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I've never heard of NMM residency. Are they common, and what's the curriculum in the programs? and can a graduate practice as a family physician/hospitalist/primary care, or are they only credentialed to do OMM/MSK stuff? I'm super curious lol

I think U Mich has a combined FM/NMM residency too-- a previous OMM fellow at my school matched there, I believe.

 

[Espressso]

I think U Mich has a combined FM/NMM residency too-- a previous OMM fellow at my school matched there, I believe.

I think its MSU. UMich is MD country lol

 

[Deecee2DO]

What they should do is make the OMM-specific exam only indicated for NMM residency programs, as an entrance exam. Like, you have to take it if you plan to apply to NMM programs.

Then every DO/MD student is required to take the unified step. Make DO's learn OMM at their school and get tested on it during the first two years. And allow MDs who want, to pay themselves and take the OMM exam if they're interested in NMM programs.

That would be ideal.

Heck ya it would be ideal. Ive always been on team “OMM-elective” since day one. But as the wise @Goro always says we signed up for it so stop complaining and hes not wrong! Id rather put up with OMM for 2 years and be a doctor than not be in med school at all.

 

[JSReed]

What they should do is make the OMM-specific exam only indicated for NMM residency programs, as an entrance exam. Like, you have to take it if you plan to apply to NMM programs.

Then every DO/MD student is required to take the unified step. Make DO's learn OMM at their school and get tested on it during the first two years. And allow MDs who want, to pay themselves and take the OMM exam if they're interested in NMM programs.

That would be ideal.

Right but...then the AOA would get a significantly smaller revenue stream. So they really have no reason to try and integrate.

 

[Ho0v-man]

Oh, I pissed someone off? I guess I must be wrong then. Thanks for the advice.

As is typical when the SDN herd mentality goes into full effect, people have been completely misstating what I said, and I wanted to correct the record; that's the only reason I'm still here. Contrary to the many strawmen set up in this thread, I did not say that DO students are all academically inferior, I did not say DOs who only took the COMLEX fared poorly in past matches, and I did not say that the COMLEX's content is identical to the USMLE's.

I acknowledge that I was incorrect on two points: (1) that most DO students don't currently take the Steps (this turns out to be the case for Step 2 but not for Step 1), and (2) that the current DO student passage rate for the Steps is lower than that of MD students. I was using outdated data from a few years back, and I have been corrected.

If there ever comes a time when the COMLEX is eliminated and the USMLE becomes mandatory at DO schools, then I believe my suspicions will be proven correct. We'll see what happens if that day comes. If it doesn't, then this discussion is futile. This will be my final post in this thread.

Hey man I see your points and I think I would have totally agreed with them last year. I’ll just say that next year you’ll be very surprised who in your class isn’t bothering with step 1. Like upper quartile/quintilestudents who are crushing comsaes. Some people really do just want FM, peds, etc and don’t care that the alternative complement pathway yields a C3bBb3b C5 convertase while the classic pathway and lectin pathways yield C4b2b3b.

Edit: this might not be the case if your school is in a major city. If people are trying to stay there then there’s probably way more people trying to take step.

Also, I agree the average score would go down. I’m not too sure about the pass rate. I think the folks that struggle and don’t take it would just have to delay third year like they do at MD schools. But you can’t really do that at a DO school right now when your reasoning is struggling with a test they don’t require. Of course that’s just my opinion which is not provable.

 

[Bonejorno]

Plenty of reasons. Didnt feel like studying pointless BS information on the MCAT just to get a 510+ when its a useless exam. Messed up their college years because of an external circumstance, were immature or simply wanted to enjoy college before real adulting. Location. Scholarships-my roommate in med school was accepted at UCLA and got a full ride to our school. Maybe they actually resonate with DO philosophy (rare but there are some) and chose DO over MD. The differences in avg Step scores for both students are negligible (very close) for those that take step as DO students which is now the majority. Maybe they know they wanted to do primary care and thus didnt feel the need to study the pointless exam known as the MCAT to score a 510+ as noted before. I literally studied for the MCAT just enough to get over a 500 and was accepted back in 2017. In order for a DO to compete with MD for res spot we need to have better Step than MD counterparts that is the reality so Id rather bust my butt on an exam that tests knowledge that is exponentially more relevant and useful than study for MCAT physics and CARS. If someone handed me an MD acceptance i would have taken it in a heartbeat but didnt want to put in the effort in undergrad to do so (you can bet your butt I am putting in the effort now and it shows academically). Im fine with a DO degree-Ill be able to practice medicine in a specialty that is not derm or a surgical sub and im fine with that since i am leaning toward IM sub

You just wrote a whole paragraph full of excuses why you did worse on a standardized test compared to your MD counterparts lol.

By your standards, step should also be pretty pointless. I guarantee you, you won’t be needing the Kreb cycle in your practice.

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

On average, DO students are not as academically inclined as their MD counterparts. I don't see why that is so controversial.

 

[Dr.Bruh]

You're comparing the performance of 100% of MD students with that of the 60% of DO students who opted to take the Step 1 exam. When comparing these two groups, the board passage rate is about the same and the average Step 1 score is only 6 points lower for the latter. However, let's not ignore the remaining 40% of DO students, many of whom were not academically prepared to take the Step exams; had they been confident in their ability to pass or achieve a respectable score on the Step exams, most would've reaped the enormous benefit of taking them.

If all of the DO students who currently opt to not take the Step exams were required to take them, both the DO board passage rate and the average Step scores would almost certainly decrease.

I can tell you that those 40% that don’t take step by in large are not doing so bc they feel “academically unprepared”. Most would pass. 40% of DO students go into FM, IM, Peds. The vast majority of these programs are fine with just a comlex. (Not to mention the hundreds of AOA programs that don’t know squat about usmle). For these students who want those specialties it would be dumb to take step. Extra money and stress when the data shows you don’t need it to match those specialties typically. There’s a large group of girls in my class that’s are full in diehard for Peds and they are basically all top students but probably won’t take step bc it’s not needed. They’d likely score average to above average.

 

[Espressso]

You're comparing the performance of 100% of MD students with that of the 60% of DO students who opted to take the Step 1 exam. When comparing these two groups, the board passage rate is about the same and the average Step 1 score is only 6 points lower for the latter. However, let's not ignore the remaining 40% of DO students, many of whom were not academically prepared to take the Step exams; had they been confident in their ability to pass or achieve a respectable score on the Step exams, most would've reaped the enormous benefit of taking them.

If all of the DO students who currently opt to not take the Step exams were required to take them, both the DO board passage rate and the average Step scores would almost certainly decrease.

I can tell you that those 40% that don’t take step by in large are not doing so bc they feel “academically unprepared”. Most would pass. 40% of DO students go into FM, IM, Peds. The vast majority of these programs are fine with just a comlex. (Not to mention the hundreds of AOA programs that don’t know squat about usmle). For these students who want those specialties it would be dumb to take step. Extra money and stress when the data shows you don’t need it to match those specialties typically. There’s a large group of girls in my class that’s are full in diehard for Peds and they are basically all top students but probably won’t take step bc it’s not needed. They’d likely score average to above average.

Yeah that seems to be the real fallacy with @Osminog 's claims: the 40% of DO's that don't take Step don't do so because they are "not academically prepared". That's a clear stretch. I actually agree with some of your previous points. But when you make claims like that, it really just ruins the entire argument you've put forth. As others have said, there's a whole host of reasons why students decide not to sit for Step. And I'm sure you're aware of that, although you might not want to admit it.

Also, there is a cohort of DO students currently who actually chose to attend a DO school over an MD acceptance (believe it or not). Anectodal, but I know multiple friends from UG that did this. I'd imagine it's safe to assume there are more around the country that did this as well.

Out of curiosity - what year are you? I may have missed this (apologies if so), and I assume you're at an MD school?

From everything you've said, the actual facts remain: the DO's who take Step have a pass rate similar to the MDs, and the average score seems to be within 1 SD.

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

If all DO students had to take Step the average score would drop into the 210s. Pass rate probably wouldn't change much. I'm still not seeing why it's so controversial that DOs on average aren't as academically inclined as their MD counterparts. The numbers literally show this.

And yes, in my anecdotal experience while there are people who don't take Step because they don't think they need to, most that don't forego it because they know they will have a hard time passing. Again, not sure why this idea is causing such angst.

Also I have no idea what this has to do with this thread...

 

[Cath Up]

If all DO students had to take Step the average score would drop into the 210s. Pass rate probably wouldn't change much. I'm still not seeing why it's so controversial that DOs on average aren't as academically inclined as their MD counterparts. The numbers literally show this.

And yes, in my anecdotal experience while there are people who don't take Step because they don't think they need to, most that don't forego it because they know they will have a hard time passing. Again, not sure why this idea is causing such angst.

Also I have no idea what this has to do with this thread...

Fair question but for those of us following your step 1 study progress, I have no idea what this thread has to do with you getting back to work😡

(rooting for you)

 

[Neopolymath]

If all DO students had to take Step the average score would drop into the 210s. Pass rate probably wouldn't change much. I'm still not seeing why it's so controversial that DOs on average aren't as academically inclined as their MD counterparts. The numbers literally show this.

And yes, in my anecdotal experience while there are people who don't take Step because they don't think they need to, most that don't forego it because they know they will have a hard time passing. Again, not sure why this idea is causing such angst.

Also I have no idea what this has to do with this thread...

It hurts people's feelings to say that the average DO student barely getting 500+ on the mcat (a g-loaded exam) isn't as smart as the average MD student getting a 510+ for some reason. Their argument shouldn't be that what you said isn't true because, well, it is. Their argument should be that it doesn't matter as a medical student doesn't need to be super smart to memorize 10000000 facts for step 1. They just have to bust ass.

 

[Deecee2DO]

You just wrote a whole paragraph full of excuses why you did worse on a standardized test compared to your MD counterparts lol.

By your standards, step should also be pretty pointless. I guarantee you, you won’t be needing the Kreb cycle in your practice.

If you are comparing Step to the MCAT in relevance to practicing medicine you are delusional. Completely different exams. One is clinical the other is just well how well you can decipher convoluted passages on angular acceleration-that sounds very useful. It doesnt take someone who has taken step to know that step is more practical than the MCAT. All it takes to excel in medicine at the very least is an avg IQ and work ethic. you dont need to be a genius

 

[Bonejorno]

If you are comparing Step to the MCAT in relevance to practicing medicine you are delusional. Completely different exams. One is clinical the other is just well how well you can decipher convoluted passages on angular acceleration-that sounds very useful. It doesnt take someone who has taken step to know that step is more practical than the MCAT. All it takes to excel in medicine at the very least is an avg IQ and work ethic. you dont need to be a genius

Step 1 is not clinical lol. Also step exams are mostly just random fact memorization that you will never use in real life. Step exams, just like MCAT, are standardized tests to see if you’re likely to pass your boards/med school.

We have very different definitions of excelling if you think just hard work puts you at the same level as someone who is naturally gifted, works hard, and is set up for success by better programs. Maybe that’s the difference between you trying bare minimum of getting 500 on MCAT and blowing it off by saying you’d just be happy in primary care or whatever you were saying as if excelling in primary care is something so easy ‍with someone who actually sets themselves up to excel ‍♂

 

[FourniersGreenGang]

You're comparing the performance of 100% of MD students with that of the 60% of DO students who opted to take the Step 1 exam. When comparing these two groups, the board passage rate is about the same and the average Step 1 score is only 6 points lower for the latter. However, let's not ignore the remaining 40% of DO students, many of whom were not academically prepared to take the Step exams; had they been confident in their ability to pass or achieve a respectable score on the Step exams, most would've reaped the enormous benefit of taking them.

If all of the DO students who currently opt to not take the Step exams were required to take them, both the DO board passage rate and the average Step scores would almost certainly decrease.

Here's the thing about experience being in school though, you get to meet a lot of these people who only took comlex. I'd say more often than not, it's people who would have done great on step and either don't take it due to misinformation, saving money, are applying to fields or geographic locations for which step doesn't necessarily offer much increase in chances, etc. It truly surprises me when I meet DOs who have the above mentioned reasons. Still others are applying to highly competitive specialties like Ortho, NS, or ENT and are set on applying to former AOA programs only, thus only taking the comlex. You'd be surprised how few people don't take step 1 because of an inability to do well on it. It's not like COMLEX is a cakewalk. If you can pass one, there's a good chance you can pass the other.

 

[Ho0v-man]

Here's the thing about experience being in school though, you get to meet a lot of these people who only took comlex. I'd say more often than not, it's people who would have done great on step and either don't take it due to misinformation, saving money, are applying to fields or geographic locations for which step doesn't necessarily offer much increase in chances, etc. It truly surprises me when I meet DOs who have the above mentioned reasons. Still others are applying to highly competitive specialties like Ortho, NS, or ENT and are set on applying to former AOA programs only, thus only taking the comlex. You'd be surprised how few people don't take step 1 because of an inability to do well on it. It's not like COMLEX is a cakewalk. If you can pass one, there's a good chance you can pass the other.

This. If you only read SDN you would believe everyone not taking step is afraid of failing. There surely are people like that in the comlex only club, but its far from the minority. I agree with anatomy greys post about it falling to the 210s range but even then, thats just two guys making guesses about their own schools.

 

[Deecee2DO]

Step 1 is not clinical lol. Also step exams are mostly just random fact memorization that you will never use in real life. Step exams, just like MCAT, are standardized tests to see if you’re likely to pass your boards/med school.

We have very different definitions of excelling if you think just hard work puts you at the same level as someone who is naturally gifted, works hard, and is set up for success by better programs. Maybe that’s the difference between you trying bare minimum of getting 500 on MCAT and blowing it off by saying you’d just be happy in primary care or whatever you were saying as if excelling in primary care is something so easy ‍with someone who actually sets themselves up to excel ‍♂

I dont want to do primary care you should read my posts. I want to do an IM subspecialty and i barely got over a 500 because the mcat is useless. I am top quartile in my class BECAUSE i want to d well on Step and step and preclinical grades have a positive correlation. So i would say i am excelling for where im at in med school because i bust my tail since I care about my step score not the MCAT. End of discussion

 

[ricksimmonsrafowens]

I dont want to do primary care you should read my posts. I want to do an IM subspecialty and i barely got over a 500 because the mcat is useless. I am top quartile in my class BECAUSE i want to d well on Step and step and preclinical grades have a positive correlation. So i would say i am excelling for where im at in med school because i bust my tail since I care about my step score not the MCAT. End of discussion

this is the saddest post I've read on sdn.

 

[Bonejorno]

I dont want to do primary care you should read my posts. I want to do an IM subspecialty and i barely got over a 500 because the mcat is useless. I am top quartile in my class BECAUSE i want to d well on Step and step and preclinical grades have a positive correlation. So i would say i am excelling for where im at in med school because i bust my tail since I care about my step score not the MCAT. End of discussion

Lol. Good luck

 

[ThreeCheers]

How come every time the NBME comes up with some radical new proposal, the NBOME has to breathe down their neck all "Yeah, great idea! Let's do that too!!"? First with the CS/PE, and now with the P/F idea.

Thank God I have already graduated and don't have to worry about this stuff anymore.

 

[BorntobeDO?]

How come every time the NBME comes up with some radical new proposal, the NBOME has to breathe down their neck all "Yeah, great idea! Let's do that too!!"? First with the CS/PE, and now with the P/F idea.

Thank God I have already graduated and don't have to worry about this stuff anymore.

I am pretty sure they are actually in the discussions for NBME as well. At least the article seemed to imply that. It would be cool with me if COMLEX went pass/fail.

 

[hallowmann]

@BorntobeDO? Wanted to update you since I know we discussed this is one of the other threads. I finally got some time to do this:

DO Match Rate 2019

A few things: -Here are the 2016-2018 threads for reference - DO match rate 2016, DO match rate 2017, DO match rate 2018 -These numbers are all based on published reports. Reports sometimes have errors. Either way, hopefully this is useful. -This says nothing about the type of GME attained. Some...

forums.studentdoctor.net

Overall, it actually looks pretty good for Class of 2019. Time will tell with 2020 though.

 

[68PGUN]

There's always some cheeky OMS1 or pre-med every year who literally craps on their seniors or thinks they know better by rehashing some common false rhetorics that have been pervasive on these boards. As always, they will always calm down as they start classes and then get humble once they're prepping for boards near the end of their second year.

COMLEX isn't an inferior test to the USMLE. The curve has been reseted at a higher scale now, not the once plebeian standard that was enjoyed by those of us that took the test 3-4 years ago. I know many colleagues who busted 230+ on USMLE Step 1 and got 4xx on COMLEX 1. If my colleagues are of any indications, I'm not convinced that the current average DO average on USMLE Step 1 will be far from the national average if our class education is more geared towards USMLE Step 1 and ample time for research instead of useless time spent in OMM.

M 2 cents. Just someone who's will be done from the DO PoPo by the end of Feb 2020.

 

[Cheeni17]

There's always some cheeky OMS1 or pre-med every year who literally craps on their seniors or thinks they know better by rehashing some common false rhetorics that have been pervasive on these boards. As always, they will always calm down as they start classes and then get humble once they're prepping for boards near the end of their second year.

COMLEX isn't an inferior test to the USMLE. The curve has been reseted at a higher scale now, not the once plebeian standard that was enjoyed by those of us that took the test 3-4 years ago. I know many colleagues who busted 230+ on USMLE Step 1 and got 4xx on COMLEX 1. If my colleagues are of any indications, I'm not convinced that the current average DO average on USMLE Step 1 will be far from the national average if our class education is more geared towards USMLE Step 1 and ample time for research instead of useless time spent in OMM.

M 2 cents. Just someone who's will be done from the DO PoPo by the end of Feb 2020.

Depending on the year it may not be inferior as in which is easier to pass but when it comes to standard setting and quality control of questions it is inferior. The fact the NBOME cannot keep scores relatively similar each year is a red flag. Just wait till you take comlex level three if you want a really poorly written exam.
It can’t be that difficult to keep the average at least some what stable eh?

 

[Ho0v-man]

All I can say is thank god for step. The comlex could be half as hard or twice as hard. It’ll never matter. A good score on comlex is too different year to year for that number to be of any value to anyone.

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

All I can say is thank god for step. The comlex could be half as hard or twice as hard. It’ll never matter. A good score on comlex is too different year to year for that number to be of any value to anyone.

The only caveat is surgical subspecialties where your only chance is essentially in the former DO programs who won't care about your Step score. If you want ortho or ENT you absolutely have to do well on COMLEX.

 

[bengx]

Talk about the training quality in a 200 beds hospital. Good luck in the training.

 

[Cheeni17]

The only caveat is surgical subspecialties where your only chance is essentially in the former DO programs who won't care about your Step score. If you want ortho or ENT you absolutely have to do well on COMLEX.

For now anyway. We will have to see where we are in ten years. I know a few ortho progs who are starting to require usmle but a majority prob are not. Former aoa of course

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

Talk about the training quality in a 200 beds hospital. Good luck in the training.

There are traditional ACGME programs at 200 bed hospitals... I personally know of a General Surgery program at a hospital with 180 beds.... not former AOA, they have always been ACGME.

For now anyway. We will have to see where we are in ten years. I know a few ortho progs who are starting to require usmle but a majority prob are not. Former aoa of course

They don't require USMLE for their DO applicants.... I am not aware of any former DO program that is doing that... and I have been paying close attention to the DO ortho world. I do agree we don't know what everything will look like in 10 years.

 

[ricksimmonsrafowens]

There are traditional ACGME programs at 200 bed hospitals... I personally know of a General Surgery program at a hospital with 180 beds....

Yep, but the training at these programs is usually "different" in comparison to large academic centers. More autonomy maybe, but less variety, less exposure to sub-specialties, limited fellowship opportunity, no really sick patients, having to do multiple out rotations for pediatrics surg, surg onc, trauma, etc. These programs may be right for some, but imo residency should challenge you with variety and diversity of patient presentation.

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

Yep, but the training at these programs is usually "different" in comparison to large academic centers. More autonomy maybe, but less variety, less exposure to sub-specialties, limited fellowship opportunity, no really sick patients, having to do multiple out rotations for pediatrics surg, surg onc, trauma, etc. These programs may be right for some, but imo residency should challenge you with variety and diversity of patient presentation.

The program I am thinking of has great fellowship placement and only do like 4 months of out rotations... not my cup of tea personally but they seem to be doing just fine.

My point is that painting with a broad brush of "hospitals with x amount of beds or less have bad training" is useless. My other point is that people like to throw out stuff like that to argue that AOA programs have inferior training when there are just as many ACGME programs with the exact same set up.

 

[ricksimmonsrafowens]

The program I am thinking of has great fellowship placement and only do like 4 months of out rotations... not my cup of tea personally but they seem to be doing just fine.

My point is that painting with a broad brush of "hospitals with x amount of beds or less have bad training" is useless. My other point is that people like to throw out stuff like that to argue that AOA programs have inferior training when there are just as many ACGME programs with the exact same set up.

do they match peds? surg onc? I've interviewed at great community hospitals for a gen surg residency and the residents/PDs will tell the applicants outright that if they're interested in ped surg or academic surg onc or whatever else that requires an academic background that this will not be the right program for them. Community hospital residencies are great for a specific kind of applicant that's all. If the applicant is interested in private practice MIS or community gen surg then community program may be the right for them.
Usually # of beds is a good metric to consider for prospective residents. It's not that less beds equates to inferior training, but it can impact the variety and diversity of cases at the hospital. I've rotated in both academic 900-1000+ bed hospitals and community/academic 200+ bed hospitals and they are very different in how they treat the complex patient. Because of that, I knew going forward that in residency I would want to train at a large academic hospital with complex patients because I love ICU/critical care and difficult cases. I do not want to do out rotations for anything. I want to be able to learn from faculty who are well respected in the field. But that's not everyone.

No one is saying former AOA programs are inferior to ACGME. There are plenty of terrifying ACGME accredited programs with dubious training. These do tend to be at smaller hospitals (not a given though). There are also many amazing community programs at smaller hospitals that provide great training and emphasize autonomy. I suggest that applicants figure out what they want in their training program and apply accordingly. Disappointment comes from a misalignment in expectations v reality. If an applicant wants an academic GI fellowship following their IM residency, they should rank programs that will facilitate that goal. A 150 bed community hospital with no academic faculty likely won't help that applicant in obtaining the GI placement they desire without some intense effort on the applicants part.

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

do they match peds? surg onc? I've interviewed at great community hospitals for a gen surg residency and the residents/PDs will tell the applicants outright that if they're interested in ped surg or academic surg onc or whatever else that requires an academic background that this will not be the right program for them. Community hospital residencies are great for a specific kind of applicant that's all. If the applicant is interested in private practice MIS or community gen surg then community program may be the right for them.
Usually # of beds is a good metric to consider for prospective residents. It's not that less beds equates to inferior training, but it can impact the variety and diversity of cases at the hospital. I've rotated in both academic 900-1000+ bed hospitals and community/academic 200+ bed hospitals and they are very different in how they treat the complex patient. Because of that, I knew going forward that in residency I would want to train at a large academic hospital with complex patients because I love ICU/critical care and difficult cases. I do not want to do out rotations for anything. I want to be able to learn from faculty who are well respected in the field. But that's not everyone.

No one is saying former AOA programs are inferior to ACGME. There are plenty of terrifying ACGME accredited programs with dubious training. These do tend to be at smaller hospitals (not a given though). There are also many amazing community programs at smaller hospitals that provide great training and emphasize autonomy. I suggest that applicants figure out what they want in their training program and apply accordingly. Disappointment comes from a misalignment in expectations v reality. If an applicant wants an academic GI fellowship following their IM residency, they should rank programs that will facilitate that goal. A 150 bed community hospital with no academic faculty likely won't help that applicant in obtaining the GI placement they desire without some intense effort on the applicants part.

I think we agree on all these points actually. There are definitely different focuses at different types of programs, my point is that just because they are different doesn't mean one is worse than the other. The program I'm talking about is about 50/50 fellowship to private practice and the fellowships include MIS, Thoracic, Plastics, and yes Surg Onc. No peds though.

Are you a DO student?

 

[ricksimmonsrafowens]

I think we agree on all these points actually. There are definitely different focuses at different types of programs, my point is that just because they are different doesn't mean one is worse than the other. The program I'm talking about is about 50/50 fellowship to private practice and the fellowships include MIS, Thoracic, Plastics, and yes Surg Onc. No peds though.

Are you a DO student?

I'm an MS4 md. There will always be people who will take a poop on your accomplishments and whatever program you match to. My advice is to only rank programs you are comfortable attending and that will give you the training you are looking for and then be confident that whatever program you match into will fulfill your needs.

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

That's probably the worst decision they'll make during their med school career lol.

Why is it people like to crap on other people if they decide to go into a less competitive specialty with good stats?

 

[DrStephenStrange]

That's probably the worst decision they'll make during their med school career lol.

How do you know that's not what they really wanted to do?

 

[68PGUN]

Why is it people like to crap on other people if they decide to go into a less competitive specialty with good stats?

I had a similar thought about this, but there are certain things that are best left unsaid.

But, this is one of those things that I hate so much about the culture in medicine. Physicians from one field always like to crap on others for various reasons from premed to med school to residency and then to attending.

Personal happiness would be much better and burnout would be less if people in general just focus on their general happiness and drown out the noises.

 

[Neopolymath]

Guys he was saying it was a mistake not to take USMLE not go into peds. Come on...

 

[Neopolymath]

68PG good to see you around.

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

Wooooooosh. Y'all apply to residencies w/o usmle scores and see your results.

Applying to peds w/o usmle will still handicap them to the bottom quarter of applicants right off the bat.

Yeah definiteliy woosh, although even on second read it was still unclear what you were saying that to. But yes I agree with you on that point. Anyone that can get over a 210 on Step should take Step.

 

[DrStephenStrange]

Wooooooosh. Y'all apply to residencies w/o usmle scores and see your results.

Applying to peds w/o usmle will still handicap them to the bottom quarter of applicants right off the bat.

I wasn't talking about not taking the USMLE.

 

[BorntobeDO?]

I had a similar thought about this, but there are certain things that are best left unsaid.

But, this is one of those things that I hate so much about the culture in medicine. Physicians from one field always like to crap on others for various reasons from premed to med school to residency and then to attending.

Personal happiness would be much better and burnout would be less if people in general just focus on their general happiness and drown out the noises.

Wait a tick, your not the same as p68gunner are you? Got me breaking the sabbatical just to check up. I agree completely with your point either way.

Since this is my thread, I will say that 19 did much better than I expected on placement. I hope the trend continues next year even without a bunch of AOA programs to roll in the match.

 

[68PGUN]

Wait a tick, your not the same as p68gunner are you? Got me breaking the sabbatical just to check up. I agree completely with your point either way.

Since this is my thread, I will say that 19 did much better than I expected on placement. I hope the trend continues next year even without a bunch of AOA programs to roll in the match.

The one and only. Best of you to you on the upcoming match. We're going to rock it!

 

[BorntobeDO?]

The one and only. Best of you to you on the upcoming match. We're going to rock it!

Well call me jimmy. Maybe I wont check out completely, I was thinking this place was doomed after queen was gone. Beginning to think I was the only one gunning for rural FM anymore. Excellent to see you back. Still need to sabbatical for boards, but I think I will add in some breaks just to keep up.