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If I got at least 1/3 of vandy paid in grants I would go there... otherwise memphis. If you know you want an exclusive specialty, lean more towards vanderbilt. Will residencies care that you're on a full ride to memphis? or just the name? i'm guessing name.

I'm thinking radonc which really throws a wrench into this otherwise easy decision.

I've had people tell me that I'd be an idiot to turn down a full ride at UT.

...I've also had people tell me that I'd be an idiot to not attend Vanderbilt.
 
wow, all that in 15 minutes... congrats on the full ride. i gotta say that it's a tough choice between the free money and getting the heck out of dodge.
 
wow, all that in 15 minutes... congrats on the full ride. i gotta say that it's a tough choice between the free money and getting the heck out of dodge.

I'm really beginning to think that a year's worth of salary in 10 years will be worth not having to live in this city for another 4 years.
 
wow, all that in 15 minutes... congrats on the full ride. i gotta say that it's a tough choice between the free money and getting the heck out of dodge.

a visit to any of the "post-allo" forums says it's only a tough choice for us pre-allos, though . . .

op: memphis is not the best place to be for four years, but in large part because of this the clinical opportunities at ut-memphis are awesome. just think about how awesome that sf/nyc residency is going to be with no debt!
 
Go with the money. If it were just between state school tuition and private school tuition I'd say Vandy. But a full ride? Are you exaggerating, cause if not take the full ride.
 
a visit to any of the "post-allo" forums says it's only a tough choice for us pre-allos, though . . .

op: memphis is not the best place to be for four years, but in large part because of this the clinical opportunities at ut-memphis are awesome. just think about how awesome that sf/nyc residency is going to be with no debt!

I've been here the past 4 years already, the thought of spending probably the best decade of my life entirely in Memphis is extremely depressing...I know that the clinical opportunities at the MED are awesome, but thats 2 years from now. My interest in radonc also presents a problem in terms of getting to a "sf/nyc" residency (see the radonc resident forum, I started a thread about this specific issue over there)
 
I'm really beginning to think that a year's worth of salary in 10 years will be worth not having to live in this city for another 4 years.
It won't just be a year's worth of salary and boom yer done - it'll be 5-10 years of monthly payments.
 
I've been here the past 4 years already, the thought of spending probably the best decade of my life entirely in Memphis is extremely depressing...I know that the clinical opportunities at the MED are awesome, but thats 2 years from now. My interest in radonc also presents a problem in terms of getting to a "sf/nyc" residency (see the radonc resident forum, I started a thread about this specific issue over there)

I've gotta say, while I certainly agree Memphis isn't the greatest city in the world by any stretch of the imagination, it's not that bad, either. Granted, I never actually lived in the Memphis city limits, and I've been out for four years, but I really think a lot of where you live is what you make it... My current hometown is most certainly not somewhere I would EVER in a million years want to stay forever, but I have good friends, and we have good times. And in the grand scheme of things, it's only 4 years...

On the other hand, I have absolutely no knowledge of where you'd fit in best, have the best chance at reaching your goals, etc, so those are obiously major factors as well. I guess in these situations you really just have to go with your gut and do what feels right for you. Good luck with it all. 🙂
 
but I really think a lot of where you live is what you make it...

it is, and its much easier to make the most out of where you live if there is nightlife and outdoorsy stuff to do. Memphis lacks the QOL that I desire...this belief comes from living here for the past 4 years.

although I enjoy barbecue, fried chicken, and humid summers, I feel that life should be about exploring the world, rather than living in one place.
 
it is, and its much easier to make the most out of where you live if there is nightlife and outdoorsy stuff to do. Memphis lacks the QOL that I desire...this belief comes from living here for the past 4 years.

although I enjoy barbecue, fried chicken, and humid summers, I feel that life should be about exploring the world, rather than living in one place.

I certainly agree - location will be a factor if I chose ETSU over UT (if given a chance to choose either one!) mostly for the outdoor opportunities. I guess it just depends on how much of a factor you chose to make it. I adore traveling and have no intention of staying in this part of the country at all in the long term (though I have no idea where I want to end up). But I also don't really subscribe to the whole "20's is the best time of your life" mantra. Have I had fun so far? Yep! But honesly I have a feeling my future is going to be even better, with a familly (hopefully) and career I love and the money to enjoy all the hard work I put into it.

I think most of this is just a difference in perspectives, though, so I'm going to quit rambling about things you probably don't want to know anyway! :laugh:
 
QM, also bear in mind that residency selection committees will look kindly upon your full ride and will know that if you had a full ride, you had great opportunities elsewhere.

Another thing, it's not just a year's salary. It's probably closer to $500K after all the interest. And if you want to pay it off in 5-10 years, you're looking at $8300/month payments for 5 years or $4200/month payments for 10. (Very roughly.) So if you make $250K a year out of residency (pretty generous), you'll bring home roughly $12,500/month. Do you want to throw that much of it every month to live in another city for four years? Is it worth that much to you to move a few hours away to Nashville? That's your decision to make, just bear in mind though that it's a much easier one to make now when it's really abstract but much harder later when you have private school tuition for the kids, a 5000 sq. ft. house, two Beemers, 2 nice vacations a year, a new dog, and your wife's shopping habit (because what doctor's wife is going to be caught wearing LAST season's clothes!) to pay for.
 
QM, also bear in mind that residency selection committees will look kindly upon your full ride and will know that if you had a full ride, you had great opportunities elsewhere.

Another thing, it's not just a year's salary. It's probably closer to $500K after all the interest. And if you want to pay it off in 5-10 years, you're looking at $8300/month payments for 5 years or $4200/month payments for 10. (Very roughly.) So if you make $250K a year out of residency (pretty generous), you'll bring home roughly $12,500/month. Do you want to throw that much of it every month to live in another city for four years? Is it worth that much to you to move a few hours away to Nashville? That's your decision to make, just bear in mind though that it's a much easier one to make now when it's really abstract but much harder later when you have private school tuition for the kids, a 5000 sq. ft. house, two Beemers, 2 nice vacations a year, a new dog, and your wife's shopping habit (because what doctor's wife is going to be caught wearing LAST season's clothes!) to pay for.

"new car, caviar, four star daydream, think I'll buy me a football team"

in all seriousness though, location is one reason why I'm still leaning toward Vandy right now. Research opportunities, reputation, and a happier student body also seem pretty important to me right now.
 
Hey, Quantum, I know we've been PMing for a while, but everyone should hear this....

I was talking to a doctor (radonc actually, at the West Clinic in memphis, for those in the know), and he told me the following:

"I know I sound like a condescending old doctor, but 20-24 year olds simply don't have the life experience to know how important money actually is. You may think you know, but until you have a family to support single-handedly, you just don'y know what it's like. Right now you may think that money isn't so important as long as you're doing what you like to do, but trust me, 10 years from now, money will be everything."

He wasn't saying that you should go into medicine for the money, he was just telling me to be careful with all that optimism and drive. Money is, was, and always will be the great equalizer. Keep that in mind when you're thinking about location.
 
"I know I sound like a condescending old doctor, but 20-24 year olds simply don't have the life experience to know how important money actually is. You may think you know, but until you have a family to support single-handedly, you just don'y know what it's like. Right now you may think that money isn't so important as long as you're doing what you like to do, but trust me, 10 years from now, money will be everything."

I don't plan on supporting a family single-handedly. That's a very dumb idea👎

But I do understand what his point is, and that's why I find this to be a difficult decision.
 
QM,
I saw on the Travel Channel last night that Memphis has really good BBQ. I'm curious to know how this factors into your decision. 😀
 
QM,
I saw on the Travel Channel last night that Memphis has really good BBQ. I'm curious to know how this factors into your decision. 😀

I've eaten at Rendezvous, Central, and the BBQ shop so many times already...

...Gus's fried chicken is excellent though.
 
dont forget tops...you can get a sandwich for breakfast.
 
Just gonna give you my honest opinions.

Location favors Vandy
Rep. favors Vandy
Clinicals? Guessing Vandy
Money? UT
Personal "gut" feeling? Looks to me like you favor Vandy.

I'm 30...I've lived my 20's, and if those are the best years of your life, I don't want them back. Sadly, I'm afraid after you leave HS and undergrad, you've left the "best years", but I'm told the retirement isn't bad either...don't know...but I figure I won't be able to do much of the physical/outdoors stuff I like to do at that point.

Anyway, if I was in your shoes, I'd probably have to take the full ride because it makes a lot of sense for a 30 year old just starting out in medicine who is married, etc.....however, if I was 21, I don't think I'd be nearly as worried about the education debt if it meant going to Vandy.

However, it all comes down to where you think you'll get the best opportunity to advance yourself.

I've heard it said many times that your undergrad education is not important enough to shell out the dough for a fancy private school if you can get virtually the same thing at a state school etc...then you can spend the money saved on a prestigious grad school...

This is your decision alone...no one can make it for you.

One thing to never forget is if you didn't go to Vanderbilt, would you regret it?

I'm not sure you would from some of the comments you've made.
 
Just gonna give you my honest opinions.

Location favors Vandy
Rep. favors Vandy
Clinicals? Guessing Vandy
Money? UT
Personal "gut" feeling? Looks to me like you favor Vandy.

I'm 30...I've lived my 20's, and if those are the best years of your life, I don't want them back. Sadly, I'm afraid after you leave HS and undergrad, you've left the "best years", but I'm told the retirement isn't bad either...don't know...but I figure I won't be able to do much of the physical/outdoors stuff I like to do at that point.

Anyway, if I was in your shoes, I'd probably have to take the full ride because it makes a lot of sense for a 30 year old just starting out in medicine who is married, etc.....however, if I was 21, I don't think I'd be nearly as worried about the education debt if it meant going to Vandy.

However, it all comes down to where you think you'll get the best opportunity to advance yourself.

I've heard it said many times that your undergrad education is not important enough to shell out the dough for a fancy private school if you can get virtually the same thing at a state school etc...then you can spend the money saved on a prestigious grad school...

This is your decision alone...no one can make it for you.

One thing to never forget is if you didn't go to Vanderbilt, would you regret it?

I'm not sure you would from some of the comments you've made.

"grad school" (i.e. attaining a phd for the academic job market) is a pretty different beast from "professional school", especially med school. there are no national standards to ensure that phds from different institutions are of the same quality, and so reputation does matter and it serves to sort people in the job market. there are national standards for med school, on the other hand, and they ensure that students at different schools will have met the same basic standards and were given the same basic set of training opportunities. hence, it's not unlikely for someone at a less "prestigious" american med school to match somewhere prestigious.

my question is, would your future self regret giving up a full ride? i think mine would. besides, while nashville is much nicer than memphis, i don't think it's that amazing (unless you really like country music). you could always live in the memphis suburbs, which are basically like any other suburb in the u.s.
 
"grad school" (i.e. attaining a phd for the academic job market) is a pretty different beast from "professional school", especially med school. there are no national standards to ensure that phds from different institutions are of the same quality, and so reputation does matter and it serves to sort people in the job market. there are national standards for med school, on the other hand, and they ensure that students at different schools will have met the same basic standards and were given the same basic set of training opportunities. hence, it's not unlikely for someone at a less "prestigious" american med school to match somewhere prestigious.

my question is, would your future self regret giving up a full ride? i think mine would. besides, while nashville is much nicer than memphis, i don't think it's that amazing (unless you really like country music). you could always live in the memphis suburbs, which are basically like any other suburb in the u.s.

You said it better than I did...but I was basically equating the medical training to undergrad (because there is the great equalizer out there) and the GME to "grad school"..

This person could theoretically and realistically go to UT and score lights out on the boards and still get a very prestigious GME.

So, if you can get to the same place via two different paths...I'd probably have to take the free one.
 
This person could theoretically and realistically go to UT and score lights out on the boards and still get a very prestigious GME.

So, if you can get to the same place via two different paths...I'd probably have to take the free one.

but all things being equal, if I should not perform as well in med school as I would hope and fall into the middle of the pack, would it better better to be an average UT student or an average Vandy student? does it even matter?


p.s. all thanks for the responses, I was worried that I would get flamed (alot of people on sdn see these sorts of "problems" as not worth forum space at all). I just want to make the most informed decision I can. I don't want to regret giving up money or the priviledge of attending a top med school, but that's the difficult choice I'm having to make.
 
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong because I'm admittedly ignorant of the facts, but my assumption would be that the board scores would be the great equalizer.

Not sure.
 
A little more detail about memphis location....

I'm not the most knowledgeable person when it comes to memphis demoghraphics, but I do know that developers are trying very hard to start up an "cultured", "urban" community (think mid-town memphis) pretty much right off beale street, to the south. The pricing will definitely be competitive, and you'll a hop and a skip away from school. By the time you enroll, there could be some great opportunity there, location-wise. I don't know if this means anything to you personally, just making another point...
 
A little more detail about memphis location....

I'm not the most knowledgeable person when it comes to memphis demoghraphics, but I do know that developers are trying very hard to start up an "cultured", "urban" community (think mid-town memphis) pretty much right off beale street, to the south. The pricing will definitely be competitive, and you'll a hop and a skip away from school. By the time you enroll, there could be some great opportunity there, location-wise. I don't know if this means anything to you personally, just making another point...

it sounds great on paper, but my friends live in a similar new "cultured, yet urban" community right off of 7th St. and Auction (immediately north of St. Jude ) and its really not a nice as you'd think. They recently had a 15 year old kid come by their house trying to sell them crack. bleh.
 
it sounds great on paper, but my friends live in a similar new "cultured, yet urban" community right off of 7th St. and Auction (immediately north of St. Jude ) and its really not a nice as you'd think. They recently had a 15 year old kid come by their house trying to sell them crack. bleh.

Ya, I think that's the place I was talking about. Thought it was south, though. I guess I was wrong. Either way, I'm sorry to hear this, I really thought it would work out (g-d knows we need a nice community down there)....
 
Ya, I think that's the place I was talking about. Thought it was south, though. I guess I was wrong. Either way, I'm sorry to hear this, I really thought it would work out (g-d knows we need a nice community down there)....

I'm all for the redevelopment of downtown...but poorly thought out gentrification in Memphis is doomed to fail without the appropriate foundations
 
I've eaten at Rendezvous, Central, and the BBQ shop so many times already...

...Gus's fried chicken is excellent though.

rendezvous is the $hit. i've eaten there a couple of times
 
QM,

Maybe you should compare the 2 match lists, contact med students and physicians from each school, do the revisit thing, and go from there....if all else fails- DARTS work extremely effectively 🙂
 
I'm all for the redevelopment of downtown...but poorly thought out gentrification in Memphis is doomed to fail without the appropriate foundations
true,true. Especially now with our current lack of competent leadership, it seems like everything is doomed. A few weeks aga the Appeal ran an article praising certain area around memphis for starting their homegrown "neighborhood watch" groups. I think the point was completely lost on the writers. These people have no other choice but to violently defend themselves! It's like we're spiraling down into anarchy all because nobody is stepping up, and when they do step up, they end up being corrupt....
 
true,true. Especially now with our current lack of competent leadership, it seems like everything is doomed. A few weeks aga the Appeal ran an article praising certain area around memphis for starting their homegrown "neighborhood watch" groups. I think the point was completely lost on the writers. These people have no other choice but to violently defend themselves! It's like we're spiraling down into anarchy all because nobody is stepping up, and when they do step up, they end up being corrupt....

it comes down to education...this state poorly funds its schools causing a vicious cycle of poverty and apathy in its citizens, esp in urban areas.

interestingly enough, UT-mem's biggest problem is its inability to get enough funding from the state...
 
rendezvous is the $hit. i've eaten there a couple of times

its overrated, Central and the BBQ Shop (on madison in midtown) are much better and much cheaper.
 
QM, have you received any input from Vandy about your fin aid package there? They cannot rescind your acceptance so I would think you would have some leverage if you discuss the 'other' offer you received that is worth $xx and see what Vandy can offer. Perhaps Vanderbilt will you offer you some kind of similar monetary package.

At least that way you're truly comparing the two schools and have the total picture.

good luck.
 
I believe that UT-Memphis is definitely improving and is a great asset to the community. I am especially impressed with their program to integrate students from all of the colleges (nursing, dentistry, pharmacy, etc) for community service projects. It is a great opportunity to work as a team with other health professionals and get a feel for what exactly they do. Your relationships with these people when you are a doctor can make your job much easier. As a medical student you may be able to have a true impact on the community that needs you. However, if you are truly ready for a new environment then you cannot lose with Nashville.
 
I believe that UT-Memphis is definitely improving and is a great asset to the community. I am especially impressed with their program to integrate students from all of the colleges (nursing, dentistry, pharmacy, etc) for community service projects. It is a great opportunity to work as a team with other health professionals and get a feel for what exactly they do. Your relationships with these people when you are a doctor can make your job much easier. As a medical student you may be able to have a true impact on the community that needs you. However, if you are truly ready for a new environment then you cannot lose with Nashville.

its definitely a plus about UT. I'm not worried about clinical training there...I'm more worried about research opportunities, but at least St. Jude is nearby, with plenty of opportunities present.
 
To a fellow Rhodent:
Without having to worry about paying for med school, you could always just buy a house on Mud Island, then sell it when you leave for your residency. A lot of the "downtown" developments are pretty questionable, but Mud Island property has steadily increased in value for years. And you can get a pretty nice little condo for about the same price as med school.
That being said, you gotta go where you know you'll be happiest. I understand the need to get out of Memphis, and recently, I did. Now that I'm gone, though, the idea of going back is way more appealing than I ever would have thought.
 
Have you spent a lot of time in Nashville? Some people really don't like the Vandy vibe..

Have you factored the cost of living into it?
I'm not sure about rent/real estate in Memphis, but in Nashville, especially around Vandy is pretty steep.. (for the south anyway)
 
to the OP -
curious as to what you eventually decided. are you going to take the money or head elsewhere?
as an aside - does anyone know how much bearing a school's name/reputation has during residency match?
thx
 
to the OP -
curious as to what you eventually decided. are you going to take the money or head elsewhere?
as an aside - does anyone know how much bearing a school's name/reputation has during residency match?
thx

It helps, a lot, but it's not the end of the story. I'm a firm believer that history repeats itself, so if you wanna see where graduates end up from different schools, look at the matchlist.
 
to the OP -
curious as to what you eventually decided. are you going to take the money or head elsewhere?
as an aside - does anyone know how much bearing a school's name/reputation has during residency match?
thx

hey...I'm about 100% sure I'm going to Vandy, but I need a couple days to think it over before officially withdrawing...my parents are willing to loan me some money to make the debt less burdensome 🙂barf: PLUS loans are not pleasant looking, but I can handle taking Staffords).

Am I crazy to spend ~$150k more to goto Vanderbilt instead of UT-Memphis? I can't trust laymen, but no one I have asked, including professors I trust, have told me to take the money over Vanderbilt. Sure I could take the money, buy my condo and my new Beamer, but that stuff is only temporal. Education and environment are much more important to me right now.

Also UT would require me to stay in the top third of the class. While I'm pretty sure that this would be doable, its yet another layer of stress that I would have to cope with for the next few years.

I'm single, debtfree (as of now), and damnit I got tons of motivation. With no strings attached to me (and NONE planned for a very long time), and years in front of me. The choice is clear.

What ultimately helped me was a student who went to my school who also made this exact same decision (and the kicker: unlike me she has no interests in academics or specializing).

She has no regrets.

I don't think I'm going to regret this decision.

Those on SDN who have advised me against this decision have some really good points, but I feel that this investment in myself is worth it. If you feel like I'm making a terrible decision, speak soon before its too late to convince me.
 
Also UT would require me to stay in the top third of the class.

F%&% that. You are in no position to know if you can accomplish this until you have your first test or two. You'd be amazed how many top students were surprised at where they ended up in the class after the first exam. It's a whole new ballgame. (UT probably made this offer because they probably don't have to pay about 2/3 of the time).
 
hey...I'm about 100% sure I'm going to Vandy, but I need a couple days to think it over before officially withdrawing...my parents are willing to loan me some money to make the debt less burdensome 🙂barf: PLUS loans are not pleasant looking, but I can handle taking Staffords).

Am I crazy to spend ~$150k more to goto Vanderbilt instead of UT-Memphis? I can't trust laymen, but no one I have asked, including professors I trust, have told me to take the money over Vanderbilt. Sure I could take the money, buy my condo and my new Beamer, but that stuff is only temporal. Education and environment are much more important to me right now.

Also UT would require me to stay in the top third of the class. While I'm pretty sure that this would be doable, its yet another layer of stress that I would have to cope with for the next few years.

I'm single, debtfree (as of now), and damnit I got tons of motivation. With no strings attached to me (and NONE planned for a very long time), and years in front of me. The choice is clear.

What ultimately helped me was a student who went to my school who also made this exact same decision (and the kicker: unlike me she has no interests in academics or specializing).

She has no regrets.

I don't think I'm going to regret this decision.

Those on SDN who have advised me against this decision have some really good points, but I feel that this investment in myself is worth it. If you feel like I'm making a terrible decision, speak soon before its too late to convince me.

To make the choice you are making, I would have to believe that the cheaper school is the absolute wrong place for me - that I would be miserable and possibly quit - to pay an additional $150k for the other.

But I place an extremely low priority on prestige and rankings...and I would never pay anything on the order of $150k extra for a more prestigious school...I just can't believe there is $150k worth of difference between your two options...

Good luck.
 
F%&% that. You are in no position to know if you can accomplish this until you have your first test or two. You'd be amazed how many top students were surprised at where they ended up in the class after the first exam. It's a whole new ballgame. (UT probably made this offer because they probably don't have to pay about 2/3 of the time).

if the mighty Law2Doc says **** It...then I say **** It:laugh:
 
To make the choice you are making, I would have to believe that the cheaper school is the absolute wrong place for me - that I would be miserable and possibly quit - to pay an additional $150k for the other.

But I place an extremely low priority on prestige and rankings...and I would never pay anything on the order of $150k extra for a more prestigious school...I just can't believe there is $150k worth of difference between your two options...

Good luck.

Like I pointed out in my update post and Law2Doc highlighted(it was info I didn't know when I started the thread), UT will require me to be in the top third of my class. Vanderbilt is P/F for year 1, and H/P/F for year 2. Although prestige is part of it, I'm also willing to pay for a supportive, friendly, lower stress environment that Vanderbilt provides. Talking to UT students, M1 and M2 (esp. M2) sounds very malignant.

What if I falter and don't do as well? I did well on the MCAT but that doesn't mean I'm going to ace anatomy. Then I'd really be screwed.
 
Like I pointed out in my update post and Law2Doc highlighted(it was info I didn't know when I started the thread), UT will require me to be in the top third of my class. Vanderbilt is P/F for year 1, and H/P/F for year 2. Although prestige is part of it, I'm also willing to pay for a supportive, friendly, lower stress environment that Vanderbilt provides. Talking to UT students, M1 and M2 (esp. M2) sounds very malignant.

What if I falter and don't do as well? I did well on the MCAT but that doesn't mean I'm going to ace anatomy. Then I'd really be screwed.

The top 1/3 of the class deal definitely affects the decision.

I assume you have done the math - what is the financial worst case at UT if you don't make the top 1/3 of the class? When is that class rank determined? So if it is after Year 1, you got the first year free...and assume you have to pay for the remaining 3 years tuition at UT...I assume tuition is lower at UT than Vandy, so under the worst case scenario, what is the added cost to attend Vandy over the 4 years?

All I am suggesting is that you should know EXACTLY what you are paying for - we all have different criteria, different values, different price point aversions - I am very averse to debt, and I also rate "prestige/rank" extremely low on my decision grid - I do care about the supportive environment stuff - but personally I would not be willing to pay much more for one school over another, all else being equal (and of course it is never equal)...

FWIW, I was an econ major with an MBA...
 
All I am suggesting is that you should know EXACTLY what you are paying for - we all have different criteria, different values, different price point aversions - I am very averse to debt, and I also rate "prestige/rank" extremely low on my decision grid - I do care about the supportive environment stuff - but personally I would not be willing to pay much more for one school over another, all else being equal (and of course it is never equal)...

FWIW, I was an econ major with an MBA...

haha a very economist analysis you laid out. You're right the choice is dependent on my decision grid. I have looked at the financial situation, and although Vanderbilt is obviously not as nice as UT in that regard, I'm also looking at the life I will living for the next 4 years---my mid 20s. No regrets, no problem.
 
Like I pointed out in my update post and Law2Doc highlighted(it was info I didn't know when I started the thread), UT will require me to be in the top third of my class. Vanderbilt is P/F for year 1, and H/P/F for year 2. Although prestige is part of it, I'm also willing to pay for a supportive, friendly, lower stress environment that Vanderbilt provides. Talking to UT students, M1 and M2 (esp. M2) sounds very malignant.

What if I falter and don't do as well? I did well on the MCAT but that doesn't mean I'm going to ace anatomy. Then I'd really be screwed.

As a current UT student, I feel like there would be no problem maintaining a position in the top 1/3 of the class. I know all the full-ride kids in my class, and they are all easily maintaining their position at the top. Ask tough questions: how many of these scholarships have been revoked in the last 10 years (my guess is very, very few).

If it required the top 10-15%%, it might be worth reconsidering, but from my personal experience at the school in question, hard work is rewarded here. The people in the bottom half of our class *typically* are either 1) not as hard-working or 2) questionable admissions, of which you are neither.

It sounds like you are trying hard to justify turning down the $$ that UT has offered you, in which case you probably shouldn't come here. Money does not equal happiness, and only you know what will make you happy.

That being said, remember that the #1 stress for recently graduated MDs is loan repayment. Don't listen to pre-meds, advisors, or even med students on this one. Talk to practicing rad-onc docs. I took some great advice from a mentor of mine (who is a faculty member at Vanderbilt, ironically) who is a surgical oncologist (did his residency at UTSW and his fellowship at MD Anderson after graduating from UT). His advice: go with the money.

As far as "pre-clinical malignancy,"... I think this is a borderline humorous statement. IMHO, the faculty here do their best to be supportive and foster a non-competitive environment (ABCDF systems are inherently less competitve than H-HP-P-F systems because they don't have a preset number of students who get As... If you get the grade, you get the grade). Grading systems are inherently more stressful than pure P/F systems, but are less competetive than H/P/F systems because everyone is going to be gunning for those "honors," which typically only go to the top 10% (i.e. you could get a 90-something and not be in the top 10%). For example, the class of 2010 had 60-some students (out of 150) get A's in anatomy this year (2x the norm).

Students here are generally not competitive. We share study guides, tutors, and generally help each other. Yes, med school is alot of work (and can be stressful), but if you don't put in the work you probably won't do well on Step 1 and will be questionable when you get to the clinical years.

If you have any more specific Q's, feel free to PM me.

EDIT: I'm pretty sure that even though Vandy is "pass-fail" the first year, you are still ranked... which goes on the deans letter on your amcas application.
 
As far as "pre-clinical malignancy,"... I think this is a borderline humorous statement. [\QUOTE]

that came from another student, I guess he felt differently from you.

thanks for your input!
 
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