What to do with a possibly unjustified F

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Please help me figure out what to do with my F.

I took 3 pre-med science lecture classes, 1 Math class, and a science lab this semester.
Here are the grades:

Lecture class 1: A
Lecture class 2: B
Lecture class 3: F!!!
Lab: B
Math: C

I know... bad 🙁

The concern is the F.

My school is telling me that the only ways to take care of the F would be:

1. Resign and get Ws for all the classes (still possible even after the grades are given.)

2. Grade appeal (as I believe this F was resulted from the conflicts between the instructor and I - she did not let me make up missed tests although I had medical excuses)

I would do grade appeal if they can process it quick; but actually it doesn't get reviewed until Fall.... 🙁 And I have no idea what my chances are of winning (?).

What would you do?
 
Please help me figure out what to do with my F.

I took 3 pre-med science lecture classes, 1 Math class, and a science lab this semester.
Here are the grades:

Lecture class 1: A
Lecture class 2: B
Lecture class 3: F!!!
Lab: B
Math: C

I know... bad 🙁

The concern is the F.

My school is telling me that the only ways to take care of the F would be:

1. Resign and get Ws for all the classes (still possible even after the grades are given.)

2. Grade appeal (as I believe this F was resulted from the conflicts between the instructor and I - she did not let me make up missed tests although I had medical excuses)

I would do grade appeal if they can process it quick; but actually it doesn't get reviewed until Fall.... 🙁 And I have no idea what my chances are of winning (?).

What would you do?


If you had a medical excuse and went to the health center then your teacher has to have some way for you to work around it. If the professor didn't allow retakes, they have to drop it and weigh another test to a larger portion, or some way. I'm sure if you get the Dean into this case, your professor will have to do something. 😉



If you didn't go to the health center and don't have an official excuse but rather just stayed in your dorm because you were "too sick to move", then you probably don't have any good excuse.

IF that's the case, I would retake the F.
 
If you had a medical excuse and went to the health center then your teacher has to have some way for you to work around it. If the professor didn't allow retakes, they have to drop it and weigh another test to a larger portion, or some way. I'm sure if you get the Dean into this case, your professor will have to do something. 😉



If you didn't go to the health center and don't have an official excuse but rather just stayed in your dorm because you were "too sick to move", then you probably don't have any good excuse.

IF that's the case, I would retake the F.

Yeah, go to the dean.👍
 
I would be weary of appealing unless you have clear, convincing evidence that the professor screwed you over. Accusing a professor of unfair treatment is a pretty easy way to burn some bridges and develop a reputation. Don't do it unless there's no chance your appeal will be denied.
 
Thank you everyone...
No, I don't know if the appeal would be successful. I don't know what to do 🙁
The dean says he can't do anything.
 
Thank you everyone...
No, I don't know if the appeal would be successful. I don't know what to do 🙁
The dean says he can't do anything.

Then you weren't properly medically excused. You NEED to get some form of formal excuse for your medical conditions.

In the future, do not just lay in bed when you feel sick. Go to your school's health center or some equivalent and get an official medical excuse.
 
If you had a medical excuse and went to the health center then your teacher has to have some way for you to work around it. If the professor didn't allow retakes, they have to drop it and weigh another test to a larger portion, or some way. I'm sure if you get the Dean into this case, your professor will have to do something. 😉



If you didn't go to the health center and don't have an official excuse but rather just stayed in your dorm because you were "too sick to move", then you probably don't have any good excuse.

IF that's the case, I would retake the F.

Not necessarily. Some schools/teachers make it very clear in the syllabus that they allow X number of retakes and X number of absences for whatever reason. In other words, if you are legitimately sick for 3 exams, but they only allow 1 retake, you are screwed.

There's nothing wrong with that policy so long as it is clearly outlined in the syllabus or student handbook.

Teachers do not need to help you work around illness.

If there were problems with retaking exams, the OP should have been prudent enough to withdraw rather than fail.
 
Not necessarily. Some schools/teachers make it very clear in the syllabus that they allow X number of retakes and X number of absences for whatever reason. In other words, if you are legitimately sick for 3 exams, but they only allow 1 retake, you are screwed.

There's nothing wrong with that policy so long as it is clearly outlined in the syllabus or student handbook.

Teachers do not need to help you work around illness.

If there were problems with retaking exams, the OP should have been prudent enough to withdraw rather than fail.

It's true many professors do not give retakes, but they need to provide something to assist people who are incredibly sick. Do you think the professor wants the student to show up with an infectious disease and take the test, risking infecting other students and maybe the professor him/herself (he has to grade the paper).

If retakes are not given, the professor usually makes another test (the final?) a larger portion of the grade. If no tests have been taken and OP has been sick for all of them, THEN there is nothing left to do.


But anyways, I'm basing my post off of what OP has stated. OP says this was an "unjustified F" and that s/he wasn't given a chance for a retake (because of personal conflicts), which assumes the professor's condition wasn't a "I don't give retakes period" but rather a "I don't feel obligated to give you one".

IF OP had an official medical excuse and this was just a one time sickness, then the Dean should be able to do something about it. If OP had been sick for just about all the test days, leaving nothing to be graded on, then yes, there isn't anything to be done.

If OP merely stayed in bed and didn't get an official medical excuse, then there isn't anything to be done either.
 
I am confused. You were too sick to go to multiple exams in "Lecture class 3", but you were able to attend the exams for all the other classes?

What is your proof of being too sick? Do you literally have something in writing from a physician stating that you were too ill on those days to sit for exams?

I am having trouble with the idea that multiple very short lived illnesses could so devastatingly strike you down during the semester that you could not sit an exam, but only during the times for that class's exams. It just doesn't seem very likely.

You will definitely need to address those things in an appeal.
 
Please help me figure out what to do with my F.

I took 3 pre-med science lecture classes, 1 Math class, and a science lab this semester.
Here are the grades:

Lecture class 1: A
Lecture class 2: B
Lecture class 3: F!!!
Lab: B
Math: C

I know... bad 🙁

The concern is the F.

My school is telling me that the only ways to take care of the F would be:

1. Resign and get Ws for all the classes (still possible even after the grades are given.)

2. Grade appeal (as I believe this F was resulted from the conflicts between the instructor and I - she did not let me make up missed tests although I had medical excuses)

I would do grade appeal if they can process it quick; but actually it doesn't get reviewed until Fall.... 🙁 And I have no idea what my chances are of winning (?).

What would you do?

A few questions here....

What's your major goal? If you would be happy keeping your other grades, go with the grade appeal. Note: your university will have an office of student disability services. Get in touch with them now. Make friends with them. They will be your best advocate in this situation. A lot of times professors will get the idea that their syllabus, preferences, etc. trump federal laws requiring that your receive reasonable accommodations. The disability office has lots of experience dealing with these clowns, and will help you work through this.

Find out if you can try to have the grade replaced and switch tactics to having all Ws on your transcript if that fails.

Keep in mind that trying to force the 'F' instructor to change your grade may not work out in your favor. Even if you challenge the grade, there's the issue of what grade you "should" have earned. You also risk ruffling the feathers of everyone in the department should the professor be a jerk about it.

If it were me, I'd take the Ws and repeat the classes. Bonus: there's a strong possibility you can get pre-req credit with what you already have, and simply repeat the classes at your convenience. Since you've already taken them once and have a good idea of what is going on, it won't be a big deal to add one or two onto each semester, as they *shouldn't* take gobs of time (ie, study/prep time) on the repeat.
 
Not necessarily. Some schools/teachers make it very clear in the syllabus that they allow X number of retakes and X number of absences for whatever reason. In other words, if you are legitimately sick for 3 exams, but they only allow 1 retake, you are screwed.

There's nothing wrong with that policy so long as it is clearly outlined in the syllabus or student handbook.

Teachers do not need to help you work around illness.

If there were problems with retaking exams, the OP should have been prudent enough to withdraw rather than fail.

Sorry, but I'm calling bull**** on this one.

Illness that causes "excessive" absences that can be verified via doctors documentation and recommendation for modifications must be viewed as temporary disabilities and accommodated as a matter of law. Them's the rules. An instructor's syllabus does not supercede federal law on the subject.

This is a serious pet peeve of mine. I had a baby in the fall of 2011. I'd happily have taken the semester off, but my scholarship wouldn't allow it. I intentionally worked everything out with professors in advance, making sure that everything was settled and I'd have no problems. Of course, one decided to be a jerk about it, and docked my attendance points while I was out having the baby.

This, of course, was blatantly illegal. The student disability services office got involved, and everything was made right as rain. The bottom line: in the event of disability (temporary or otherwise), reasonable accommodations must be made. You MUST be given an opportunity to complete all work missed when you can document a temporary disability (it sounds like you can), or given comparable assignments. You MUST be allowed to earn EVERY point available to other students. You CANNOT be penalized for having a temporary disability.
 
Not necessarily. Some schools/teachers make it very clear in the syllabus that they allow X number of retakes and X number of absences for whatever reason. In other words, if you are legitimately sick for 3 exams, but they only allow 1 retake, you are screwed.

There's nothing wrong with that policy so long as it is clearly outlined in the syllabus or student handbook.

Teachers do not need to help you work around illness.

If there were problems with retaking exams, the OP should have been prudent enough to withdraw rather than fail.

Legally (at least in my state) if the student has a medical reason (illness, etc) that is documented by a doctor, the professor MUST provide options for the OP. given that the OP said even the dean was not able to do anything about it, the OP most likely didn't have the proper documentation. The professor may act all big and puff themselves up to scare anyone from fighting it, but in the end they are required to.

OP if I were you and already tried talking to the dean and nothing could be done, I would keep my mouth shut to avoid burning bridges and just retake the class. Unfortunately this stuff just happens sometimes and hopefully you learned something from it..
 
The most important thing you can do is honestly assess if you deserved the F or not. If you did then take responsibility and move foword, own your mistake and learn from it.
 
Legally (at least in my state) if the student has a medical reason (illness, etc) that is documented by a doctor, the professor MUST provide options for the OP. given that the OP said even the dean was not able to do anything about it, the OP most likely didn't have the proper documentation. The professor may act all big and puff themselves up to scare anyone from fighting it, but in the end they are required to.

OP if I were you and already tried talking to the dean and nothing could be done, I would keep my mouth shut to avoid burning bridges and just retake the class. Unfortunately this stuff just happens sometimes and hopefully you learned something from it..

Completely agree, with the caveat that the dean isn't always (or even often) in the know on these issues. Deans can be just as clueless as professors. :laugh:
 
I don't know if I would try appealing the grade becuase chances are, you would lose.
I honestly don't know what the right thing to do would be since resigning would entail losing credit for all te work you did for your other classes but in any case, avoid appealing because it would only create more conflict not just between you and the professor but possibly the science department. In my school, grade appeal involves a faculty vote and while it may be a bit different in your school, it may not be worth going through all the trouble for one grade...unless, you really truly feel that you can justify your position.
Just my 2 cents 🙂
 
Sorry, but I'm calling bull**** on this one.

Illness that causes "excessive" absences that can be verified via doctors documentation and recommendation for modifications must be viewed as temporary disabilities and accommodated as a matter of law. Them's the rules. An instructor's syllabus does not supercede federal law on the subject.

This is a serious pet peeve of mine. I had a baby in the fall of 2011. I'd happily have taken the semester off, but my scholarship wouldn't allow it. I intentionally worked everything out with professors in advance, making sure that everything was settled and I'd have no problems. Of course, one decided to be a jerk about it, and docked my attendance points while I was out having the baby.

This, of course, was blatantly illegal. The student disability services office got involved, and everything was made right as rain. The bottom line: in the event of disability (temporary or otherwise), reasonable accommodations must be made. You MUST be given an opportunity to complete all work missed when you can document a temporary disability (it sounds like you can), or given comparable assignments. You MUST be allowed to earn EVERY point available to other students. You CANNOT be penalized for having a temporary disability.

I didn't know illness counted as disability, but ok. Even if everything you are saying is true, what does the law have to say about claiming disability after the fact? If the OP was indeed ill and "disabled" they should have addressed it with the teacher or dean during the semseter, not many weeks/months later.

It's great that you knew ahead of time and handled it appropriately, but if a student fails a class then shows up weeks later at the dean's office claiming that they were ill or whatever, it just doesn't seem right.

So often on SDN people are trying to get out of things that are a result of their own mistakes or shortcomings. For people who want to be doctors, very few take responsibility for their actions.

The syllabus almost always has something about attendance and attendance points. If you get sick at some point in the semester, it is your responsibility to handle it with the professor/dean or simply withdraw from the class. If all the information is made available to you (about illness and missed tests/class) and you choose not to speak up when you get sick, that is your fault.

This happened to me because I thought I could just write all the papers and show up for exams not realizing attendance was mandatory (this was my first semester of college). Did I go back at the end of the semester to cry to the dean that I didn't attend class or say anything about being sick because I didn't know better? Of course not. I took my "AF" and retook the class because it was my fault.
 
I didn't know illness counted as disability, but ok. Even if everything you are saying is true, what does the law have to say about claiming disability after the fact? If the OP was indeed ill and "disabled" they should have addressed it with the teacher or dean during the semseter, not many weeks/months later.

It's great that you knew ahead of time and handled it appropriately, but if a student fails a class then shows up weeks later at the dean's office claiming that they were ill or whatever, it just doesn't seem right.

So often on SDN people are trying to get out of things that are a result of their own mistakes or shortcomings. For people who want to be doctors, very few take responsibility for their actions.

The syllabus almost always has something about attendance and attendance points. If you get sick at some point in the semester, it is your responsibility to handle it with the professor/dean or simply withdraw from the class. If all the information is made available to you (about illness and missed tests/class) and you choose not to speak up when you get sick, that is your fault.

This happened to me because I thought I could just write all the papers and show up for exams not realizing attendance was mandatory (this was my first semester of college). Did I go back at the end of the semester to cry to the dean that I didn't attend class or say anything about being sick because I didn't know better? Of course not. I took my "AF" and retook the class because it was my fault.

On the issue of illness and temporary disability, an illness becomes a temporary disability once it causes you to miss enough class that it begins to affect your grade. The vast majority of professors have "hold harmless" provisions that account for missing a day here and there for the common cold, flu, sinus infection, etc. You have to miss a threshold number of classes before they start docking attendance points, a pop quiz/in-class assignment gets dropped, etc. so that you aren't hosed if you're sick/absent for one of these assignments. I don't know what the precise threshold is in academia, but a reasonable guideline is two weeks. If the illness is severe enough that you will miss at least 2 weeks of class (or anywhere approaching that), I'd get the disability office involved.

I can't imagine it would be a big issue to claim the temporary disability after the fact, though it's undoubtedly easier to do it upfront. Students get ill all the time, and a lot of times they don't know that there are resources available to help them until waaaay after the fact. Like the OP, they may think that they are stuck with whatever the professor thinks is reasonable. At the same time, someone stuck dealing with an unexpected illness--especially one serious enough to cause extended absences from class--isn't really in a position to fight with a professor. Getting well takes precedence over arguing with a difficult professor, by necessity. A great example of such a situation is walking pneumonia. You get sick, miss a few days (maybe a week), get a little better, get sick again, get worse, and then get diagnosed after 2+ weeks of illness. After the diagnosis, you've probably got a few more days before you can realistically expect someone to get back in the saddle. In the beginning, the student thinks it's no big deal. In the end, the student may miss 2 weeks (low end) to 4 weeks (high end) of class.

The other benefit of going through the disability office is that they handle the medical documentation, doctor communication, etc. This way, only that one office has access to sensitive medical information. It prevents needlessly embarrassing the student needing assistance, and eliminates professors unfairly deciding what does and does not "count" as sick enough in their view.

All of that said, I have no idea what the OP's illness was, how long s/he was absent, and what the doctors dictated regarding lecture attendance. All of those things together would influence what the student disability office would suggest.

At the end of the day, I hope this knowledge will empower other SDNers should they find themselves in similar circumstances. When you're ill enough to cause you to miss enough class that it affects your grade, you're not stuck accepting whatever the professor dictates as a solution. You cannot be penalized for being so sick that you cannot come to class over an extended period of time.

To the OP (and anyone else), think about what "fair resolution" of this situation means for you. Do you want to be able to complete missed work (ie, exams)? Do you need alternative assignments in order to earn points that were available to other students, but which you can't really make up (ie, in class assignments, pop quizzes, etc.)? Be prepared with suggestions of creative ways to earn points that cannot be made up (presentation, paper, project, etc.). Would you be willing to accept an incomplete for the time being while all of this gets worked out?

Interface with your doctor as well. Don't hesitate to request additional clarification if it's needed. For me, it turned out to be a great experience. The doctors asked what I wanted them to request from the school, and the school gave me anything I wanted. It helped that I obviously wanted to be there, and that I wasn't asking for the sun, moon, and stars. 😉
 
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