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Haha. I think the hospital spokesperson is “mischaracterizing” Somnia.

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Haha. I think the hospital spokesperson is “mischaracterizing” Somnia.
Lol what is wrong with this? ;)

"Effective February 9, we moved to a new partner. Somnia is a nationally renowned, independently owned and physician-led anesthesia group and the first anesthesia-only company to be named a patient safety organization by the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality. Somnia has a proven track record of growing strong anesthesia programs and robust pipelines in regions across the country, including building residency programs."
 
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This will not end well for anyone for a long time. Well, except for locums docs making bank.
 
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This was posted on a local news story by an ex-partner's wife. What a mess.

"It is preposterous that Methodist LeBonhuer Healthcare has allowed this to happen. Medical Anesthesia Group is one of the premier, top tier privately owned anesthesia groups in the country. Anyone who has ever worked for them, with them, or known them will attest to that fact. My spouse, Dr. Robert ‘Andy’ Crone, mentioned in this article, did leave MAG in October after 31 years, however, his reason for why he left was omitted. Here is his original quote that was cut:

“I lost confidence in the leadership of Methodist LeBonheur Healthcare after 31 years. I just didn't see a future where the hospital was going to work positively with MAG to continue to be partners. It didn’t seem like they had any interest in continuing the relationship with a group that had been there for 51 years.”

We are both native Memphians. Both of our families are in Memphis, Andy went to medical school in Memphis, he did his internship at Methodist Hospital and came back right after residency at Vanderbilt University Hospital because he knew he wanted to be a part of Medical Anesthesia Group after working with them during his internship. We raised 4 children in Memphis. We were active in the Memphis community, especially in the amazing special needs community this city has supported, we lived Downtown prior to moving (an area most of our friends will not even frequent anymore) and we were outspoken downtown advocates despite the crime and were active members of an inner-city downtown church. The very last thing we ever expected to happen, especially at our ages prior to retirement, was for Methodist to not come to an amicable agreement with MAG after having just gone through this with LeBonheur.

After negotiations with Methodist and LeBonheur failed in this same manner in 2021 and LeBonheur lost their top tier pediatric anesthesia provider group, Pediatric Anesthesia, PA, we had full confidence that Methodist would not repeat this same mistake and would not dare let negotiations fail with MAG. We were shocked and dismayed at the lack of leadership and loyalty the hospital displayed to a group of approximately 110 of the most dedicated, devoted, hardworking physicians and nurse anesthetists in the country when it became apparent that negotiations were stalled early last summer. (Discussions started after the closures of the hospitals and cutbacks of surgeries during COVID in addition to MLH losing the BCBS contract).

Medical Anesthesia Group had always ensured that all Methodist hospitals had anesthesia coverage for any surgical request, despite the cost to their group or to the individual physicians and nurse anesthetists (CRNAs). That might mean calling in extra physicians to work beyond their scheduled hours and paying physicians who were already inhouse to work overtime (that was not reimbursed by the hospital), having physicians work an unprecedented number of hours to cover all the surgical cases scheduled, and/or having nurse anesthetists work overtime. They did whatever it took in the best interest of patient care regardless of the cost to their personal lives or salaries and all without adequate additional compensation or recognition for these services from MLH.

This effort combined with the aftereffects of the hospitals being shut down during COVID, inefficiencies within the hospital, changes to payor mix and multiple other factors, made the financial loss impossible for MAG to continue to absorb. As salaries continued to drop and crime continued to rise in Memphis it became near to impossible to recruit new members to the group.

It became apparent to MAG that something had to be done in a partnership with the hospital to update their contractual agreements to better compensate the services they were providing. The existing contract Methodist and MAG had been trying to negotiate included portions that had not been updated since 2007 yet MAG continued to stretch horizontally to meet the demands of the hospitals, the surgeons, and the growing transplant program because that is who MAG was and what they did. They were consistently staffing many more OR rooms than were in their existing contract. Promises were made by Methodist LeBonheur Healthcare to new surgeons they were recruiting to MLH with total disregard to anesthesia staffing or even their own hospital OR staffing. (Surgeons MAY be employed by and paid by the hospital whereas anesthesiologists may not be employed by the hospital and do their own billing. Anesthesia is only paid for cases actually performed; therefore the decrease in their salaries during COVID when hospitals were shut down and very few surgeries were being performed).

As one MAG partner told Michael Ugwueke during one of the recent “town hall meetings” MLH administration was holding at each of the 5 hospitals with hospital employees, physicians, and staff “MAG has actually subsidized Methodist for years Michael, not the other way around. We have been increasingly stretched horizontally as far as we could to cover all anesthesia services at all 5 hospitals, all at a great cost to our partners and our group. It’s a shame that you have failed to realize that and recognize the level of care we have provided.”

Although MAG providers were stretched as thin as they could be stretched, they still were providing full anesthesia coverage. It was not until early summer when it became apparent that negotiations with MLH had stalled and were probably not going to progress that anything changed within the group and its coverage. Only then did MAG partners start making the impossible decision to stay or leave. At that point MAG had to make the difficult decision to cut their losses at money losing hospitals and cover what they were obligated to cover and not continue to extend themselves beyond the realms of what was physically or financially feasible to the group or in the best interest of patient care.

Prior to this, surgical cases did not go uncovered. MAG MDs had too much integrity to let decreases in their salaries, extensive working hours, or non-supportive hospital administration get in the way of optimal patient care beforehand. There was no “persistent challenge” to cover full anesthesia services prior to this. When MLH had to begin bringing in locums tenens and Somnia as MAG stopped offering free services, together, the hospital and Somnia were unable to fully staff the uncovered services that MAG had always been able to do.

In September, 2021, when Wayne Lipson, MD (a cardiovascular surgeon), was hired from Kentucky and named the new Senior Vice President and Chief Medical Officer for the hospital system, MAG initially felt they had a physician advocate who understood the importance of having a top tier anesthesia provider in the hospital and who understood the importance of continuing the relationships MAG had developed over the past 51 years, not only with the surgeons, but the OR staff, recovery room staff, and hospital staff in general. Unfortunately, this did not prove to be the case. Not only did he prove them wrong but he was a facilitator in recruiting Somnia to Memphis which has been mentioned in previous comments. Gone are the days of upper-level hospital administrators growing up within the system and understanding the importance of these years long relationships.

And these relationships do, absolutely, positively directly affect patient care outcomes and experiences. Pairing of anesthesiologists and nurse anesthetists with scheduled surgeries was a work of art for MAG and something they took great pride in doing correctly. They understood the nuances of the surgeons they had worked with for years; they understood their preferences and what surgeon preferred what type of anesthesia provider. Assignment for the day’s work and caseload was not taken lightly. It could take hours for the assigned partner to arrange the MAG case schedule and make assignments for MDs and nurse anestetists the night before to ensure that surgical cases were covered appropriately, and everyone was assigned correctly, prioritizing patient care; all of this before surgery even began. Then the ability to move providers around all over the city in the most efficient way possible from hospital to hospital, after the day's surgeries had begun to optimize OR time, was another feat in and of itself that they orchestrated with precision.

This was all done in the best interest of PATIENT CARE, regardless of the hours it took or the personnel that was required to do this to ensure that things ran as smoothly as possible for the patient. These preferences were paired for each surgical case in a way that takes years to understand. No outsider or corporate entity bringing providers in from out of town or even other providers coming in as locums from other local hospitals for a few days here, and a few days there for the exorbitant pay they are being offered, would have the insider knowledge that the MAG doctors have to orchestrate a system like this covering 5 hospitals a day, cath labs, GI lab, OP surgery centers, transplants, etc.

This was a system that MAG had perfected, and every surgical patient and surgeon benefited from it. These relationships have been being built and finessed over the past 51 year partnership between MAG and MLH. A corporate, non-locally owned entity cannot come in at midnight on a random February evening they selected and repeat this scenario in any shape or form for many years to come, if even then.

MLH has gone from a premier top tier anesthesia provider to a corporate, out town, some say third tier (at best) anesthesia provider. We have warned family and friends to run if scheduled for surgery at MLH, a hospital my husband devoted his entire career to, because there is no way to know if the new anesthesia provider will show up or who they will be, what the supervisory status will be (the ratio of pairing MDs with CRNAs) or much less what their credentials are.

The credentialing process required for all new anesthesia providers has been expedited to a point that it would be unacceptable elsewhere. What typically takes 2-3 months to gain credentialing at a facility is now being fast tracked as quickly as possible to onboard locums tenens providers and Somnia contract providers as quickly as possible. There are also non-pediatric trained anesthesiologists and CRNAs covering at LeBonheur CHILDREN'S Hospital, which has been disallowed in the past by their own administration. Memphis beware.

Despite what is being said to local media by MLH leadership, full anesthesia coverage is not being provided at any Methodist Hospital to date and things are not running smoothly. MAG may longer be providing services to MLH hospitals, but because of the lasting relationships they have made with hospital and nursing staff, they know exactly what is happening in their absence and it is disheartening to all. This are not mischaracterization of the facts or misinformation.

To add insult to injury, the narrative being spun by Michael Ugwueke to at least one large surgery group in town during a recent meeting, is that MAG doctors were greedy and lazy; that coming from a leader who makes $2.7M dollar per year. As said in a previous comment, MLH can spin the narrative however they want to spin it, however, it would be difficult to find another individual in this city including MAG employees and CRNAs, OR staff, surgeons, transplant teams, recovery room staff, nurses, other physicians or friends and family who would call any member of the MAG anesthesia team lazy. It would be ludicrous to insinuate that working 21 days straight with no day off 3 times in a row in 3 months was lazy. And this same situation on repeat times all 40 MDs and 70 CRNAs. It would be interesting to see how these hours compare to the hours of MHL leadership whose outrageous salaries have been listed already in these comments.

And greedy does not apply to MAG but maybe it could apply to hospital leadership. Although MAG physician salaries were cut significantly after COVID and have continued to drop, the MDs refused to cut, or decrease, the salaries of their office staff or devoted nurse anestetists during or after COVID. They haven taken the cut themselves to continue to provide full pay for their employees. Unlike MLH who was asking for MLH nurses to return COVID bonuses.

This has been a tremendous loss both from a personal standpoint for the partners and nurse anesthetist of MAG and their families involved and for the city of Memphis. Memphis has now lost 18 upstanding, tax paying, community leading, loyal citizens who will never be back. And more will follow. Every member of the Methodist Board of Directors and Methodist Foundation Board, friends of the chief or not, should be ashamed that they have allowed this to happen.

It has been estimated that MLH will be paying between $12 and $20M dollars per quarter for contracted outside anesthesia coverage using locums tenens and contract workers through Somnia Anesthesia for all of their hospitals. And the leadership at MLH sees this as acceptable and a better option than continuing the services of Medical Anesthesia Group after 51 years or of Pediatric Anesthesiologist PA at LeBonheur. MAG had asked for a stipend that was less than half of that amount per year to help make up for the losses they have sustained and for the services they have continued to provide.

It is apparent to all involved that funding for a stipend or subsidy to pay existing, premier, top tier anesthesia groups versus funding for contract labor must come from two different sources on the Methodist balance sheet. A shell game has obviously been played with this entire funding process; a game in which there will be no winners except for power hungry hospital administrators seeking control. MAG was not asking for a stipend that would raise their salaries to even the 100th percentile of anesthesiologists’ salaries in the country; they were asking for a stipend amount that would raise them back to the 70th percentile of anesthesia salaries, which was still going to make it difficult for recruitment compared to other groups in the Southeast. As stated already, recruiting any young physician to Memphis is difficult at best even if salaries were in the top 100% percentile in the nation. Anything below that makes it near to impossible to recruit qualified talent.

MAG was our family for 31 years and will always be, but it is damn refreshing to have a spouse working a typical 40 hour week, as opposed to 80+ hours week after week, being on call 12 hours at a time, as opposed to 72 hours at a time multiple weekends in a row, and all because of his integrity and loyalty not only to MAG but to Methodist Hospitals. And all 40 partners and 70 nurse anesthetists did the same.

At University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences (UAMS) where is now on faculty, he is supported by an incredibly intelligent, informed, and engaged hospital administration that appreciates and listens to their physician faculty members. He is no longer considered a disposable commodity to the hospital. UAMS is doing it right. With 3 additional MAG partners already there, and more possibly coming, and at least one long time MAG CRNA coming soon, Little Rock is getting the best that healthcare can provide. Any other hospital that has been fortunate enough to gain MAG MDs or CRNAs are getting the best as well.

To quote a devoted, exceptional labor and delivery nurse with 35 years in the Methodist system, “Methodist Healthcare has hit the iceberg.” It is, indeed, a travesty to watch this sinking ship."
 
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And let’s see how much the Methodist hospital is paying the AMC. One of the worst AMCs somonia healthcare.

I guarantee u. The amc is getting all the locums cost paid 100% by the hospital and it will cost the hospital system even more.
 
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This was posted on a local news story by an ex-partner's wife. What a mess.

"It is preposterous that Methodist LeBonhuer Healthcare has allowed this to happen. Medical Anesthesia Group is one of the premier, top tier privately owned anesthesia groups in the country. Anyone who has ever worked for them, with them, or known them will attest to that fact. My spouse, Dr. Robert ‘Andy’ Crone, mentioned in this article, did leave MAG in October after 31 years, however, his reason for why he left was omitted. Here is his original quote that was cut:

“I lost confidence in the leadership of Methodist LeBonheur Healthcare after 31 years. I just didn't see a future where the hospital was going to work positively with MAG to continue to be partners. It didn’t seem like they had any interest in continuing the relationship with a group that had been there for 51 years.”

We are both native Memphians. Both of our families are in Memphis, Andy went to medical school in Memphis, he did his internship at Methodist Hospital and came back right after residency at Vanderbilt University Hospital because he knew he wanted to be a part of Medical Anesthesia Group after working with them during his internship. We raised 4 children in Memphis. We were active in the Memphis community, especially in the amazing special needs community this city has supported, we lived Downtown prior to moving (an area most of our friends will not even frequent anymore) and we were outspoken downtown advocates despite the crime and were active members of an inner-city downtown church. The very last thing we ever expected to happen, especially at our ages prior to retirement, was for Methodist to not come to an amicable agreement with MAG after having just gone through this with LeBonheur.

After negotiations with Methodist and LeBonheur failed in this same manner in 2021 and LeBonheur lost their top tier pediatric anesthesia provider group, Pediatric Anesthesia, PA, we had full confidence that Methodist would not repeat this same mistake and would not dare let negotiations fail with MAG. We were shocked and dismayed at the lack of leadership and loyalty the hospital displayed to a group of approximately 110 of the most dedicated, devoted, hardworking physicians and nurse anesthetists in the country when it became apparent that negotiations were stalled early last summer. (Discussions started after the closures of the hospitals and cutbacks of surgeries during COVID in addition to MLH losing the BCBS contract).

Medical Anesthesia Group had always ensured that all Methodist hospitals had anesthesia coverage for any surgical request, despite the cost to their group or to the individual physicians and nurse anesthetists (CRNAs). That might mean calling in extra physicians to work beyond their scheduled hours and paying physicians who were already inhouse to work overtime (that was not reimbursed by the hospital), having physicians work an unprecedented number of hours to cover all the surgical cases scheduled, and/or having nurse anesthetists work overtime. They did whatever it took in the best interest of patient care regardless of the cost to their personal lives or salaries and all without adequate additional compensation or recognition for these services from MLH.

This effort combined with the aftereffects of the hospitals being shut down during COVID, inefficiencies within the hospital, changes to payor mix and multiple other factors, made the financial loss impossible for MAG to continue to absorb. As salaries continued to drop and crime continued to rise in Memphis it became near to impossible to recruit new members to the group.

It became apparent to MAG that something had to be done in a partnership with the hospital to update their contractual agreements to better compensate the services they were providing. The existing contract Methodist and MAG had been trying to negotiate included portions that had not been updated since 2007 yet MAG continued to stretch horizontally to meet the demands of the hospitals, the surgeons, and the growing transplant program because that is who MAG was and what they did. They were consistently staffing many more OR rooms than were in their existing contract. Promises were made by Methodist LeBonheur Healthcare to new surgeons they were recruiting to MLH with total disregard to anesthesia staffing or even their own hospital OR staffing. (Surgeons MAY be employed by and paid by the hospital whereas anesthesiologists may not be employed by the hospital and do their own billing. Anesthesia is only paid for cases actually performed; therefore the decrease in their salaries during COVID when hospitals were shut down and very few surgeries were being performed).

As one MAG partner told Michael Ugwueke during one of the recent “town hall meetings” MLH administration was holding at each of the 5 hospitals with hospital employees, physicians, and staff “MAG has actually subsidized Methodist for years Michael, not the other way around. We have been increasingly stretched horizontally as far as we could to cover all anesthesia services at all 5 hospitals, all at a great cost to our partners and our group. It’s a shame that you have failed to realize that and recognize the level of care we have provided.”

Although MAG providers were stretched as thin as they could be stretched, they still were providing full anesthesia coverage. It was not until early summer when it became apparent that negotiations with MLH had stalled and were probably not going to progress that anything changed within the group and its coverage. Only then did MAG partners start making the impossible decision to stay or leave. At that point MAG had to make the difficult decision to cut their losses at money losing hospitals and cover what they were obligated to cover and not continue to extend themselves beyond the realms of what was physically or financially feasible to the group or in the best interest of patient care.

Prior to this, surgical cases did not go uncovered. MAG MDs had too much integrity to let decreases in their salaries, extensive working hours, or non-supportive hospital administration get in the way of optimal patient care beforehand. There was no “persistent challenge” to cover full anesthesia services prior to this. When MLH had to begin bringing in locums tenens and Somnia as MAG stopped offering free services, together, the hospital and Somnia were unable to fully staff the uncovered services that MAG had always been able to do.

In September, 2021, when Wayne Lipson, MD (a cardiovascular surgeon), was hired from Kentucky and named the new Senior Vice President and Chief Medical Officer for the hospital system, MAG initially felt they had a physician advocate who understood the importance of having a top tier anesthesia provider in the hospital and who understood the importance of continuing the relationships MAG had developed over the past 51 years, not only with the surgeons, but the OR staff, recovery room staff, and hospital staff in general. Unfortunately, this did not prove to be the case. Not only did he prove them wrong but he was a facilitator in recruiting Somnia to Memphis which has been mentioned in previous comments. Gone are the days of upper-level hospital administrators growing up within the system and understanding the importance of these years long relationships.

And these relationships do, absolutely, positively directly affect patient care outcomes and experiences. Pairing of anesthesiologists and nurse anesthetists with scheduled surgeries was a work of art for MAG and something they took great pride in doing correctly. They understood the nuances of the surgeons they had worked with for years; they understood their preferences and what surgeon preferred what type of anesthesia provider. Assignment for the day’s work and caseload was not taken lightly. It could take hours for the assigned partner to arrange the MAG case schedule and make assignments for MDs and nurse anestetists the night before to ensure that surgical cases were covered appropriately, and everyone was assigned correctly, prioritizing patient care; all of this before surgery even began. Then the ability to move providers around all over the city in the most efficient way possible from hospital to hospital, after the day's surgeries had begun to optimize OR time, was another feat in and of itself that they orchestrated with precision.

This was all done in the best interest of PATIENT CARE, regardless of the hours it took or the personnel that was required to do this to ensure that things ran as smoothly as possible for the patient. These preferences were paired for each surgical case in a way that takes years to understand. No outsider or corporate entity bringing providers in from out of town or even other providers coming in as locums from other local hospitals for a few days here, and a few days there for the exorbitant pay they are being offered, would have the insider knowledge that the MAG doctors have to orchestrate a system like this covering 5 hospitals a day, cath labs, GI lab, OP surgery centers, transplants, etc.

This was a system that MAG had perfected, and every surgical patient and surgeon benefited from it. These relationships have been being built and finessed over the past 51 year partnership between MAG and MLH. A corporate, non-locally owned entity cannot come in at midnight on a random February evening they selected and repeat this scenario in any shape or form for many years to come, if even then.

MLH has gone from a premier top tier anesthesia provider to a corporate, out town, some say third tier (at best) anesthesia provider. We have warned family and friends to run if scheduled for surgery at MLH, a hospital my husband devoted his entire career to, because there is no way to know if the new anesthesia provider will show up or who they will be, what the supervisory status will be (the ratio of pairing MDs with CRNAs) or much less what their credentials are.

The credentialing process required for all new anesthesia providers has been expedited to a point that it would be unacceptable elsewhere. What typically takes 2-3 months to gain credentialing at a facility is now being fast tracked as quickly as possible to onboard locums tenens providers and Somnia contract providers as quickly as possible. There are also non-pediatric trained anesthesiologists and CRNAs covering at LeBonheur CHILDREN'S Hospital, which has been disallowed in the past by their own administration. Memphis beware.

Despite what is being said to local media by MLH leadership, full anesthesia coverage is not being provided at any Methodist Hospital to date and things are not running smoothly. MAG may longer be providing services to MLH hospitals, but because of the lasting relationships they have made with hospital and nursing staff, they know exactly what is happening in their absence and it is disheartening to all. This are not mischaracterization of the facts or misinformation.

To add insult to injury, the narrative being spun by Michael Ugwueke to at least one large surgery group in town during a recent meeting, is that MAG doctors were greedy and lazy; that coming from a leader who makes $2.7M dollar per year. As said in a previous comment, MLH can spin the narrative however they want to spin it, however, it would be difficult to find another individual in this city including MAG employees and CRNAs, OR staff, surgeons, transplant teams, recovery room staff, nurses, other physicians or friends and family who would call any member of the MAG anesthesia team lazy. It would be ludicrous to insinuate that working 21 days straight with no day off 3 times in a row in 3 months was lazy. And this same situation on repeat times all 40 MDs and 70 CRNAs. It would be interesting to see how these hours compare to the hours of MHL leadership whose outrageous salaries have been listed already in these comments.

And greedy does not apply to MAG but maybe it could apply to hospital leadership. Although MAG physician salaries were cut significantly after COVID and have continued to drop, the MDs refused to cut, or decrease, the salaries of their office staff or devoted nurse anestetists during or after COVID. They haven taken the cut themselves to continue to provide full pay for their employees. Unlike MLH who was asking for MLH nurses to return COVID bonuses.

This has been a tremendous loss both from a personal standpoint for the partners and nurse anesthetist of MAG and their families involved and for the city of Memphis. Memphis has now lost 18 upstanding, tax paying, community leading, loyal citizens who will never be back. And more will follow. Every member of the Methodist Board of Directors and Methodist Foundation Board, friends of the chief or not, should be ashamed that they have allowed this to happen.

It has been estimated that MLH will be paying between $12 and $20M dollars per quarter for contracted outside anesthesia coverage using locums tenens and contract workers through Somnia Anesthesia for all of their hospitals. And the leadership at MLH sees this as acceptable and a better option than continuing the services of Medical Anesthesia Group after 51 years or of Pediatric Anesthesiologist PA at LeBonheur. MAG had asked for a stipend that was less than half of that amount per year to help make up for the losses they have sustained and for the services they have continued to provide.

It is apparent to all involved that funding for a stipend or subsidy to pay existing, premier, top tier anesthesia groups versus funding for contract labor must come from two different sources on the Methodist balance sheet. A shell game has obviously been played with this entire funding process; a game in which there will be no winners except for power hungry hospital administrators seeking control. MAG was not asking for a stipend that would raise their salaries to even the 100th percentile of anesthesiologists’ salaries in the country; they were asking for a stipend amount that would raise them back to the 70th percentile of anesthesia salaries, which was still going to make it difficult for recruitment compared to other groups in the Southeast. As stated already, recruiting any young physician to Memphis is difficult at best even if salaries were in the top 100% percentile in the nation. Anything below that makes it near to impossible to recruit qualified talent.

MAG was our family for 31 years and will always be, but it is damn refreshing to have a spouse working a typical 40 hour week, as opposed to 80+ hours week after week, being on call 12 hours at a time, as opposed to 72 hours at a time multiple weekends in a row, and all because of his integrity and loyalty not only to MAG but to Methodist Hospitals. And all 40 partners and 70 nurse anesthetists did the same.

At University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences (UAMS) where is now on faculty, he is supported by an incredibly intelligent, informed, and engaged hospital administration that appreciates and listens to their physician faculty members. He is no longer considered a disposable commodity to the hospital. UAMS is doing it right. With 3 additional MAG partners already there, and more possibly coming, and at least one long time MAG CRNA coming soon, Little Rock is getting the best that healthcare can provide. Any other hospital that has been fortunate enough to gain MAG MDs or CRNAs are getting the best as well.

To quote a devoted, exceptional labor and delivery nurse with 35 years in the Methodist system, “Methodist Healthcare has hit the iceberg.” It is, indeed, a travesty to watch this sinking ship."

Man what a mess. I cannot even imagine what Somnia would have to offer to get someone to sign on in Memphis. You might get away with this in a popular area like SoCal or Florida but the hospital is going to be paying millions for this, and not even get a good product in return.
 
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Ok someone tell me why the anesthesia practice itself wouldn’t bring in the docs for locums. I mean if the hospital had a contract with them to provide the service why dump the locums cost back on the hospital? If they were W2 employees I would understand. But in this situation does the hospital cut their stipend?
 
This was posted on a local news story by an ex-partner's wife. What a mess.

"It is preposterous that Methodist LeBonhuer Healthcare has allowed this to happen. Medical Anesthesia Group is one of the premier, top tier privately owned anesthesia groups in the country. Anyone who has ever worked for them, with them, or known them will attest to that fact. My spouse, Dr. Robert ‘Andy’ Crone, mentioned in this article, did leave MAG in October after 31 years, however, his reason for why he left was omitted. Here is his original quote that was cut:

“I lost confidence in the leadership of Methodist LeBonheur Healthcare after 31 years. I just didn't see a future where the hospital was going to work positively with MAG to continue to be partners. It didn’t seem like they had any interest in continuing the relationship with a group that had been there for 51 years.”

We are both native Memphians. Both of our families are in Memphis, Andy went to medical school in Memphis, he did his internship at Methodist Hospital and came back right after residency at Vanderbilt University Hospital because he knew he wanted to be a part of Medical Anesthesia Group after working with them during his internship. We raised 4 children in Memphis. We were active in the Memphis community, especially in the amazing special needs community this city has supported, we lived Downtown prior to moving (an area most of our friends will not even frequent anymore) and we were outspoken downtown advocates despite the crime and were active members of an inner-city downtown church. The very last thing we ever expected to happen, especially at our ages prior to retirement, was for Methodist to not come to an amicable agreement with MAG after having just gone through this with LeBonheur.

After negotiations with Methodist and LeBonheur failed in this same manner in 2021 and LeBonheur lost their top tier pediatric anesthesia provider group, Pediatric Anesthesia, PA, we had full confidence that Methodist would not repeat this same mistake and would not dare let negotiations fail with MAG. We were shocked and dismayed at the lack of leadership and loyalty the hospital displayed to a group of approximately 110 of the most dedicated, devoted, hardworking physicians and nurse anesthetists in the country when it became apparent that negotiations were stalled early last summer. (Discussions started after the closures of the hospitals and cutbacks of surgeries during COVID in addition to MLH losing the BCBS contract).

Medical Anesthesia Group had always ensured that all Methodist hospitals had anesthesia coverage for any surgical request, despite the cost to their group or to the individual physicians and nurse anesthetists (CRNAs). That might mean calling in extra physicians to work beyond their scheduled hours and paying physicians who were already inhouse to work overtime (that was not reimbursed by the hospital), having physicians work an unprecedented number of hours to cover all the surgical cases scheduled, and/or having nurse anesthetists work overtime. They did whatever it took in the best interest of patient care regardless of the cost to their personal lives or salaries and all without adequate additional compensation or recognition for these services from MLH.

This effort combined with the aftereffects of the hospitals being shut down during COVID, inefficiencies within the hospital, changes to payor mix and multiple other factors, made the financial loss impossible for MAG to continue to absorb. As salaries continued to drop and crime continued to rise in Memphis it became near to impossible to recruit new members to the group.

It became apparent to MAG that something had to be done in a partnership with the hospital to update their contractual agreements to better compensate the services they were providing. The existing contract Methodist and MAG had been trying to negotiate included portions that had not been updated since 2007 yet MAG continued to stretch horizontally to meet the demands of the hospitals, the surgeons, and the growing transplant program because that is who MAG was and what they did. They were consistently staffing many more OR rooms than were in their existing contract. Promises were made by Methodist LeBonheur Healthcare to new surgeons they were recruiting to MLH with total disregard to anesthesia staffing or even their own hospital OR staffing. (Surgeons MAY be employed by and paid by the hospital whereas anesthesiologists may not be employed by the hospital and do their own billing. Anesthesia is only paid for cases actually performed; therefore the decrease in their salaries during COVID when hospitals were shut down and very few surgeries were being performed).

As one MAG partner told Michael Ugwueke during one of the recent “town hall meetings” MLH administration was holding at each of the 5 hospitals with hospital employees, physicians, and staff “MAG has actually subsidized Methodist for years Michael, not the other way around. We have been increasingly stretched horizontally as far as we could to cover all anesthesia services at all 5 hospitals, all at a great cost to our partners and our group. It’s a shame that you have failed to realize that and recognize the level of care we have provided.”

Although MAG providers were stretched as thin as they could be stretched, they still were providing full anesthesia coverage. It was not until early summer when it became apparent that negotiations with MLH had stalled and were probably not going to progress that anything changed within the group and its coverage. Only then did MAG partners start making the impossible decision to stay or leave. At that point MAG had to make the difficult decision to cut their losses at money losing hospitals and cover what they were obligated to cover and not continue to extend themselves beyond the realms of what was physically or financially feasible to the group or in the best interest of patient care.

Prior to this, surgical cases did not go uncovered. MAG MDs had too much integrity to let decreases in their salaries, extensive working hours, or non-supportive hospital administration get in the way of optimal patient care beforehand. There was no “persistent challenge” to cover full anesthesia services prior to this. When MLH had to begin bringing in locums tenens and Somnia as MAG stopped offering free services, together, the hospital and Somnia were unable to fully staff the uncovered services that MAG had always been able to do.

In September, 2021, when Wayne Lipson, MD (a cardiovascular surgeon), was hired from Kentucky and named the new Senior Vice President and Chief Medical Officer for the hospital system, MAG initially felt they had a physician advocate who understood the importance of having a top tier anesthesia provider in the hospital and who understood the importance of continuing the relationships MAG had developed over the past 51 years, not only with the surgeons, but the OR staff, recovery room staff, and hospital staff in general. Unfortunately, this did not prove to be the case. Not only did he prove them wrong but he was a facilitator in recruiting Somnia to Memphis which has been mentioned in previous comments. Gone are the days of upper-level hospital administrators growing up within the system and understanding the importance of these years long relationships.

And these relationships do, absolutely, positively directly affect patient care outcomes and experiences. Pairing of anesthesiologists and nurse anesthetists with scheduled surgeries was a work of art for MAG and something they took great pride in doing correctly. They understood the nuances of the surgeons they had worked with for years; they understood their preferences and what surgeon preferred what type of anesthesia provider. Assignment for the day’s work and caseload was not taken lightly. It could take hours for the assigned partner to arrange the MAG case schedule and make assignments for MDs and nurse anestetists the night before to ensure that surgical cases were covered appropriately, and everyone was assigned correctly, prioritizing patient care; all of this before surgery even began. Then the ability to move providers around all over the city in the most efficient way possible from hospital to hospital, after the day's surgeries had begun to optimize OR time, was another feat in and of itself that they orchestrated with precision.

This was all done in the best interest of PATIENT CARE, regardless of the hours it took or the personnel that was required to do this to ensure that things ran as smoothly as possible for the patient. These preferences were paired for each surgical case in a way that takes years to understand. No outsider or corporate entity bringing providers in from out of town or even other providers coming in as locums from other local hospitals for a few days here, and a few days there for the exorbitant pay they are being offered, would have the insider knowledge that the MAG doctors have to orchestrate a system like this covering 5 hospitals a day, cath labs, GI lab, OP surgery centers, transplants, etc.

This was a system that MAG had perfected, and every surgical patient and surgeon benefited from it. These relationships have been being built and finessed over the past 51 year partnership between MAG and MLH. A corporate, non-locally owned entity cannot come in at midnight on a random February evening they selected and repeat this scenario in any shape or form for many years to come, if even then.

MLH has gone from a premier top tier anesthesia provider to a corporate, out town, some say third tier (at best) anesthesia provider. We have warned family and friends to run if scheduled for surgery at MLH, a hospital my husband devoted his entire career to, because there is no way to know if the new anesthesia provider will show up or who they will be, what the supervisory status will be (the ratio of pairing MDs with CRNAs) or much less what their credentials are.

The credentialing process required for all new anesthesia providers has been expedited to a point that it would be unacceptable elsewhere. What typically takes 2-3 months to gain credentialing at a facility is now being fast tracked as quickly as possible to onboard locums tenens providers and Somnia contract providers as quickly as possible. There are also non-pediatric trained anesthesiologists and CRNAs covering at LeBonheur CHILDREN'S Hospital, which has been disallowed in the past by their own administration. Memphis beware.

Despite what is being said to local media by MLH leadership, full anesthesia coverage is not being provided at any Methodist Hospital to date and things are not running smoothly. MAG may longer be providing services to MLH hospitals, but because of the lasting relationships they have made with hospital and nursing staff, they know exactly what is happening in their absence and it is disheartening to all. This are not mischaracterization of the facts or misinformation.

To add insult to injury, the narrative being spun by Michael Ugwueke to at least one large surgery group in town during a recent meeting, is that MAG doctors were greedy and lazy; that coming from a leader who makes $2.7M dollar per year. As said in a previous comment, MLH can spin the narrative however they want to spin it, however, it would be difficult to find another individual in this city including MAG employees and CRNAs, OR staff, surgeons, transplant teams, recovery room staff, nurses, other physicians or friends and family who would call any member of the MAG anesthesia team lazy. It would be ludicrous to insinuate that working 21 days straight with no day off 3 times in a row in 3 months was lazy. And this same situation on repeat times all 40 MDs and 70 CRNAs. It would be interesting to see how these hours compare to the hours of MHL leadership whose outrageous salaries have been listed already in these comments.

And greedy does not apply to MAG but maybe it could apply to hospital leadership. Although MAG physician salaries were cut significantly after COVID and have continued to drop, the MDs refused to cut, or decrease, the salaries of their office staff or devoted nurse anestetists during or after COVID. They haven taken the cut themselves to continue to provide full pay for their employees. Unlike MLH who was asking for MLH nurses to return COVID bonuses.

This has been a tremendous loss both from a personal standpoint for the partners and nurse anesthetist of MAG and their families involved and for the city of Memphis. Memphis has now lost 18 upstanding, tax paying, community leading, loyal citizens who will never be back. And more will follow. Every member of the Methodist Board of Directors and Methodist Foundation Board, friends of the chief or not, should be ashamed that they have allowed this to happen.

It has been estimated that MLH will be paying between $12 and $20M dollars per quarter for contracted outside anesthesia coverage using locums tenens and contract workers through Somnia Anesthesia for all of their hospitals. And the leadership at MLH sees this as acceptable and a better option than continuing the services of Medical Anesthesia Group after 51 years or of Pediatric Anesthesiologist PA at LeBonheur. MAG had asked for a stipend that was less than half of that amount per year to help make up for the losses they have sustained and for the services they have continued to provide.

It is apparent to all involved that funding for a stipend or subsidy to pay existing, premier, top tier anesthesia groups versus funding for contract labor must come from two different sources on the Methodist balance sheet. A shell game has obviously been played with this entire funding process; a game in which there will be no winners except for power hungry hospital administrators seeking control. MAG was not asking for a stipend that would raise their salaries to even the 100th percentile of anesthesiologists’ salaries in the country; they were asking for a stipend amount that would raise them back to the 70th percentile of anesthesia salaries, which was still going to make it difficult for recruitment compared to other groups in the Southeast. As stated already, recruiting any young physician to Memphis is difficult at best even if salaries were in the top 100% percentile in the nation. Anything below that makes it near to impossible to recruit qualified talent.

MAG was our family for 31 years and will always be, but it is damn refreshing to have a spouse working a typical 40 hour week, as opposed to 80+ hours week after week, being on call 12 hours at a time, as opposed to 72 hours at a time multiple weekends in a row, and all because of his integrity and loyalty not only to MAG but to Methodist Hospitals. And all 40 partners and 70 nurse anesthetists did the same.

At University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences (UAMS) where is now on faculty, he is supported by an incredibly intelligent, informed, and engaged hospital administration that appreciates and listens to their physician faculty members. He is no longer considered a disposable commodity to the hospital. UAMS is doing it right. With 3 additional MAG partners already there, and more possibly coming, and at least one long time MAG CRNA coming soon, Little Rock is getting the best that healthcare can provide. Any other hospital that has been fortunate enough to gain MAG MDs or CRNAs are getting the best as well.

To quote a devoted, exceptional labor and delivery nurse with 35 years in the Methodist system, “Methodist Healthcare has hit the iceberg.” It is, indeed, a travesty to watch this sinking ship."
Why the hell is she talking so much? She’s a wife. Good Lord. Wives of doctors have this much power? And at this age, at least 60, why are they so upset? Ride off in the sunset!!! Do you need another 2Million to add to your nest egg? Why are people still working and pissed off at being let go after 3 decades?
Give it up and enjoy what’s left of life before you die of that massive MI or Stroke or Cancer.
The younger ones I understand but Geez!!
 
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Math. You can afford to pay $250/hr per MD but the current market expects $500/hr after the locums company’s cut.
If they lost half their staff (I read what 14 out of 31?) They can afford more than $250 an hour for a few locums. And cut out the Locums company middle man.
 
Why the hell is she talking so much? She’s a wife. Good Lord. Wives of doctors have this much power? And at this age, at least 60, why are they so upset? Ride off in the sunset!!! Do you need another 2Million to add to your nest egg? Why are people still working and pissed off at being let go after 3 decades?
Give it up and enjoy what’s left of life before you die of that massive MI or Stroke or Cancer.
The younger ones I understand but Geez!!
Seems she's saying what needed to be said. I'm sure this narrative is almost the exact same as has been seen all over the country. I think it's great that someone is willing to air the dirty laundry (still think someone should do the same in Billings). The spouse of a partner who's been there 30 years is going to have a far more comprehensive perspective of all that's happened than one of the young docs. I say good for her for putting it all out there!
 
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Why the hell is she talking so much? She’s a wife. Good Lord. Wives of doctors have this much power? And at this age, at least 60, why are they so upset? Ride off in the sunset!!! Do you need another 2Million to add to your nest egg? Why are people still working and pissed off at being let go after 3 decades?
Give it up and enjoy what’s left of life before you die of that massive MI or Stroke or Cancer.
The younger ones I understand but Geez!!

What exactly is your complaint here? She’s a wife of an anesthesiologist who ran a successful practice for decades, deeply entrenched in their own community and provided seemingly excellent care even in times of crisis at the cost of their own health and personal lives… all to lose it to people who have zero buy-in other than red number/black number. Would you prefer this story to be buried along with the practice? Keep it hush hush? Really confused here.

Anyway, the replaceability theory prevails, unfortunately.
 
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Seems she's saying what needed to be said. I'm sure this narrative is almost the exact same as has been seen all over the country. I think it's great that someone is willing to air the dirty laundry (still think someone should do the same in Billings). The spouse of a partner who's been there 30 years is going to have a far more comprehensive perspective of all that's happened than one of the young docs. I say good for her for putting it all out there!
She needs to learn to be concise then. Jesus. I aged reading that. And that was less than half.
 
What exactly is your complaint here? She’s a wife of an anesthesiologist who ran a successful practice for decades, deeply entrenched in their own community and provided seemingly excellent care even in times of crisis at the cost of their own health and personal lives… all to lose it to people who have zero buy-in other than red number/black number. Would you prefer this story to be buried along with the practice? Keep it hush hush? Really confused here.

Anyway, the replaceability theory prevails, unfortunately.
Too long too much. This can be said a lot more concisely. And why is she saying this instead of the owners anyway?
 
Too long too much. This can be said a lot more concisely. And why is she saying this instead of the owners anyway?

Oh, I see. Joined a couple of weeks ago. Just another friendly, neighborhood troll (if not one of the existing ones). Carry on.
 
Too long too much. This can be said a lot more concisely. And why is she saying this instead of the owners anyway?
Just speculation on my part, but


1. It was an FU and an attempt to put a named executive's skin in the game and pierce the corporate veil and a gift to any plaintiff attorneys who might sue for future malpractice.
2. Why an ex-partner's spouse as opposed to an ex partner? Ex partners may very well have a non disparagement clause in their agreements for when they separate.
It wouldn't surprise me in the least if this letter was crafted with the assistance of legal counsel.
 
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Oh, I see. Joined a couple of weeks ago. Just another friendly, neighborhood troll (if not one of the existing ones). Carry on.
So just because someone is new with an opinion differen from yours makes them a troll? Are you all a bunch of drones or something?? Lol
 
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Just speculation on my part, but


1. It was an FU and an attempt to put a named executive's skin in the game and pierce the corporate veil and a gift to any plaintiff attorneys who might sue for future malpractice.
2. Why an ex-partner's spouse as opposed to an ex partner? Ex partners may very well have a non disparagement clause in their agreements for when they separate.
It wouldn't surprise me in the least if this letter was crafted with the assistance of legal counsel.
All makes sense. Thanks.
 
So just because someone is new with an opinion differen from yours makes them a troll? Are you all a bunch of drones or something? The Borg? Lol

I think those of us experienced in how these groups, deals, transactions, and relationships are constructed can completely see how this went down and see how short sighted the hospital system is. And completely sympathize with the wife who had to move after 30 years in a stable practice and community. It just ****ing sucks.
 
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Leaving your community, friends and social circle involuntarily is probably the worst thing one goes through

I don’t know how full time locums people do that honestly
 
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I think those of us experienced in how these groups, deals, transactions, and relationships are constructed can completely see how this went down and see how short sighted the hospital system is. And completely sympathize with the wife who had to move after 30 years in a stable practice and community. It just ****ing sucks.
I’ve seen how these deals/relationships are formed and also seen them fall apart, and it’s usually seen as being abrupt, as the physicians wife mentioned. But in hindsight, which is always 20/20, shouldn’t have been. It’s not just the hospital system that was short sighted.

Your group is struggling to adequately staff, call goes up, payor mix goes down. You start asking for a stipend you should’ve been renegotiating every year. Unless your groups board board members are spending their weekends with the top hospital people you’re now in the red to them. The AMC promises more for less. You thought all your free extra work was appreciated, which it is by the surgeons/nurses and everyone else who doesn’t make a decision. That anesthesiologist’s wife story hit home for me..what she didn’t say was that there are two parties to every relationship. Good private practice groups run lean, the downside of this is AMCs have groups of lawyers, admin to manage their contracts/negotiations/scheduling. Asking for a stipend you should’ve been asking for is the failure of not just the Memphis PP group. I can think of 3 groups (1 I worked with, 1 did locums, 1 I know a good friend in) who all wished they had asked and kept up on stipends; they are all either AMCs or hospital employed, 1 for the better, 2 for the worse.

The downside of this is the stable relationships built over decades. No one knows the future, but I would bet it’s going to go down like EM: PP groups in rubble trying to survive, unable to staff when their previous hospitals want them back. Not a majority, some are smart, know their landscape and have smart people, but enough it will make a dent.
The AMCs will be the only ones to gain, they’re playing a longer game, they can drop a contract and say FU if it’s not working out or say hey we’re dropping your salary, take it or leave it. They’re business people dealing with the business people who run hospitals, PP like Memphis are doctors trying to deal with business people
 
Leaving your community, friends and social circle involuntarily is probably the worst thing one goes through

I don’t know how full time locums people do that honestly
Oh jeez you all are sheltered people.
Tell that to the Doctors fighting and dying in wars.
 
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I think those of us experienced in how these groups, deals, transactions, and relationships are constructed can completely see how this went down and see how short sighted the hospital system is. And completely sympathize with the wife who had to move after 30 years in a stable practice and community. It just ****ing sucks.
Ok. But there are much, much worse things happening around the world. The group did not lose their medical license. He and the partners will survive. Stuff happens. This is America. Money comes before anything. Nothing personal. We are all little cogs in the wheel and people need to stop feeling so damn special when dealing w corporate America. Which is what Healthcare has become and some of that is due to us selling out in the first place and forming these stupid AMCs.

Men, people are sheltered.
 
I think those of us experienced in how these groups, deals, transactions, and relationships are constructed can completely see how this went down and see how short sighted the hospital system is. And completely sympathize with the wife who had to move after 30 years in a stable practice and community. It just ****ing sucks.


I also wonder how many millions of $$ that group contributed to the foundations supporting the hospital over the decades. How many overpriced tables and auction items group members bought at the annual foundation galas.
 
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Oh jeez you all are sheltered people.
Tell that to the Doctors fighting and dying in wars.
Yeah I’m sure
But that’s not a valid or appropriate comparison

It’s like saying someone having covid should be thankful that they don’t have Ebola

Both are horrible
 
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Yeah I’m sure
But that’s not a valid or appropriate comparison

It’s like saying someone having covid should be thankful that they don’t have Ebola

Both are horrible
Actually one is kinda bad and one is horrible.
They still have their licenses and can work. Not the end of the world like it literally is for some people in the world. Perspective. People lose their jobs all the time. Not the end of the world. Not horrible. Just kinda sucks.
 
Why the hell is she talking so much? She’s a wife. Good Lord. Wives of doctors have this much power? And at this age, at least 60, why are they so upset? Ride off in the sunset!!! Do you need another 2Million to add to your nest egg? Why are people still working and pissed off at being let go after 3 decades?
Give it up and enjoy what’s left of life before you die of that massive MI or Stroke or Cancer.
The younger ones I understand but Geez!!
You are still productive at age 60.

CEO are major companies still work into their 60s. And jet setting isn’t as glamorous as it seems. On the road for 200 plus day a year is not as great as it seems unless you have a side girl or something

3 of my colleagues are past 60 and still in really good shape. But maybe that’s the secret to their marriage. Once u retire. You can drive the spouse crazy.
 
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AMC operate to not lose money. I can guarantee you the hospital is subsidizing 100% of the locums costs. There is no way the ceo of the hospital can deny that.

So the one thing the ceo claims the private group wanted (to have hospital pay for all the locums). He’s doing the thing for Somonia he wouldn’t do for the private group. Why doesn’t anyone call him out on this?

Again no spin by the ceo can call him out on this. He can try to claim he needs to spend then money to stabilize the situation. But it’s all bs talk.
 
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You are still productive at age 60.

CEO are major companies still work into their 60s. And jet setting isn’t as glamorous as it seems. On the road for 200 plus day a year is not as great as it seems unless you have a side girl or something

3 of my colleagues are past 60 and still in really good shape. But maybe that’s the secret to their marriage. Once u retire. You can drive the spouse crazy.
Totally get it. For me, I see too many people dying young that I can’t see myself continuing this grind past a certain age.
And the last part. I bet that is true in lots of marriages.
 
AMC operate to not lose money. I can guarantee you the hospital is subsidizing 100% of the locums costs. There is no way the ceo of the hospital can deny that.

So the one thing the ceo claims the private group wanted (to have hospital pay for all the locums). He’s doing the thing for Somonia he wouldn’t do for the private group. Why doesn’t anyone call him out on this?

Again no spin by the ceo can call him out on this. He can try to claim he needs to spend then money to stabilize the situation. But it’s all bs talk.
Why do you keep calling them Somonia?
But if you are sure about this subsidy then yeah, the CEO did them wrong.
At the end of the day pwople need to stop thinking that these hospitals think they are special. Sure you can cultivate/nurture relationships. But unless you own/part own the hospital you are easily replaceable. Doctors need to realize this. I can’t believe many still haven’t.
 
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Why do you keep calling them Somonia?
But if you are sure about this subsidy then yeah, the CEO did them wrong.
At the end of the day pwople need to stop thinking that these hospitals think they are special. Sure you can cultivate/nurture relationships. But unless you own/part own the hospital you are easily replaceable. Doctors need to realize this. I can’t believe many still haven’t.
Why do you call them pwople? lol 😝
 
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20,000 seems very low. Most groups that size direction 75000-100,000 or more cases a year..depends if you include labor epidurals as a case.

Call is the biggest part of the FTE requirements probably…probably 5+ overnight call sites. Every call site is 3-4 FTEs/day depending on how you do math as post call day off is off so that’s an FTE.

that’s the one of the big problems with anesthesia…call taking sites. Little revenue generated after 4pm a lot of days.
 
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Leaving your community, friends and social circle involuntarily is probably the worst thing one goes through

I don’t know how full time locums people do that honestly
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I’ve never worked in an ACT model but can someone explain to me why they need 38 bodies to cover 20000 cases/year over 19 sites? That’s just 526 cases/person/year or 43 cases/person/month. Seems very inefficient.
Because it’s likely 3 or maybe even 4 physical locations. Main hospital , outpatient , children?

So u likely need at least 4 docs main place all the time maybe 5

2 docs off campus locations

So a min 8 docs a day

It’s more than 19 locations likely 24-25 with inefficiencies built in.

1 doc post
1 doc pre
3 docs on vacation

So that’s a min 13 docs needed.

That’s assuming full crnas

If crna staffing isn’t full. Many crnas choose to work 2-3 days a week (24 x 7 shifts a month)
3(12hs) 0.9, (2 days 16/24). That also creates artificial staffing shortage

That’s how you can explain the need for that many providers.
 
A friend that works in Memphis sent me this from their local news outlet. More drama unfolding there with Somnia after the private group pulled out

Daily Memphian article re having surgery at Methodist ~

Methodist Le Bonheur Healthcare is closing operating rooms, according to a local surgeon, and delaying even minor procedures because it does not have a large enough anesthesia team, according to another doctor.

Vascular surgeon Dr. Jacqueline Majors said she was told by Methodist on Monday, March 4, that her elective cases could not be scheduled until early April at Germantown Methodist, its busiest hospital for surgery, because five of its 14 operating rooms are now closed due to the shortage of anesthesia care.

“Patient care is absolutely going to be delayed,” Majors said.

Last month, Methodist switched from its long-term anesthesia provider to a new group, which for four months has been urgently recruiting staffers to try to fill the void in anesthesia care in Methodist’s five adult hospitals in Memphis.

It’s unclear how many anesthesiologists are still needed or how long surgeries may be affected. Methodist did not respond to questions about what provisions it was making for patients who cannot wait weeks for surgery or what percentage of its operating rooms are closed.

Internist Dr. Hany Habashy has practiced in Memphis for more than three decades and tells a similar story.

“The problem is not just operating rooms; the problem is even with procedures,” he said. “We (admit patients to the hospital) to have a bronchoscopy or endoscopy and seven or eight days later after we admit them, they still haven’t had it because we don’t have anesthesia.”

The procedures may be minor, he said, but they are essential to caring for the patient. He also noted the extended time in the hospital is costing patients and their insurers.

All of the patients Majors is trying to book right now are elective cases. She said she may have to route more urgent cases through the emergency room; hospitals generally move admitted patients to the front of the surgery schedule. But doing surgeries from the ER “increases the cost to the patient and to the hospital,” she said.

“I’m OK waiting this month, but some of my patients can’t afford to wait that long. The type of patients I see can have ruptured aortas, or they can progress to amputation — they can lose a limb — if they don’t get operated on in a timely fashion.”

Mary Washington’s 12-year-old daughter was originally scheduled to have surgery Feb. 14 to remove a cholesteatoma growth on her eardrum. Several weeks earlier, her ear, nose and throat specialist called Washington with bad news:

“‘OK, we have a situation. Methodist fired their anesthesiology group. And the new one they had hired, doesn’t have their insurance lined up at this point,’” Washington said.

“She told me all they were accepting was Medicare and Medicaid. They weren’t processing Cigna, which is what I have.”

Because of a previous cholesteatoma on her eardrum, Washington’s daughter has already lost 30% of her hearing. It will not return. The second growth threatens more hearing loss.

Now, she is also having chronic ear infections.

The alternative, Washington was told, was to find a physician at Le Bonheur Children’s Hospital to take over. The family did that. That physician got the ball rolling for a new CT scan. And then Washington got a call from the first ENT, saying Somnia Anesthesia — the new anesthesia provider for Methodist — was able to accept Cigna.

“Oh, great. We’ll just stick with our original doctor because we’ve been with him for four years. We trust him. We got the surgery briefly scheduled for March 20,” Washington said.

Last week, a surgery scheduler from Methodist Germantown called to say the hospital was no longer performing pediatric surgeries.

“She told us the doctor does surgeries at Methodist Germantown and East Memphis Surgery Center. The East Memphis Surgery Center is out of network for us,” Washington said.

“So, it was, ‘We essentially cannot do your surgery at all right now,”’ she said.

The family has been referred back to the physician at Le Bonheur and is waiting to hear when surgery can be done.

“It’s just a domino effect. The whole thing is just frustrating,” Washington said.

Methodist did not respond to inquiries from The Daily Memphian for this story.

Majors suggests pediatric surgery patients are now being sent to Le Bonheur due to the uncertainty with staffing, because pediatric surgery, even in older teens, requires anesthesiologists with pediatric experience, she said.

“If (the hospital doesn’t) feel comfortable that they know the schedule in advance or know who’s going to be there, they’re probably advising the surgeon and the patient to do something where they know what kind of care they’re going to receive,” Majors said.

“I think that the people locally at Methodist Germantown are really trying to do what they think is best for the patient.”

(Methodist, U.S. government near settlement for lawsuit)

ISO anesthesiologists..

Methodist ended its more than 50-year partnership with Medical Anesthesia Group at 12:01 a.m. Feb. 10, after negotiations broke down in November 2023. Over the course of the negotiations, a number of longtime anesthesiologists left MAG — and Memphis altogether — amid a national shortage of anesthesiologists.

Methodist then hired multi-state provider Somnia Anesthesia to take over.

According to local anesthesiologists, New York-based Somnia recruited heavily in the run-up to the switch. In January, Somnia was advertising anesthesiologist jobs in Memphis with salaries starting at $530,000 a year plus bonuses. It was texting potential candidates regularly.

Somnia did not respond to recent questions from The Daily Memphian.

MAG had 20 anesthesiologists on staff at the February cutoff date. It’s unclear how many anesthesiologists Somnia has recruited.

Last week, Somnia doubled down on recruiting, adding $120,000 to the pay. That means a full-time anesthesiologist taking off-hours call will make $650,000 a year at Methodist, excluding benefits.

That is higher than 75-80% of the markets in the South, according to the 2023 Datadive provider compensation tables for anesthesiologists.

Late last summer, Methodist offered MAG physicians a pay package that would put them at the 50th percentile in the South, according to a physician who left the group and asked not to be named.

“The lack of anesthesia is a huge blunder,” Habashy said.

“They should have had a very good replacement plan before they gave MAG the February deadline, because alternatively, patients will suffer, and patients are suffering.”

Four weeks after the transition from MAG to Somnia, stories of care delays and other concerns have been swirling in the community.

“A group of moms were chatting about it just last night at lacrosse,” Washington said last week. “We’re all talking about what we’ve heard.”

In the ORs,
Methodist used to prepare anesthesiology schedules weeks in advance, Majors said. Now, she said, the schedule is made as late as the night before, making it difficult for surgeons to discuss their patients’ cases in advance with the anesthesia team.

The conversations now take place moments before surgeries begin, Majors said.

“I do aortic aneurysm repairs. I do carotid artery repairs where I have to coordinate really closely with anesthesia to manage the blood pressure during the operation, the blood loss,” she said.

One of her concerns is that there are not enough anesthesiologists at Methodist qualified to work the complex vascular surgeries she performs.

Doctors who care for patients at Methodist say some services are currently being provided by traveling anesthesiologists — called locums — moonlighting at its five adult hospitals, including some who fly in to cover shifts.

Earlier this month, an anesthesiologist from Baptist Memorial Health Care, working as locums for Methodist in his free time, was assigned to one of Majors’ cases.

She was relieved.

“I was grateful for that because I know him; and we have a good working relationship.”

She does not know the other locums or their level of experience.

One of the questions she will be asking is: “How many of these procedures have you done and how comfortable are you performing this surgery?”

“All we really want is some type of consistency and communication to better take care of the patients,” Majors said. “It’s a huge burden on surgeons. We take a lot of responsibility of putting these patients’ lives in our hands, and we just want to know who our partner is when we are operating.”

Habashy trained at Methodist and said he had been proud of the system in the past.

“I keep sending the administration almost a case every day, telling them, ‘Look at this case. Look at that delay. Look at where we are now,’” he said.

Washington feels the burden, too. Her daughter cannot resume normal activity for at least six weeks after surgery. The family has early-summer commitments. There is no assurance.

“This is not considered elective surgery. I have asked our ENT if this was something we could push back. Or can we just wait and see what happens,” Washington said.

The answer was no. This surgery needs to be done because the cholesteatoma is growing on her eardrum.”
 
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