Why isn't there a "What Are My Chances?" DO subforum?

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You can change the title of the thread btw.

But yah, it would probably be a lot better then having a single major thread. But I think the MD section's one is supposed to be the only one for both MD and DO.
 
serenade said:
You can change the title of the thread btw.

But yah, it would probably be a lot better then having a single major thread. But I think the MD section's one is supposed to be the only one for both MD and DO.
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I get that it's supposed to be the only WAMC for both MD and DO, but it's called a Pre-Allo subforum and its not linked in the Pre-DO forum. :/
 
This same question was asked maybe a month ago. The mod said that the pre-allo has it's own because there ate many more people and more responses. I think the DO WAMC thread has a small fraction of the amount of responses as the MD.

I can't pull up the thead now cus I'm on my iPod but if u do a search you'll find it.
 
Skippygonenuts said:
This same question was asked maybe a month ago. The mod said that the pre-allo has it's own because there ate many more people and more responses. I think the DO WAMC thread has a small fraction of the amount of responses as the MD.

I can't pull up the thead now cus I'm on my iPod but if u do a search you'll find it.
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Correct.
 
Skippygonenuts said:
This same question was asked maybe a month ago. The mod said that the pre-allo has it's own because there ate many more people and more responses. I think the DO WAMC thread has a small fraction of the amount of responses as the MD.

I can't pull up the thead now cus I'm on my iPod but if u do a search you'll find it.
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Maybe it would get more responses if it existed? It would provide a place to post the chances threads instead of in the main forum and provide some continuity with the MD page. When I looked yesterday there were at least 3 or 4 threads on the main page by people looking for school advice etc.
Just a thought, it doesn't seem like it should be a big deal to create an additional subforum.
 
And when I personally look at the "what are your chances thread" I see there is 1,000+ posts, get overwhelmed, and say "screw it, I am not even opening it." I am sure others say this.
 
I really, REALLY wish there was a subforum for pre-DO WAMC threads.
 
i think especially with the DO = MD fact all SDN older members try to state across the forums, it would be a good way to get the DO idea more accessible for dumb a** pre med gunners, before they start threads about asking whether a DO is the same as a chiropractor..and whether they ll be able to specialize etc.

So totally second the idea to create the WAMC DO forum. Lets doooo it! i think this would be the best time as well, since the application cycle is just picking up and people are going to be posting in the WAMC a lot!
 
FrkyBgStok said:
And when I personally look at the "what are your chances thread" I see there is 1,000+ posts, get overwhelmed, and say "screw it, I am not even opening it." I am sure others say this.
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I know I usually stay away from it because it is so disorganized and confusing cramming everyones separate posts into one...
 
hopeinternist said:
So totally second the idea to create the WAMC DO forum. Lets doooo it! i think this would be the best time as well, since the application cycle is just picking up and people are going to be posting in the WAMC a lot!
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How do we do it? I'll start chanting FORUM FORUM FORUM!
 
Thanks Bacchus!

I would also like to lend my support for establishing a DO WAMC subforum. You can get much more individualized attention in there and I feel that DO WAMC cases are unique enough from MD WAMC to warrant its own forum.
 
I am definitely in support of a DO WAMC subforum as well.


Often times, I start posting in a thread. Then, that thread gets mergede into the WAMC thread. When this happens, that thread is basically dead to me, and I stop following the conversation.
 
drdre2001 said:
i am definitely in support of a do wamc subforum as well.


Often times, i start posting in a thread. Then, that thread gets mergede into the wamc thread. When this happens, that thread is basically dead to me, and i stop following the conversation.
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+1
 
Put in the suggestion, I did. The more people suggest it the more likely it will happen.
 
drdre2001 said:
i am definitely in support of a do wamc subforum as well.


Often times, i start posting in a thread. Then, that thread gets mergede into the wamc thread. When this happens, that thread is basically dead to me, and i stop following the conversation.
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+3
 
I'm in favor of a WAMC subforum, as well. Often times when I scroll through the WAMC subforum in the allopathic section, I look for the threads that are the most relevant to me. Im a CA resident, so tend to answer questions regarding chances from students of my state. I would have no idea how to answer someone's question say from NJ regarding their chances at an east coast school.

When I read the WAMC thread in the DO section, it is so cluttered that I don't want to navigate through it. I'm sure others feel the same and I think this results in posters potentially missing out on some really good advice.
 
Hope we are getting this subforum soon.
 
Just going to add my perspective here... I think that a while ago, not having a separate subforum made sense. However, in recent years there have been more DO schools and more people open to applying to DO programs. Since the applicant pool is only going to continue to grow, a subforum for WAMC seems prudent.
 
I rallied for one last season. That huge conglomerate thread is a mess.
 
We discussed this in the moderators forum. We've come to a consensus that pre-Osteopathic does not warrant a WAMC subforum at this time. Other suggestions have been made independent of this thread and they may be discussed at a further time.

The primary reason we do not warrant a subforum at this time is the lack of traffic to the compared forum in pre-Allopathic. We expect less traffic, but we also realize that despite this, the traffic of WAMC are still very low.

If you're afraid of losing conversation in the "mega"thread try using bookmarks, subscribing to posts, or other techniques available to keep current on the conversation. You can go to the last post you read in a thread and continue from there by clicking the icon that points down immediately before (to the left) of the thread title.
 
Bacchus said:
We discussed this in the moderators forum. We've come to a consensus that pre-Osteopathic does not warrant a WAMC subforum at this time. Other suggestions have been made independent of this thread and they may be discussed at a further time.

The primary reason we do not warrant a subforum at this time is the lack of traffic to the compared forum in pre-Allopathic. We expect less traffic, but we also realize that despite this, the traffic of WAMC are still very low.

If you're afraid of losing conversation in the "mega"thread try using bookmarks, subscribing to posts, or other techniques available to keep current on the conversation. You can go to the last post you read in a thread and continue from there by clicking the icon that points down immediately before (to the left) of the thread title.
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Does it cost SDN more money or something to create a subforum?
I think the point people were trying to get across was there would be more traffic if people could access individual theads to comment on.
Additionally the lack of traffic doesn't seem to be a good argument as there are entire forums that get very little traffic yet exist with people posting every once in a while.
I'd really like to know how the real discussion went, if it took place at all.
 
Yes, discussion did take place, and to be quite frank the discussion thread had more responses than this thread did which is why it took a while to come to a consensus. The mod staff on SDN does not make a habit of deceiving members and we do take your suggestions quite seriously; discussion sometimes takes a while as we weigh pros and cons, look up history of the issue at hand, etc.
 
Bacchus said:
We discussed this in the moderators forum. We've come to a consensus that pre-Osteopathic does not warrant a WAMC subforum at this time. Other suggestions have been made independent of this thread and they may be discussed at a further time.

The primary reason we do not warrant a subforum at this time is the lack of traffic to the compared forum in pre-Allopathic. We expect less traffic, but we also realize that despite this, the traffic of WAMC are still very low.

If you're afraid of losing conversation in the "mega"thread try using bookmarks, subscribing to posts, or other techniques available to keep current on the conversation. You can go to the last post you read in a thread and continue from there by clicking the icon that points down immediately before (to the left) of the thread title.
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Of course there is less traffic than the allo forum. But on the flip side there is WAY too much traffic to just smoosh everything into a single thread.
I'm also curious as to some of the physician sub forums where there is maybe a single post a week, if it is a "lack of traffic" issue.
Oh well, maybe next year...
 
At the risk of putting a target on my back.... I own a few vbulletin forums (same software as this one) and it literally takes 5 seconds to add a new subforum and is free.

I've been watching this thread as a lurker, as I'm sure others have. The WAMC thread is a hot mess...its size discourages people from posting in it and responding to it. That's the only reason I haven't used it...it's too hard to deal with.

It's a 5 second fix and everyone's happy. It won't cause any harm or new troubles whatsoever. New thread created outside of the subforum? Move it to the subforum just as you'd have to merge it into the thread anyway. Same amount of clicks. It really is a petty thing.

I'm not saying new subforums should be handed out right and left...but in my opinion, the benefits for this one outweigh any trouble in the creation and management of it. Plus, allo has one, osteo should have one too. Equality!!

<runs for cover>
 
FYI: there is still discussion taking place for alternatives. We realize this has been brought up almost every year for the past several years, and as before just because we have a preliminary decision does not mean it may be the final decision as we search and discuss other solutions. But decisions are not made overnight and we discuss changes to the forums very seriously and look at many alternatives. (i.e. don't expect any other change overnight but be aware we're still talking about possibilities.)
 
another reason you see less need for it is because many of the seasoned members know not to start a 'what are my chances' thread. i am curious about my chances, but i won't go near that wamc insanity because i know people avoid it. and i am only applying osteopathic (next season) so there is no need at all to post in the pre-allo forum.
 
ShyRem said:
FYI: there is still discussion taking place for alternatives. We realize this has been brought up almost every year for the past several years, and as before just because we have a preliminary decision does not mean it may be the final decision as we search and discuss other solutions. But decisions are not made overnight and we discuss changes to the forums very seriously and look at many alternatives. (i.e. don't expect any other change overnight but be aware we're still talking about possibilities.)
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So I'm thinking here are the possible options/alternatives with their downsides/upsides. I'll break it down from a vbulletin admin standpoint. Feel free to add this to the private forum discussion between mods.

Create a new subforum.
Downsides: A couple minutes to create it and assign moderators at most.
Upsides: (1) No more yearly threads about when there will be a DO WAMC subforum. (2) More people posting and responding to WAMC posts = more HELP for users who need it (isn't that what SDN is for?) (3) All reasons already mentioned in this thread.
Moot Point: Traffic (or lack thereof). Other subforums receive much, much less. Traffic will actually increase and there will be more responses per WAMC post. A (currently) 946 post thread whose sole purpose is to help 1 person at a time is ridiculous.

Send the new DO subforum to the MD subforum.
Use the Forum Link option in Add New Forum page to just send it to the MD WAMC subforum
Downsides: (1) Confusion (2) more bickering about MD vs DO (3) You're already in the Add New Forum page so you might as well just add the subforum.
Upsides: At least the posts are separated and easier to follow. Even could add a DO: or MD: prefix like the for sale forum (FS: WTB🙂

New WAMC Thread Each Month.
Downsides: Possibility to have multiple WAMC at the top of the thread list at any given time unless they're locked.
Upsides: Somewhat easier to navigate through and respond to, but not really.

I don't really see any other options. Creating a new subforum really is just easiest for all parties involved. It's so much more organized and helpful to the users. Again, SDN is here to help, right? What's more helpful than people getting individual attention to their cases? It's a minute fix, really.

Sorry if I'm overstepping my bounds.
 
ShyRem said:
Yes, discussion did take place, and to be quite frank the discussion thread had more responses than this thread did which is why it took a while to come to a consensus. The mod staff on SDN does not make a habit of deceiving members and we do take your suggestions quite seriously; discussion sometimes takes a while as we weigh pros and cons, look up history of the issue at hand, etc.
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Out of curiosity, what were the cons?
 
sustentacular said:
Out of curiosity, what were the cons?
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The lack of traffic. It is not helpful to have forums that get very little use and we remove forums that do not have enough postings to justify their separation from the rest of the forums.

That said, we are still discussing this and exploring various options to provide the WAMC outlet that you are requesting.
 
DrMom said:
The lack of traffic. It is not helpful to have forums that get very little use and we remove forums that do not have enough postings to justify their separation from the rest of the forums.

That said, we are still discussing this and exploring various options to provide the WAMC outlet that you are requesting.
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There are a lot of sub forums (not under pre-med category) that get little to no traffic. Not sure why this is an issue.
Community Medicine has 22 posts in 2+ years, I'm sure a WAMCs subforum here would do that in a few days.
 
DrMom said:
The lack of traffic. It is not helpful to have forums that get very little use and we remove forums that do not have enough postings to justify their separation from the rest of the forums.

That said, we are still discussing this and exploring various options to provide the WAMC outlet that you are requesting.
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Maybe a subforum could be created on a trial basis to see what kind of traffic it gets? I dont think the traffic on the one mega thread is entirely representative of how a subforum would fare.
 
sustentacular said:
Maybe a subforum could be created on a trial basis to see what kind of traffic it gets? I dont think the traffic on the one mega thread is entirely representative of how a subforum would fare.
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Agreed. The subforum idea is the best way I can imagine to handle the pre-DO WAMC threads. I think the traffic would ramp way up if there wasn't one massive thread for every situation. People (although a small number) have intimated this point time and time again in this thread.
 
sustentacular said:
Maybe a subforum could be created on a trial basis to see what kind of traffic it gets? I dont think the traffic on the one mega thread is entirely representative of how a subforum would fare.
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+5!

I'm honestly terrified to go into the current WAMC. And if I do I'm only looking at the last post there. I don't have the patience to go through each question just to find out if it was addressed or not.

Open a preliminary subforum as a trial and if it had the lack of traffic that you are worried about then close it. But if you see that it is more helpful than the current forum, then what would stop you?

Come on were all science people here...trial and error..everythings an experiment..
 
Skippygonenuts said:
+5!

I'm honestly terrified to go into the current WAMC. And if I do I'm only looking at the last post there. I don't have the patience to go through each question just to find out if it was addressed or not.

Open a preliminary subforum as a trial and if it had the lack of traffic that you are worried about then close it. But if you see that it is more helpful than the current forum, then what would stop you?

Come on were all science people here...trial and error..everythings an experiment..
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This. Especially the bolded.

It's way to complicated to figure out if a post already received some helpful responses or whether they were ignored.

I'm not too sure I buy this "not enough traffic" argument. The current thread is not indicative of the traffic a sub-forum may get because of all the reasons already mentioned. Far too many people with potentially helpful advice steer clear of the current thread. It's a horrible mess.
 
Why can't the Mod, just make: What are my Chances ALLOPATHIC, and What are my chances OSTEOPATHIC. if it works for a while, then great. if it doesn't then it was worth a shot and you can just erase it!
 
NextLevelDoc said:
Every completed application is carefully considered for admissions based on a variety of criteria.
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MD schools say this too.. I gues the pre-allo subforum is useless then.


Also, people are posting what are my chaces at DO school threads in the pre-allo WAMC subform - perhaps this is where all that traffic is going.
 
DrMom said:
The lack of traffic. It is not helpful to have forums that get very little use and we remove forums that do not have enough postings to justify their separation from the rest of the forums.

That said, we are still discussing this and exploring various options to provide the WAMC outlet that you are requesting.
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There is a lack of traffic, because most of us will not go anywhere near that cluster. I no longer even attempt to go to that thread specifically because of the format of cramming hundreds of individual posts into one. I am sure that I am not the only one who avoids it specifically for that reason.
 
DitchDoc73 said:
There is a lack of traffic, because most of us will not go anywhere near that cluster. I no longer even attempt to go to that thread specifically because of the format of cramming hundreds of individual posts into one. I am sure that I am not the only one who avoids it specifically for that reason.
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same. i attempted to ask a few questions last cycle and realized the next time i signed in it wouldn't be worth the effort sorting out the responses.
 
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