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I really feel bad about myself after reading this thread... So far i have been lucky
Vandalizing wikipedia is not exactly a moral thing to do either.
So we are going to slip into immorality in an effort to catch others who are behaving immoral themselves? Sounds like a delicious double standard.
I agree... Especially since we were allowed to us Wikipedia, it's not like we were even cheating by using it.
You might find a use or two for it in med school.I've never encountered a class where using Wikipedia for anything was considered okay.
if the prof himself wrote the Wiki articles, he may have been trying to trap lazy students who would just cut and paste, and not do any diligent research.
I've never encountered a class where using Wikipedia for anything was considered okay.
You might find a use or two for it in med school.
My god, what is with kids and their fake IDs nowadays. What happened to good old fashioned finding someone over the age of 21 to buy you booze.
Isn't this a civil issue not a criminal one? Do I have to abide by every civil code in order to remain ethical?
I'm fairly certain it's impossible to legally acquire the teacher's editions as a student. They say stuff like "not for commercial sales" or "for teacher/professor use only" and certainly say no resales or copying. But I agree the issue of illegal downloading is separate from cheating IA, just like illegal movies or music downloads. So the question is whether a student who came to possess the teacher's only guide by an unknown means can be called a cheater for it.
I think I'd have to be in your camp, that since the materials are out there (even if only by dubious channels) the prof must act so that having the materials provides no benefit to the grade (eg homework is all optional). Same way I feel about circulation of old practice exams, that because some people have them it's on professors to either write new tests or keep their test backlog available to the full class. LizzyM seems to feel like they are both on the student and should be punished as cheating if reported/caught!But then you can't get into all the bars and clubs with the cool kids!
When it comes to how a school interprets it, does it really matter? There are plenty of things that people can be expelled for or receive IAs for that aren't illegal, just something the school sees as unethical. Whether it's criminal or civil, doing something illegal will typically warrant some kind of response from the school you attend. How harshly one is punished (if at all) will obviously depend on the school.
I don't know how much legal weight simply writing "not for commercial sales" carries, but I would assume that one would not be punished for simply having a book that says "for teacher use only". I was able to find a few of the 'teacher's only' versions of textbooks in college, but decided the $300-400 cost wasn't worth the 10-12 hours it took me to just do the homework. As far as I'm concerned, if a prof doesn't state that a student can't purchase it and it's not against the school's honor code, then I don't think the student has done anything wrong (assuming they obtained it through legal means). Though I'd still be interested in the opinions of some of this sites generous adcom members.
[snicker]Universally looked down upon. Universally used anyways.You might find a use or two for it in med school.
Looks to be highly effective in molding med student behavior.Dr. Timi Wusu would not want you to use Wiki!
This is a public service announcement to all incoming freshman pre-meds.
There are some things you can do that will destroy your chances of getting into medical school. Consider this list WHAT NOT TO DO:
Do not copy from someone else's paper.
Do not let others copy from your paper.
Do not change a grade on an test, exam or quiz and submit it for regrading.
Do not share lab reports or lab notes with others.
Do not share old tests with others.
Do not collaborate on lab reports, term papers, or take home exams, unless you have something in writing from your instructor stating that this is permitted.
Do not use unauthorized material in completing homework assignments or take home exams. Don't obtain teacher's or desk copies of textbooks. Don't use Google for help with problem sets or to find problems and solutions.
Cite any material you use in a term paper. This means putting material from other sources in quotation marks with a citation indicating the source of the material. If you use an idea but not the exact words, cite the source of the idea. If you don't know how to cite material, ask your professor for help in learning this valuable skill.
Do not sell or give your prescription medication to anyone else. Do not use prescription medications that have been prescribed for someone else. In particular, do not use medications for ADHD that were not prescribed for you by a licensed physician.
This is not an exhaustive list but these are some examples of situations that can get you accused of academic dishonesty. If the institution finds that you have engaged in academic dishonesty, even if it was not to your benefit (e.g. you were doing very well but shared material with someone else) you will have a black mark on your record and your dreams of going to medical school will be OVER.
Dr. Timi Wusu would not want you to use Wiki!
What is Blepharophyma?
I would trust wikipedia to give a basic definition of the disease, and maybe explain what causes it. But I would delve into the primary literature if I needed more than that.
UpToDate, which you'll have access to as a med student if your school has a subscription or Google to PUBMedWhat is Blepharophyma?
I would trust wikipedia to give a basic definition of the disease, and maybe explain what causes it. But I would delve into the primary literature if I needed more than that.
What is Blepharophyma?
Great google images search.
This infuriates me so much. You don't treat people like souvenirs! (unless they are celebrities, they don't count as people according to privacy laws)Don't take selfies with sick and dying people in the third world on your "mission trips." *shudder*
This infuriates me so much. You don't treat people like souvenirs! (unless they are celebrities, they don't count as people according to privacy laws)
Unless the celebrity is a patient. Then the privacy laws certainly do apply!This infuriates me so much. You don't treat people like souvenirs! (unless they are celebrities, they don't count as people according to privacy laws)
Vandalizing wikipedia is not exactly a moral thing to do either.
So we are going to slip into immorality in an effort to catch others who are behaving immoral themselves? Sounds like a delicious double standard.
Don't take selfies with sick and dying people in the third world on your "mission trips." *shudder*
Based in SA? He probably went to a Caribbean school.
Hospital volunteers in SoCal actually seem to have a hard time understanding this...Unless the celebrity is a patient. Then the privacy laws certainly do apply!
A kid in one of the classes I TA'd for got her calculus exam back, on which she had gotten a 64%. She took the exam home, opened up a Word document, and typed up a new copy of the test. She printed out the blank exam, and then filled in all the correct solutions, except for a few deliberate mistakes to make it look genuine. She even went so far as to use a red pen and add in some grader's comments. She then took the exam back to the professor and told him that he had made a mistake, he accidentally entered 64% on Blackboard when "really" she had gotten a 98%. Of course they recognized what she'd done right away, as the grader's comments were in her own handwriting, and she had a history of cheating (it was her second time taking the class).
So yeah. Don't do that.
We had a similar situation come up at my college. The student expertly forged the teacher's handwriting, to the point that even the teacher couldn't tell the difference, and then submitted it for a re-grade. Except this wasn't just a teacher, but a chemistry professor who wasn't about to be outsmarted by a cheating undergrad. So they promptly extracted the ink, ran in through a gas chromatography machine, and compared the retention time to the red ink in their own trusty grading pen. Yikes.
Needless to say, someone got in big trouble.
We had a similar situation come up at my college. The student expertly forged the teacher's handwriting, to the point that even the teacher couldn't tell the difference, and then submitted it for a re-grade. Except this wasn't just a teacher, but a chemistry professor who wasn't about to be outsmarted by a cheating undergrad. So they promptly extracted the ink, ran in through a gas chromatography machine, and compared the retention time to the red ink in their own trusty grading pen. Yikes.
Needless to say, someone got in big trouble.
We had a similar situation come up at my college. The student expertly forged the teacher's handwriting, to the point that even the teacher couldn't tell the difference, and then submitted it for a re-grade. Except this wasn't just a teacher, but a chemistry professor who wasn't about to be outsmarted by a cheating undergrad. So they promptly extracted the ink, ran in through a gas chromatography machine, and compared the retention time to the red ink in their own trusty grading pen. Yikes.
Needless to say, someone got in big trouble.
We had a similar situation come up at my college. The student expertly forged the teacher's handwriting, to the point that even the teacher couldn't tell the difference, and then submitted it for a re-grade. Except this wasn't just a teacher, but a chemistry professor who wasn't about to be outsmarted by a cheating undergrad. So they promptly extracted the ink, ran in through a gas chromatography machine, and compared the retention time to the red ink in their own trusty grading pen. Yikes.
Needless to say, someone got in big trouble.
At my school, they scan every test before they give it back to you so you can't pull stuff like that.
In Ca I believe all UCs have to do this. I thought it was the norm everywhere?Wow, that's super thorough. I wish every school did that, cheating really needs to be cracked down on IMO.
In Ca I believe all UCs have to do this. I thought it was the norm everywhere?
See, we have CMAPping sessions where we have to concept map things. A good way to start is going to Wikipedia, as it will often have a basic mechanism and such, then using the information you gleam from there as keywords for your UpToDate and other library searches. It isn't a final destination, it is a starting point.UpToDate, which you'll have access to as a med student if your school has a subscription or Google to PUBMed
We had a similar situation come up at my college. The student expertly forged the teacher's handwriting, to the point that even the teacher couldn't tell the difference, and then submitted it for a re-grade. Except this wasn't just a teacher, but a chemistry professor who wasn't about to be outsmarted by a cheating undergrad. So they promptly extracted the ink, ran in through a gas chromatography machine, and compared the retention time to the red ink in their own trusty grading pen. Yikes.
Needless to say, someone got in big trouble.
In Ca I believe all UCs have to do this. I thought it was the norm everywhere?
Professors at my school and it drives me NUTS!Who uses scantron in college?
If your professor permits a certain material, then it will be acceptable. If you want to use material that the professor has not endorsed, ask before you use it. If you are afraid to ask, that might be a clue that it could be considered dishonest to use it.Wait, buying teachers' versions of textbooks is considered academic dishonesty? I've had several professors encourage us to use them for explanations on how to solve problems we're stuck on. Hell, my organic professor put a copy of the solution manual on reserve in the library for us.
Reasonable enough. I guess I'm just surprised professors would even take issue with students using the manuals. They're in many ways an invaluable study resource. Access to a bunch of problems with no way to check if you're getting the right answer is much less useful than the ability to check your work and see if you're on the right track.If your professor permits a certain material, then it will be acceptable. If you want to use material that the professor has not endorsed, ask before you use it. If you are afraid to ask, that might be a clue that it could be considered dishonest to use it.
Not always a deal breaker.Another one: Flirting with your interviewer during the interview
I should have not read thisNot always a deal breaker.
Don't a lot of textbooks nowadays have solution manuals along with the textbook?? I know my Chemistry book had a separate solutions manual with worked out problems that students used for homework. Or I think you can buy the solutions online as well.
Also, I'd think by now a lot of professors and/or AIs are aware that students look up the answers. A Physics AI basically knew that 85% of the class had a solutions manual because the grades on the hw didn't match up with grades on the test, but I don't think anything happened.