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slarveson

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First of all, sorry if this doesn't relate to DOs specifically, but i've heard about (on numerous forums including this one) that students going to or especially those planning on going to an international medical school should be cautious about residency opportunities in the US because apparently there is going to be alot more DO and MD schools open up in the US very soon which means less open residency spots for international students? Assuming this is true, my question is...if they are opening up more US schools, then won't they probably increase the # of residency positions to balance things out? In the other forums, they talk about it as if no new residency positions will be offered so for every US school that opens = that many more residency positions unavailable for international students. Does anyone want to expand on this topic? It seems to me that they probably will open more residency positions to atleast MOSTLY balance it out so chances for international students won't diminish that much if at all, but i have no idea so does anyone know about this? I guess its mainly a concern for future and not current international students.
 
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There are many reasons why more residency slots haven't been built and may not be.
1. Taking IMG's is like stealing the intellectual talent of other countries and shouldn't be done in my opinion
2. Adding more residency slots requires bigger units, more faculty, more beds, etc. that isn't easy to do.
3. The associations of different fields decide whether they want to expand fields. Many DO NOT want to add residency spots and would fight any more spots in their field.
 
There are many reasons why more residency slots haven't been built and may not be.
1. Taking IMG's is like stealing the intellectual talent of other countries and shouldn't be done in my opinion
2. Adding more residency slots requires bigger units, more faculty, more beds, etc. that isn't easy to do.
3. The associations of different fields decide whether they want to expand fields. Many DO NOT want to add residency spots and would fight any more spots in their field.

Your forgetting the fact that our nation's prospered because of brain drain. If it weren't the influx of educated and well trained people to our nation, the US wouldn't be as powerful. I mean all the German scientists, the Jewish scientists, the Russian scientists etc. They made the US a super power.
 
The goal of expanding the number of medical schools is to have the residency positions that go to IMG, be filled by Americans. I dont think it would behoove our government to expand the Residency spots simply to accommodate IMG's.

Should they decided to increase the residency spots, it should be in order to meet the demand for physicians in this country, and we should do our best to make sure they are filled by qualified applicants, and if there are excess seats, IMG's should be welcome to apply.

Some of the best minds in our country are immigrants, I dont think we should be worried about creating positions for specific people more than meeting the needs of the country.
 
To re-iterate the last poster: The goal of expanding the number of medical schools is to have the residency positions that go to IMG be filled by Americans.

The statement that more medical schools means less IMG matching to residencies in the US is accurate. This actually makes the Carrib a much less appealing option than it used to be.
 
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Your forgetting the fact that our nation's prospered because of brain drain. If it weren't the influx of educated and well trained people to our nation, the US wouldn't be as powerful. I mean all the German scientists, the Jewish scientists, the Russian scientists etc. They made the US a super power.

I'm not forgetting that fact. We HAVE prospered by stealing the best talent. In medicine, it just isn't needed anymore. We have plenty of the nation's brightest willing to go through medical training, residency, etc. The US can support the # of physicians that we need. Therefore it is no longer necessary to steal physicians from other countries.

If you think about it, admissions at medical school is mighty ironic. They want students that are willing to treat rural populations and do medical mission work in other countries. So the US produces doctors that do Doctors Without Borders and many other mission programs, but at the same time, we steal the physicians from the countries that could have benefited their homes much more effectively. Ridiculous in my opinion.
 
In addition to agreeing with the points mentioned above, I would also point out that the government funds residency programs. Is it fair for US grads to expect the government to foot the bill for IMGs instead of it's own citizens ? (Plus, is it fair for us to have to compete for spots in our own country ??)
 
In addition to agreeing with the points mentioned above, I would also point out that the government funds residency programs. Is it fair for US grads to expect the government to foot the bill for IMGs instead of it's own citizens ? (Plus, is it fair for us to have to compete for spots in our own country ??)

I don't agree that we should compete against IMGs at all. We should always be given the benefit, and we usually are currently.

That said if we need IMGs to fill spots, I would expect our government to pay for their residency like anyone else.
 
This is kinda random but i think ross and sgu and maybe the other big two from the carib (can't remember what they are) should be considered valid medical schools because they definitely teach the same thing and have programs that mimic those in the US. The problem is that the students accepted from them have lower grades/MCAT right? WELL, we have to remember that being a doctor has nothing to do with any classes in undergrad. There are a few classes that help out for medschool and we know what those are but the bottom line is that you probably (i wouldn't know for sure because im not a doctor but this is just my common sense opinion) would NEVER look back to any undergrad coursework after becoming a doctor to come up with any sort of solution to a medical problem your facing. Granted, people that get into med school in the US probably deserved it with their hard work but we have to remember that some students coming into college had no direction, never applied themselves in school, and didn't know what they wanted to be (myself being one of them). There has to be a way for these students to still accomplish their dreams once they figure everything out even if they're grades to that point were low or whatever. I had a 2.7 for the first 70 credits of undergrad going for an accounting degree and then stepped it up the final two years to a 3.5 (still not knowing i would want to go into medicine) for a combined 2.9. Luckily for me i didn't go into a degree program that required the science classes for med school or i would've been screwed. Since doing the pre-med thing in fall 2007, i have a 3.9 gpa including all the required pre-med courses and a few others like anatomy, phys, genetics, cell bio, biochem, patho phys...even after all this, i probably will not make it into an MD program. Most MD programs will look at my overall GPA of 3.1 and not even look at anything else. The only reason it is so low is because i failed a number of classes my first year like "new student orientation, dance appreciation, math 0930 (-*- = +), humanities 1010, D in history and a number of C's from relatively easy classes. After looking at my upward grade trend years later I probably still won't get a chance even though i obviously didn't even try (2.7 GPA mentioned above is with grade replacement because i retook about 10 classes so it was really much lower than that). Im just saying that there has to be a way for students like me and sometimes the only alternative is a carib school. Im certain i can get into a DO here in the US because they practice grade replacement and all my bad grades were from so long ago, but what if i had taken all the science classes back when i had no direction?...I would've had to go the carib route and be considered inferior to any US doc even if i went through a better program and had better scores on all the major tests. I think the US should try to force out all non-US citizens from getting into residencies but leave room for the US born international graduates because most of them are every bit as smart and sophisticated as the US grads only they didn't get going on it until later on in they're college career. JUST MY OPINION.
 
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