Who's doing the ABPN Pilot Project?

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Who's doing the MOC Pilot program?

  1. I'm not eligible

  2. Yes, I'll give it a try

  3. No

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  1. wolfvgang22

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    While I really like the idea of never taking another MOC exam, I'm not sure taking one for the team and doing the open book article tests from 2019 to 2021 makes sense for me, especially since you have to get 100% on those article questions or be forced to take the exam anyway with only two chances to pass.

    My next MOC exam is due in 2023 and the ABPN FAQ says they plan to start giving everybody the option of doing article quizes instead of the traditional exam in 2022, so I'm thinking I can just wait and see how bad the article quizes are and choose my poison in 2023.
     
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    Thinking about it.
     
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    I think I'm just outside of the date of eligibility. Mixed feelings about it, to be honest.
     
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    Not relevant to me, but I ran the numbers on an earlier post and it didn't look like a good idea. Because of the way the test is structured, if you want to have the same 99% odds of passing as people who take the written test, you have to have at least a 98% chance of getting any given question right.
     
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    I thought you only needed to answer 4 out of 5 questions on each quiz correctly to pass. This whole thing is confusing. You have to find the articles on your own and pay for that.
     
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    You can do up to 40 CME articles before you run out of chances, is my understanding. Worst case scenario, I don't pass and I have to study for the exam which is what I'd have to do anyway. I'm not worried about not passing so it is not a big deal.
     
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    My main concern would be the cost of the 30 to 40 articles that would need to be reviewed to complete this project. I don't understand why ABPN is not covering the cost of these articles, which could potentially run into hundreds or perhaps even thousands of dollars beyond the cost incurred for MOC and taking the MOC test.
     
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    As an aside, what do people out in the world do to get article access? I'm fortunate that our med school provides ongoing medical library / full-text after graduation (and I'm still in residency where we have similar resources). I have a hard time imagining that anyone pays $50+++ a pop for articles having only read the ****ty abstract...
     
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    See if you can get an alumni library account through your med school or undergraduate institution. There will be some kind of yearly fee but should absolutely be worth it.
     
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    I took the MOC exam last year and would much rather take it again in 9 years than do this lame pilot project
     
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    I don't see the downside in signing up. If you complete it, you don't have to cram and take a day off to test. If you don't, just take the test.
     
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    So we pay the yearly fees for moc, pay for the articles, and if you dont pass the articles, the test is already paid for with the yearly fees? Or are there more fees for the exam?

    I am due for renewal in 2022 so would the articles be enough to not have to take the test, provided they are passed? Are there cme credits for the articles?

    This is too confusing. I may just go with npbas.
     
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    Got this email from the ABPN
    I went ahead and signed up. I figure there's nothing to lose, because if the questions are **** I can just drop out of the pilot.
     
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    No real skin in this game, but the MOC test pass rate is 98%. Unless you are the dumbest psychiatrist in every room you stand in, you really don't need to study. On the other hand, I like the idea of reading articles and answering questions. This is much more likely to teach doctors something than assuming they study for a test 98% of people pass. Since reading is something we should all be doing anyway, I would suggest the pilot. I do get the projected hate towards doing anything for the ABPN who makes these tasks that are inflicted on us. If I were king of the ABPN, I would start grading psychiatrist's test performance and make them put As, Bs or Cs in their windows like restaurants. Wouldn't that be fun. Since the task is to certify people, they have to keep the bar very low, but then that makes the whole process meaningless. At least a reading curriculum has a chance at making some difference.
     
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    It would be nice if we could earn some CME reading these articles, too.
     
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    So the MOC exam is pretty easy?
     
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    Can you just drop out with no penalty?
     
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    Yes.
     
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    For me, on a scale of 1 to 10, if USMLE Step 1 were a 10, I would give the board certification exam a 5.5. For me PRITE exams were about the same difficulty as the board exam.

    I'm just so damn tired of tests, tests, tests. I welcome trying the new MOC journal article open book test approach.
     
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    Yes, the psych moc has a higher pass rate than other specialties
     
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    Michael,

    Thanks for your response.

    Do you know what the pass rate is for the psychiatry MOC exam?

    I am considering doing the Pilot Project as I am dreading reviewing a bunch of material I no longer use, such as child psychiatry. I easily passed the initial certification exam, if the MOC exam is really a lot easier maybe I should just do that.
     
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    the pass rate was 98 % in 2016; and it is usually in the high 90's.
     
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    I'm in it. Can't really tell you much so far. The questions for the journal articles aren't available till January.
     
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    I've got all the articles if you need them.
     
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    I'm in. I have to do general and child and adolescent. The article list for child was much easier to get. I still have a WA license, and that lets me use the HEAL-WA resources, plus AACAP membership gets me JAACAP. I think I got 38 or 39 of the child articles for free. I am not an APA member and couldn't get even 30 articles. I guess I have to splurge on APA membership.
     

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