What I Learned During Surgery...

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100% agreed. Some of the attendings I've scrubbed with have been pretty good but the majority of the residents I've had to deal with have been generally unpleasant people. Maybe it's just the programs where I've done my rotations but I've rotated at both a "good" and a "bad" place by reputation, so... I dunno.

I've got some more snarky ones to add to this growing list.

1. Don't ever say you're interested in GI (which I am) to anyone but the residents, because often times the surgeons love to lambast them for being ******* or something to that effect.

2. Be prepared to read up your Surgical Recall book for useless knowledge that, if you're not going into surgery, you'll still have to recite verbatim because for some reason surgeons think this is what is important to your learning.

3. If you can hide or get away easily without it hurting you, do it. It's not worth slogging through a six hour surgery if you're not interested.

4. For the love of god avoid Whipples. They're very cool to see once, but I quickly lose interest after an hour and by hour six or so I wanted to stab myself just to make sure I had sensation below the waist.

5. You'll find out very quickly if you're the kind of person who's interested in surgery. As someone who thought they wanted to do it, I was in for a rude surprise when it turned out how little I liked being in the OR.

Out of curiosity are you updating your smiley faces as you go through rotations? If so, what criteria are you using (grades, experience, interest)?

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Out of curiosity are you updating your smiley faces as you go through rotations? If so, what criteria are you using (grades, experience, interest)?

The smileys for the ones X'ed out and for surgery are how i feel about going through the rotation. The others are my... anticipated feelings. lol.
 
I've been in two different ORs that one OR was led by a down-to-earth, genuinely funny and caring attending and the other OR led by intense, holier-than-thou attending. The rest of the OR staff was the same in both situations.

Guess what? Even though it was the same hospital, same surgical service, same OR staff; the fact that the surgeries were led by two completely different personalities made both environments completely different from each other. In the former, even the "bitchiest" of the OR staff calmed down and was able to crack a smile every now and then. In the latter, even the "nicest" of the OR staff had an unfriendly vibe/expression to them for most of the time.

My point is that the surgeon is truly the captain of the ship that is the OR and his/her personality will determine how the rest of the OR staff acts.

I am soooo very happy that I am doing my surgery rotation at a peds hospital. Everyone is just nice and the experience has been really positive. (Maybe too much so... I am starting to think I might actually enjoy surgery :p)
 
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Peds surgery here is an entirely different game as well. All the nice people live in Peds land. ;).

Ha. The most abrasive and obnoxious climate at my program (and my med school) was in peds surg. It went from the floor nurses to the OR staff to the attendings. Completely toxic environment.
 
Peds surgery here is an entirely different game as well. All the nice people live in Peds land. ;).

Ha. The most abrasive and obnoxious climate at my program (and my med school) was in peds surg. It went from the floor nurses to the OR staff to the attendings. Completely toxic environment.

Totally agree with southernIM. I have never met such a childish, petulant crew as the Pediatric sub specialists as I did in my residency. The Peds surgeons were delightful next to that Pediatric nephrologist and the bitchy NICU nurses.
 
What I learnt during surgery? That I don't want to be a surgeon.
 
Peds surgery here is an entirely different game as well. All the nice people live in Peds land. ;).
Between med school and "peds land" is a general surgery residency for all peds surgeons. Most other peds specialties go through a peds residency.
 
Between med school and "peds land" is a general surgery residency for all peds surgeons. Most other peds specialties go through a peds residency.
But the people who go through the general sugery residency and end up back in peds land are just as nice as the people that live in peds land the whole time (at least at my school).

That surgery residency is also the only reason I don't want to go into peds surgery right now...
 
Most of the time, being quiet and staying out of the way is a pretty good way to get a B. In one case, I got a really bad grade for that because, and I'm just guessing here, they wanted me to be a pompous little kiss-ass?
 
Most of the time, being quiet and staying out of the way is a pretty good way to get a B. In one case, I got a really bad grade for that because, and I'm just guessing here, they wanted me to be a pompous little kiss-ass?

In surgery here our clinical evals are only 20%. Pretty sure that's bc so many people have bitched along the way haha. So you can basically show up when you have to for surgeries and remain invisible the rest of the time, bust your ass studying and still get an A. :thumbup:
 
In surgery here our clinical evals are only 20%. Pretty sure that's bc so many people have bitched along the way haha. So you can basically show up when you have to for surgeries and remain invisible the rest of the time, bust your ass studying and still get an A. :thumbup:

Yeah, I meant in your clinical eval.

The shelf exam grade is mysterious to me.
 
Most of the time, being quiet and staying out of the way is a pretty good way to get a B. In one case, I got a really bad grade for that because, and I'm just guessing here, they wanted me to be a pompous little kiss-ass?

I agree. I've gotten screwed in my surgery evals basically because there were a couple of times I got called out by the residents for something I didn't do and instead of basically nodding my head and saying "you're absolutely right", I tried arguing my case. Apparently that's somehow unprofessional... I guess it's apparently better to take the blame for something you didn't do rather than being assertive. Oh well, shelf exam will help.
 
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