What are your thoughts on smoking?

[coprolalia]

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Just a poll to see how many people out there light up. What are your thoughts on smoking? Let's hear 'em.

And, are any of you interested to know (or DID you know) that Barrack Obama is a smoker?

Share your opinions.

-copro

 

[badasshairday]

I don't mean to offend anybody but I don't understand how any doctor can be a smoker. You should just know better.

 

[Planktonmd]

Just a poll to see how many people out there light up. What are your thoughts on smoking? Let's hear 'em.

And, are any of you interested to know (or DID you know) that Barrack Obama is a smoker?

Share your opinions.

-copro

Even if he smokes he still has a better life expectancy than 72 Y/O McCain.
Is a smoker not good enough to be a president?
How a bout a guy with post traumatic stress disorder caused by being POW for 5 years? Will he be stable enough to be a president?

 

[coprolalia]

Sorry, this post has a poll. Please answer the questions now. 🙂

And, I'm not talking about people who tried a cigarette or two when they were sixteen and never touched them again.

-copro

 

[coprolalia]

Even if he smokes he still has a better life expectancy than 72 Y/O McCain.
Is a smoker not good enough to be a president?
How a bout a guy with post traumatic stress disorder caused by being POW for 5 years? Will he be stable enough to be a president?

This wasn't really supposed to be a direct political thread, but it does have ramifications.

And, I think you have to seriously defend a diagnosis of PTSD in McCain. That is clearly not substantiated by the evidence and the fact that he's served in both the House and Senate since 1982 without any evidence of PTSD-affective behavior. Where I'm from, we call that libel. The fact that Obama smokes is not in question.

-copro

 

[coprolalia]

I don't mean to offend anybody but I don't understand how any doctor can be a smoker. You should just know better.

You're right. One should. But, I have known many, MANY physicians who are also smokers. Great physicians.

I do agree that it is a little bit hypocritical to advocate to your patients not to smoke when you, in fact, are lighting up.

-copro

 

[Planktonmd]

This wasn't really supposed to be a direct political thread, but it does have ramifications.

And, I think you have to seriously defend a diagnosis of PTSD in McCain. That is clearly not substantiated by the evidence and the fact that he's served in the Senate since 1982 without any evidence of PTSD-affective behavior. Where I'm from, we call that libel. The fact that Obama smokes is not in question.

-copro

Have you ever heard of someone who was a POW for 5 years and does not have any psychiatric problems as a result?

 

[dfk]

grass or tobacco?

 

[Planktonmd]

grass or tobacco?

😀
Good question DFK!

 

[coprolalia]

Have you ever heard of someone who was a POW for 5 years and does not have any psychiatric problems as a result?

Ummm... yeah. His name is John McCain.

Where exactly are you going with this, Plank? Only into very dangerous territory, best as I can tell.

-copro

 

[jetproppilot]

grass or tobacco?

hahahahahahahahahahahaha

 

[DrDre']

GEorge and Bill CLinton used to hang with me in Compton. Chillin at the swap meet with zippster and Jetster, pullin blunts with Snoop.

Oh yeah and used to smoke up to 3 packs a day, filterless, roll-your-own... Back when I was Fuk-in *****.

NOw I run as much as 100 miles at a time. I got beautiful lungs now.

I used to care that Barack smoked. He will be a better president still than many others.

I never cared that Bill cheated on his wife. Despite being inappropriate and unKool, I would rather have an excellent president that f-ks outside the white house than one who f-=w3eks the entire world!

😀
Good question DFK!

 

[DrDre']

Yeah, McCain has a free get-out-of-jail-pass for everything he could ever do wrong because he was unlucky enough to be captured (and yes) tough enough to survive. I think the word hero is really thrown around.

Not a lot of people are called heroes for false imprisonment!

Ummm... yeah. His name is John McCain.

Where exactly are you going with this, Plank? Only into very dangerous territory, best as I can tell.

-copro

 

[Planktonmd]

Ummm... yeah. His name is John McCain.

Where exactly are you going with this, Plank? Only into very dangerous territory, best as I can tell.

-copro

I am just bringing up an example of a questionable behavioral issue that has not been explored by the media and in my opinion it is more relevant than Obama's smoking problem.
We as physicians understand the effects of prolonged capture and torture on the human mind so it is naive to say that 5 years of POW have no effect on someone's mental health.
No dangerous territory is being violated!

 

[DrDre']

Politics aside...
I think that even if I had no political views, it would be safe to observe the following...

Obama could smoke 10 joints a day of kine and Sarah Palin, nought, and his functional IQ would still be 300-400% greater than hers.

I dont like that Obama smokes. It is NOT a good role model for kids, adults or for someone concerned with health care. But, It is well-hidden and very unimportant compared to all the other issues.

 

[OB1🤙]

Unless I missed something, Obama quit smoking back when his campaign started.

Count me in the "smoked when I was a ******* high school senior/college freshman, quit cold turkey and never looked back" camp.

 

[dfk]

Politics aside...
I think that even if I had no political views, it would be safe to observe the following...

Obama could smoke 10 joints a day of kine and Sarah Palin, nought, and his functional IQ would still be 300-400% greater than hers.

I dont like that Obama smokes. It is NOT a good role model for kids, adults or for someone concerned with health care. But, It is well-hidden and very unimportant compared to all the other issues.

"I used to care that obama smoked"
"I never cared that bill clinton cheated on his wife"

am i missing something here??
not only your ambivalence regarding obama puffing away, but...
clinton screwing around within the realm of 'moral character' and 'family values' IS a good role model? many people considered clinton's presidency as a positive.
all's i'm sayin, ya know?

 

[coprolalia]

Unless I missed something, Obama quit smoking back when his campaign started.

http://truemors.nowpublic.com/?p=27882

-copro

 

[dfk]

http://truemors.nowpublic.com/?p=27882

-copro

given not only the stress of "becoming" president, the actual being president i'm sure has some stress involved. we don't all deal with it in similar fashion. why don't people crack down and criticize presidents that consume booze? this has many deleterious effects, as we all know. of which, can kill just the same, if not sooner in some instances, than smoking. heck, i've met 80 and 90 year olds who suck smokes down like there's no tomorrow. are they bad or immoral people?
essentially, who T F cares? maybe it'll help decision making.

 

[coprolalia]

I am just bringing up an example of a questionable behavioral issue...

What "questionable behavior issue"? You have to provide facts to back up your assertions. You intimated, plain as day, that the guy has "post traumatic stress disorder caused by being POW for 5 years."

Prove it!

And, here is an article that tries to blast him, but they can't get away from this fact...

The 1999 campaign released a statement by Dr. Michael M. Ambrose, director of the Robert E. Mitchell Center for Prisoner of War Studies, that said: ''Senator McCain has never been diagnosed with or treated at the center for a psychological or psychiatric disorder. He has been subject to an extensive battery of psychological tests and following his last examination in 1993, we judged him to be in good physical and mental health.''

http://www.usvetdsp.com/dec07/mccain_suicide_ptsd.htm

What he went through in Hanoi is called "stress management". How that translates into inability to be president, you can't convince me, even with the absolute worst and basest form of yellow journalism as exemplified by this article.

-copro

 

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[dfk]

I don't mean to offend anybody but I don't understand how any doctor can be a smoker. You should just know better.

yep, and how anyone can be a drinker? YOU should just KNOW better!
sorry, but this is an idiotic statement. as previously stated, smart people make not so smart choices. does that make them idiots?

 

[OB1🤙]

http://truemors.nowpublic.com/?p=27882

-copro

Thanks for the link.

I don't think it has even a shred of bearing on the race, of course, whether he lights up the occasional post-debate cancer-stick.

I also know PLENTY of current docs and med studs who still smoke. At times in my own post-quitting rational brain I think to myself "How can you POSSIBLY keep smoking when you see people with lung CA so often?"

Problem with that thought though, is I sometimes catch myself thinking it with a beer in my hand. So I try not to pass any judgment, lest I make a hypocrite of myself.

Powerful stuff, that nicotine (and alcohol).

 

[badasshairday]

yep, and how anyone can be a drinker? YOU should just KNOW better!
sorry, but this is an idiotic statement. as previously stated, smart people make not so smart choices. does that make them idiots?

When we say smoker, we are talking about people who are addicted. I'm not an alcoholic, I rarely drink. Maybe 2x a month and I'll have 3 drinks over several hours. This is much different then smoking several cigarettes every single day of your life.

And yes, I know some extremely smart and skilled doctors who smoke. I wish they did not or the sake of their own health.

 

[dfk]

When we say smoker, we are talking about people who are addicted. I'm not an alcoholic, I rarely drink. Maybe 2x a month and I'll have 3 drinks over several hours. This is much different then smoking several cigarettes every single day of your life.

And yes, I know some extremely smart and skilled doctors who smoke. I wish they did not or the sake of their own health.

fine, however, you've thrown in the "addicted" part. was this supposed to be assumed? perhaps. however, one's one cigarette a day can equal your one drink whenever. all's i'm saying is (in the words of mil), the pot calling the kettle black. you or i may think smoking is disgusting, as we may sip our beer, but not think the opposite. i've met smokers (occasional and more frequent) that turn their noses up to booze. my point is, is can you see what i'm saying here? i just find hypocrisy in the argument that one shouldn't smoke but no one commercially argues not to drink, regardless of amount.
fancy your chivas regal scotch or
hard pack parliaments?
ice in a glass is much more sexy, is it not???

 

[jetproppilot]

Just a poll to see how many people out there light up. What are your thoughts on smoking? Let's hear 'em.


-copro

Cop,

"ERE."

 

[dfk]

Cop,

"ERE."

👍

and you say you don't got it anymore!

 

[Planktonmd]

What "questionable behavior issue"? You have to provide facts to back up your assertions. You intimated, plain as day, that the guy has "post traumatic stress disorder caused by being POW for 5 years."

Prove it!

And, here is an article that tries to blast him, but they can't get away from this fact...



http://www.usvetdsp.com/dec07/mccain_suicide_ptsd.htm

What he went through in Hanoi is called "stress management". How that translates into inability to be president, you can't convince me, even with the absolute worst and basest form of yellow journalism as exemplified by this article.

-copro

Do you really think that people can be captured and tortured for 5 years and then go on with their lives without any psychological problems??
It's not about proving anything but you mentioned that Obama is a smoker in the context that smoking is not a good behavior, I pointed out that there are other behavioral issues with McCain that are more relevant that have not been addressed and perhaps need to be explored.
So, if we are going to say Obama is a smoker so maybe he is not a good president we should be open to discussing that McCain was a POW (a fact) and that all POW's have varying degrees of psychological scars (look it up).
I am not attempting to convince you of anything because your avatar is a proof that there is nothing I can convince you with, I am just balancing your Obama smoking argument with a similar idea of the same type.

 

[dfk]

Do you really think that people can be captured and tortured for 5 years and then go on with their lives without any psychological problems??
It's not about proving anything but you mentioned that Obama is a smoker in the context that smoking is not a good behavior, I pointed out that there are other behavioral issues with McCain that are more relevant that have not been addressed and perhaps need to be explored.
So, if we are going to say Obama is a smoker so maybe he is not a good president we should be open to discussing that McCain was a POW (a fact) and that all POW's have varying degrees of psychological scars (look it up).
I am not attempting to convince you of anything because your avatar is a proof that there is nothing I can convince you with, I am just balancing your Obama smoking argument with a similar idea of the same type.

in keeping with the theme:
if obama has psychological concerns, shall he not make a good presidente?
if mccain has psychological concerns, shall he not make a good presidente?

where does it end?
it doesn't! and won't!!

c'mon dudes, drop it. it ain't gonna get no one anywhere.

 

[coldweatherblue]

however, one's one cigarette a day can equal your one drink whenever. all's i'm saying is (in the words of mil), the pot calling the kettle black. you or i may think smoking is disgusting, as we may sip our beer, but not think the opposite. i've met smokers (occasional and more frequent) that turn their noses up to booze. my point is, is can you see what i'm saying here? i just find hypocrisy in the argument that one shouldn't smoke but no one commercially argues not to drink, regardless of amount.
fancy your chivas regal scotch or
hard pack parliaments?
ice in a glass is much more sexy, is it not???

Moderate drinking is not analogous to moderate smoking because while moderate drinking has been shown to decrease mortality, moderate smoking increases mortality.

I don't smoke but a lot of my friends have through the years. I never used to mind smoke when I spent a lot of time in bars/clubs/etc but I have to be honest as I've gotten older I notice it more. Moving to california for med school was nice because you can go out and not have your clothes reek of cigarettes the next morning. 👍

 

[Planktonmd]

in keeping with the theme:
if obama has psychological concerns, shall he not make a good presidente?
if mccain has psychological concerns, shall he not make a good presidente?

where does it end?
it doesn't! and won't!!

c'mon dudes, drop it. it ain't gonna get no one anywhere.

I just don't think when someone wants to start a thread and a poll about smoking should use that same thread to spread political propaganda.

 

[dfk]

Moderate drinking is not analogous to moderate smoking because while moderate drinking has been shown to decrease mortality, moderate smoking increases mortality.

I don't smoke but a lot of my friends have through the years. I never used to mind smoke when I spent a lot of time in bars/clubs/etc but I have to be honest as I've gotten older I notice it more. Moving to california for med school was nice because you can go out and not have your clothes reek of cigarettes the next morning. 👍

hey look, i don't disagree with what you say. my exact experiences are quite similar to yours. i would choose to not go out to a bar with smoke. can't stand it. but it's a choice none-the-less. regardless of what effect each "poison" takes on a person, your definition of moderation can and will vary from other's. that being said, i cannot tell you at this time what is "worse" to do, but outcomes of each are not pretty, length and depth not-withstanding...

http://opa.yale.edu/news/article.aspx?id=3205

 

[dfk]

I just don't think when someone wants to start a thread and a poll about smoking should use that same thread to spread political propaganda.

it's almost analogous, isn't it?

 

[dfk]

btw/
non smoker here... but, used to be a social advocate. and have many friends/family that enjoy the fingerling pleasures. so, i consider myself worthy of non-repose.

 

[Colba55o]

according to this: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10658.html
Obama is a former smoker, as is McCain. Although truth be told I think he does smoke on occasion now.

 

[coprolalia]

according to this: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10658.html
Obama is a former smoker, as is McCain. Although truth be told I think he does smoke on occasion now.

You'd smoke too if you were all holed-up in some Hanoi hell being tortured as a prisoner of war and developing PTSD. 🙄

What's Obama's excuse? Bad childhood? Do we want a current smoker in the White House? Might make those drapes in the Lincoln bedroom smell kinda stale and musty.

-copro

 

[Trisomy13]

What's Obama's excuse? Bad childhood? Do we want a current smoker in the White House?

-copro

Yes. If you are bearing the stress of the executive office, you should be allowed to have a smoke, knock back a Patron, and get your knob polished on demand.



This thread is re-****-ed.


I mean, sorry, allow me to clarify... are you f*cking kidding me? this is an issue? can anyone focus on a real issue anymore or do we all watch our chosen media outlet and argue with soundbites? jeez.

 

[dhb]

What "questionable behavior issue"? You have to provide facts to back up your assertions. You intimated, plain as day, that the guy has "post traumatic stress disorder caused by being POW for 5 years."

Prove it!

He voted for the war in Irak.

 

[zippy2u]

Yup, my ole buddy Fred Reed at www.fredoneverything.net just put out a nice column about McCain and PTSD. It's spot on as usual. 300 million people and the best they can come up with are these 4 clowns. Looks like I'll join the majority and not vote again. Regards, ----Zip

 

[coprolalia]

I mean, sorry, allow me to clarify... are you f*cking kidding me? this is an issue?

Ummm... 47-year-old man of African American decent with all the co-requisite risk factors associated... at increased risk for hypertension, stroke, CAD, MI because of a current habit.

Yes, it's an issue.

-copro

 

[Planktonmd]

Ummm... 47-year-old man of African American decent with all the co-requisite risk factors associated... at increased risk for hypertension, stroke, CAD, MI because of a current habit.

Yes, it's an issue.

-copro

I thought this thread was about smoking and not a political advertisement!
Maybe you should add one of those political disclaimers in the beginning:
"I am john McCain and I approved this message".
😀
As if we don't have enough political advertisements so we have to see them on medical discussion forums.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

How about a president who has used cocaine?

 

[racerx]

Nothing like the once (sometimes twice) a year CAO Gold or Macanudo cigar with a Glenfiddich on the rocks!👍

Never smoked a cigarette though.

When I was a kid, I wanted to be like the big league ballplayers and chew. I got a pouch of "Red Man" and snuck off to the woods, climbed one of our climbing trees and stretched-out on a big branch. I tore off a big chunk and went to town, chewing like I was out on the pitcher's mound. About a minute later, I was hugging the branch with the world spinning. After puking my guts out, I climbed down.

That cured me of my desire to try tobacco for many years. Only tried cigars when I was 22 YO. and only occasionally.

 

[fakin' the funk]

How about a president who has used cocaine?

How about a president who put a cigar in some chick's c**ch?

 

[radslooking]

that's why you just gotta throw in a lipper

 

[OB1🤙]

This may be the worst thread in the history of this forum.

 

[Scylin]

Ummm... 47-year-old man of African American decent with all the co-requisite risk factors associated... at increased risk for hypertension, stroke, CAD, MI because of a current habit.

Yes, it's an issue.

-copro

Are you saying you think Obama has a greater risk of serious health complications in office than McCain?

 

[radslooking]

Are you saying you think Obama has a greater risk of serious health complications in office than McCain?

seriously. i'm starting to think cop is arguing just for the sake of arguing nowadays.

however, i neither would argue mccain has any psychological issues that should preclude him from office.

 

[fakin' the funk]

seriously. i'm starting to think cop is arguing just for the sake of arguing nowadays.

Only just nowadays? 😉

however, i neither would argue mccain has any psychological issues that should preclude him from office.

Agreed.

 

[Trisomy13]

Ummm... 47-year-old man of African American decent with all the co-requisite risk factors associated... at increased risk for hypertension, stroke, CAD, MI because of a current habit.

Yes, it's an issue.

-copro

i stand by my original point that this is ******ed, and you are helping to prove it. seriously, arguing politics is one thing, but this is a reach.


i will now follow your advice from another thread, and smash the evil curious thoughts out of my head, and not continue to read this thread.