What is the unique 'niche' in what psychologists do?

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In the field of healthcare, what is the unique niche carved out for psychologists? Its not prescriptive authority, its not assessment of developmental disabilities, its not therapy, its not research....

I ask because it makes me nervous and curious about getting a PhD in a discipline in which many others can do the same job as you, presumably for less money. So why does anyone come see a psychologist?

I am interested in a lot of psychological theories/constructs and I love this field. Everyone I know has been telling me to be a psychologist since I was about 13 years old. But I don't see where the field is going, and I think its a really important question to ask before potentially embarking on PhD studies.

I know I've posted a lot of threads on here about a lot of career disciplines, but I haven't been around in awhile and I'm pretty much deciding between medicine (MD/DO or nursing) and psychology (PhD or PsyD). I'm a senior with a psychology major and a biology minor.

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What you seem to think is a disadvantage I think is the main advantage.
We do not have a single focus. We are a very comprehensive profession. We are the "experts" on a topic not because we are the master's of a given method (drugs, behavior analysis, etc.) but because we understand the disorder itself, and have a broad training across all methods.
 
In the field of healthcare, what is the unique niche carved out for psychologists? Its not prescriptive authority, its not assessment of developmental disabilities, its not therapy, its not research....

I ask because it makes me nervous and curious about getting a PhD in a discipline in which many others can do the same job as you, presumably for less money. So why does anyone come see a psychologist? .

Your question would suggest that other fields have "unique niches." There are very few professions that have exclusive control over a particular area. All of your questions can be asked of almost any field, including medicine.

Everyone I know has been telling me to be a psychologist since I was about 13 years old.

Because you've always demonstrated a tremendous ability to integrate a large amount of information, grasp complex constructs, intuitively understand psychometric theory? Otherwise, "everyone" has been telling you to be a therapist or something else entirely.

It will always be easier to get a job in nursing or medicine. At the same time, there will always be opportunities for well-trained psychologists. You really can't compare the career paths.
 
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I suppose the short answer would be assessment--as in the interpretation of intelligence testing, neuropsychological testing, and personality testing. For the longer answer, though, I agree with Ollie 100%. The advantage of a Ph.D is that you learn to do nearly all of these things at an expert level and can thus be flexible as to the positions you hold and the roles you fill. The exception is, of course, prescribing medications in states that have not granted prescription privileges to qualifying psychologists. However, the trend seems to be to incorporate this too into the arsenal of skills available for doctoral level psychologists to provide.
 
Psychologist's "niche" is the development and use of psychological instruments. For example, while several professions can dx a developmental delay, a psychologist was the one who developed the current gold standard for diagnosis.

ppl see a psychologist usually b/c they or someone they care about are experiencing mental distress that is not being alleviated by other interventions. Psychologists are able to gain more information through testing to either recommend or give more effective interventions with this information. However, other professions are able to use these measures. but the degree of training in the use of said measures is less. I would state the same is true for interventions.

i doubt psychologists would ever go out of business. I believe that individuals who are truly in need will use evidence based behavioral treatments when it comes down to it. but i believe that there will always be other professions attempting to do what we do without the training (e.g., life coach). somehow, the public is ok with this.

If you are speaking about money:


psychologists average around 70k, so this is not the career path for those that want money, power, fame, etc.

master's level individuals make less, although you will have to look it up at bls yourself, as i can't remember what the figure is.

RNs make comparable pay to psychologists or more, speciality depending

PAs make more than some RNS

Nurse practicioners make more than psychologists

MDs/DOs make even more.

so if money is the deciding factor, i'd say go for an MD/DO in a procedure oriented specialty, preferably with non critical self pay patients (e.g., cosmetic surg).
 
Hi there, saw your post randomly, thought I would share my insights. RN/MD/DO/PhD, all are noble fields to go into. As long as you love what you do, you can't make a bad decision.

To be more realistic though, you do have to consider some practical aspects.

The MD, then the DO route is the hardest to pursue. I don't say that to disparage other disciplines, the numbers are there. You'll face the stiffest competition in terms of GPA, IQ, test scores, extracurricular humanitarian efforts, type A personalities, whatever else trying to get in to school. Then it's 80 hours + a week of studying or work for 4 years of med school and 3 to 7 years of residency working at the same rate. If you are interested in mental health, you will get the broadest and most intense training available, so long as you pick your training spots well (I compared notes with a PhD psychologist friend once...I saw as many patients in 1.5 months of my internship [~200+] as she did all year, and my patients were far more ill - dying, dead, bleeding, acutely psychotic, intoxicated, violent, manic, etc.).

Don't get caught up in the dichotomizing that some people do with psychiatrists doing meds and psychologists doing therapy. I trained at a top notch academic institution (I'm at another one now), and got solid CBT/ DBT/ Family therapy etc. As a physician, you have the most flexibility, highest pay, and your training will speak for itself (also, if you don't like psychiatry, you can switch to another residency...I considered dual boarding in internal medicine and psychiatry because I love medicine). A well trained physician (all aren't) can really provide true holistic care (medical, psychological, social, educational, etc.).

Regarding the flexibility you have as a physician, I see autistic kids/ fetal alcohol kids one half day, other developmentally delayed kids another, outpatient suburban kids, inner city kids at their inner city schools on another day, addicted teenagers, children ages 1-5, and rotate through other services at times (pediatric neurology, etc). The list goes on and on. I love it. I am just about to graduate after 6 years of training. The job market is fantastic (I got offered every position I even sniffed at), the pay is great, and the skills you develop with your training will speak for itself. You can really do what you want.

It's not all roses though. There is a cost to this. You have to think about things like "Do I want a family and kids (or do I want to see my kids while they are young)...Do I want to work most weekends a month and spend up to 30 or 36 hours at a time in a hospital...Do I want to give up the peak of my young adulthood doing things like standing in an emergency room at 3am with disheveled hair and coffee stains on my scrubs trying to manage a sick patient (funny but not kidding)?" I did internship (first year of residency) before the 80hour work rule. In one painful week, I worked three 36 hour shifts, back to back to back, AND a weekend day. Talk about delirium, but it made me a better clinician (so I tell my therapist, kidding). I am so happy that I chose to be a doctor, but someone asked me if I would do it again and I said, "only if you wipe out my memory for the past 10 years." 14 years of school/ training after high school (it would be more like 20 years if I averaged 40 hours all the way through) is a B%TCH, no way around it.

How about those huge student loans (some of my college buddies started working right after school, I will make alot more but they got a 10 year head start). The buck also stops with you which can be good or bad. Most of the therapists I work with get the "fun" cases whereas I end up with a large load of incredibly difficult patients that fall through the sieve of standard therapy and other medical clinics. Some of my colleagues who are family oriented partially regret their decision to do all the training, only to work part-time in the end. But if it is about having options, the MD route is the best, no question.

My wife is a nurse practitioner, master level. She works with kids too and loves her job. She is definitely bright enough to be a doctor (4.0 GPA in her masters program) but made a "life" decision to do what she does. She works with physicians on a high level and finds her work fulfilling. There is a shortage of nurses these days which has made the pay go up (good). It has also made them very powerful politically in the hospitals which sometimes leads to prioritizing work hours etc. instead of patient care. The thing about nursing that I couldn't handle as a control freak is just that, having control/ more autonomy.

As far as you original question regarding a niche for psychologists, I think the psychometric aspect of psychology is very unique to them in most respect and it is very important work. Psychologists are very dedicated professionals and are likely underpaid for the amount of training they have (my opinion). Social workers and licensed therapists can also do therapy but I usually have more productive and pointed conversations working with a psychologist on a difficult case (no disrespect to the other disciplines). Some of this is reflective of training, the rest is likely due to the median qualifications/ intelligence/ etc (more difficult training, more qualified applicants to start, that is on average...not politically correct but true, there are plenty of individual exceptions of course).

Psychologists can do a wide variety of jobs (forensics, psychometrics, therapy, nonclinical, etc). In the clinical setting, many psychologists can make very good academics (and all academics including MDs get paid poop so...).

If you enter the field of psychology, you will find a significant amount of territorial or turfy political goop. In a developmental disabilities clinic (autism, etc), there are sometimes behind the scenes political battles between psychologists, therapists, occupational therapists, and speech and language specialists about what they should and shouldn't do. You'll recognize and also sympathize with this turfiness if you work in academics. Even clinically, there are many opposing schools of thought or fiefdoms and some guard their therapeutic techniques like it is some kind of secret martial art (so says others, not me). PhDs and PsyD's are more varied in qualifications even amongst their own kind as compared to the difference between DOs and MDs.

I believe much of this turfiness and the psychologists' fervent guild related political activism is reflective of the sentiment you raised about niche, as well as their justified concerns about pay commensurate to level of training. So you definitely have a point. On the other hand, the hours are probably the most flexible in psychology compared to the other fields (no overnight call, 8-5 M-F, even in training!). People are well aware of this fact, and it is reflected in psychologists' demographics. 2/3 of graduating psychologists are women (which is good, but my personal hypothesis is that bright young women who wanted family and career who went to nursing school a generation prior, now go into law and psychology...hence the nursing shortage...okay maybe that's whacked, just speculating). One thing that is not good is that 94 to 95% of psychologists are caucasian, despite efforts to recruit minorities. Western psychology is of course heavily based on western values and mores. I think this will change with time, but it doesn't bode well in a public health model where diversity is currently the norm.

Sorry to ramble, man that was long! But my wife is watching this annoying dancing show, I already checked my fantasy baseball stats for the day, and this is fun. So in summary, I think psychologists are very aware of the niche issue but there are plenty of niche areas in the field. You should really find a career that suits your ambitions, work ethic, tolerance for suffering (ha), and most importantly LIFE goals. What do you want to say you did when you are 65 and retired?
 
Doctor J 216, that was a very in-depth and interesting post. Thanks for your insightful perspective.

My take is that psychologists don't need to rely on a 'unique niche' to do well (i.e. ensure you have no competition). You just have to be excellent at your niche (i.e. be better than your competition). Whatever specialization you pursue, there is always room for clinicians who are in the top 10% of competency. Be the best at what you do, and you'll never be out of work.
 
My take is that psychologists don't need to rely on a 'unique niche' to do well (i.e. ensure you have no competition). You just have to be excellent at your niche (i.e. be better than your competition). Whatever specialization you pursue, there is always room for clinicians who are in the top 10% of competency. Be the best at what you do, and you'll never be out of work.

I don't know about that. The very well-off psychologists I know are VERY niche-y (e.g. sexually violent predator assessment and treatment on the clinical side, unique and important health care research on the academic side). There are real discrepancies between what psychologists in different specialties are paid.

If you're an expert in something that no one else can do, you can charge a mint for what you can do. In contrast, you could be the world's best group-practice MFT, but you still won't make much if that's all you do (unless you, say, write a pop psych book, which again is making yourself a tight niche).
 
This may be oversimplifying things, but I would go to any school's website and look at the list of required classes. This list reflects the training, and eventually you'll do what you're trained to do.
Which list do you like the most? if you like biology, medicine etc... consider going that route. If you don't like the idea of too much chemistry then maybe it's not the best thing to do.
When I was told that I should study only 2 years and become a MSW and "do the same as psychologists do", it took me less than 5 minutes to see the difference in training and realize SW is NOT for me.

Hope it helps a little.
 
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