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Does a gunner just get high grades? Is ultra competitive? Selfish? Brown noser? Is it wrong to be a gunner or are the people who aren't them just jealous?
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Dr Durden said:One whose pretentious ambitions result in a relentless pursuit of perfection and prestige, no matter the cost in popularity, personality, and above all else, integrity.
e_phn said:"A gunner will compromise his or her peer relationships in order to obtain recognition and praise from his or her instructors and superiors".
Dr Durden said:One whose pretentious ambitions result in a relentless pursuit of perfection and prestige, no matter the cost in popularity, personality, and above all else, integrity.
dantt said:What's wrong with being ambitious or exceeding minimum requirements? If adcom were to ask if you were ambitious, wouldn't you say so? If they were to ask if you would exceed minimum requirements, I'd hope you do so.
dantt said:I do know one example . . . there was a guy who got into HMS at my school. He wore a stethoscope to the awards ceremony.
Dr Durden said:One whose pretentious ambitions result in a relentless pursuit of perfection and prestige, no matter the cost in popularity, personality, and above all else, integrity.
dantt said:I do know one example . . . there was a guy who got into HMS at my school. He wore a stethoscope to the awards ceremony.
Dr.D-man said:Seriously... he has some insecurity issues. I would have thrown something at him (or maybe heckled him when he got up).
Hednej said:I can't really say what a gunner is because I haven't been in med school yet and it seems to me like its a med school thing. But as far as I can tell, it's just a word invented for the people who do better than others in class who have traded in social interaction with other med students for As. I have no problem with that as different people have different personalities, goals, and ambitions but I can't stand people who will not help their peers on an exam because the curve might not get to be as high because the one in need scored higher.
Dr Durden said:One whose pretentious ambitions result in a relentless pursuit of perfection and prestige, no matter the cost in popularity, personality, and above all else, integrity.
yourmom25 said:people have varying definitions for a "gunner." to some people, a gunner is harmless and just studies a lot, probably to the detriment of his relationships with friends and family. this type is just a hard worker that is too focused.
then there's the other definition of a gunner that i believe. this person is one who will sabotage or hurt others to get ahead. ex: if there's a book in the library that everyone needs for class, this person will hide it so that the rest of the class does not have access. another ex: a gunner will break the spirit of others around him so that he looks/performs relatively better.
shrugs. depends on how you want to look at it. now that i'm motivated towards medicine for sure and love it, i'll probably be considered a gunner by many because i want to/have to be the best.
doctordutch said:A gunner is someone who, when asked for help in organic chemistry lab, will tell the the wrong reagent to add on purpose. They also ask questions they already know the answer to. It has nothing to do with ambition, it's simple self promotion.
Yeah I agree the "gunner" is all about making themselves look better. They're also usually hard workers and have really firm grasps on the material. The word has a negative connotation for me cause the gunner wants to not just be the best but look like the best at all costs. Appearance of being #1 is just as important as being it. I like putting exlax in their coffee/soda/juice in the library...have fun studying on the can buddy!!doctordutch said:A gunner is someone who, when asked for help in organic chemistry lab, will tell the the wrong reagent to add on purpose. They also ask questions they already know the answer to. It has nothing to do with ambition, it's simple self promotion.
Or am I...?AngryBaby said:Yeah I agree the "gunner" is all about making themselves look better. They're also usually hard workers and have really firm grasps on the material. The word has a negative connotation for me cause the gunner wants to not just be the best but look like the best at all costs. Appearance of being #1 is just as important as being it. I like putting exlax in their coffee/soda/juice in the library...have fun studying on the can buddy!!
Just kidding
AngryBaby said:The word has a negative connotation for me cause the gunner wants to not just be the best but look like the best at all costs. Appearance of being #1 is just as important as being it.
Yeah to me those aren't true gunners. Sure the students you describe suck and all that, but I think a gunner's got the ego/persona to match their ambition.Law2Doc said:Not really. Closet gunners are not uncommon. They want to be the best at all costs but couldn't care less about looking the best. In fact they will usually talk about how little studying they did for a given exam, how much partying they did, etc. Hoping you will try that approach as well, to your demise.
Have you ever seen any of this stuff, besides the law school example? I've never heard of or seen anything like the pizza example or even the dissemination of bull**** you describe.Law2Doc said:Gunner is often misused. It is not just someone who studies hard and does well -- the second sentence of the wikipedia definition is the more accurate. It is someone who will find a way to do well even at the expense of others. Someone who will send you a pizza at 2am before the test to wake you up. Someone who will loudly misstate things in hopes of confusing other people. Someone who freely shares resources with the class he knows are useless or inaccurate but would never share something useful -- yet is perfectly happy to use others' shared resources. Someone who will raise their hands and ask impossible questions to try and derail a competitors presentation, or jump in and correct a presenter's flawed answer in a way that makes the presenter look foolish, even if it requires spending time researching the other person's topic in order to do so. (most often seen in PBL and on rounds).
Gunnerism is not limited to med school mentality and they have the same thing in other professional schools. In law schools the gunners were the ones who got to the library first and ripped the applicable pages out of the books on reserve so that no one else but them could use the resource. (This actually happened). Hopefully your school will have few true gunners, and those you identify should be avoided wherever possible. Unless, of course, it's you.
Law2Doc said:Self promotion is always fueled by ambition.
Brainsucker said:Have you ever seen any of this stuff, besides the law school example? I've never heard of or seen anything like the pizza example or even the dissemination of bull**** you describe.
MD Rapper said:Wow... remember how hard they try at the beginning of the year to make it a non-competitive environment? I'm class of '05 and I thought it was a moderately cooperative environment. I guess it's not the same for the recent graduating class though.
Zoom-Zoom said:I see gunners as the people who are so caught up in academic performance that they have long lost any sense of value for or inherent interest in learning. Their stellar academic performance is powered not by a love for the material but because they are obsessed with and possesed by an overwhelming compulsion to acheive. This includes but is not exclusive to the gunners who resort to cheating, stealing people's notes, "helping" classmates with wrong answers and so forth. Traditionally, these people will do anything for The Grade and will "gun down" anything in its path, but the term has come to represent a whole class of individuals whose academic persuits are misguided and annoying to everyone around them.
Zoom-Zoom said:I see gunners as the people who are so caught up in academic performance that they have long lost any sense of value for or inherent interest in learning. Their stellar academic performance is powered not by a love for the material but because they are obsessed with and possesed by an overwhelming compulsion to acheive.
Learfan said:There is very little time to socialize since Step 1 is only one year away.
I'd love to flame you but I'm not sure what the hell you just saidVizious said:Wouldn't merely labelling individuals as a gunner imply that the one who labels has a slight insecurity when comparing themselves to a "gunner"? Maybe not, but its possible.
A gunner might care how others think of their competence or abilities. Other people care how others think of their appearance. Other people care about what other people think of their significant other. There are very, very few people who truly do not care what other people think of them. So who gives a crap? Most people are insecure, prideful, jealous, or selfishly ambitious in one aspect of life or the other.
I might get flamed for this, but whatever, its my opinion
Vizious said:I might get flamed for this, but whatever, its my opinion
Learfan said:Sorry to disappoint some of you but I am a gunner and very comfortable with it. I am obsessed with making high grades and study untill midnight most nights. There is very little time to socialize since Step 1 is only one year away and I will need a kick ass grade if I want to be considered for a competitive residency. I frequently can answer some of the obscure questions thrown out by professors. Having said that, I will also tell you that I have never and will never lie, cheat, steal group resources nor spread any false information. I someone asks me a question they will receive the best information I have or an admission that I do not know enough to give a satisfactory answer. If a good study resource is found, I will send a class email that day to alert everyone. Medicine is a competitive field and I intend to secure the best position for myself possible but I will do so by hard work.
Timmythemic22 said:What is a Gunner?
See Georgetown Special Master's Program in Physiology & Biophysics, 2005-2006
'nuff said.