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Just curious. Want to avoid getting "concern notes".
Killing people you meet over craigslist.
Burning down the med school.
Showing up to clinic everyday naked.
Drinking EtOH during PBL (out of the bottle).
Smoking a cigarette on the wards, while you present all your COPD pts on O2.
Giving the Dean an STD.
...all things that you would risk being labeled "unprofessional" over.
Just curious. Want to avoid getting "concern notes".
Anything that a particular faculty member deems unprofessional.
It really is that vague.
Copping an attitude with your Faculty
Continually late for required classes
Failing to hand in required paperwork on time
Not getting up to date on immunizations, despite warnings
Being late for rounds
Forgery
Cheating
Theft
Assault
Funny, our PBL sessions were right next to a cafe that served beer on campus. Had a beer before the last one we'd ever have with my group, was a bretty good time.Killing people you meet over craigslist.
Burning down the med school.
Showing up to clinic everyday naked.
Drinking EtOH during PBL (out of the bottle).
Smoking a cigarette on the wards, while you present all your COPD pts on O2.
Giving the Dean an STD.
...all things that you would risk being labeled "unprofessional" over.
Also: jumping into somebody else's Uber, refusing to leave when asked, trashing the contents of driver's car, kneeing driver in the groin, telling driver "you don't know who you are messing with," stumbling away when police show up.Hitting on a classmate, jumping out of a taxi to avoid the fare, giving patient summaries where you didn't see the patient and then matching derm.
Also: jumping into somebody else's Uber, refusing to leave when asked, trashing the contents of driver's car, kneeing driver in the groin, telling driver "you don't know who you are messing with," stumbling away when police show up.
What ever happened to her?Also: jumping into somebody else's Uber, refusing to leave when asked, trashing the contents of driver's car, kneeing driver in the groin, telling driver "you don't know who you are messing with," stumbling away when police show up.
When I was a chief resident, I quickly learned that residents with professionalism issues were much more trouble than residents with knowledge deficits. You can always teach knowledge and easily identify plans to improve that. But professionalism 'violations' mess with the flow of the whole system and make it difficult to provide good patient care.It is a total joke of a system designed to keep you as subservient as possible.
When I was a chief resident, I quickly learned that residents with professionalism issues were much more trouble than residents with knowledge deficits. You can always teach knowledge and easily identify plans to improve that. But professionalism 'violations' mess with the flow of the whole system and make it difficult to provide good patient care.
I'm sure some professionalism things really are stupid, but as a whole they actually do matter.
Just curious. Want to avoid getting "concern notes".
Funny, our PBL sessions were right next to a cafe that served beer on campus. Had a beer before the last one we'd ever have with my group, was a bretty good time.
Haha I wonder if we went to the same med school or if there was more than one person who did this....noisily opening up a newspaper to read during lecture (this was in the era before smart phones, and when the internet was primarily USENET groups, in the dark ages)
Copping an attitude with your Faculty
Continually late for required classes
Failing to hand in required paperwork on time
Not getting up to date on immunizations, despite warnings
Being late for rounds
Forgery
Cheating
Theft
Assault
What ever happened to her?
I don't know that railroading her CAREER AND LIVELIHOOD like that was the most appropriate thing to have done. She will most likely never fully recover from that dismissal. While what she did was personally embarrasing, I'm not sure that firing her was the most compassionate thing. She may have needed an alcohol program more than firing.She was removed from her residency from what I remember. It probably closed a lot of doors on her but I don't know what happened to her license.
I don't know that railroading her CAREER AND LIVELIHOOD like that was the most appropriate thing to have done. She will most likely never fully recover from that dismissal. While what she did was personally embarrasing, I'm not sure that firing her was the most compassionate thing. She may have needed an alcohol program more than firing.
I feel bad too, but we all have to come to terms with the fact that with smartphones & social media anything could happen. Life isn't fair. If you feel bad, take it as a lesson to always maintain professionalism in moments you feel even a bit irritated.
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Apparently, "being too casual" by using too many exclamation points in an email and starting said email with "Hi".
To be fair, eventually when does have to grow up, and medical school seems like a good place to have already figured that part out.
Kids today are lulled into a false sense of what is appropriate written communication based on the very lax (or nonexistent) standards online. This doesn't excuse you from knowing how to properly communicate like an adult.
Yes. The young man in question learned his lesson and communicated in a professional way as soon as he was corrected. He still received a low grade on professionalism. What's the point of adapting and changing if you're judged on your first impression only?
that seems harsh
Apparently, "being too casual" by using too many exclamation points in an email and starting said email with "Hi".
Showing up to clinic everyday naked.
"Hi" is unprofessional? I went through undergrad, law school, 8 years in corporate finance, undergrad again, and now med school; not one person along the way has told me starting an e-mail with "Hi Mr. X," is unprofessional.
You are correct. Emails are supposed to be quick and to the point. They are not formal like letters."Hi" is unprofessional? I went through undergrad, law school, 8 years in corporate finance, undergrad again, and now med school; not one person along the way has told me starting an e-mail with "Hi Mr. X," is unprofessional.
To be fair, eventually when does have to grow up, and medical school seems like a good place to have already figured that part out.
Kids today are lulled into a false sense of what is appropriate written communication based on the very lax (or nonexistent) standards online. This doesn't excuse you from knowing how to properly communicate like an adult.
I can imagine the outrage, med student X said hi instead of hello! How unprofessional!
I think the opposite should also apply. Most of my attending who send emails are curt/blunt to the point of being unprofessional.To be fair, eventually when does have to grow up, and medical school seems like a good place to have already figured that part out.
Kids today are lulled into a false sense of what is appropriate written communication based on the very lax (or nonexistent) standards online. This doesn't excuse you from knowing how to properly communicate like an adult.
I think the opposite should also apply. Most of my attending who send emails are curt/blunt to the point of being unprofessional.
It's definitely one-sided. I think the reason for the differences in opinion regarding professionalism is that it is used disproportionately to target medical students.
Real professionalism standards would hold faculty to a higher standard than it would students since they're meant to be role models. The reason why professionalism is becoming a joke is that school emails threaten that it's unprofessional behavior if we don't complete course evals promptly, yet professors can verbally abuse students who politely ask if an upcoming class is mandatory because our schedules are unclear and they want to save money on their flight home. I don't know of anyone who's actually gotten in trouble over our professionalism policy, but the term has been diluted from actual unethical or illegal behavior to anything that the school doesn't like.
It's incredibly hypocritical to have professionalism exist as this sword hanging over our heads while the administration maintains this absurd double standard.
I don't include any greeting at all. My typical email goes like:I used to write Dear whoever to people I thought were important but now I say hi to most people.
I don't include any greeting at all. My typical email goes like:
Dr. Smith,
Blah blah blah, blah blah blah. Blah blah blah blah.
Thank you,
Raryn, MD
PGY4 Fellow
Specialty blah
University of Blah
Definitely most everything listed above.
Things that I have seen people actually get kicked out for, under the "unprofessional" umbrella:
1. Inability to show up repeatedly over multiple rotations.
2. Stealing blank prescriptions for own use (later went to prison on felony forgery charges)
3. Claiming to be fluent/native speaker and among other things, consenting patient for a sterilization procedure when no where near fluent.
4. Forging meal tickets.
5. Lying about requiring special accommodations to gain advantages on exams.