotten in to med school with a 3.3 (some even lower), and much lower MCAT scores. I don't know if your chances are so bad right now that you couldn't get in somewhere.

Also, when did you take your MCAT? I'm asking because I see you graduated in 2006. If you took your MCAT before then, then you'll have to retake it to be accepted. MCAT scores are good for only three years. That's something you probably already knew, but I wanted to say it in case you didn't.

 

[chromejs10]

Hi everyone, I'm new to this forum. I just had a few questions that I was hoping could be given some light.

I am a California resident and a Sophomore in undergrad majoring in Computer Science and Pre Med. Currently, my cumulative GPA is 3.605. As for the premed courses, I got a B+ in the calculus based physics course and an A in Biology 2. I passed out of the calculus classes because of a 5 on AP Calculus BC exam (I read med schools want a calculus college course) The other classes I have not yet taken.

I am currently volunteering in the Emergency Room at one of the top medical schools hospitals in the country.

Extracurriculars: Play team tennis matches in the USTA and played intramural tennis at my college

Here are my questions:
1) if I were to keep my GPA at a 3.605 and do fairly well on MCAT, do I have a good chance at getting into a good CA Medical school?
2) As you can see, I'm a bit behind in my premed classes. I plan to graduate in 2010 but as of right now, I won't be done with my prereqs until after my second semester of senior year. Does that mean I don't take MCATS until after I graduate? Won't that mean I'll essentially have to take a year off between medical school and undergrad?
3) If I do have to take a year off due to a late taking of the MCATS, will that hurt my chances of getting in to medical school? It seems that the schools only like that year off if you decide to travel and get some worldly experience. However, I won't really be able to afford such luxuries. I wouldn't want that schools to frown on my not being entirely productive (I would probably keep volunteering at the hospital I'm at)
4) As for recommendations for medical school, do those of you who volunteer at a hospital, do you get to know doctors well enough to get them to write a letter of recommendation for you?

Thanks a lot, I'm really enjoying this forum.

P.S. I apologize for such a long post.

 

[dizzyorange]

1.Yes
2.You won't be forced to take a year off, although it will be somewhat difficult to take the MCAT if you haven't finished physics, or biochem, or orgo for example. If you are the type that can teach yourself physics II (or whatever pre-req) from a book, then go ahead and take the MCAT your junior year. Med schools won't mind if you're finishing pre-reqs your senior year.
3. Nope, lots of people take a year off. Just do something productive.
4. Yes, that kind of letter will be helpful.

 

[RSAgator]

1) Yes but shoot for A's regardless...the stronger the GPA, the better an applicant
2) Do the MCAT right the first time. People have had success taking the MCAT without taking the pre-reqs, but most people have the pre-reqs and then some. In such a competitive state do you really want to give yourself an inherent disadvantage compared to the people you're competing against? Don't shoot yourself in the foot, if doing all you can to do well on the test involves taking a year off then do it. Get a job/make some money and do some things you always wanted to do in the mean time. It will only strengthen your application if you maintain your focus on medicine.
3) You don't need to do something life changing. Plenty of people take time off before med school, and in my opinion it can only work for you.
4) It's important. If you're volunteering right now then do everything you can to give the doctor a good impression and get a letter from him. When you're done volunteering ask if it'd be ok if you get one and I'm sure he'll oblige.

 

[chromejs10]

Thanks a lot for all of the input. I appreciate it. Cheers to all those who have been accepted into their schools of choice

 

[ChubbyChaser]

Hey guys I have been contemplating about this alot. I am pretty sure Wake Forest is my top choice right now, and I was wondering if you guys would think it to be a good idea to apply Early Decision to Wake??? Or is it too Risky with my stats?

 

[Chicago Person]

4) As for recommendations for medical school, do those of you who volunteer at a hospital, do you get to know doctors well enough to get them to write a letter of recommendation for you?

Thanks a lot, I'm really enjoying this forum.

P.S. I apologize for such a long post.

In response to question number 4, I'm don't see why a recommendation letter from a nurse would be bad either. I volunteer at a hospital, and I am much more familiar with the nurses on staff there than the doctors. Med schools want proof that you work effectively in a healthcare environment. As long as the person has seen you interacting and helping patients firsthand, then does it matter if they're a doctor or a nurse? I don't think so. Choose the person who can write you think knows you better, and that will translate to a better rec letter.

 

[Speedracerx47]

So I've heard nothing back from ten of the thirteen schools that I applied to. Is it still possible to get an interview this late in the year or should I just give up?

 

[mrmilad]

Hey guys,

I'm currently finishing up my undergrad at UCLA. I'm an Ecology and Evolutionary Biology Major, with a GPA of 3.94. I was a transfer student from a community college and had a major GPA of 3.90 there prior to transferring. I took the MCAT last summer and got a 33R which was a bit of a disappointment considering I was averaging 35.I have some EC's that are included here http://www.mdapplicants.com/viewprofile.php?myid=9879. Although I am satisfied with the score, I am a bit concerned about my level of competitiveness in California. I am rather desperate to attend a school in Cali, so I am thinking if it might be necessary to retake the MCAT? I know that with my score I can get into a school somewhere, but is it workable for Cali school? So therein lies my problem, so what do you guys think?

I

 

[ChubbyChaser]

Hey guys,

I'm currently finishing up my undergrad at UCLA. I'm an Ecology and Evolutionary Biology Major, with a GPA of 3.94. I was a transfer student from a community college and had a major GPA of 3.90 there prior to transferring. I took the MCAT last summer and got a 33R which was a bit of a disappointment considering I was averaging 35.I have some EC's that are included here http://www.mdapplicants.com/viewprofile.php?myid=9879. Although I am satisfied with the score, I am a bit concerned about my level of competitiveness in California. I am rather desperate to attend a school in Cali, so I am thinking if it might be necessary to retake the MCAT? I know that with my score I can get into a school somewhere, but is it workable for Cali school? So therein lies my problem, so what do you guys think?

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Do not retake unless you had below a 9 in a section. California is difficult but a 33 and a 3.9 are above there averages so do not retake especially since you scored within your range. Now if you were averageing a 39 and mad a 33, I would tell you to retake. I am anecdotal evidence, I was averaging a 35 as well, and only made a 31, so take your 33 and run with it.

 

[chromejs10]

Hey guys,

I'm currently finishing up my undergrad at UCLA. I'm an Ecology and Evolutionary Biology Major, with a GPA of 3.94. I was a transfer student from a community college and had a major GPA of 3.90 there prior to transferring. I took the MCAT last summer and got a 33R which was a bit of a disappointment considering I was averaging 35.I have some EC's that are included here http://www.mdapplicants.com/viewprofile.php?myid=9879. Although I am satisfied with the score, I am a bit concerned about my level of competitiveness in California. I am rather desperate to attend a school in Cali, so I am thinking if it might be necessary to retake the MCAT? I know that with my score I can get into a school somewhere, but is it workable for Cali school? So therein lies my problem, so what do you guys think?

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Are you kidding? That's like...the perfect application. UCLA is a crazy hard school, and to get a 3.94 there is like getting a 4.5 at a state school (yes I'm exaggerating). As for the MCAT, generally from what I've read, 31+ is considered competitive at CA schools. I guess it all depends on what schools you want to get into. Hardest would probably be UCSF in California. Good luck, you are pretty much guaranteed to get in SOMEWHERE, most likely a really good school

 

[nyc5614]

Hey Crepes,

I hope that the crappy personal luck (i.e. your hometown being attacked) didn't coincide with taking Wash U's ridiculous chem curriculum 🙄

You should have a very good shot. I think that WU's reputation for weedout classes is beginning to precede it, and your MCAT scores are amazing.

Good luck!

 

[shamwe]

the only thing i would recommend is perhaps doing a little more volunteering within a clinical setting- other than that, you seem really well rounded and like a good applicant.

as for early decision, i am not sure how i feel about that- in general, unless you are an all-star (4.0, >37, works with starving orphans, etc.) and dead set on a certain place, i wouldn't go that route. mainly because if you don't get in, you have to submit your stuff everywhere else in october, which is really late in the game. i feel like it is best to submit everything to everywhere in june-july, and see what works out.

 

[Chuckwalla]

So what do you guys think? Are my chances of getting in better if I do early decision or regular? And if regular, is my list of schools ok?

Everything I have heard said early decision is for your peace of mind. You will not get a better chance of acceptance.

 

[175961]

Sorry to trail off topic...but happened with this computer glitch on the MCAT?? I just never heard anything about it until now

 

[PanicAttack]

The Admissions office at MUSC is very forthcoming about stuff...if you have close ties to SC, you will definitely get an interview. When I called, I told Joan my stats and she told me over the phone that I would interview if I applied.

I think you are a strong EDP candidate at MCG if you are instate - keep in mind they prefer people who will express an interest in practicing in underserved areas of Georgia. I regret not applying EDP to MCG.

 

[ChubbyChaser]

I posted this earlier, but got no responses. What do you guys think of me applying EDP to Wake Forest, I love everything about wake minus tuition and that they only give honors to a max of 15% (but then again I dont know the grading norm at most schools).

 

[FBIDoc]

Hi all...it's great to see this thread...lots of valuable information...

Here's my dilemma:

cgpa 2.63 sgpa 2.83 = many early undergrad screwups

3.53 gpa for physician assistant program at U of Washington SOM

currently have 3.3 gpa at PSU in the MPH program (graduate in June)

lacking OChem and (am I right biochem is a mandatory prereq?) Biochem as well as MCAT...

I was an EMT Paramedic for 12 years and have been a thoracic/vascular/trauma surgery physician assistant for 6 years at Legacy Emanuel and Southwest Washington Medical Center...published, doing active clinical research, AWESOME LORs from several prominent surgeons in the area...

Plan: take Ochem this summer at PSU as intensive, along with maybe Kaplan...take August MCAT...

From the locals: what do you think my chances are at avoiding the Caribbean and staying in the US (preferably in the Pacific NW)?

 

[ChubbyChaser]

Hi all...it's great to see this thread...lots of valuable information...

Here's my dilemma:

cgpa 2.63 sgpa 2.83 = many early undergrad screwups

3.53 gpa for physician assistant program at U of Washington SOM

currently have 3.3 gpa at PSU in the MPH program (graduate in June)

lacking OChem and (am I right biochem is a mandatory prereq?) Biochem as well as MCAT...

I was an EMT Paramedic for 12 years and have been a thoracic/vascular/trauma surgery physician assistant for 6 years at Legacy Emanuel and Southwest Washington Medical Center...published, doing active clinical research, AWESOME LORs from several prominent surgeons in the area...

Plan: take Ochem this summer at PSU as intensive, along with maybe Kaplan...take August MCAT...

From the locals: what do you think my chances are at avoiding the Caribbean and staying in the US (preferably in the Pacific NW)?

Your Amcas GPA would be a 2.63??? If so, I would say you probably have slim to no chance at getting into a US school, unless you can pull a ridiculous MCAT and then hope some school (most likely a DO) can overlook your GPA.

 

[FBIDoc]

Your Amcas GPA would be a 2.63??? If so, I would say you probably have slim to no chance at getting into a US school, unless you can pull a ridiculous MCAT and then hope some school (most likely a DO) can overlook your GPA.

Well if you factor in my grad school work my overall gpa is a 3.15... Also I miscalculated the original cGPA it's 2.93 and sGPA is 2.83

 

[Vihsadas]

Vihsadas, just looked over your mdapps profile. With your stats and ECs, I'm shocked that you didn't get more interviews.

Get those apps in early and apply more broadly this summer... but then again, you already know better than me.

Nah. It's not that shocking. A lot of people seem to think that the MCAT can trump GPA. Well, unfortunately, it doesn't. Does it help? Hell yea. Will it help you? Yup, it will. But its still an uphill battle. I also had a lack of clinical ECs and a rushed PS, so those were not good either. In addition to a really bad list of schools it's not that surprising that I didn't get any interviews. Anyway, next year man is our year. Good luck. 🙂 I think you have a good handle on the things that you need to do to get where you want to be.

 

[ChubbyChaser]

Nah. It's not that shocking. A lot of people seem to think that the MCAT can trump GPA. Well, unfortunately, it doesn't. Does it help? Hell yea. Will it help you? Yup, it will. But its still an uphill battle. I also had a lack of clinical ECs and a rushed PS, so those were not good either. In addition to a really bad list of schools it's not that surprising that I didn't get any interviews. Anyway, next year man is our year. Good luck. 🙂 I think you have a good handle on the things that you need to do to get where you want to be.

Vihsadas, will you be my study partner for Step 1, lol!!!
3 years from now you're gonna be posting with like a 260something.

 

[monkily_stealth]

I just have a general question. This is my second app cycle, and I have zero interview invites so far. Last year I had 4. My question is: why did this happen, is it tougher this year or just purely random?

I should note that I have additional volunteer experiences this cycle, and that I applied a month earlier than last year (done with most secondaries by Aug./Sept.).

 

[CrepesofWrath]

monkily,

I'm in much the same boat as you are. My understanding is that this application cycle, adcoms tended to pay a lot more attention to GPA than MCAT scores than in previous years. I looked at your mdapps - you have a broad list of schools, and you applied on the earlier side (July-September straddles from 20%-90% of applicants though). Have you stayed in touch with adcoms? It's definitely worth sending them some updates/letters of interest and making some discreet inquiries about interview possibilities. It can't hurt as long as you keep it classy.

That being said, it's certainly not too early to start thinking about the next application cycle. Keep up your extracurriculars and update your letters of rec, if you can. Get that primary in during the first week so that it gets processed with the first batch. And turn every secondary around as soon as you can! Stay relevant, stay positive. Good luck, mate.

 

[Lotus08]

Hi everyone! I was just wondering what your opinion was on my situation:

BCMP: 3.37
Overall: 3.4
MCAT 1: 9/10/10
MCAT 2: 8/7/9

I took the MCAT again hoping I would go up, obviously that didn't work so well. As of right now, I have not a single interview (which I clearly predicted).

My extracurriculars are average, nothing spectacular.
I graduate in May, so I will be taking a year off.

Even if I retake the MCAT and get a 30-33, I'm not sure I will be competitive for an MD school. What are your thoughts?

Also, what are my options?
DO? Caribbean? Do you think an SMP would help?

Thanks!!!🙂

 

[ChubbyChaser]

Hi everyone! I was just wondering what your opinion was on my situation:

BCMP: 3.37
Overall: 3.4
MCAT 1: 9/10/10
MCAT 2: 8/7/9

I took the MCAT again hoping I would go up, obviously that didn't work so well. As of right now, I have not a single interview (which I clearly predicted).

My extracurriculars are average, nothing spectacular.
I graduate in May, so I will be taking a year off.

Even if I retake the MCAT and get a 30-33, I'm not sure I will be competitive for an MD school. What are your thoughts?

Also, what are my options?
DO? Caribbean? Do you think an SMP would help?

Thanks!!!🙂

I think a 32 and 33 with good LORs , apply early, broadly and interview well. You should have a really good shot, if not definitely go DO over Caribbean.