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I'd like to go to a school where the teachers are good, the curriculum is well designed, well-integrated, and class time is used productively. In other words, a place where it's worth your time to go to class and you don't feel you are hopping around all over the place studying completely unrelated topics, with no attempt by the faculty to connect the topics.

Is there such a place? Am I dreaming?

thanks
 
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meowmix - the school with the best curriculum is clearly Harvard.
the end.
 
Meow Mix- you may be just dreaming. My school's curriculum looks great on paper but doesn't work out as well as the plan. I don't know any students at other schools so I can't make any guesses about other schools. CWRU goes by an organ-based system, meaning that we study everything about just one system for a few weeks at a time and then take one exam with all of the physiology, histology, anatomy, embryology, and pathology. Each "committee" is organized by one or two chairs. The problem is that they recruit many, many lecturers for each committee, with many people giving only 1 fifty-minute lecture. Even if the chairs give a list of basic concepts that they want to be covered, lecturers often expound upon the minutiae of their incredibly fascinating research areas. The majority of lecturers don't do this but it happens often enough. We have complained but some chairs have said that they can't tell lecturers what to teach (What about finding some cooperative lecturers?!!) Despite the problems with the way the curriculum is run, I do feel that I am getting a good education; I think that students everywhere spend a lot of time on review books.
You might want to compare schools based on teaching methods and think carefully about how you learn best. I thought that I would really like PBL but I am so extremely grateful that I didn't get into Harvard. We spend a little time in PBL sessions at CWRU and I find it excruciating; yes, you can learn that way but it takes forever and we waste an absurd amount of time discussing the process. Lectures may be passive and sometimes boring but for me, they are a much more efficient way to learn. Also think about the grading system. I didn't give it much thought but I am very happy that I am at a school that doesn't issue any grades at all in the first two years. Some topics in medicine are completely uninteresting to me and I am glad that my school lets me learn the necessities about boring subjects without having to worry about how my lack of enthusiasm will look on the transcript.
 
Originally posted by DarkChild
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meowmix - the school with the best curriculum is clearly Harvard.
the end.

HAHAHA! If you want to see an amazing curriculum click here

Only a year and a half of bookwork, early clinical exposure, oh..and did I mention it's the oldest medical school in the United States?

Eat your heart out Harvard!
 
Keck - School of Medicine (USC)
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Introduction to Clinical Medicine (ICM)

i'm enjoying it a lot so far 🙂
 
I don't want to get into a pissing contest with other med students about which school has a better this or that, but from a personal standpoint LSU-New Orleans has a very good curriculum through it's first two years.

A couple of features:

1) Early clinical exposure in the first year via a student-and-mothers program in which a student attends clinic visits with an expecting mother, and afterwards gets to witness the birth...in many instances the first-year student actually assists in the child-birthing (i.e. holding the mother's leg).

2) DxR - computer based cases where a virtual patient is presented to a student, and the student must go through the triad of interview/physical exam/labs before coming up with a diagnosis. The case is then discussed in a class-setting and is presented by a medical specialist.

3) Less class time - this allows more personal study time for the student.

4) Skills lab - students get to practice certain techniques on mannequins. These mannequins can present with various heart and lung sounds, and students can practice placing an IV or drawing blood from these mannequins.

Like I said, I'm not here to say LSU's is the best curriculum out there, but it has worked out pretty well for me and has gotten a lot of positive feedback from both students and the med school accreditation committee.
 
my gf is there at harvard, and compared to my medical school, their curriculum is really really really bad. even my gf complains daily about it because she knows of my curriculum.

seriously, how can you have gross anatomy/embryo/histo, then biochem, then physio, then genetics, then pharm. why would you ever separate biochem and genetics between physio and pharm???? not only that, each block is only like 5 weeks long. how can anatomy be 6 weeks long, and physio be 5 weeks long??? she says she learns nothing because the order of the blocks make no sense, and the pace is too fast to memorize anything.

i just cannot believe anyone could say harvard has the "best" curriculum. i might still have chosen to go there for the "name," despite the fact that the "curriculum" there really sucks.


Originally posted by DarkChild
(guys - i'll handle this one)
meowmix - the school with the best curriculum is clearly Harvard.
the end.
 
Originally posted by yaoming
my gf is there at harvard, and compared to my medical school, their curriculum is really really really bad. even my gf complains daily about it because she knows of my curriculum.

seriously, how can you have gross anatomy/embryo/histo, then biochem, then physio, then genetics, then pharm. why would you ever separate biochem and genetics between physio and pharm???? not only that, each block is only like 5 weeks long. how can anatomy be 6 weeks long, and physio be 5 weeks long??? she says she learns nothing because the order of the blocks make no sense, and the pace is too fast to memorize anything.

i just cannot believe anyone could say harvard has the "best" curriculum. i might still have chosen to go there for the "name," despite the fact that the "curriculum" there really sucks.
hahaha - i cant believe you guys are taking this thread seriously.
ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer.
🙄 🙄
seriously - what the f kind of inane question is which school has the best curriculum?
 
Originally posted by DarkChild
hahaha - i cant believe you guys are taking this thread seriously.
ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer.
🙄 🙄
seriously - what the f kind of inane question is which school has the best curriculum?

Wow. I'm guessing you would change you mind a year into med school. The way the curriculum is organized makes a HUGE difference. For example, my roommate from last year and all his friends from UCLA hated the curriculum there (one year normal systems, second year path and pharm). Where as at USC, everybody absolutely loves the way things are taught and I would say we have ~80% attendance of classes. Our system is like CWRU mentioned above, but the teachers actually teach real well (so far. keeping fingers crosses)
 
Thanks to everyone who has given helpful replies. I would love to hear more - this is making me consider schools I would not have thought of.

Why would I ask this question? Because I am going to go to SCHOOL, where your whole learning experience is shaped by the CURRICULUM. (OK, so maybe the question should have been, who has a good curriculum, but then I wouldn't get these great emotional responses.) The quality of the curriculum also tells you a lot about whether the school is well organized and the faculty are cohesive and work well together to do what is best for the students, rather than getting stuck in politics and tradition. For example, a faculty member at my state school recently told me that they know they have to change the curriculum so it works better for the students, but it's going to take them a while to get there because it's hard to get all the faculty on the same track. So the students will wait another 2 to 5 years for the changes they need, and then they will get to endure a year or two of adjusting the new curriculum.

It is fairly awful to be in poorly sequenced classes and to waste time, as people have talked about in earlier posts. Why not look for something better, for all those tuition $$?
 
I think the type of curriculum at medical school is one of the most important things to consider. ucsf is the bomb and is similar to some posts above. It is organ based with lectures, small groups, problem-based learning sessions, and online supplements to assess how you are doing. The syllabi are so complete that most of us don't use any texts (except a Netter during Anatomy). Our Foundations of Patient Care (FPC) course runs concominantly with our organ's blocks and in FPC we started interviewing patients one week into medical school, have learned physical examination skills, precepted at physicians' practices/clinics and spent a couple days as part of a clinical team in one of the UCSF-based hospitals. I really think the organs approach is the way to go. For instance, when we did cardiovascular..we did the anatomy, histology, physiology, pathology, pathophysiology, medicine, pharmacology, epidemiology, and behavioral aspects all in a very organized and intergrated fashion. Our basic science only goes to March of our second year. We start on the wards in April of our second year. I think this is similar to Baylor and Penn, but I'm not positive.

During that block we broke into small groups and went over to Zion where we practiced our cardio physical exam skills on patients with real cardiac findings. It is pretty nice to be three months into medical school watching yourself properly characterize systolic versus diastolic murmurs, grade murmurs, listen for S3, S4, S2 splitting, palpate for PMI, look for JVD, etc. It really made us all realize just how much we learned. After shadowing a couple internists and residents, I can confidently say that we are learning in a really great way. Supposedly, since changing the curriculum, quite a few attendings have actually called Dean Irby and told him how impressed they were with the level of knowledge that the first and second-year students had/have.

I couldn't imagine learning everything in a non-integrated format. Having to spend my whole first year learning just the basic sciences would really suck (for me). Right from the start, we felt like we were learning medicine. It helps to keep you interested, motivated, and excited.

Also, we are strictly Pass/Fail the first two years. No honors, no high pass, no secret tiering or ranking for dean's letters (I have looked into this and it has been confirmed).

Our online curriculum is the bomb as well. People post review sheets, helpful articles, and we have a forum where we can ask each other and professors questions for clarification that are almost always answered the same day. Our online schedule can be palm-synched, but also has links to self-assessments and a list of the lecture's objectives.

After finishing prologue, cardiovascular, pulmonary, renal, and head and neck..almost all of my class is still really pleased.

Oh, one more thing. Our faculty is amazing. Katzung teaches pharmacology here (you might be using his text or board review book by lange). The medicine lectures are always good in my opinion (head of the cardiac cath lab for cards, lots of good nephrologists for small group in renal, etc). Pathology lectures are always a lot of fun. For some reason, the Pathologists here have very strange senses of humor and it helps to get through a powerpoint presentation packed with hyaline cartilage and PMNs. The Anatomy department is a godsend. When we were studying in the lab (which is off the hook) they would be in there all the time going over stuff again, coming in on the weekends, etc. A lot of gratitude goes to them. The physio lectures were very good overall. Pulmonary was a little weak, but renal and cardiology was great. Ok, that's it. Just wanted to make some comments about the faculty.

Tuition/Fees = $11,000/year.
Living expenses = $19,000/year.
 
Originally posted by UCLA2000
HAHAHA! If you want to see an amazing curriculum click

Without a doubt, Penn's curriculum looks great on paper but I wonder what Penn students think about it.
 
Duke's curriculum is the best. Only 1 year for basic science. The closest competitors are Baylor and Penn, but Duke beats them both out.
 
My school's curriculum looks great on paper as well, but is pretty lackluster. You get what you need, but in a very painful and inefficient format. However, the clinical experience is pretty good, and generally the residents are awesome (and allow the students to be very hands on. (especially in the surgery department). Generally the basic science is taught by researchers, many of whom don't like to teach but are required to (with the same results that an earlier poster described for CWRU). Sometimes they are even "punished" for lack of research productivity by being forced to teach. You will find this to varying degress at nearly every school.

I'll pass on to you the most valuable piece of advice that was given to me when I started the residency interview process...ask the current students what they don't like about the program. Find out what drives them nuts, and what they think the weaknesses are. Otherwise all you will hear is how great the place is. And be suspicious of any place that doesn't let you have some time with current students uninterrupted by anyone involved in the selection process...they may be trying to hide something.

Any curriculum can look good on paper. Find out how well it works from those in the midst of it.

Finally, remember that most accepted applicants only get one acceptance. So a "bad" curriculum is better than none!
 
Yale's seems really good - i'm not a student there, just interviewed.... but seemed really cool
 
Originally posted by yaoming
my gf is there at harvard, and compared to my medical school, their curriculum is really really really bad. even my gf complains daily about it because she knows of my curriculum.

seriously, how can you have gross anatomy/embryo/histo, then biochem, then physio, then genetics, then pharm. why would you ever separate biochem and genetics between physio and pharm???? not only that, each block is only like 5 weeks long. how can anatomy be 6 weeks long, and physio be 5 weeks long??? she says she learns nothing because the order of the blocks make no sense, and the pace is too fast to memorize anything.

i just cannot believe anyone could say harvard has the "best" curriculum. i might still have chosen to go there for the "name," despite the fact that the "curriculum" there really sucks.

:laugh:

That was funny. I remember my dad saying the same thing after he saw our one sheet schedule. Your gf must not be a first year though b/c the curriculum has changed.

**btw, all lectures are broadcast over the net, and you get out of class at 12:30 everyday.

One of the few places that allows me to work 25-30 hrs a week, which helps with living expenses.
 
i think you are on the HMS curriculum, which is different from the other one they still have which i am referring. from what i know, not many students are in the HMS curriculum, so many are still stuck with that random fastpace block system.


Originally posted by mamie
:laugh:

That was funny. I remember my dad saying the same thing after he saw our one sheet schedule. Your gf must not be a first year though b/c the curriculum has changed.

**btw, all lectures are broadcast over the net, and you get out of class at 12:30 everyday.

One of the few places that allows me to work 25-30 hrs a week, which helps with living expenses.
 
any ucsd students out there that can comment on their curriculum.
I'm also interested in how generous they are in grants/scholarships since i'll be going there next year
dirtybob
 
Man, we have a small amount of Problem Based Learing at my school. (Fortunantly our "new curriculum" is still lecture based.)

I have to agree with a previous poster who finds PBL excruciating.

First of all, I despise sitting in a small group discussing things like biochemistry. I would rather sit through a day of lectures then one small group meeting.

Second, I hate having to go research topics that would be more efficiently taught in a lecture setting. I have a wife, three kids, dogs, and a life and I just don't want to spend that much time looking up things that I can read from class notes.

Third, I like lectures. We have some good lecturers, particularly in pathology, and since the tests come from handouts (usually posted on our website) it makes studying logistically simple. I always know exactly what I need to know and how much time it's going to take me to study.

Finally, I'm pretty confident that all the USMLE testable topics have been covered and when I review for the test it will be just that, a review, and not the exploration of new topics.

I'm kind of old-fashioned about lectures. I mean if I wanted to be a self-learner I would have taken a correspondance course.



Now here's a good curriculum:


http://www.sh.lsuhsc.edu/new_curric/
 
Originally posted by yaoming
i think you are on the HMS curriculum, which is different from the other one they still have which i am referring. from what i know, not many students are in the HMS curriculum, so many are still stuck with that random fastpace block system.

Are you talking about New Pathway versus HST?
 
i believe it's HST, but not sure. what i am sure is the pathway i'm referring is the old one that they still use, and the majority of students are currently in it.

Originally posted by mamie
Are you talking about New Pathway versus HST?
 
Originally posted by pathdr2b
Without a doubt, Penn's curriculum looks great on paper but I wonder what Penn students think about it.

Well...I called it an "amazing" curriculum didn't I?:laugh:
 
1 more week until spring break... and then 4 months to study for the boards 😀


Originally posted by Hero
Keck - School of Medicine (USC)
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Introduction to Clinical Medicine (ICM)

i'm enjoying it a lot so far 🙂
 
The previous poster noted having 4 months to study for boards. thus, another important question to ask about is BOARD PREP. My board prep time was squeezed into 1 month. We had our final set of exams, then a month or so to study for STEP 1 before starting clinicals. It is possible, but hellish at best.
 
Yale all the way. Its all P/F so the first two years mean jack and you can leisurely study for the board or accumulate pubs with the mandatory thesis requirement. Im of the opinion that the large percentage of what we learn in med school is useless in practice so a curriculum geared toward matching the best residancy spots (where you actually learn the shiz youre going to use) is best.

In my mind more mandatory class time + grades = crappy curriculum. PBL of course comes a close second so Cornell is also a kick ass place.
 
Originally posted by PediaSure
The previous poster noted having 4 months to study for boards. thus, another important question to ask about is BOARD PREP. My board prep time was squeezed into 1 month. We had our final set of exams, then a month or so to study for STEP 1 before starting clinicals. It is possible, but hellish at best.

At Penn we take boards after our 3rd year. We start clinics during our second year...

advantage for the boards?😀
 
Yale is DEFINATLY ALL THE WAY for me. But, one also consider that curriculum is best for a certain person's learning style. Thus, a more structured curriculum might be better for one, equally intelligent and physician potential quality person, while a free curriculum like Yale would be better for slackers like me 😉

kreno
 
my winky never popped up in the previous post. well, anyway, i'm being facetious that yale is for slackers! ha 🙂 but, for me, a person who likes independent learning and who wants to have a lot of research background before i practice, yale all the way!

🙂

kreno:clap:
 
anyone have any 411 on ucsd's curriculum
 
By no means does Tufts have the greatest curriculum out there, but it is improving and I can tell you some of the strengths and weakness of it..

Strengths: most syllabi are excellent and well-organized so you don't have to buy a ton of textbooks, tutors available for most classes (esp. during 1st year), no anatomy or physiology until 2nd semester of first year so you have time to adjust, 2nd year curriculum has been changed into a block system (subject and system-based) so that classes end around 12:30 most days, H/P/F grading, excellent USMLE pass rates (96-98%). Big strength=lots of early clinical experience, including Interviewing class first semester of first year, required weekly clinical selectives of student's choice on Tuesday afternoons for students not in combined degree programs, 1 semester Physical Diagnosis course during first year that parallels Gross Anatomy, and 1 semester Physical Diagnosis during latter half of second year where students pair up and go to an affiliated hospital in Massachusetts to learn how to take a history and physical one day a week. oh yeah, most lecturers and teachers during the 2nd year are MD's, I've heard complaints about this not being the case at other schools.

Weaknesses: anatomy staff kind and supportive, but lab is very understaffed and overcrowded most of the time w/ 6 students/cadaver. Physiology lectures are horrendously boring, with poor attendance and a high failure rate that usually requires >10 students to repeat over the summer. not much time off given to study for boards (4 weeks for step 1, 2 for step 2). USMLE I scores not fantastic, just the national average. Limited # of functional computers for library research for PBL and/or e-mail use. Administration is very poor about communicating school and class cancellations via e-mail.
 
Originally posted by UCLA2000
At Penn we take boards after our 3rd year. We start clinics during our second year...

advantage for the boards?😀

That's exactly the way Baylor does it, you start in 2nd semester of 2nd year doing rotations. Step 1 is not required to start rotations and step 2 is not required for graduation.... my 3rd year itnerviewer was studying for Step 1 in January. She had a year of clincis and is going to have another half year before taking it, i think that gives Penn and Baylor kids an advantage.....i like baylor's curriculum you are there 8-12 everyday, but on T/R you have class from 2-4 as well......not bad, when i was there, they mentioned that some kids skipped every class, slept in and came and got the tape for that day's class and watched it at home.....also, no class the week of exams, you get a few days of study time before exams and then 4 days to chill after exams are over......then start the next module..........not bad at all, rather relaxing, since you'll hae that 4 days with absoultely no class and no worries............i guess the one negative is that the curriculum runs from Aug - July......so you have 1 month of summer........

I also like yale's, lots of freedom like Baylor's.......but i guess a bit more since you have anonymous exams.........even so, their kids do well in clincis from what i hear, so even though supposedly their step 1 is lower, they stil get kick a$$ residencies..........so do baylor and penn kids though..........they all have their perks

nero
 
Originally posted by MacGyver
Duke's curriculum is the best. Only 1 year for basic science. The closest competitors are Baylor and Penn, but Duke beats them both out.

I know a Duke student who finished his basic science, his research year adn his clinic year........he's taking a year off before finishing his fourth year to do research and chill....from talking to this guy, he said they left out a lot of info, for step 1 and that he is learign a lot of it for the first time.....also, he felt burnt out after the 11 months since they try to cover 2years in one........however, he said the worst part was year 2 clinics........he said that was brutal...........much worst than the first year.........however, he's taking step 1 after this year off, so it'll be after basic science year, clinc year and 2 years research........basically 2 years to study for step 1...........interesting..........


nero
 
Why would clinicals help you with Step 1? I would think you would lose a lot of the detailed basic science that you know oh so well during the first two years (and never as well again). Yeah, I know the questions are "clinical vignettes" but for the most part aren't they just slightly masked basic science questions?
 
Originally posted by irlandesa
USMLE I scores not fantastic, just the national average.

Is there a central site that lists the USMLE scores by school? Or, if not, where can one find that information?

I've also been trying to find the percentage of students at each school who get their top choice residency.

Any links/info/suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
 
Originally posted by nero
I also like yale's, lots of freedom like Baylor's.......but i guess a bit more since you have anonymous exams.........even so, their kids do well in clincis from what i hear, so even though supposedly their step 1 is lower, they stil get kick a$$ residencies..........so do baylor and penn kids though..........they all have their perks

nero

Penn's students definately kick a$$ on the residency and their board scores are VERY high above the national average.
 
Originally posted by Wednesday
Why would clinicals help you with Step 1? I would think you would lose a lot of the detailed basic science that you know oh so well during the first two years (and never as well again). Yeah, I know the questions are "clinical vignettes" but for the most part aren't they just slightly masked basic science questions?

In the clinics, you reinforce what you learned in the classroom. Sure there are some small details that you will never see again in the clinics, but a lot of the Step 1 questions are very practical and related to our future as clinical practicioners. You see these common types of cases over and over and it becomes strong reinforcement above just reading it once or twice for a test. Also, you will be better able to get through and decipher the actual questions since they are written in clinical context.
 
Originally posted by nero
I know a Duke student who finished his basic science, his research year adn his clinic year........he's taking a year off before finishing his fourth year to do research and chill....from talking to this guy, he said they left out a lot of info, for step 1 and that he is learign a lot of it for the first time.....also, he felt burnt out after the 11 months since they try to cover 2years in one........however, he said the worst part was year 2 clinics........he said that was brutal...........much worst than the first year.........however, he's taking step 1 after this year off, so it'll be after basic science year, clinc year and 2 years research........basically 2 years to study for step 1...........interesting..........

I think it is great to have basic science classes done and out of the way. Penn and Baylor students are able to get into clinics early and have more chances to take clinical electives, take significant time off to study for the boards, and pursue research if that is of interest to them. It does come with some costs, though. It does mean more work during the 15-16 months they are in classes (although the specific way Penn organizes its curriculum in blocks so that learning is more effective and there is less redundancy helps minimize this sense of more work). However, I think doing everything in 11 months like Duke does is way too much information to get through and actually retain (while they do teach less information than Penn and Baylor, it is still proportionately more work per month for sure). Not to mention the high stress levels.
Another vote for Yale up their with Penn and Baylor.
 
That is pretty tight that Baylor and Penn don't have the Step 1 until after clerkships. I don' t mind at all how we do it over here. We go 10 months (September to June), have a two month break, go 7 months (End of August to March), take a consolidation block (board prep and prep for clerkships), take the boards and then start our clerkships in April of our second year. So, we get anywhere from a month to a month and a half to study for the boards. Plenty of time if you ask me. If I was given any more time I would just procrastinate. Having a short finite amount of time will just keep me focused. We finish our required clerkships a little early and it leaves 4th year wide open to lots of electives, away rotations, research, vacation, etc. I kind of want to get the boards over with, so I'm glad I'm not going to have to wait and take them.

Duke's program is one year but they go all the way through the summer (12 months straight right?). I think that would be great if you were really interested in research. Is Penn similar to UCSF as far as the amount of month's spent teaching preclerkship requirements (do you also start clerkships in April of your second year?).

The one additional thing that I like about UCSF is the bang for its buck. 11k/year in fees isn't bad at all.
 
Originally posted by souljah1
Is Penn similar to UCSF as far as the amount of month's spent teaching preclerkship requirements (do you also start clerkships in April of your second year?).

Penn starts rotations Jan. 2 of second year. We have basic science classes (histo, anatomy, micro, biochem, etc) all in the first 5 months of first year. Then after the winter break to the next winter break (minus two months for summer), we learn the anatomy, pharm, path, histo, etc of each organ system and move on to the next organ system. Good way of doing it, makes a lot of sense.
 
I think that one's affinity for the curriculum depends mostly on the personality of the student (ie, which way he learns best).

I am quite fond of the curriculum at UHS-COM. As evidence of its quality consider the following statistics.

The first class to complete two years of this curriculum just took step 1 of their boards. The national passing average on COMLEX 1 was ~89%, UHS average was ~96%. The national first-time-taker's passing average was ~90%, UHS had ~97 first time passing average.

This is a system based curriculum. Within each system, the section progression is based on clinical scenarios. Additionally, UHS is continuously seeking student imput for any problems or improvements they see with the curriculum. For each section there is a CQI (Continous Quality Improvement) team, comprised of the students, which evaluates student comments. Also, the Curriculum Council of the school contains in its membership the vice-president of each class. Thus the curriculum is continuously questioned and revised to provide optimal education.

That's my two cents,
Igor.
 
(guys - i'll handle this one)
meowmix - the school with the best curriculum is clearly Harvard.
the end.
Why? Is it the best curriculum as far as instructional practices or on #'s and statistics?
 
Why? Is it the best curriculum as far as instructional practices or on #'s and statistics?

I think the poster has married and had children by now. Not to mention, I'm sure Harvard's curriculum has changed in the last 11 years.
 
Baylor.

Not even a contest. Hands down the best "hands-on" clinical curriculum as a student. 1.5 yrs pre-clinical curriculum, 2.5 yrs to do core rotations, take Step 1 and do plenty of extra electives if wanted. Ridiculously high Step 1 average. No pressure to take Step 2 CK/CS by any certain time. Only have to have "sat" for the exams prior to graduation. Also, another plug for the best clinical curriculum you can have as a student. Solid County, private and VA hospital rotations. Lots of freedom in choosing rotations. I might be a little biased, but would choose BCM again if given the choice.

Btw, I'm an MS4 at BCM, and just matched into Ortho.
 
Wow, I appreciate the sarcasm and negativity in your responses very much. Despite the relic status of the thread, curricula is ever-evolving and as I look for schools, as someone who is an expert on instructional methodologies and learning potential, I want to know about the learning process to ensure the best possible education for myself. And apparently you still give this thread enough attention to be so snarky. This is my first experience with thus forum and I do not have a good impression.
 
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