typeB-md said:
you should've tried a little harder and gone to medical school. don't project your insecurities onto others when you have only yourself to blame.
you can't practice without medical direction oversight. your 4 year degree is useless as no one learns anything practical in undergrad. and 2 years is a joke... get with the program and realize that most doctors see anywhere from 7 to 12 years post-bac.
i can't stand ancillary staff always whining. do your job so that we don't have to always pick up your slack and finish your notes.
I agree MR. MD man, the undergrad education of the typical pre-med student (be it bio, physics or chemistry) is pretty darn worthless. I should know, I took all the classes......and even got into medical school.
But, the coursework that many PA students accomplished in undergrad can be of lots of worth. Take for example my sports medicine specialty in kinesiology.......1 year general A&P a systems breakdown, one year of Excercise specific physiology.... (circulatory, Pulmonary, and muscular function in DETAIL) One year of Structual anatomy (muskuloskeletal, and nervous specific) courses in tissue damage, wound management and response (chemical to gross) course in modalities and pharmacology basics for inflammation and tissue repair .. course in basic emergency medicine, Hmmm what else......
This stuff wasn't worthless at all, YES, physics and chem and ochem are pretty worthless in the grand scheme of things, you probably got into medical school and you didn't know anything about a human body until after your first semester.....
Also, you should realize...... 2 years of PA school, is 27 months... STRAIGHT,
Medical school is four years....... the general college schedule, 4 months, then a break, 4 months and then a summer break (repeat) thats only 16 months of didactic!, then do rotations, and I have been told by MANY people , that after you take step II, 4th year rotations get to be lazy, so you slack off, spending large chunks of time interviewing at residencies.... maybe of the possible 16 months of rotations, you use 12 of them efficiently...(just a guess)
Mr.MD man, you do the math......... it appears to me that the lenght of the medical school education might be a whole bunch closer to the lenght of the PA school education then you want to say..... break it down by hours, and the PA student might spend more time.... (8 hour days in class 5 days a week), Never really thought that hard about it, because we all know, a DR. doesn't learn anything about being a Dr. in medical school, it really starts in residency.......
PA's become PA's because of the working model, it fits some people really well. It's becoming more competetive to get into PA schook then it is for medical school..... (smaller class sizes, and an ever increasing applicant pool and now people with 4.0's who were ready to apply to medical school but decided being a PA was more financially practical, and for people that don't really desire to make 250-400K grand, a perfect route to a medical career, it might do you some good to meet a PA that schools you, there are plenty out there..... people who spend their first four or five years on the job SUCKING knowledge.... similar to what a resident does, no?
It's not about, trying harder.......... or being a medical school rejectee, maybe the anger comes from meeting PA's who invested 1/3 the post-bacc time as you, and is content at making 1/3 the salary as you, yet might be 90% as proficient as you.....and you scratch you head, and you realize, HEck Dr's aren't even allowed to speed and get out of speeding tickets anymore, and I have so much hassle to deal with then I get my own practice... how am I going to make sure I get paid, will the patients just magically show up at my door and need high paying procedures? Am I upset that I didn't get my Derms residency, because I was overlwhelmed my first year in school, and now a Derms PA is working a 9-4 day, and making six figures....... Hmmm, maybe I will go to SD.Net and BASH PA's because they must all be stooooopid, for not going to medical school, they can't possibly know what I know, because they aren't me!
I know this became "angry" and very rant-like, but Mr.MD you are just a person, like everyone else, you just happened to spend a lot of time in school, so BE proud of the things you know, that a PA might not know, but.....don't ever talk down to anyone, you never know who they're related to....and you never know who gets revengeful when they are talked down to.... make friends, and think outside the box..and the title "ancillary staff" is so pathetic, if you judge a persons knowledge by their education, then you might as well talk down to MD's with a shorter residency and fellowship, and you should grovel at any MD with a longer residency/fellowship,.... something tells me, anyone with an MD/DO is a colleague, yet the different in time of education between yourselves, is often greater then the difference in the education of a PA, and some Physicians!
You have to do an ANOVA on these variables, not just a blanketed opinion.
Ciao.....
*** This rant was not checked for grammar or spelling, and even if I did, I don't know proper grammar, or how to spell anyway**