What is more respected a PhD or MD?

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What is more repected an MD or a phD?

  • MD

    Votes: 176 70.4%
  • PhD

    Votes: 35 14.0%
  • no difference

    Votes: 39 15.6%

  • Total voters
    250

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Are they pretty much looked at as the same level?
what are the major perks of having MD/phD joint degree? Research, teaching...anything else?

Is it harder to get into a joint degree program?

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MD by a long shot. Getting a spot and obtaining a PhD is cake.
 
is this a serious question?

unfortunately, phd's at my clinic sometimes are not even addressed with "dr." by patients.
 
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is this a serious question?

unfortunately, phd's at my clinic sometimes are not even addressed with "dr." by patients.

"Oh, so you're not a real doctor?"
 
I would think it depends on the person's view. Obviously, MD is higher for me.
 
is this a serious question?

unfortunately, phd's at my clinic sometimes are not even addressed with "dr." by patients.
That typically has more to do with the fact that in a medical setting (this is a medical setting, right?) it's a be deceiving to refer to a Ph.D as Doctor because people assume Doctor of Medicine. In some states it's even illegal to address someone as doctor in a medical setting if they are not an MD/DO.
 
That typically has more to do with the fact that in a medical setting (this is a medical setting, right?) it's a be deceiving to refer to a Ph.D as Doctor because people assume Doctor of Medicine. In some states it's even illegal to address someone as doctor in a medical setting if they are not an MD/DO.

a location-based title? 😱

PhD is "lower", or "worse" than MD.
 
Seeing that this is STUDENTDOCTOR.net, forum for pre med kids the results are going to be extremely biased!!
 
Seeing that this is STUDENTDOCTOR.net, forum for pre med kids the results are going to be extremely biased!!

Plus the fact that obtaining a PhD is extremely easy when compared to getting an MD.
 
both of those. you can't spell doctor without MD.

Actually, I think MD is more respected than even MD/PhD. Something about research makes people think "sit around and drink coffee all day." PhDs just don't do any actual work.
 
i protest this voting poll.
something to consider for the OP:
I ran into an old high school classmate today at the gas station. He was all suited up in his auto mechanic work clothes and had quite a messy appearance. But he is still someone I respect on the basis that he is a good guy. He graduated from Wyotech...not exactly something people run around bragging about.

Anyhow, here is the thing that happened that I remembered cuz I found it rather important; I never told him I am going to medical school, and he even asked what I've been up to / whats going on --- which kinda opened the door up for me to pass on my great news. But I just didn't consider it important nor relevant. I didn't want to create that distance between him and myself. I sometimes feel that we too often judge others based on certain "successes" they've achieved in their life.

Needless to say, I don't respect someone more/less because of the degree they hold. People face varying circumstances in their lives and have different interests that led them to exactly where they are today. <end-rant>
 
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I'd say it depends. What field is the PhD in and what institution did this person receive his/her PhD from? I'd say if it's a PhD in biomedical engineering from MIT or the like, then I would say that's pretty darn respectable. But a PhD in poetry... that's another story.
 
lmao the ratio is 29:1:1 for md😛hd:equal as of 2:13 est

you picked the wrong group of students to ask this question to...
 
I'd say it depends. What field is the PhD in and what institution did this person receive his/her PhD from? I'd say if it's a PhD in biomedical engineering from MIT or the like, then I would say that's pretty darn respectable. But a PhD in poetry... that's another story.

hmm. when people say biomedical engineering, I'm impressed, but I kind of expect it. If someone said "poetry", I think I'd be floored. Are there poetry PhD programs?
 
lmao the ratio is 29:1:1 for md😛hd:equal as of 2:13 est

you picked the wrong group of students to ask this question to...
that smiley doesnt belong there... it should be "md: PhD :equal"
 
both of those. you can't spell doctor without MD.

Actually, I think MD is more respected than even MD/PhD. Something about research makes people think "sit around and drink coffee all day." PhDs just don't do any actual work.
I dunno about that... seeing MD/PhD is pretty impressive to me. And, although I do see a lot of PhD's sitting around they tend to be writing up grand proposals, etc. They're pretty busy.
 
you are so asking the wrong board, there's no neutral answer, obviously the md's are pursuing mds for a reason, if this question was posted in the phd network, it would be answered entirely differently. But i think between mds and phds, who generally can express more honest reasons for pursuit of study...the phds!
 
hmm. when people say biomedical engineering, I'm impressed, but I kind of expect it. If someone said "poetry", I think I'd be floored. Are there poetry PhD programs?

I'm pretty sure most poetry programs are MFAs
 
Plus the fact that obtaining a PhD is extremely easy when compared to getting an MD.

You have no idea what you're talking about. I'm a medical student taking a year off to do a research fellowship and I can tell you from EXPERIENCE that basic science research is fundamentally more challenging that going through medical school. The depth at which a PhD student is required to delve into his/her thesis is much greater than medical school (essentially a survey of medicine). The majority of MD/PhD students will tell you their graduate schooling is more difficult than the medical school curriculum.

Granted getting into some lousy graduate school for PhD might be easier than getting into medical school, but producing a quality thesis is certainly harder than medical school.
 
i protest this voting poll.
something to consider for the OP:
I ran into an old high school classmate today at the gas station. He was all suited up in his auto mechanic work clothes and had quite a messy appearance. But he is still someone I respect on the basis that he is a good guy. He graduated from Wyotech...not exactly something people run around bragging about.

Anyhow, here is the thing that happened that I remembered cuz I found it rather important; I never told him I am going to medical school, and he even asked what I've been up to / whats going on --- which kinda opened the door up for me to pass on my great news. But I just didn't consider it important nor relevant. I didn't want to create that distance between him and myself. I sometimes feel that we too often judge others based on certain "successes" they've achieved in their life.

Needless to say, I don't respect someone more/less because of the degree they hold. People face varying circumstances in their lives and have different interests that led them to exactly where they are today. <end-rant>

I respect you for this.👍
 
I dunno about that... seeing MD/PhD is pretty impressive to me. And, although I do see a lot of PhD's sitting around they tend to be writing up grand proposals, etc. They're pretty busy.

bakano ishya :laugh: wa doko no daigaku ni ittetano?
 
Who cares. Do what you want to do. Only premeds care about respect.
 
Other than premeds, have you noticed that the general public doesn't respect doctors all that much?
 
Other than premeds, have you noticed that the general public doesn't respect doctors all that much?

Believing physicians make too much, being pissed at their cheap HMO, or being angry when a physician makes a mistake doesn't not mean they don't respect doctors. We may not be the magical god-like practitioners we were a few hundred years ago, but there's some well-deserved respect still out there.
 
hmm. when people say biomedical engineering, I'm impressed, but I kind of expect it. If someone said "poetry", I think I'd be floored. Are there poetry PhD programs?


Haha, I dunno. I just made it up as an example. I guess I was thinking more of an English doctorate.
 
Other than premeds, have you noticed that the general public doesn't respect doctors all that much?

Really? Hmmmm, maybe it's just the area I live in then 😕
 
I would say that the general public would be more impressed with an MD because they are more familiar with the amount of schooling and hard work that it entails, in addition to the prestige and work that medical doctors do. The public probably isn't as versed with the requirements to acheive a ph.d in addition to the variance in difficulty between a ph.D in an engineering or a science disipline as opposed to the material covered in med school.

However, for people in academia, it would probably depend on what the ph.D is in. A ph.D in physics or chemistry or any of the other sciences or engineering disciplines are considerably harder in terms of the difficulty and depth of the material covered. For example, a ph.D in astronomical physics requires extreme analytical ability and the material is considerably harder to understand at the higher levels than the material that will be thrown at you in medicine. So when comparing these programs, both get respect but for different reasons, medical school - for the sheer amount of information that they throw at you, and ph.d's in the harder diciplines for the difficulty of the material they have to master.
 
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threads like these make me sad.
 
Definitely want to echo the irony of asking a pre med forum this question. Putting aside respect for a moment, lets talk about difficulty. I agree that there are some joke PhDs available at that (cough, online DNP degree, cough). However, I think that the difficulty of obtaining a PhD from a good program and producing a good thesis will definitely be harder than medical school. Creating is way harder than learning. After finishing up my undergrad "thesis" as my school likes to tote it, I have so much more respect than I already had for my professor and the others that I worked closely with. It just showed me how little I know about the scope of my topic, and at how low a level I perform than they do. Granted, lots of that is from experience and volumes of literature absorbed, but still I felt like a five year old in a room of doting parents when I gave my thesis defense. The data I collected will be published, but I would be shocked (though flattered) if it reads much like my thesis did when my professor submits it. So please guys, have respect for our contemporaries and the far greater scope (and equal importance) of their research. More than a few PhD's are going to be teaching you during med school I would bet.

As far as respect goes, I would guess that the average physician probably gets more respect than the average PhD simply because physicians tend to be more common in public experience, and their effect is directly perceived.
 
i protest this voting poll.
something to consider for the OP:
I ran into an old high school classmate today at the gas station. He was all suited up in his auto mechanic work clothes and had quite a messy appearance. But he is still someone I respect on the basis that he is a good guy. He graduated from Wyotech...not exactly something people run around bragging about.

Anyhow, here is the thing that happened that I remembered cuz I found it rather important; I never told him I am going to medical school, and he even asked what I've been up to / whats going on --- which kinda opened the door up for me to pass on my great news. But I just didn't consider it important nor relevant. I didn't want to create that distance between him and myself. I sometimes feel that we too often judge others based on certain "successes" they've achieved in their life.

Needless to say, I don't respect someone more/less because of the degree they hold. People face varying circumstances in their lives and have different interests that led them to exactly where they are today. <end-rant>

Seconded. People are people, not the jobs and masks they wear day-to-day.

When asked, I usually tell people that I want to go into "healthcare" after graduation. No use throwing around the term "med school" especially considering I haven't even applied yet.
 
Who gives a flippin crap? I assure you, in the real world, respect is earned, not given away based on your title or degree. 🙄

Your question is really asking which will give you more perceived "respect" when your smarty-pants friends and family ask what your plans are after graduation. That's a dumb reason to choose a graduate program/life track.
 
i protest this voting poll.
something to consider for the OP:
I ran into an old high school classmate today at the gas station. He was all suited up in his auto mechanic work clothes and had quite a messy appearance. But he is still someone I respect on the basis that he is a good guy. He graduated from Wyotech...not exactly something people run around bragging about.

Anyhow, here is the thing that happened that I remembered cuz I found it rather important; I never told him I am going to medical school, and he even asked what I've been up to / whats going on --- which kinda opened the door up for me to pass on my great news. But I just didn't consider it important nor relevant. I didn't want to create that distance between him and myself. I sometimes feel that we too often judge others based on certain "successes" they've achieved in their life.

Needless to say, I don't respect someone more/less because of the degree they hold. People face varying circumstances in their lives and have different interests that led them to exactly where they are today. <end-rant>

Spot on, as usual, Matt.
 
Who gives a flippin crap? I assure you, in the real world, respect is earned, not given away based on your title or degree. 🙄

In fact, in the real world, title/degree is one of the keys to earn the public respect. For example, when you state your sources for some type of research, it's more respectable if the source came from a PhD vs MS/BS.

Well, for me, I think a PhD degree is a more appropriate doctorate degree compared to MD. Sure, getting in a PhD program is slighter easier but getting through it is much more difficult. I mean, anyone can obtain an MD with being book smart and just study your ass off. However getting a PhD requires much more than that...study...research...dissertation...defend your dissertation...blah...blah

So yeah, PhD gets my vote as they've contributed far more [better] discoveries/inventions to humanity compared to MD.
I think the US should use Britain's degree system. Use the "Bachelor of Medicine, Bachelor of Surgery" for regular doctors, and MD for fellow/extensive research doctors.
 
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In fact, in the real world, title/degree is one of the keys to earn the public respect. For example, when you state your sources for some type of research, it's more respectable if the source came from a PhD vs MS/BS.

That's called "credibility," not "respect," and it's due to the fact that PhD's generally get more training in research. That's common sense.

Respect is something that one person extends to another, based on meaningful contributions and personal qualities. Anything perceived as "respect," based on a degree, is merely the manifestation of the respecter's collections of previous experience and preconceptions of the respectee's credentials. That's really not respect, per se, but bias and assumption.
 
WHO THE **** CARES?????????? A ton of people in this god damn country don't even graduate high school, let ALONE achieve any form of higher education. You're seriously going to sit here and figure out exactly what degree will get you precisely the most respect and honor in society??? Which will make mommy and daddy more proud?? Which one will get you that noble prize easier??? Which one sounds better at the cocktail party??? Looks better on the white coat??? Jesus Christ. Get some perspective in life. Go dig ditches out in the sun for 12 hours a day at 8 bucks a ****ing hour and then reevaluate your question.
 
PhD...

you could be a paleontologist and fight dinosaurs all day and that would be awesome.

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or you could be a mathematician and fight dinosaurs all day and that would be dinosaurs all day, still awesome.
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If you want to be a MD and fight dinosaurs, you need special ninja training.
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Summary. PhDs deserve more respect than MDs b/c PhDs don't need special training to fight dinosaurs, therefore they must all be ninjas all ready. :ninja:
 
Other than premeds, have you noticed that the general public doesn't respect doctors all that much?


No. You are wrong about that. The three most common themes on SDN are:

1. You don't have to be smart to be a doctor.

2. PA school is a legitimate alternative to Medical School as PAs can do 99.99999999percent of what a doctor can.

3. The public doesn't respect doctors.

All are wrong.
 
md gets more street cred, but if you want to do lab work (cook up crack), the phd training will help you, and some will say that you need it to be competitive
 
I'd venture to say that many of the science and engineering PhD programs have the potential to be just as difficult as medical school, but in different ways (obviously this is speculation as I'm not in medical school). The difficulty in medical school seems to be the huge volume of material covered in short periods of time, but everything is structured. As long as you're intelligent and stay on top of studying it seems like the coursework is doable. PhD classes are usually less intense (though one class I took shared a few biochem modules with MS1s), but the overall program is much less structured. It really requires a lot of self-motivation and do-it-yourself mentality. There's also a lot of technical knowledge required (troubleshooting equipment when it inevitably stops working correctly, or realizing you miscalculated and your polymer can't be sterilized using a 0.22um filter AFTER you've already attempted to sterilize it 😡), which many people can't grasp. Don't even get me started on grant writing!

Also, not all PhDs are medical school rejects. I know, I know. :beat:

Anyway, from my point of view I respect both degrees equally. Both require hard work and some degree of intelligence to complete, for the most part.
 
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