What should I be doing to get into a top medical school?

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Medicine is my passion and is something I definitely want to pursue. I'm currently a freshman at a local university (Florida Gulf Coast University). They offer a program called ACE for early admission, and I just turned 16. Last semester, I took 16 credits and I am taking 16 credits this semester as well. I am finishing my second semester of general biology now, and have yet to take the majority of my science classes (I wanted to check of some humanities first). I have a 3.94 college gpa/4.0 or 4.54 high school gpa. I am supposed to begin volunteering at a local hospital next week after my orientation.
I am involved with a lot of extracurricular activities, particularly surrounding classical voice/opera. I'm in two choirs and I do many performances throughout the season. I can also play a little piano.
I would really like to attend Stanford Medical School. Besides keeping a good GPA and getting a good MCAT score, what should I do to make myself a better applicant? How can I get involved in shadowing physicians? Should I do research beyond the required senior research project required at my university? What about summer pre-med programs?

Thank you so much for all of your answers! 🙂
 
Without reading your long post about your wishes and desires to "get into a top medical school"…. my advice: do your best and enjoy your UG. Don't think there's only one medical school that could fit. Stop, stop, stop…. obsessing about these things so early into college won't improve your chances.
 
If you are going for a top 10 school the most obvious starting point is exceptional GPA and MCAT. If I could go back in time and be a college freshman, my goal would be GPA 3.9+ and MCAT 36+ (or 97th percentile or better, whatever that will be on the new MCAT). This in my opinion should be your primary focus. Do not sacrifice these things for anything (other than perhaps your sanity... perhaps).

Next is clinical exp, volunteering, research. You should try to be involved in all three in some way shape or form year round. Look for quality instead of quantity. That is, long term volunteer commitments, even better if you can take some initiative and turn the experience into a leadership role. Research is KEY for top schools IMO. You don't have to publish but it sure will look good if you do. I would recommend at least 3 years of research. Clinical experience is the easy part. Start off with lots of shadowing (maybe like 100 hours across multiple specialties). Then just keep an eye out for other opportunities for clinical experience. I would shoot for at least 500 hours if not 1000+.

One last word of advise. Keep in mind that LORs are going to be very important. As you move through UG build relationships with people that will be able to comment on various aspects of your personality/character. For example, an LOR from a research mentor will likely showcase a different part of you than the social worker that runs the nonprofit that you have been volunteering with. Both would make valuable letters and the two of them together is even better. This is just one more reason why it is very important to commit to ECs for long periods of time.

Thats all I can think of at the moment.. Good luck!


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if you could get into Stanford, you could (probably) get into UF, USF, etc.... and when you see the cost difference between them... you won't be so high on Stanford anymore.
The average debt coming out of Stanford is actually quite low, I think because they give out a lot of scholarship money.

To OP: There is no way to guarantee you'll get into Stanford, so don't get your heart set on it. That being said, you're already on your way to a strong application. Keep up the good grades and take the MCAT when you're consistently scoring what you want on the practice tests. Continue the clinical volunteering and the musical ECs, and anything else you enjoy (AKA have some fun while you're in college, okay?). For research-focused schools like Stanford, significant research experience is not required, but would help. If you're interested in research, consider doing a summer program or taking a gap year or two working in a lab. If you can get a publication out of it (especially a first-author one), that will look great.
 
The average debt coming out of Stanford is actually quite low, I think because they give out a lot of scholarship money.

To OP: There is no way to guarantee you'll get into Stanford, so don't get your heart set on it. That being said, you're already on your way to a strong application. Keep up the good grades and take the MCAT when you're consistently scoring what you want on the practice tests. Continue the clinical volunteering and the musical ECs, and anything else you enjoy (AKA have some fun while you're in college, okay?). For research-focused schools like Stanford, significant research experience is not required, but would help. If you're interested in research, consider doing a summer program or taking a gap year or two working in a lab. If you can get a publication out of it (especially a first-author one), that will look great.

There's also the cost of cross country flights, etc to consider though, and COL in the Bay Area is insane. I'm assuming given the OP's age and current school, that she/he is from the Ft. Myers area. If the OP managed to survive the awful excuse for public schools that exist in Florida, FL is a good state to be from if you want to become a physician.

/does anyone else instinctively think of "Orange County" when anyone brings up Stanford being their dream school?
 
You can do "everything" (4.0 GPA, 99% percentile MCAT, tons of extracurriculars, lots of research and publications, experiences abroad, jobs, hundreds of hours of volunteering, an awesome personal statement, amazeballs rec letters, awards out your arse, and have a disadvantaged background) and still not get into Stanford. Good news is that if you do all these things, you'll probably get in somewhere good, be it Stanford or somewhere else.
 
The average debt coming out of Stanford is actually quite low, I think because they give out a lot of scholarship money.

To OP: There is no way to guarantee you'll get into Stanford, so don't get your heart set on it. That being said, you're already on your way to a strong application. Keep up the good grades and take the MCAT when you're consistently scoring what you want on the practice tests. Continue the clinical volunteering and the musical ECs, and anything else you enjoy (AKA have some fun while you're in college, okay?). For research-focused schools like Stanford, significant research experience is not required, but would help. If you're interested in research, consider doing a summer program or taking a gap year or two working in a lab. If you can get a publication out of it (especially a first-author one), that will look great.

Does it matter what kind of research I do? I am particularly interested in cancer research and the effects of melattin (a large component of bee venom) on malignant cells. Should I research something less cliche? Also, how do I get involved in research outside of my university?
 
Yup, @CannedPineapple hit the nail on the head. OP, if you scope out MD apps, you'll see that quite a few applicants with ridiculous stats and ECs do not even get interviews at certain schools. I'm all for aiming high, but don't focus on just one school.

Yes, I am completely aware of this fact. At the moment, Stanford is only a dream school. I am definitely keeping other schools in mind that would have lower tuition and higher acceptance rates (UF, UNC at Chapel Hill, UCLA, University of Miami, etc.).
 
There's also the cost of cross country flights, etc to consider though, and COL in the Bay Area is insane. I'm assuming given the OP's age and current school, that she/he is from the Ft. Myers area. If the OP managed to survive the awful excuse for public schools that exist in Florida, FL is a good state to be from if you want to become a physician.

/does anyone else instinctively think of "Orange County" when anyone brings up Stanford being their dream school?

Tuition is a concern, but as I have a scholarship that covers my UG tuition, I am able to save for med-school. What do you mean by "the awful excuse for public schools in Florida"? Would coming from a relatively new school like mine (opened in 1997) be a disadvantage? I'm also in the honors program if that makes any difference.
 
if you could get into Stanford, you could (probably) get into UF, USF, etc.... and when you see the cost difference between them... you won't be so high on Stanford anymore.

I'm actually interested in the program at UF and the tuition is certainly lower! USF on the other hand, is known to be…well, to say it nicely…a "party school". I am quite familiar with USF and the Tampa area. FGCU actually offers and accelerated BS Biology program with USF's medical school. I would need to apply by the end of next month if I wanted to do this though.
 
Does it matter what kind of research I do? I am particularly interested in cancer research and the effects of melattin (a large component of bee venom) on malignant cells. Should I research something less cliche? Also, how do I get involved in research outside of my university?
That research sounds great! You can look into REU and other summer research programs. The NIH has a summer program as well, and you can always consider taking a gap year or two to do research full time if you want.
 
I'm actually interested in the program at UF and the tuition is certainly lower! USF on the other hand, is known to be…well, to say it nicely…a "party school". I am quite familiar with USF and the Tampa area. FGCU actually offers and accelerated BS Biology program with USF's medical school. I would need to apply by the end of next month if I wanted to do this though.

That's funny. I always thought that way about UF. Maybe you're thinking of the undergrad, but I'm not sure I would classify any medical school as a "party school".

I would be careful eliminating any medical school from your list at this point, especially your state schools. When you have that 98% percentile MCAT and 3.9 GPA, publications, and awesome EC's after four years of college, then you can start to classify schools into categories, but for now, focus on getting to the point where you can be picky, not which schools you're going to pick.
 
You can do "everything" (4.0 GPA, 99% percentile MCAT, tons of extracurriculars, lots of research and publications, experiences abroad, jobs, hundreds of hours of volunteering, an awesome personal statement, amazeballs rec letters, awards out your arse, and have a disadvantaged background) and still not get into Stanford. Good news is that if you do all these things, you'll probably get in somewhere good, be it Stanford or somewhere else.

Just be a well-rounded person w/ good grades. There is no magic formula for getting into a top school.

These are the real answers. I received a full tuition scholarship to U of C, interviewed at some schools in the same realm as Stanford, but didn't end up getting interviews to Harvard, Penn, or Stanford. Understand that there are more than enough qualified applicants to fill the ranks of these schools. It's extremely rare to get acceptances to all of them. Call yourself lucky if you manage to get a couple of "top" acceptances. If you're focusing on one school and make that your primary goal, you're really setting yourself up for disappointment.
 
Medicine is my passion and is something I definitely want to pursue. I'm currently a freshman at a local university (Florida Gulf Coast University). They offer a program called ACE for early admission, and I just turned 16. Last semester, I took 16 credits and I am taking 16 credits this semester as well. I am finishing my second semester of general biology now, and have yet to take the majority of my science classes (I wanted to check of some humanities first). I have a 3.94 college gpa/4.0 or 4.54 high school gpa. I am supposed to begin volunteering at a local hospital next week after my orientation.
I am involved with a lot of extracurricular activities, particularly surrounding classical voice/opera. I'm in two choirs and I do many performances throughout the season. I can also play a little piano.
I would really like to attend Stanford Medical School. Besides keeping a good GPA and getting a good MCAT score, what should I do to make myself a better applicant? How can I get involved in shadowing physicians? Should I do research beyond the required senior research project required at my university? What about summer pre-med programs?

Thank you so much for all of your answers! 🙂
hi, i did some research a while back on this, and read that you don't really have to go to the top med school to learn what you need to learn to move to the next level, and apply to more than one med school
 
Just be a well-rounded person w/ good grades. There is no magic formula for getting into a top school.
No, top schools don't want well rounded people. You need to be pointy. The #1 thing people do wrong for top 5 schools is to be well-rounded. This does not mean that you shouldn't have certain things but you must excel in one or more areas.
 
All those extra curricular things (Choir, music etc) will NOT matter at all to admissions. Focus more of your time on getting good exposure to the medical field. Dont spend a few hours here and there but spend a good amount of quality time at one place.


Stay focused and get to know as many people as you can and use them as mentors and think of them as assets that you might use later in life.


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Medicine is my passion and is something I definitely want to pursue. I'm currently a freshman at a local university (Florida Gulf Coast University). They offer a program called ACE for early admission, and I just turned 16. Last semester, I took 16 credits and I am taking 16 credits this semester as well. I am finishing my second semester of general biology now, and have yet to take the majority of my science classes (I wanted to check of some humanities first). I have a 3.94 college gpa/4.0 or 4.54 high school gpa. I am supposed to begin volunteering at a local hospital next week after my orientation.
I am involved with a lot of extracurricular activities, particularly surrounding classical voice/opera. I'm in two choirs and I do many performances throughout the season. I can also play a little piano.
I would really like to attend Stanford Medical School. Besides keeping a good GPA and getting a good MCAT score, what should I do to make myself a better applicant? How can I get involved in shadowing physicians? Should I do research beyond the required senior research project required at my university? What about summer pre-med programs?

Thank you so much for all of your answers! 🙂
I just got into several top 20 programs including Yale. Waiting on a few more. Grades and mcat help, but alone scores won't do it. My mcat and GPA were below average for top programs by a good margin, however my research background is extremely strong. Every interview I went on they brought up my research and publications. I even asked if my scores were too low and all of them said they don't care about that as much since other parts of my app make up for it . I'm a bit biased but if you can get a publication then you are golden.
 
All those extra curricular things (Choir, music etc) will NOT matter at all to admissions. Focus more of your time on getting good exposure to the medical field. Dont spend a few hours here and there but spend a good amount of quality time at one place.
I disagree that the music will not matter to admissions. It is good to have passion for things outside of medicine. I was asked about my non-medical ECs in every interview. It also helps to keep you sane and make you a happier person. I do think that research, non-clinical volunteering with an underserved population and clinical work or volunteering are going to be looked at, but schools love to say things like, "We have a circus clown, mountain climber and opera singer" in their class statistics.

I also agree that getting involved in one non-clinical volunteering experience and sticking with it looks better than doing a lot of volunteer hours through a philanthropy club. I was dinged for that at two interviews and got feedback from my advisor that it was a weakness, although I had a ton of hours.
 
If you want a shot at an interview at Stanford you should aim for a 3.9+, 518+, first author publication with 2+ years of research, summer research internship at a high profile institution (NIH, MSKCC, Mayo), solid clinical experience & volunteering, and get a recommendation letter from someone who's faculty at Stanford.
 
Side note: If your profile picture is an actual photo of yourself, change it. Anonymity is king around here.

Best of luck OP!


Can't stress this enough! If that is an actual picture of you, you've given us a photo and your school. That's more than enough to ID you.


Short of winning the Nobel Prize (I'm being facetious), there's no way to guarantee a spot at a top school. There's so many factors that go into med school admissions that even with the top scores and great ECs it's still possible to get no IIs at the top schools. So, focus on doing the best you can possibly do and let the chips fall where they do come your app cycle.
 
All those extra curricular things (Choir, music etc) will NOT matter at all to admissions. Focus more of your time on getting good exposure to the medical field. Dont spend a few hours here and there but spend a good amount of quality time at one place.


Stay focused and get to know as many people as you can and use them as mentors and think of them as assets that you might use later in life.


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I also disagree. For top schools, your ECs unrelated to medicine matter just as much, if not more. Why? Top schools want leaders, people that will change medicine and the world. How do you find those people? Well, great question. The best they can do is to use an indirect means of assessing who have the best potential to be those leaders. You start with academics, and rightfully so. That leaves ~2,000 students who are the cream of the crop numerically (>= 36, 3.80). That's far more than the number of seats at top 10s, not to mention the top 5. Of those people, the majority will be "well-rounded" with volunteering (clinical,non), some club involvement, shadowing, research, and usually some hobby. So then how do you decide who to pick out of the 2,000 students PLUS the exceptional students with lower numbers? You look for the pointy candidates. As someone in a recent post phrased quite nicely, many of the ECs you put are marked by participation. You need to distinguish yourself and the only way to do that is through results--productivity. Looking at MDapps, my own app, and that of my friends, it is obvious that most acceptees to these top programs are not well-rounded in the traditional sense. Yes, they have most things from clinical exposure to research; yet, the amount and caliber of these things are extremely lackluster i.e. average or even below average. What gets them in (beyond the LORs, interviews) is some aspect that really sticks out, something maybe only a handful of applicants have each cycle. Furthermore, it is my impression that most schools do not put numbers as the main criteria after a certain point; it so just happens that many high stat applicants are the ones with ECs that fit an institution.

If OP really wants to go to Stanford, the best hope is to try and stick out like a sore thumb somehow. There is no guarantee OP can make it specifically to Stanford, but if she develops a pointy app, she has a very nice chance of getting to a top 5 assuming LORs, stats, interview are up to par.

So how does OP do that? Looking at her original post, it seems as if she is passionate about classical music and opera. If OP can develop that to a high level (also dependent on her current level) that is recognised, that is exactly the point thing she needs. I would advise OP to forget about piano for the app; there is almost no chance you will develop piano skills to a pointy level in 3-4 years. Also, pointy doesn't have to necessarily mean you are the national champion at something. An Asian who plays football at a high level stands out because of how few Asians play football let alone at a high level. Furthermore, certain activities stand out by themselves; examples would be like people who tight rope walk between canyons, someone who could play an uncommon instrument (perhaps from the medieval times), etc.

Knowing all that leads to how someone could manage the time to become pointy. Trying to be well-rounded is the pitfall to developing an app for the top schools (top 5 in particular). If you try to be well-rounded, you devote little chunks of time to everywhere. These little chunks add up and you aren't able to excel in a particular area. Forget about volunteering a few hours each week or doing more shadowing than you need or doing a bit of research here and hopping labs or changing projects. Focus almost exclusively on that one area that you want to make pointy while maintaining your academics. Can you develop something pointy in 3-4 years? Possibly but definitely even if you worked on it full-time, it is not a guarantee. You can imagine that many applicants who have these pointy things are just ordinary people who picked up that activity a long long time ago.

Yes, research is very important and commonplace for these applicants because it is one of the most readily accessible activities at many institutions. The qualities you derive from research is also very important. However, don't get the wrong impression that you must have exceptional research to be admitted at these schools. Standing out in research is a hit or miss for many factors, ranging from how many pre-meds pursue it to your specific project and lab.

Lastly, try to have a theme to your application. Forget the volunteering at the hospital, free clinic, etc (in most instances). Tailor these things to your passion. If you excel at a sport, volunteer with disabled children that play that sport or at a special olympics camp, etc. If you excel at singing, coordinate something with patients in the hospital to put that voice to use. Don't do a random grab bag of stuff just to check the boxes. If you love cancer research, try to do some volunteering or shadowing in the oncology department so you can paint a face to the work you do in an isolated room. Link your activities so you have a theme and you will actually like doing them.

P.S. if you try to develop a pointy part just for the sake of it and you aren't actually passionate about it, you are in for a very very long road. The amount of dedication and work that is required to truly stand out will test you.
 
This thread is over a year old. For some reason it was bumped and interestingly OP hasn't posted on SDN since May 17, 2015.


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Be better than over 98% of the applicants who apply to Stanford the year you apply without having any idea of what Stanford will perceive as being "better". Simple enough?
 
Do well I school and the MCAT. Aside from that, pick up EC's that are interesting to you. Most of all, develop yourself as a person. Enjoy undergrad, do things that excite you, experience things you'll never get to experience again.
 
Get Good Grades and be involved in medically related things as well as some non medically related things. In 4 years or so study hard and do well on the MCAT. Worry about everything else including specific medical schools after that.
 
This thread is over a year old. For some reason it was bumped and interestingly OP hasn't posted on SDN since May 17, 2015.


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I guess @MaxPlancker wasted a bunch of time disagreeing with me


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Lol not really if people visit the thread which they do even on old threads. OP doesn't necessarily have to be present for my post to be of value.
True actually, I got a lot of info from posts back in '04 and such.


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Hey SDN! Wow I haven't been on this forum in forever but I just realized that a bunch of you posted on this thread! Thank you so much for all of the valuable information. To give a bit of an update on where I am now: My GPA has slipped a little bit (3.82) in the last year due to a lot of family issues. Long story short, my parents forced me to transfer to a small private Christian college in north Florida, and as I am still a minor, I did not exactly have much say in this. This semester, I am taking Gen Chem 2, Microbiology, Calc 1, as well as some electives. After turning 18, I hope to transfer back to FGCU and continue my course outline. It has just been very complicated. I would appreciate any advice you can give me going forward from here. I am still pursuing classical voice as my minor, but am concerned about how to best improve my med school app based on my current circumstances and inability to be involved with any clinical experience or research at the moment. Is it too much to still dream of Stanford? If so, what are my options and your thoughts regarding other medical schools and where my stats need to be?
 
I would start focusing on buffing your clinical experience before worrying about Stanford as a lack of clinical exposure will basically keep you from any medical school.
 
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